PREDICT WHAT TTT WILL DO WITH PICK #9

[texaspackerbacker]

One or two of the top four OTs will be there. That is what the pick will be.

[The Shadow]

I am thinking there is a possibiltiy of trading with the 49ers. They may want Sanchez and not want the Packers to trade with the Jets or the Broncos or anyone else who may want him.

In which case, I can see TT making that trade for a 4th rounder and still getting whatever player he was going to take anyway.

I also think the Pack will take advantage of Sanches-mania, get the player we want anyway, and pick up something for our efforts.

[The Leaper]

Personally, I think the talent in this draft starts dropping off pretty quick after the top 8-12 prospects. Trading down should only be done if we get a very good deal to do so. I don't see Sanchez on the board at #9...too many teams need a QB right now, and this draft is THIN at QB.

I'm hoping someone is there at #9 that fits our needs...we need a guy capable of being an impact player.

[bobblehead]

I think he stands pat and takes the best OT still there. If he like oher he will take him at 9, if he doesn't he will NOT trade down and take him. Either the thinks the guy can be a great LT or he doesn't. My thoughts are that he will like one player who is left at 9 more than any other and draft him. I can't swear it will be Oher or any other LT and since I have been on the LT bandwagon from the start I might end up disappointed with the pick.

[Lurker64]

If what I'm hearing from Waldo is accurate, and Green Bay has their heart set on a tackle (which is reasonable, since if things go the way TT and MM want, we won't be in "grab a LT" territory for some time, while guys like 5-tech DEs, tweener DE/OLBs, and NTs can be found in all rounds), there's a few things that could happen:

Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe will be gone. So we're looking at one of Andre Smith, Michael Oher, or Eben Britton (the three guys we purportedly had in for recent, quiet, visits).

If Oher and Smith are both there at #9, I can see Thompson trading down a few spots if he has a willing partner and trying to grab whichever one is left.

If one of Oher or Smith is gone, but the other is there, Thompson probably just takes the one that's left.

If both Oher and Smith are gone, I see Thompson trying hard to trade down, so he can pick up value and justify taking Britton in the mid 20s (alternatively, Thompson just picks BPA at that spot (Tyson Jackson?) and tries to trade back up to grab Britton, but that's unlikely.)

I'm currently of the mind that the pick at #9 will be one of: Michael Oher, Tyson Jackson, or Andre Smith. All reasonable picks, IMO.

[Fritz]

The mighty Waldo has broken down the OL's, and says Andre "Manboobs" Smith is more of a road-grading run-blocker than a pass-protecting, mobile sometimes-ZBS lineman. So maybe not him.

If TT does trade down, I would guess it would be if there is a pool of three or four guys he'd be equally happy with, and then he'd trade down three or four spots so he'd get an extra pick and still nab one. I don't think he sets his sights on one particular guy. If Iunderstand correctly, he puts players into strata - a tier of X number of guys he rates pretty much the same, then another tier, below the first, and so on. Thus he knows at any given time how far down he can go without slipping to the next tier.

I'd be please if he traded down those three or four spots and still managed to pick up a Tyson Jackson or Michael Oher. Of course, if somehow Monroe or J. Smith miraculously slip that far, well, I wouldn't be unhappy if he stayed put...

[SnakeLH2006]

I could also see, and personally would love to see TT trade back with Philly, get their 21 & 28. Don't know where that places them on the trade value chart though.

If we go by the value chart (there's little indication that teams do anymore, but anyway), #21 and #28 vs. #9 and #109 (our fourth) are only off by about 5-6 points. So it could either be smoothed out by an exchange of 7ths, or just left as is

All contingent on Philly being willing to trade, of course.

That would be awesomeness as this draft is supposedly deep overall, but looks to be lacking studs in the top 10. If they really would do that, why not? Getting a #21 and a #28 gets us in range for 2 guys who could really contribute this year without sacrificing our 2nds/3rds etc. I doubt it though, as TT likes to trade down for more 3rds and 4ths...and seems to like to hold pat with top picks.

Boy that Cleveland offer 2 years ago seemed awesome though for Quinn, but alas, TT likes to pick 'em this year, not next. BTW, anyone have any draft knowledge as far as how that turned out for Dallas as far as players/picks?

[Lurker64]

BTW, anyone have any draft knowledge as far as how that turned out for Dallas as far as players/picks?

Yes, but it's complicated.

Dallas gave up #22 in exchange for #36 in 2007 and Cleveland's 2008 first round pick, which turned out to be #22.

Dallas turned around and traded #36 (along with #87, and #159) to Philadelphia for #26.

Cleveland Acquires
#22: Brady Quinn.

Cleveland Loses
#36 in 2007 and #22 in 2008.

Dallas Acquires
#26: Anthony Spencer
#22 (2008): Felix Jones.

Dallas Loses
#22, #87, and #159

Philadelphia Acquires
#36: Kevin Kolb
#87: Stewart Bradley
#159: C.J. Gaddis

Philadelphia Loses
#26

So Cleveland Gave up a future first (with no change in position) and a current third for Brady Quinn; Dallas gave up a first, a third, and a fifth for Anthony Spencer and Felix Jones; Philadelphia gave up a first for Kevin Kolb, Stewart Bradley, and C.J. Gaddis.

I think it might be possible to say that all three teams involved in this situation lost on the exchange.

[SnakeLH2006]

BTW, anyone have any draft knowledge as far as how that turned out for Dallas as far as players/picks?

Yes, but it's complicated.

Dallas gave up #22 in exchange for #36 in 2007 and Cleveland's 2008 first round pick, which turned out to be #22.

Dallas turned around and traded #36 (along with #87, and #159) to Philadelphia for #26.

Cleveland Acquires
#22: Brady Quinn.

Cleveland Loses
#36 in 2007 and #22 in 2008.

Dallas Acquires
#26: Anthony Spencer
#22 (2008): Felix Jones.

Dallas Loses
#22, #87, and #159

Philadelphia Acquires
#36: Kevin Kolb
#87: Stewart Bradley
#159: C.J. Gaddis

Philadelphia Loses
#26

So Cleveland Gave up a future first (with no change in position) and a current third for Brady Quinn; Dallas gave up a first, a third, and a fifth for Anthony Spencer and Felix Jones; Philadelphia gave up a first for Kevin Kolb, Stewart Bradley, and C.J. Gaddis.

I think it might be possible to say that all three teams involved in this situation lost on the exchange.

Thanks for quick reply Lurker, as that is complicated, but looks at face value like Dallas got Felix Jones for not much. He really looks the player though, as Snake saw the Hard Knocks Cowboys series last summer on HBO and he looked great there, but even better in the season. Yea, the draft is all a crapshoot, as it might take years to get results (positive gains from picks) if any at all, but perhaps Dallas did well in that. Cleveland got smoked though, as Snake doubted Quinn regardless as ND (was fan as a kid) but there talent is poor now, and Quinn reeked of bust and still looks it with his lack of throwing power (51% completions last year). That is why Cleveland is so poor. Poor drafting. And hate to say it, but perhaps Dallas got better with that trade.

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