After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.
I certainly understand your stance and why you arrived there.
I hold that Favre has gone on the record as well as saying he had no ill feelings RE: the Green Bay Packers and it's management.
The thing RE: J. Peppers if it's true and I respect your analysis that it is a fact that Favre made such comments to J. Peppers. Allowing that I maintain that would be then mere gamesmanship. That's common in Pro sports and IMO needs no overt fan reaction in terms related to any distain for 'the fact'. To allow for distane only supports ongoing distane for Brett Favre. IMO useless and small.
a) After the Packers won the NFC Championship he clearly came out predicting a Packer win in the Super Bowl. Rumor or not that has to weigh in for Favre not feeling animosity for the Green Bay Packers.
b) That plus the statements made in the NY Jets interview may count as two if we're being fair. I'll give you one for the J. Peppers remarks in the media even thoug that may be characterized as 'throwing Favre under a bus'.
(-: That's a 2-1 for Favre and 'no animosity for the Green Bay Packers'.
I'll add this. What happened to Randy Moss when he made favorable comments about Bill Belichick and his tenure as a NE Pat? He was shoved out of Minnesota pronto after that innoscent error that wasn't in terms of the powers in Minny.
and this.... Patler. Did you want or expect that Favre was going to say to J. Peppers that "I hope that Packers defeat the Bears?" You should never have been made aware of any such comments in the first place except for Peppers throwing Favre under the bus.
The comments about Favre and in terms of a personal conversation Favre had with J. Peppers. According to Peppers. Should hold little weight. Peppers was out of line going to the media with any content of a personal and private conversation he had with Brett Favre.
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Brett Favre is finally retired. This media blip is much to do about nothing.
If Favre was going to return to the NFL he's smart enough to know he needs a solid OL. That was his greatest problem in Minny last season. His OL certainly didn't provide him the protection he required to make his reads. That plus his lack of weapons at WR went a long way towords his dramatical decline from the previous season in Minny.
GO Packers !
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
I would have expected Favre to say nothing at all about the Packer/Bear game. Why should he? They spoke only briefly. I wouldn't have expected the subject to even come up. Comments like: "Good luck in the playoffs." "Good luck the rest of the year." would have made sense, but imploring him to beat the Packers specifically showed an importance to Favre that is inconsistent with his personal protestations of holding no animosity toward the Packers.
It was hardly a personal and private conversation when it was conducted in a mass of reporters in the middle of a football field. It was certainly not as private of a conversation as those between Packer officials and Favre that were conducted behind closed doors, and which Favre had no qualms about relaying to the press even when he was asked not to.
I could swear there was a video of the Peppers/Favre encounter in which you could barely make out what Favre said (especially after Peppers explained), but I have been unable to find it now. Anyone else remember seeing it back then?
Last edited by Patler; 03-29-2011 at 05:09 AM.
I didn't find a video of this exchange but enough media outlets outside of WI reported it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-the-packers/
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/favre-...beat-packers/#
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/22/favr...t-the-packers/
Woodbuck, you're making conversation but not making sense. Don't confuse the two.
Favre's comments to Peppers should be discarded because Peppers is trying to throw him under the bus. His chosen comments to the media should be taken as fact with no questioning of sincerity. Haha. Go rub Favre's back and suck his toes. That's about all you're good for when it relates to Brett Favre.
Last edited by RashanGary; 03-29-2011 at 08:00 AM.
Now that response leaves me wondering about your 'objective' analytical skills.
The point I'm trying to make in this discussion with you Patler, and noone else here at PackerRats. Is that IMO many here including you. may be clouded in your analysis by a certain prejudice against Brett Favre. Many here hate the man. I do not place you in that category. You may be prejudiced and I hope not. Why? Because that would slant your view of Brett Favre.
I can re-call the exact moment I was sure that Fvare was guilty of the accusations against him that I was shocked at. I posted pbmax as to his view on that matter. He informed me that in his most definite view. That video was of Brett Favre.
I got that from pbmax. That was good enough for me.
Now back to this debate with you Patler:
Fair analysis of Brett Favre and last season must consider the failure to protect him. With a well functioning OL I believe he would have not gotten as banged up. He would have had better timing and some better option to role out of the pocket 'only' when necessary. Not retreat as often as he ws forced to.
I also stand on the fact that the Vikings were weak at WR and that hurt Favre. The drops early in last season were over the top. He can never be criticized for his courage Patler. He can never be criticized for the strength of his arm. His mental game is competent. He needed time for reads and WR's to go to and catch the throws that so often were right on the money and the catch blown.
I maintain that he very well could play at a high level in the NFL yet can only guess if he will. I hope he stays away from the game but he may feel a need to vindicate himself.
Favre also has a big ego. That gets him in some trouble. (-:
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** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
Funny, per your expression anyone who criticizes Favre's abilities is prejudiced and not objective. However, if you ignore the rather obvious signs of decline you think of yourself as objective. It makes no sense.
If you think Favre is anything near the thrower he was 10 years ago, pull up some old highlights of him. Watch the way he played 10 years ago or so, then came back and tell me he hasn't declined significantly.
Where I disagree Woodbuck is that I am not willing to blame the line for all of the protection problems. Favre's quickness has declined noticeably the last two seasons, much more in 2010 than in 2009. In all likelihood, that will get only worse. That leads to more pressure, more throws under duress even if he does get the throw off. His famed fastball and quick release have also declined, in my opinion. That leads to fewer completions unless he enlarges the windows he will throw into. Last year he did not, and it lead to lots of interceptions.
With Favre's ankle and hip problems, his legs will only get worse. With his thumb, elbow and shoulder problems he will not be able to deliver the ball into situations he did in the past.
This happens with all the great throwers. They get old and decline. They have a bad year, and fans think its an aberration or the fault of others. Given a chance, their hero will certainly show he can still do it. Mostly, they don't.
The big hits have seemed to take a much bigger toll on old Bert. I guess that's to be expected.