Jeez, you have no optimism at all. Randall and Martinez are decent players. Spriggs isn't what I'd want, but he's still a good swing guy off the bench at least. If we can find better talent to bump them off the roster, then fine, but that would take 3-4 years of good drafting, realistically, even if you take a modest evaluation of their values as players.Originally Posted by wist43
you couldn't have just figured this out, right?
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Did you say that after Davante's second season?
Everyone was disappointed with Adams after his 2nd season... he was awful.
Difference between Adams and Spriggs is that Adams at least showed some upside in his 1st 2 years, while Spriggs has been awful every single day he's been a Packer.
wist
It takes OL longer to develop. I hate spriggs, he is awful, but he could still be a player. Many an OL the packers gave up on went on to long careers.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
That's true... I think the shock is just how bad Spriggs has been.
In college he looked like a guy with some skills and upside, but since drafting him he has been worse than terrible.
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THE CASE KEENUM CONTINUUM
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Eagles traded N. Foles to Rams for S. Bradford. Foles lost his job in St. Louis, C. Keenum takes over. Eagles draft C. Wentz and trade Bradford to Minn. Vikings sign Keenum, who replaces injured Bradford. Foles returns to Philly, replaces injured Wentz. Now, Foles vs. Keenum.
QBs DON'T MATTER!
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Matt Miller's Top 50:
1. RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
2. DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
3. OG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
4. EDGE Bradley Chubb, North Carolina State
5. QB Sam Darnold, USC
6. QB Josh Rosen, UCLA
7. QB Josh Allen, Wyoming
8. CB Denzel Ward, Ohio State
9. LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
10. LB Roquan Smith, Georgia
11. OT Connor Williams, Texas
12. CB Josh Jackson, Iowa
13. QB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
14. RB Derrius Guice, LSU
15. WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
16. S Derwin James, FS
17. RB Ronald Jones II, USC
18. LB Rashaan Evans, Alabama
19. DL Maurice Hurst, Michigan
20. EDGE Harold Landry, Boston College
21. CB Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
22. C Billy Price, Ohio State
23. OT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
24. WR Courtland Sutton, SMU
25. LB Malik Jefferson, Texas
26. DL Da'Ron Payne, Alabama
27. S Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
28. EDGE Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
29. EDGE Marcus Davenport, UTSA
30. DL Vita Vea, Washington
31. EDGE Arden Key, LSU
32. CB Carlon Davis, Auburn
33. RB Sony Michel, Georgia
34. OT Kolton Miller, UCLA
35. C James Daniels, Iowa
36. TE Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
37. DL Harrison Phillips, Stanford
38. DL Derrick Nnadi, FSU
39. OG Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
40. WR Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
41. LB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
42. WR D.J. Moore, Maryland
43. S Justin Reid, Stanford
44. TE Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
45. OG Will Hernandez, UTEP
46. CB Mike Hughes, UCF
47. CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville
48. S Kyzir White, West Virginia
49. WR James Washington, Oklahoma State
50. TE Mike Gesicki, Penn State
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
When did 'EDGE' become a thing?
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Last couple of years to describe a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 rush end. Its not perfect. Matthews is more of a edge type player than Perry, but Perry has the measurables. Perry is almost an Elephant too.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Anybody else feel Darnold is overrated? There are comparisons to Andrew Luck. I don't see it at all. I think Josh Rosen looks like the best QB, but there seem to be character concerns with him. Not really "face of the franchise" material. Lamar Jackson has longevity concerns. Mayfield is a talent, but he has off the field concerns (although his leadership has been praised) and he's short. Josh Allen has the most talent in the group, but most think he'll end up being the biggest bust. I have a feeling he's going to kill the combine, do well in his interviews, and somebody will fall in love with him. His talent might be worth the risk.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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all year i've heard by pundits that darnold is awesome, but he sucked all year. and after every game people would come out and say, but he's actually so good
i think he's very over rated, but i've been really wrong the last few years on the QB side of things
oh, and add in the fact that almost every single USC QB has been a media darling, and almost all of them have been massive flops in the NFL
jackson, seems like mike vick, but without the huge arm. its his running that makes him so good, maybe go the antwan randal el route with him and make him a WR
Isn't Rosen Mr. Inaccurate this year?
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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I don't think he's inaccurate. He just seems like a turd, and his teams didn't win much (UCLA barely went .500 with him). Physically, he reminds me of a skinnier Carson Palmer. He's the best looking QB on film.
This QB group seems a bit overrated as far as franchise QB material--although there are more decent prospects than normal. Most will get drafted too high. I didn't expect to like Mason Rudolph (thought he'd be a system QB), but the more I watch of him, the more I like.
It's a good group of RBs. Barkley is a stud. I like Sony Michel a lot.
I just started studying the WRs, and I don't like the ones at the top much. I think Ridley is head and shoulders above the rest. He's not going to wow you with his ball skills or YAC (he's more Marvin Harrison than Terrell Owens), but I love his route running and hands. Michael Gallup is a sleeper I like. He looks better on film than the guys ahead of him.
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"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...st-round-pick/
1. Denver Broncos (from CLE)
" Sam Darnold, QB, USC. If the Broncos can't land Kirk Cousins in free agency, and they're not satisfied going into the season with any of the other free agents, they'll have a problem on their hands: who starts at QB? Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch have proven to not be the answer. If they get to the draft with nothing but a low-cost stopgap in place, I can definitely see John Elway pulling the trigger on a deal to move up for his No. 1 target. Is that Darnold? Impossible to say at this point, but if it is, there seems little chance he lasts to No. 5."
NO. 14 and a Trade Up to Position 9:
9. Green Bay Packers (from SF)
Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa. " The Packers aren't typically a team that goes trading up and down the draft, but the wild card is new general manager Brian Gutekunst. While he's likely to continue the same conservative traditions after rising through the ranks in Green Bay, it's impossible to know for sure whether he'll be more open to wheeling and dealing. After spending a long time as the team's director of college scouting, expecting him to take the risk for the right prospect makes some amount of sense. Jackson could be the guy that's worth it as the top true cornerback prospect in this year's draft."
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I agree that Darnold seems to be overrated. My favorite QB in college football is Trace McSorland, dude is just a winner, but he is so short.
Rosen was getting trashed at the Senior Bowl for ridiculous coverage (a few amazing throws) by other reporters pointing out the receivers he missed.
Will be curious what the verdict is of draftniks who value accuracy.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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You're thinking of Josh Allen, the Wyoming QB. Rosen wasn't at the Senior Bowl. He was getting trashed early, but it seems like he improved throughout the week and then he was great in the game. The guy is built like Carson Wentz with identical measurables, similar mobility, even better arm strength, and lesser accuracy. He seems like a good kid. I know he has bust potential, but I'm leaning towards going against the grain and having him #1. The guy has elite size, arm strength, and mobility. In those three traits he might be the best prospect I've ever evaluated. However, the accuracy issues and unknown leadership qualities makes him not as clean of a prospect as Wentz. Ironically, both Wentz and Allen were coached by Craig Bohl. Bohl was the head coach at NDSU before moving onto Wyoming.
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"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
You are probably right.
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