No Joke Thread

[Charles Woodson]

Murdering another human being is the worst crime in civilized society. Any of you that are of the Biblical faith should be answering that automatically. Even as an agnostic I hold that as the highest crime.

tyler

but that all depends on the circumstance. yes murder is bad, but it is neccesary in self defense and such

I don't want to turn this into a Biblical discussion, but murder is never right--even in self-defense. Personally, like everyone else, I would fight for my own life if it came down to having to defend my own life; I'm just suggesting that doesn't make it acceptable. What other situations would warrant murder (ie. what do you mean by "and such")?

tyler

Really quick, when i meant and such, i meant war and things of that sort

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According to the NIV version of Exodus 20:13

13 "You shall not murder.

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I agree with you that murder is not right.

But if you look up the deffention of murder, you find that:


"The unlawful killing of one human by another"

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder

Its the unlawful killing. I belive that if in self defensie, like a situation that your life was being threatened, i think that you should use any other options but if nothing else works i think that it is not wrong.

This is just how i see it.

[The Leaper]

Legally, murder typically has the connotation of intent. Killing another person unintentionally is not murder, but manslaughter. In some societies, self-defense is considered manslaughter, and not murder...because you did not truly intend to kill anyone, but were protecting your own right to survive against someone else who is trying to infringe on that right.

[Deputy Nutz]

Killing is ok. Sometimes murder is ok. It only matters what you preception is. People are just other living things unless you have decided to attach yourself to others. I have attached myself to my family and friends, their deaths would make me really upset, but hell I have worked with people one day and the next day, their gone, oh well, didn't care about them to begin with.

I have gone to school one day to have all my classmates alive, and the next day some were dead, I wasn't friends with them, they had very little impact on my life, I wasn't going to get all teary eyed over it, I thought that was a bit disrespectful, especially when others that treated these kids like dirt when they were alive, started balling their eyes out and giving statements to the press about how wonderful this young men were. What bullshit.

So killing some scum bag for molesting innocent children is really no big deal, hell I think we should line those fuckers up and take aim. Call it whatever the fuck you want, I call it taking care of the trash, the pieces of shit that make me fear for my children's safety and the safety of other children.

The sad thing is that well over 50% of all sexual assaults on children are commited by people your child knows. So talking about killing some dirt bag for touching children, the fact is your probably talking about a relative, boyfriend, friends, teacher, or a neighbor. They are not nameless faces.

[Mazzin]

Nutz couldn't agree more.

[Packers4Ever]

It's simple. Just take the child molester and remove his balls, hands, tongue and a couple of toes for extra insurance and voila! you don't have to kill him so there's no death penalty issue, he can't reoffend and if you conveniently forget the anesthetic while removing these offensive pieces, then he's summarily punished as well.

MJZ, if someone hadn't come up with this solution soon I'd have had to do

it myself. I've long since thought all it would take is a (wooden) cutting

board and a very sharp knife. Problem solved, no one taking up

space in prison or rehab or ever hurting a child again. Forget

anesthetic ?? Wellllllllll.......maybe.

[MJZiggy]

It's simple. Just take the child molester and remove his balls, hands, tongue and a couple of toes for extra insurance and voila! you don't have to kill him so there's no death penalty issue, he can't reoffend and if you conveniently forget the anesthetic while removing these offensive pieces, then he's summarily punished as well.

MJZ, if someone hadn't come up with this solution soon I'd have had to do

it myself. I've long since thought all it would take is a (wooden) cutting

board and a very sharp knife. Problem solved, no one taking up

space in prison or rehab or ever hurting a child again. Forget

anesthetic ?? Wellllllllll.......maybe.

I apologize, after rereading the solution I realize that I had forgotten that for sanitary reasons, the genital area must be waxed before the balls are removed and to make the surgical process easier on the doctors (yeah, right) the scrotum should be duly compressed. By the parents of the victim.

[the_idle_threat]

My first instinct was to answer wife abuser, and I voted accordingly. Of the three on the list that I think are the worst---wife abuse, molestation and rape---I believe ALL are heinous, but wife abuse is unique in that a pattern of abuse can go on continuously and for so long. An abusive relationship can last for decades ... where all the while the abused spouse lives in very real terror of imminent abuse. Certainly a strong argument can (and should) be made that molestation is the worst, but I believe there are enough people beating that drum. I'm certainly not saying the other crimes are okay in any way, but I think more attention should be paid to spousal abuse.

Regarding murder and self defense, if a killing is determined to be self-defense under the law, it is not murder, and is not illegal.

[Tarlam!]

Idle, interesting thoughts and it is why it was on the list. I, howver, feel, that a child has nowhere to turn, yet a spouse has had education and can indeed find support.

Still, it is a fine line. Thanks for your contribution!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I have to agree with Jack on this one. Murder is far worse than child molestation, if both were to be ranked.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Understandably, child molestation is wrong and should never be committed, and victims of such crime must live with everlasting scars, but as robots of the world, robots capable of reasoning, we can indeed cure victims of molestation through psychological therapy, much as we can cure victims of rape in a similar way.

Can we bring back life? Yes, through cloning and stuff like that, but only the Almighty can bring back an original life.

Don't take this the wrong way, I am not an advocates of child molestation. I just believe that life is precious and we should never kill. I am against the death penalty, but would not feel any sympathy toward a justly convicted cold blood murderer walking the green mile.

As a side note, unjust torture is wrong. That's why the US have to shut down the Guantanamo bay prison. Support Amnesty International.

[GrnBay007]

Idle, interesting thoughts and it is why it was on the list. I, howver, feel, that a child has nowhere to turn, yet a spouse has had education and can indeed find support.

Still, it is a fine line. Thanks for your contribution!

I voted for child molestation. Idle threat does bring up some good points concerning spouse abuse. I just wanted to respond to Tarlam's post by saying generally speaking education goes out the window in cases of spousal abuse. For any of us that have never experience spouse abuse the answers seem very clear cut on what the victim should do. It's far from clear cut for the person experiencing the cycle of violence. They may know where to go to find support but often times the fear is so great they won't ask for help, not to mention most have very little confidence and their self esteem has been shredded. I've worked with victims of domestic violence and it's very difficult to understand their thought process.

I do agree though that when an adult is the victim they generally know where to turn and that there is help available...... a child may not even be aware of that.

[the_idle_threat]

In my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, when a child comes forward with a claim of abuse, he/ receives a presumption of innocence that leads to quick investigation and assistance.

An abused spouse will often face disbelief from family members that will reinforce her humiliation and feeling of worthlessness, which can prolong the pattern of abuse. An abused spouse is effectivley a slave of her husband.

[GrnBay007]

An abused spouse will often face disbelief from family members that will reinforce her humiliation and feeling of worthlessness, which can prolong the pattern of abuse.

May be true in some cases, but most often family members are aware/suspicious long before the victim admits to the problems....if ever. They either don't want to get involved in a "family matter" or do ask questions and are met with the "I had an accident" answer to explain injuries.

An abused spouse is effectivley a slave of her husband.

Absolutely!

[the_idle_threat]

Yes, the disbelief is often willful.

People often refuse to believe what they simply do not want to believe.