I suspect that the problem has to do with the fact that in the modern West marriage has always a foot in two worlds: it is both a religious and a civic institution. So you have defense-of-marriage conservatives fighting to save the integrity of their Christian tradition and gay-marriage proponents fighting to expand the domain of social and political recognition to include gay relationships. The simple fix would be for the State to get out of the marriage industry entirely and recognize only civil unions, which would then become the new standard for family health coverage, parental rights, inheritance and all that good stuff. And leave decisions about marriage entirely up to religious institutions. I am certain that the arguments for gay marriage would diminish immediately and be reduced to small factions of gays and lesbians trying to get their church or synagogue to change its outlook. But would the defense of marriage militants be satisfied?
That's not getting government out of marriage. That's the government renaming it and retaining all of the problems involved with government being integrally ingrained in social affairs. So, no, that would not be a simple fix. All that solves is the queers mislabeling their union, which is solely a problem created by the gay marriage militants and their propaganda apparatus.
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Leave it to some fags to get the circle jerk back together.
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Howie....how the fuck you been? Ready for some beers?
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Thank YOU. I do mean You're. . . as in..You are.... .
You 'of course' would never judge. The certain hypocrite in "YOU", SkinBasket, isn't easily disguised
Am I being judgementle or confused!
Are you going to answer for me? You don't have "a place" and that.
Try butting out of this. This is between HowardRoark and I just now...Thanks.
I project we may be able to handle any misunderstanding ourselves.
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No. I was mistaken. Shame on me if I ever went there when the posters intent is so very obvious.
I just discovered HowardRoark's post #306 and it's merely worth ignoring.
If your in a canoe in the Tallulah Gorge on the Chattooga River and you hear squeals in the woods above you. Do "YOU" put the canoe ashore and climb up the bank to investigate the squeals?
It's a worthless contribution to what this tread was intended for.
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It blows my mind how all of these "conservatives" want to keep to themselves and support individual rights - unless you're gay. Ridiculous. Hopefully with the new pope all of these catholic ass wipes realize how ridiculous the views of the church are.
The world is rapidly changing. Turns out organized religion is a massive crock of shit that only fools follow.
BLAM! Intolerance in the name of tolerance strikes again!It blows my mind how all of these "conservatives" want to keep to themselves and support individual rights - unless you're gay. Ridiculous. Hopefully with the new pope all of these catholic ass wipes realize how ridiculous the views of the church are.
The world is rapidly changing. Turns out organized religion is a massive crock of shit that only fools follow.
Also, what "individual rights" of gays are being suppressed by "conservatives?" Or do you feel that someone's sexual behavior entitles them to additional "rights?" You were kind of a vague, so it's hard to get a feel for.
"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial
I assume he was talking about marriage? It's a pretty broad brush statement so hard to say exactly. Typically Christians are conservative so I suppose one could make that leap if they choose. But as you've said many times in FYI, my Utopian ideal of no political parties makes me hate both sides of this idiotic argument.
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I'm not buying that these days. It might be true that people who identify as Christian may still skew slightly conservative, and certainly certain segments are firmly conservative due to their religious beliefs, but I don't think "Christians" are the conservative well they used to be. I would expect a pretty even political smattering across the Christian spectrum if I wasn't too lazy to look it up. Especially if you count black people, which apparently we have been forced to do by our Federal slave masters. Ishmeal also seems to forget that there are many a "devout" Catholic democrat as well, but then again, that's kind of exactly the problem with ignorant stereotyping I guess.
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Not to mention that by orders of magnitude, Christianity is growing fastest in Africa and South America.....so this yo-yo is now an anti-brown skinned person hate group.
But I suppose that doesn't fit his narraative that he has been spoon fed that it's all the idiots in the suburbs driving their Chevrolets to church every Sunday morning hating gay people.
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