And, it begins...the unbelievable talent around him argument. Laying the groundwork for "it's not arod, it's the players around him."Originally Posted by Partial
If we have unbelievable talent....what do teams like the Pats, gmen, etc. have?
And, it begins...the unbelievable talent around him argument. Laying the groundwork for "it's not arod, it's the players around him."Originally Posted by Partial
If we have unbelievable talent....what do teams like the Pats, gmen, etc. have?
Not this crap again. Is this going to have to be the fourth thread we talk about this shit.Originally Posted by Partial
Let's see first is Eli Manning than Vince Young.
Grossman finished the year completing 54% of his passes, 6.7 yards/attempt, 23 TDs, and 20 interceptions. That is a 73.9 passer rating. I think stats did pretty much tell his story that year. He was below average statistically. The Bears defense and special teams were really good though.Originally Posted by Partial
Any success Arod had individually is due to exclusively to the unbelievable talent around him, but any failure the team around him had is due exclusively to Arod individually. I'm not sure what world that makes sense in, but it ain't the one the rest of the civilized world lives in.Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
And then he accuses us "homers" of not being fair and balanced.
When did Favre ever have a five game streak like this:Originally Posted by Bretsky
23/43 247 0TD 1Int 60.9 rating
20/31 137 0 1 60.8
17/30 207 1 2 61.4
18/31 187 0 2 48.7
20/40 233 1 3 45.1
Call it Homerism if you want but those numbers are it. Favre never did that as a Packer.
We glorified him for playing through injury all those years because he did it damned effectively. Last year not so much. All those years, the injury didn't affect the team record. Last year it did. His injury directly affected the Jets record and once that happened, he should have sat, and had he sucked with a broken thumb in GB and lost games with it, then we'd have been calling for him to sit.Originally Posted by Bretsky
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
They have unbelievable talent. With a good QB, the Pats went 18-1 last year and went to the Super bowl. They had slightly better talent at wideout. If they ranked #1, we're still very good and ranked in the top 5. Pats had an unreal combo of blue chip receiver and blue chip QB. This allowed them to throw the ball and dominate. Look at the #s Welker put up as a result. Why didn't he do anything close to that ever in Miami?!?Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
Blue chip receivers have made average quarterbacks look good quite often. Take a look at the Brad Johnson and Randall Cunningham led Vikes. These guys were journeymen until they had the superstar receiver, then they were pro bowlers.
Is it possible at all that Rodgers play was improved due to the phenomenal receiving corps? I certainly think that it was.
GMen faded last year when Eli was forced to win without his star wideout (who would compete with Driver for the #2 spot on our team).
Despite top 5 offensive talent around him (imo), he still only went 6-10, including two wins against the pathetic Lions. Not so hot.
Originally Posted by MJZiggy
such a load of crap, but that's what it's come to.
How do we know how it effected our record ? We had a lot of quality backups through the years, and Favre undoubtedly had his eggs due to injury.
HOW MANY pro QB's would sit themself because they don't think they can perform and it's better for the team if they sat ?
And if they did do that and the backup sucked wind they'd get fleeced
Unreal; frickin unreal
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Originally Posted by ThunderDan
So you think he should have actually benched himself ?????
About as realistic as Obama nominating a Republican to the Supreme Court
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Please see ThunderDan's post. My point is Favre never did that in GB. Maybe a bad game here and there, but he dropped almost half a season in NY. Remind me when it came out that he had that injury? Somehow I don't recall hearing a peep about it until sometime around the end of the year...
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
Almost dropped half a season? They went 9-7 and were 8-3 at one point in A) the toughest division in the NFL and B) the better conference.Originally Posted by MJZiggy
So what, he went 2-4 down the stretch when he was hurt. How the heck is that half a season?
Originally Posted by MJZiggy
The stats have nothing to do with what I'm pointing out..true leader bungo....what a load
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
If he had been performing that way in GB, what would your reaction have been? You'd have been screaming for him to sit. And a good leader would do that. If you were on medication that made you incapable of coherent speech, don't you think you'd want someone else to take over your client meetings until you were off the medication?
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
I thought the Pats missed the playoffs last year!?!Originally Posted by Partial
With C) one of the easiest schedules in NFL history.Originally Posted by Partial
I mean, Favre's terrible finish down the stretch game against:
Denver (a team that finished 29th in team defense)
San Francisco
Buffalo (who beat nobody in their division)
Seattle (a team that finished 30th in team defense)
Miami
It's not as though he was playing against great teams down the stretch. In fact, in a season where you play both the NFC and AFC Wests, winning only 9 games is kind of an embarassment since both of those divisions are terrible.
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No, I don't.Originally Posted by Bretsky
But I'm sure Mangini wanted to bench Favre but because of "The Streak" couldn't.
My point was Favre even while hurt playing for the Packers never played that poorly for that long.
ANd the bullshit continues. Again, RODGERS WASN"T THE PROBLEM. The defense was the problem. HE had one of the worst defenses the PAckers have had in years. Are you really this ignorant?Originally Posted by Partial
The AFC East was not the toughest division in football last year. Look what the mediocre Dolphins did to that division. And yes, the Dolphins were mediocre. Parcells is good but even he doesn't get that result unless he is facing a weak schedule and his division rivals get hurt.
And everyone knew Welker had that ability in Miami, but he was in a run first offense as the third receiver with dreck for a passing game and clipboard holders for QBs. Going into his FA year, everyone knew a smart passing team was going hard after Welker. No one could cover him in the slot.
But I love how Brady gets credit for being very good with a top 1 WR corp and Rodgers gets average with a top 5 receiver corp.
Number 6 scoring offense and the QB is average. Its good to see our running game get some credit. They only thing that keeps this from being an all time wrong-headed argument is Rodgers relative inexperience. Even Rick Mirer looked presentable after one year.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Originally Posted by MJZiggy
This logic is ridiculous; if a guy pulls himself out I would not want him on the roster. That is a CD. Bullshit I would be calling for a player to pull himself out; I can't believe you actually are arguing this spat.
Stupid comparison as well..........ability to play QB versus something as obvious as a speech impediment.....but with that being said....................if I could hardly speak but I still thought I would be more effective than the replacement either I'd do the job to the best of my ability or my employer would replace me.
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Originally Posted by ThunderDan
Very sensible points
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?