Stupid NFL Rule - End Zone

[bobblehead]

I still don't get how it can be a catch when it starts between his wrists and after he hits the ground it ends up between his hands and his chest.

My sentiments exactly. The NFL in saying it should have been a catch is basically making me feel even more like they are against us.

"We know its judgement, and the refs in the booth judged it incomplete, but the packers tried to force the all time jersey salesman into retirement, so we should have shafted them here."

[MJZiggy]

I still don't get how it can be a catch when it starts between his wrists and after he hits the ground it ends up between his hands and his chest.

My sentiments exactly. The NFL in saying it should have been a catch is basically making me feel even more like they are against us.

"We know its judgement, and the refs in the booth judged it incomplete, but the packers tried to force the all time jersey salesman into retirement, so we should have shafted them here."

Last I understood the rules, the ball's not supposed to hit the ground at all while you're catching it. That would make it a trap and this rule doubles the subjectivity of trapping...

[Iron Mike]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

If we don't believe you, there's thousands of Queens fans that continue to whine:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/105655803.html

[Tarlam!]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bb1fd0/article/conference-call-with-all-officials-will-address-recent-mistakes?module=HP_headlines

Conference call with all officials will address recent mistakes
NFL.com Wire Reports
Published: Oct. 28, 2010 at 07:52 p.m. Updated: Oct. 28, 2010 at 10:08 p.m.

Thursday on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access."

An officiating source told Glazer that the purpose of Friday's call is to give a pep talk and clean up mistakes by officials. Sources say having all the officials involved in the call is rare, if not unprecedented.

The conference call comes on the heels of two high-profile officiating decisions in Week 7.

Late in Sunday's game between the Steelers and Dolphins, Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger scrambled out of the pocket and lunged for the end zone. The ball was knocked loose right around the goal line, but the officials ruled that Roethlisberger had scored a touchdown.


A Dolphins player emerged from the ensuing end-zone pileup with the football. When the ball was determined on replay to have come out before Roethlisberger reached the goal line, Miami believed it had a touchback. But since officials initially ruled that Roethlisberger had scored a touchdown, they didn't bother to see who recovered the ball, because it technically was no longer in play.

Pittsburgh was awarded the ball on the Miami 1-yard line and went on to kick a go-ahead field goal and hold on for a 23-22 victory.

The second controversy came in the Sunday night matchup between the Vikings and Green Bay Packers, when Minnesota tight end Visanthe Shiancoe made a diving grab in the end zone and appeared to secure the ball as he rolled onto his back. Officials ruled the play a touchdown but overturned the call on review. Minnesota settled for a field goal and lost 28-24.

Vikings coach Brad Childress publicly criticized the officiating in the game, then was fined $35,000 by the NFL.

Carl Johnson, the NFL's vice president of officiating, wasn't happy about the reversal of the Shiancoe catch.

"We wish the ruling on the field would have stood as a completed catch," Johnson said on Wednesday's "NFL Total Access."

League spokesman Greg Aiello tweeted a statement later Thursday, downplaying the implied meaning of the call.

"It's a routine part of Carl Johnson's expanded communications program for officiating," he wrote. "It's a follow up to their preseason clinic. There will be another conference call near the end of the season before the playoffs. It is like team meetings."

[retailguy]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

If we don't believe you, there's thousands of Queens fans that continue to whine:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vi...105655803.html

It isn't Bretsky you should believe, but the NFL HEAD OF OFFICIATING....

We got away with one, for a change....

[mraynrand]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

Applying the 50 drunks rule, it looked like a catch. But the NFL has these rules, you see, so Cal Johnson COULD have been getting up and NOT going to the ground, but IF he WAS going to the ground, the refs would have to rule incomplete. Shianco COULD have had control, but when the ball moves in a players hands when it hits the ground a ref COULD rule that the player didn't have control. Rules and Judgments, Judgments and Rules. Gotta like the officials standing up for the Bears against the Lions ("It's GOOD when a team from Chicago does well!") but not the Packers against the Vikings (It's GOOD for ratings when Brett Favre wins - it's easier to write those intros to playoff games when it's Favre versus anyone else).

BTW, the difference was four points, and there's no guarantee the Packers wouldn't have won the game anyway.

[mmmdk]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

Applying the 50 drunks rule, it looked like a catch. But the NFL has these rules, you see, so Cal Johnson COULD have been getting up and NOT going to the ground, but IF he WAS going to the ground, the refs would have to rule incomplete. Shianco COULD have had control, but when the ball moves in a players hands when it hits the ground a ref COULD rule that the player didn't have control. Rules and Judgments, Judgments and Rules. Gotta like the officials standing up for the Bears against the Lions ("It's GOOD when a team from Chicago does well!") but not the Packers against the Vikings (It's GOOD for ratings when Brett Favre wins - it's easier to write those intros to playoff games when it's Favre versus anyone else).

BTW, the difference was four points, and there's no guarantee the Packers wouldn't have won the game anyway.

TD was a judgement call - could've been a TD but that judgement was not made.

JUDGEMENT: as in the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.

Get it?

Johnson would have liked it to have been ruled a TD

LIKED: as in nearly; closely; approximately OR corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect.

Get that?

Coulda, shoulda, woulda liked...it's all VERY weak. Even the NFL isn't making a big deal about it but will evaluate later. Pretty anemic altogether & you'd get bent over and screwed in court too.

NO TD FOR YOU [Vikings, Drunks, NFL & BF anal lovers]

This topic is only interesting here on PR 'cos it's the end of a BF pass that wasn't ruled a TD. But I slay BF trolling with my CLAYMORE.

[mraynrand]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

Applying the 50 drunks rule, it looked like a catch. But the NFL has these rules, you see, so Cal Johnson COULD have been getting up and NOT going to the ground, but IF he WAS going to the ground, the refs would have to rule incomplete. Shianco COULD have had control, but when the ball moves in a players hands when it hits the ground a ref COULD rule that the player didn't have control. Rules and Judgments, Judgments and Rules. Gotta like the officials standing up for the Bears against the Lions ("It's GOOD when a team from Chicago does well!") but not the Packers against the Vikings (It's GOOD for ratings when Brett Favre wins - it's easier to write those intros to playoff games when it's Favre versus anyone else).

BTW, the difference was four points, and there's no guarantee the Packers wouldn't have won the game anyway.

TD was a judgement call - could've been a TD but that judgement was not made.

JUDGEMENT: as in the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.

Get it?

Johnson would have liked it to have been ruled a TD

LIKED: as in nearly; closely; approximately OR corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect.

Get that?

Coulda, shoulda, woulda liked...it's all VERY weak. Even the NFL isn't making a big deal about it but will evaluate later. Pretty anemic altogether & you'd get bent over and screwed in court too.

NO TD FOR YOU [Vikings, Drunks, NFL & BF anal lovers]

This topic is only interesting here on PR 'cos it's the end of a BF pass that wasn't ruled a TD. But I slay BF trolling with my CLAYMORE.

Maybe try again when you sober up

[mmmdk]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

Applying the 50 drunks rule, it looked like a catch. But the NFL has these rules, you see, so Cal Johnson COULD have been getting up and NOT going to the ground, but IF he WAS going to the ground, the refs would have to rule incomplete. Shianco COULD have had control, but when the ball moves in a players hands when it hits the ground a ref COULD rule that the player didn't have control. Rules and Judgments, Judgments and Rules. Gotta like the officials standing up for the Bears against the Lions ("It's GOOD when a team from Chicago does well!") but not the Packers against the Vikings (It's GOOD for ratings when Brett Favre wins - it's easier to write those intros to playoff games when it's Favre versus anyone else).

BTW, the difference was four points, and there's no guarantee the Packers wouldn't have won the game anyway.

TD was a judgement call - could've been a TD but that judgement was not made.

JUDGEMENT: as in the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.

Get it?

Johnson would have liked it to have been ruled a TD

LIKED: as in nearly; closely; approximately OR corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect.

Get that?

Coulda, shoulda, woulda liked...it's all VERY weak. Even the NFL isn't making a big deal about it but will evaluate later. Pretty anemic altogether & you'd get bent over and screwed in court too.

NO TD FOR YOU [Vikings, Drunks, NFL & BF anal lovers]

This topic is only interesting here on PR 'cos it's the end of a BF pass that wasn't ruled a TD. But I slay BF trolling with my CLAYMORE.

Maybe try again when you sober up

Are you trying to be funny? I think you're a smart & good poster - so I'll let it go.

[mraynrand]

why is it so easy to scream when we are jilted but so hard to admit it when our opposition was screwed ????

Anybody see the interview with the real Head of Officiating on the NFL Network last night to hear what the NFL feels

Be happy; we screwed the pooch on this one and the VIkes were the victim

Applying the 50 drunks rule, it looked like a catch. But the NFL has these rules, you see, so Cal Johnson COULD have been getting up and NOT going to the ground, but IF he WAS going to the ground, the refs would have to rule incomplete. Shianco COULD have had control, but when the ball moves in a players hands when it hits the ground a ref COULD rule that the player didn't have control. Rules and Judgments, Judgments and Rules. Gotta like the officials standing up for the Bears against the Lions ("It's GOOD when a team from Chicago does well!") but not the Packers against the Vikings (It's GOOD for ratings when Brett Favre wins - it's easier to write those intros to playoff games when it's Favre versus anyone else).

BTW, the difference was four points, and there's no guarantee the Packers wouldn't have won the game anyway.

TD was a judgement call - could've been a TD but that judgement was not made.

JUDGEMENT: as in the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.

Get it?

Johnson would have liked it to have been ruled a TD

LIKED: as in nearly; closely; approximately OR corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect.

Get that?

Coulda, shoulda, woulda liked...it's all VERY weak. Even the NFL isn't making a big deal about it but will evaluate later. Pretty anemic altogether & you'd get bent over and screwed in court too.

NO TD FOR YOU [Vikings, Drunks, NFL & BF anal lovers]

This topic is only interesting here on PR 'cos it's the end of a BF pass that wasn't ruled a TD. But I slay BF trolling with my CLAYMORE.

Maybe try again when you sober up

Are you trying to be funny? I think you're a smart & good poster - so I'll let it go.

I just didn't understand what you wrote. Maybe I'm the one who needs to sober up...

[pbmax]

I think the entire post (nearly Woodbuckian in its length and bolding) was an expression of his belief that Referee coordinator Johnson would not have over ruled it himself, but that it was ultimately a judgment call both on the field and in the booth.

I think, though, that the indisputable visual evidence test renders this reading moot.

Back to you, Nina.

[mraynrand]

I think, though, that the indisputable visual evidence test renders this reading moot.

I'd dispute that