Packers Versus Browns Remainder of Season

[wist43]

I voted packers, but only on the hope that Rodgers plays again this year

[Pugger]

I voted packers, but only on the hope that Rodgers plays again this year

Unless this team can figure out how to be productive without him he ain't playing again this season.

[mraynrand]

Why would anything but Hundley playing better than Kizer make me think he was actually better than Kizer?

That's a weird way to put it. But you claimed Kizer is better. I see nothing to support that. I don't think either has shown their full potential, and may not anytime soon.

But consider this: Kizer was drafted to be a starter. Hundley was drafted to be a backup. That's the reality of it. Guys like Hundley aren't expected to be multiyear starters and pro bowl candidates - their expected ceiling is to manage a team while a starter is out, hopefully get more wins than losses. There's a reason Hundley was drafted in the fifth (and Kizer in the third) - they have enough warts that people don't expect them to be starters (Hundley) or start right away (Kizer). But there's no substitute for playing, and both these guys don't have the bank of experiences yet. A few guys can step in right away and be effective, most require some time. That's why guys like Moore, Hoyer, McCown stick around the league - because they can step in and run an offense while the big dog is away or hasn't been drafted yet. But no one ever thinks those guys will be the face of the team for years. Same with Hundley. If he did turn out to be pro bowl caliber starting QB material, and the successor to Rodgers it would be the biggest fuckdoggle since Tom Brady. Now they just need him to do enough right to to get more wins than losses. It looks like it may be a tall order.

[Pugger]

That's a weird way to put it. But you claimed Kizer is better. I see nothing to support that. I don't think either has shown their full potential, and may not anytime soon.

But consider this: Kizer was drafted to be a starter. Hundley was drafted to be a backup. That's the reality of it. Guys like Hundley aren't expected to be multiyear starters and pro bowl candidates - their expected ceiling is to manage a team while a starter is out, hopefully get more wins than losses. There's a reason Hundley was drafted in the fifth (and Kizer in the third) - they have enough warts that people don't expect them to be starters (Hundley) or start right away (Kizer). But there's no substitute for playing, and both these guys don't have the bank of experiences yet. A few guys can step in right away and be effective, most require some time. That's why guys like Moore, Hoyer, McCown stick around the league - because they can step in and run an offense while the big dog is away or hasn't been drafted yet. But no one ever thinks those guys will be the face of the team for years. Same with Hundley. If he did turn out to be pro bowl caliber starting QB material, and the successor to Rodgers it would be the biggest fuckdoggle since Tom Brady. Now they just need him to do enough right to to get more wins than losses. It looks like it may be a tall order.

And if he can show he can be more than a game manager to step in for the starter he isn't going to want to stick around at 1265 and be Rodgers' understudy until 2020. He's going to want to start somewhere and will go elsewhere. Rodgers' eventual replacement is probably still in high school.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If all we were after was a backup QB, why spend a 5th round pick on Hundley? We could have drafted Jay Ajayi instead who went two picks after Hundley. Strictly backup QB's seem to be a dime a dozen. I don't think Hundley is clearly better than Callahan or that other kid QB they had in camp this summer.

[ThunderDan]

If all we were after was a backup QB, why spend a 5th round pick on Hundley? We could have drafted Jay Ajayi instead who went two picks after Hundley. Strictly backup QB's seem to be a dime a dozen. I don't think Hundley is clearly better than Callahan or that other kid QB they had in camp this summer.

Because there are scouts and GMs who think Hundley could have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick. His numbers at UCLA were impressive.

I hope he plays better this week. He should have had a lot more time to get use to being the starter with the bye week.

[pbmax]

If all we were after was a backup QB, why spend a 5th round pick on Hundley? We could have drafted Jay Ajayi instead who went two picks after Hundley. Strictly backup QB's seem to be a dime a dozen. I don't think Hundley is clearly better than Callahan or that other kid QB they had in camp this summer.

Terrible backups are a dime a dozen. If you want a talent to work with, a fifth or sixth is about the lowest cost.