http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing...me_controversy
History[edit]
The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."[8] Dietz's true heritage has been questioned by some scholars, citing a birth certificate and census records that his parents were white.[9] There is also the fact that, in 1933, the Boston Braves moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. The Washington Redskins name and logo, which is a picture of a Native American, was officially registered in 1967.
Origin and meaning[edit]
Main article: Redskin (slang)
The origin of the word "redskin" is debated. Some scholars say that it was coined by early settlers in reference to the skin tone of Native Americans, while other say it referred to the color of the body paint used by certain tribes. Smithsonian Institution senior linguist and curator emeritus Ives Goddard asserts that the actual origin of the word is benign and reflects more positive aspects of early relations between Native Americans and whites.
- Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.
There is another story that the choice of nickname was because his wife had Native ancestors. Marshall told that version for a while, but no one seems to believe it anymore.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I actually thought my post was as relevant to this thread as any other. This is driven by the PC police. Not saying they are wrong in this case, just stating the obvious.
Of the white people telling Danial Snyder what to name his football team, how many are not....the term I used in hangman.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Good God, where to start without pissing off Mad. You realize that the Native Americans LOOKED very much like Indians to the settlers. Just a smidgen more so than Africans look like Irish. I think that it shows ignorance in one sense, but not in the one you are implying.
Finally, if we want to play 6 degrees to what my ancestors did wrong, we can all be outraged by anything and everything. Now, I agree that Redskins is offensive, but Braves, Indians, Seminoles, blah blah. They are not.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
You claim this is driven by the PC police, and then you succumb to the very argument you denigrate by claiming it is offensive. Yet, after reading the previous posts, I find that the term Redskins is more benign than I believed.
This is all about politics and the race hustlers driving the discussion. Nothing more, nothing less.
No matter how many more casinos or bottles of booze you give them, there will always be a few rabble rousers that still want to make a name for themselves. Any capitalist injun, would be able to figure out a way to make money off of this rather than piss and moan between firewater benders.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The fact that it is offensive, and the reasons behind people pushing for the change are 2 entirely separate issues. To admit it is in fact offensive in no way is succumbing to the argument of who is driving it. If I owned the team I would change the name....it would have nothing to do with the idiots trying to grab headlines by pushing the issue.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I would change the name if I owned the team as well. Based on the fact that it's just a football team and the purpose of the nickname was never really intended to be all that elevating to indians. Still, Indians shouldn't push so hard to change the name because every time Washington beats Dallas - well, that's historical payback.
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