More Banjo: Conference @ Atlanta

[pbmax]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 1h1 hour ago

I certainly hope the Packer organization reads this comments section

[vince]

The offense was below average the last 10 games of 2015 and the first 6 games of 2016, averaging 20 points a game. Perhaps it felt "horrid" or "brutal" but that would be inaccurate even during the lowest of their performance run - and it didn't last 21 games either. Before that Denver game in 2015 they averaged 27 pts/game and after the Cowboys game in 2016 they averaged 32 pts/game.

I'm sure there are games against good defenses and/or where they played more poorly than normal that can be hand-picked from the full list but if teams could figure out how to consistently "beat McCarthy in the pre-game scouting department" they'd have done it long ago. There was a formula there for awhile that kept them below average, but it's pretty clear that one doesn't work anymore.

If they don't block up the intermittent blind-side blitz (and the one delayed 0 gap blitz the line flat out missed), we've seen the last couple games that works too but that's not likely to be a sustainable strategy as beveaux said.

[pbmax]

The offense was below average the last 10 games of 2015 and the first 6 games of 2016, averaging 20 points a game. Perhaps it felt "horrid" or "brutal" but that would be inaccurate even during the lowest of their performance run - and it didn't last 21 games either. Before that Denver game in 2015 they averaged 27 pts/game and after the Cowboys game in 2016 they averaged 32 pts/game.

I'm sure there are games against good defenses and/or where they played more poorly than normal that can be hand-picked from the full list but if teams could figure out how to consistently "beat McCarthy in the pre-game scouting department" they'd have done it long ago. There was a formula there for awhile that kept them below average, but it's pretty clear that one doesn't work anymore.

If they don't block up the intermittent blind-side blitz (and the one delayed 0 gap blitz the line flat out missed), we've seen the last couple games that works too but that's not likely to be a sustainable strategy as beveaux said.

The blitz thing is new and I expect they will get that fixed. Either Monty or Ripper figure it out or Lacy returns to do it. The route combo problem is just something McCarthy isn't willing to adjust long term (he did do some of this during the downturn). But since he has a strong preference to run long routes versus quick hitters versus man, they must block up the blitz or he is going to lose Rodgers. One of those hits I was half convinced wrecked his left shoulder.

The problem with ultimately not adjusting your routes is that it leave even more on the QB's plate and forces him to be otherworldly. Getting such long protection times against good defenses doesn't seem sustainable. Even if this is his preferred method of operating, I would love the see the alternative to give his QB a break.

[vince]

The blitz thing is new and I expect they will get that fixed. Either Monty or Ripper figure it out or Lacy returns to do it. The route combo problem is just something McCarthy isn't willing to adjust long term (he did do some of this during the downturn). But since he has a strong preference to run long routes versus quick hitters versus man, they must block up the blitz or he is going to lose Rodgers. One of those hits I was half convinced wrecked his left shoulder.

The problem with ultimately not adjusting your routes is that it leave even more on the QB's plate and forces him to be otherworldly. Getting such long protection times against good defenses doesn't seem sustainable. Even if this is his preferred method of operating, I would love the see the alternative to give his QB a break.

That's very fair IMO. They definitely need to block up the blitz, or Rodgers needs to see it - and he's pretty good at eluding when he does - if they're going to beat man coverage downfield like they want to do - and are once again pretty darn good at normally. Most teams just don't have enough men to man up effectively for very long against GB.

[Rutnstrut]

The blitz thing is new and I expect they will get that fixed. Either Monty or Ripper figure it out or Lacy returns to do it. The route combo problem is just something McCarthy isn't willing to adjust long term (he did do some of this during the downturn). But since he has a strong preference to run long routes versus quick hitters versus man, they must block up the blitz or he is going to lose Rodgers. One of those hits I was half convinced wrecked his left shoulder.

The problem with ultimately not adjusting your routes is that it leave even more on the QB's plate and forces him to be otherworldly. Getting such long protection times against good defenses doesn't seem sustainable. Even if this is his preferred method of operating, I would love the see the alternative to give his QB a break.

It's not going to make any sense to put a lot of work into Monty as a RB. He can not handle the pounding of an every down back. Hell most real RB's have trouble going 16 games.

[pbmax]

That's very fair IMO. They definitely need to block up the blitz, or Rodgers needs to see it - and he's pretty good at eluding when he does - if they're going to beat man coverage downfield like they want to do - and are once again pretty darn good at normally. Most teams just don't have enough men to man up effectively for very long against GB.

Part of what I thought was unfair about McGinn's Rating the Game article this week is that he says a "flu bug" shouldn't affect a player in the game. But he doesn't mention Crosby's miss or Nelson's fading contribution. Its all on Rodgers and his poor reaction (theoretically) to being sick.

Well, when your best choice on offense is have the QB perform a quick escape (like he did when he was otherworldly against the Falcons in 2010) from an unblocked blitz and then find time to locate an open receiver and complete the pass, sickness is going to drain his energy. Wouldn't have been wonderful to have 8 plays where the receiver is open quick, can hit some YAC and Rodgers just needs to set and fire. Would very much help your QB and your offense.

[pbmax]

It's not going to make any sense to put a lot of work into Monty as a RB. He can not handle the pounding of an every down back. Hell most real RB's have trouble going 16 games.

We'll see next camp, but they seem dedicated to him at RB. McCarthy has stated so explicitly.

[Rutnstrut]

We'll see next camp, but they seem dedicated to him at RB. McCarthy has stated so explicitly.

That would figure. They should be able to figure it out since he can't go a whole game without coming out for at least a little bit for something. Then again stubby and TT seem to really like softer players.

[pbmax]

Its been a while since he was a full time RB. As Patler has pointed out, he has the size. He needs to learn to pace himself and not take so many direct hits unless the payoff is worth it.

But the adjustment might happen while he spends some time unavailable. I am very much in favor of signing Lacy for what will likely be his below market value (if his market had been healthy, in-shape Lacy).

[Freak Out]

I almost forgot about this: how in the hell did they get beat so bad on those onside kick attempts? It's a blur and all I remember is Sanu getting the ball uncontested both times?

[Smidgeon]

I almost forgot about this: how in the hell did they get beat so bad on those onside kick attempts? It's a blur and all I remember is Sanu getting the ball uncontested both times?

What I read, the first one was short, the second one was long.

[red]

Yeah he second one was about 10 yards away from the recovering guys when it came down

No chance at all to recover that one

[red]

Its been a while since he was a full time RB. As Patler has pointed out, he has the size. He needs to learn to pace himself and not take so many direct hits unless the payoff is worth it.

But the adjustment might happen while he spends some time unavailable. I am very much in favor of signing Lacy for what will likely be his below market value (if his market had been healthy, in-shape Lacy).

We need to see what he looks like first, he could be 325 for all we know

[vince]

Part of what I thought was unfair about McGinn's Rating the Game article this week is that he says a "flu bug" shouldn't affect a player in the game. But he doesn't mention Crosby's miss or Nelson's fading contribution. Its all on Rodgers and his poor reaction (theoretically) to being sick.

Well, when your best choice on offense is have the QB perform a quick escape (like he did when he was otherworldly against the Falcons in 2010) from an unblocked blitz and then find time to locate an open receiver and complete the pass, sickness is going to drain his energy. Wouldn't have been wonderful to have 8 plays where the receiver is open quick, can hit some YAC and Rodgers just needs to set and fire. Would very much help your QB and your offense.

I honestly don't think it would have mattered one iota, nor do I think the flu bug was an issue for Rodgers. He didn't run out of gas. He ran out of execution on a few key early plays and he ran out of defense.

I saw Jordy wincing in pain as the game progressed into the 2nd half. I'd say it was his ribs that took him out of the game and not the flu. Crosby missed a 41-yarder on the first series. It turned out to be a big miss. Who knows what it was attributable to but it's far from a slam dunk that it was due to the flu bug earlier in the week. It could have been but it's anything but certain. I'd even say it's unlikely to have been the flu from earlier in the week.

[call_me_ishmael]

Has MM had the season ending press conference yet? I haven't heard it if so. Seems like it's late this year. Gotta wonder if that means some changes are coming - though I would have thought that would have leaked by now.

[Joemailman]

Has MM had the season ending press conference yet? I haven't heard it if so. Seems like it's late this year. Gotta wonder if that means some changes are coming - though I would have thought that would have leaked by now.

I was wondering the same thing. Last year it was Jan. 18, 2 days after losing to Arizona. Either something's up, or he's just decided to do all his exit interviews before the PC.

My guess he's considering coaching changes, and doesn't want to have to answer questions about it until he's made a decision.

[Bretsky]

Has MM had the season ending press conference yet? I haven't heard it if so. Seems like it's late this year. Gotta wonder if that means some changes are coming - though I would have thought that would have leaked by now.

You are kidding right ?

EVERY YEAR MM's end of the year presser is the same theme. We are evaluating and breaking the tape down and going through the process and have no news at this point.

Expect that tomorrow

[Fritz]

I honestly don't think it would have mattered one iota, nor do I think the flu bug was an issue for Rodgers. He didn't run out of gas. He ran out of execution on a few key early plays and he ran out of defense.

I saw Jordy wincing in pain as the game progressed into the 2nd half. I'd say it was his ribs that took him out of the game and not the flu. Crosby missed a 41-yarder on the first series. It turned out to be a big miss. Who knows what it was attributable to but it's far from a slam dunk that it was due to the flu bug earlier in the week. It could have been but it's anything but certain. I'd even say it's unlikely to have been the flu from earlier in the week.

I don't understand you two madly debating the offense when clearly the defense sucked so hard and so deeply for so many games.

[pbmax]

I don't understand you two madly debating the offense when clearly the defense sucked so hard and so deeply for so many games.

Simple. Of the two questions, sussing out problems on O is easier because failures of talent are fewer and father between.

I have no idea on defense. With many of the same parts, that defense played very well in 2014 and at the end of 2015 and at the beginning of 2016. Two of those streaks were without Raji. They also played some of the worst Defensive football I have ever seen during those times.

At this point I can't even begin to fathom how much injuries played a role.

[vince]

I don't understand you two madly debating the offense when clearly the defense sucked so hard and so deeply for so many games.

Not sure how mad we are but that would be my point as well.