^^^ For someone who cares very little you went to a lot of trouble to argue the Packers should take Ragland over a DT in round 1.
^^^ For someone who cares very little you went to a lot of trouble to argue the Packers should take Ragland over a DT in round 1.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Outside Linebackers: If Jack and Smith were healthy this would be a better draft in terms of talent in the top rounds. Jack and Smith are the elite when healthy. Now they both have significant question marks, with scouts not knowing if Smith will even play again. Without the two of them healthy this is weak draft class for outside linebackers. For the Packers, you do need to take into consideration that they draft smaller defensive ends and stand them up in their 3-4. Truthfully I hate this. It takes too long for the players to adjust and combine that with the fact that you automatically lose some athleticism on the outside when you draft a defensive end to play the outside.
Tier 1
1. Darron Lee
2. Leonard Floyd
Tier 2
Kamalei Correa
Myles Jack
Su'a Craves
Dion Jones
Joshua Perry
Kyler Fackrell
Tier 3
Jordan Jenkins
Joe Shobert
Yannick Ngakoue
Jaylon Smith
Offensive Tackle: Again this a need area for the Packers, but this is also a relatively deep talent draft for the edge blockers. I think Thompson waits until later in the draft to develop. Currently the Packers only have one 1st round draft pick on the offensive line and I can see Thompson keep with the current philosophy that they will draft linemen in the middle rounds and try to hit on guys like a Willie Beavers, Kyle Murphy or a Jerald Hawkins.
Tier 1
Laremy Tunsil
Ronnie Stanley
Jack Conklin
Taylor Decker
Jason Spriggs
Tier 2
Germain Ifedi
Le'Raven Clark
Shon Coleman
Jerald Hawkins
Tier 3
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Kyle Murphy
Alex Lewis
Joe Haeg
I like the Tiers thing. Now all you have to do is fit guys the Packers have on their roster now into the Tiers you set up. That could really determine which direction TT goes. Is Bakh Tier 1, 2 or 3? How about Joe Thomas? Boyd? Campbell? Ringo? McCray?
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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I guess that all depends on how you rank your tiers. All-Pro, Pro Bowl, Starters, part time players, back ups, fringe players....
For the draft I guess you can only grade on what you have seen. For me the tier one players are guys that could start as rookies.
TE is a good point of reference here. While Thompson did select one ILB high (Hawk) that was a no brainer top 10 pick. He doesn't often take ILB or TEs in the first two rounds.
So while he still has a major hole at ILB (dime linebacker at least unless you think Joe Thomas can do it), he filled a hole with Cook at TE.
So I doubt its TE in first two rounds for the Packers. And only slightly more likely would be ILB, mainly because of the chance Ragland is there with a first round grade at a position of need while other high graded pass rushers will be available in Round 2.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
More on Jack's knee. Meniscus is repaired and team's are OK with it. But he has a separation building cartilage and bone in his knee that will also need to be addressed later. So, as one put it in the article, the question is does he play for 4 years/1 contract or 10 years and 2?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...rns-about-knee
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I don't really care who the Packers take. My point is recognizing position depth in the draft and being able to wait or pull the trigger based on a tiered system. It's not about needing a TE or ILB. It is where you can get the best value for positions. No one can tell if if Cory Coleman is going to be better than Josh Doctson in the NFL, but you can estimate that they can compare. So you are happy with either one of those guys, but you do know that their is a drastic difference between Nick Vannett and Hunter Henry. You want to be able to close out a tier, not start the run on a new tier.
I agree with you. But each pick has an opportunity cost, even if its poor guide to decision making.
At 27, Ragland will be the only ILB with a first round grade (given what we know). Its a need in a way TE is not currently. Pass on him to take a slightly higher ranked DL and you miss out.
The Packers don't normally operate this way. But if Ragland is close to the rank of the DL at 27, then I think they take him because of your point about tiers of players available on the D line. This is all assuming that no one else of higher value is there.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
WR: So the Packers on paper have all 6 wide outs returning, but for having depth the Packers have a lot of question marks in their receiving corps. For one does Jordy Nelson come back healthy and ready to play? Can Adams turn it around? Is Janis ready to contribute week in and week out? Can Abbey stay healthy?
Tier 1
Laquon Treadwell
Corey Coleman
Josh Doctson
Tier 2
Will Fuller
Tyler Boyd
Micheal Thomas
Sterling Shepard
Pharoh Cooper
Braxton Miller
Rashard Higgins
Tier 3
Kolby Listenbee
Leonte Carroo
Kenny Lawler
Jordan Payton
Keyarris Garrett
Charone Peake
Malcom Mitchell
Tier 4
Trevor Davis
Robby Anderson
Aaron Burbridge
Daniel Brauerman
Devon Cajuste
Demarcus Robinson
Roger Lewis
Mike Thomas
How many trades does TT make in this draft? That's my question.
Does he think the team is deep enough to trade up or does he trade down at some point to pick up another pick or two or three?
There was a point (last two years?) that is seemed counterproductive. But he has quite a free agent list coming up. Wouldn't be too surprising if he ends up with more than 9.
But with a lot of talent in this draft through Round 2, this is the year to trade up cheaply, because everyone will want to go back.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
I might laugh when TT takes a WR in round one
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?