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[Maxie the Taxi]

I just hope Pettine doesn't simplify things too much. The scheming of Capers - which may or may not have been too complicated - probably was the only thing keeping our D from being even worse in the past, given the overall mediocrity of talent. I hope talent is good enough now to justify the simplifying, but even optimist that I am, I wouldn't bet on it.

Time will tell. Some of us have been calling for a KISS system for quite a while. Pettine's KILL system sounds like the answer. I think you've always overestimated Capers and his "scheming." First of all, if a player fails in Capers' scheme, is it lack of talent or lack of knowledge of the scheme? If a "scheme" fails, is it because the players didn't execute properly or because the scheme was old and tired? When you read stories about opposing QB's knowing which Packers were going to blitz, you have to suspect that maybe Capers' and his schemes were old and tired. Like I said, time will tell. I'm expecting the Packers D to be top 10 this year.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, and I bet those people correlated very well with the Capers haters and the defenders of Ted Thompson. I remember the bad ol' days of plain vanilla D, which handicapped the Packers even when they had good D talent and really messed things up when we did not. I'm not saying Pettine will go back to that, but my take on it is he will (hopefully) have just as good scheming as Capers combined with better teaching so as to eliminate the confusion. If Capers' blitz schemes were all that predictable, you'd think opponents woulda just shut up about it instead of telling the world.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah, and I bet those people correlated very well with the Capers haters and the defenders of Ted Thompson. I remember the bad ol' days of plain vanilla D, which handicapped the Packers even when they had good D talent and really messed things up when we did not. I'm not saying Pettine will go back to that, but my take on it is he will (hopefully) have just as good scheming as Capers combined with better teaching so as to eliminate the confusion. If Capers' blitz schemes were all that predictable, you'd think opponents woulda just shut up about it instead of telling the world.

The world already knew.

[pbmax]

I think both the complexity and the varying level of talent are major contributors to the problems of the last few years.

There is no reason to have communication breakdowns as often as they have them. Everyone and their beat writer brother is talking themselves into circles about whether it was young players last year that caused the confusion (both Randall and seemingly Martinez all but said Jones was unreliable) or the defensive structure.

But the confusion was evident going back to the much earlier days of Tramontana and Charles. So young players (a problem if you work under Ted) only explain part of the problem.

That is inexcusable.

More in question, to me, is Tramontana's claim last week that Capers system was outdated. I believe it if Tramon meant that adapting the baseline Capers' defense to modern offenses meant almost unending adjustments. Much less sure of he means the defense can't work. Its not rocket science to determine how you are getting beat. But rebuilding your defense to eliminate the obvious complexity and shortcomings has defeated great men before.

The base 3-4 that worked so well in 09 and 10 had a monster front (Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Kampman, Jolly, Green, and I am sure I am omitting a couple). Without Jolly and Green, the duo of Pickett and Raji got less and less effective especially, it seemed, when they switched to the over front with Raji as a 3 tech (sometimes a 5). This was also the time at which they switched to a nickel and the majority time base defense.

[gbgary]

mychal kendricks signs with cle.

[mraynrand]

I think you have to keep it short because some people’s attention spans are

[Maxie the Taxi]

The base 3-4 that worked so well in 09 and 10 had a monster front (Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Kampman, Jolly, Green, and I am sure I am omitting a couple). Without Jolly and Green, the duo of Pickett and Raji got less and less effective especially, it seemed, when they switched to the over front with Raji as a 3 tech (sometimes a 5). This was also the time at which they switched to a nickel and the majority time base defense.

If Adams comes around, Clark steps up, Wilkerson has some of his old self left and one of the rookies (Sheehy?) turns into something, this group could rival that Pickett, Raji group.

[Joemailman]

If Adams comes around, Clark steps up, Wilkerson has some of his old self left and one of the rookies (Sheehy?) turns into something, this group could rival that Pickett, Raji group.

Don't forget that touchdown machine, Ol' Alligator Arms Dean Lowry.

[pbmax]

If Adams comes around, Clark steps up, Wilkerson has some of his old self left and one of the rookies (Sheehy?) turns into something, this group could rival that Pickett, Raji group.

The weird part is that they were run dominant for 2 years and pass rush was OK. The 2-4-5 nickel emphasized pass rush from people other than DL and it worked for a while, but the run D fell part. Then they ran out of edge rushers. I don't think there was a Top 10 D that could have been constructed out of the personnel from the '12-'13 years. Still unsure why the '11 defense fell apart completely.

Still doesn't excuse communication issues though.

[run pMc]

Don't forget that touchdown machine, Ol' Alligator Arms Dean Lowry.

LOL watching that play. Winston reminds me of Hundley there for some reason. As for Lowry, he got beat pretty good on the play and was lucky. A delayed blitz by Ryan and a nasty spin by Clark set that up on a plate for him.

Clark could really have a good year -- he's a young and ascending player IMO. Seems like Pettine is going to lean on the DL to provide pressure more, so maybe the OLB depth is less of an issue.
Really curious about Adams. They liked him enough to spend a R3 pick on him and seems like he's a good athlete for his size...but he was hurt/invisible last year so maybe that's a redshirt for him. They'll need him to show up this year.

[run pMc]

I agree on the communication issues -- they shouldn't happen. I think some of those guys are better at making checks and calls on the fly -- it seemed Burnett was better than HaHa, for example.
Charlie Peprah could get things done back there -- he was smart and had some experience. M.D. Jennings or Jerron McMillian were not the answer back in the day.

I got the impression the safeties are making the calls in the secondary, not the CBs. I recall seeing some issues with people getting lined up or covering the right person.
I'm not overly surprised Jones had issues last year as a rookie trying to learn S and LB while drawing flags as a gunner. Thank goodness they finally pulled him from ST, but he'll have a lot to prove this year.

[woodbuck27]

Time will tell. Some of us have been calling for a KISS system for quite a while. Pettine's KILL system sounds like the answer. I think you've always overestimated Capers and his "scheming." First of all, if a player fails in Capers' scheme, is it lack of talent or lack of knowledge of the scheme? If a "scheme" fails, is it because the players didn't execute properly or because the scheme was old and tired? When you read stories about opposing QB's knowing which Packers were going to blitz, you have to suspect that maybe Capers' and his schemes were old and tired. Like I said, time will tell. I'm expecting the Packers D to be top 10 this year.

Yes we need to see OPPONENTS PLAY Green Bay with 'their eyes wide open'; bring back the mauler hard tackling 'D' we used to see and not the head spinning what should I do pathetic 'D' we've seen for the past six Seasons.

We're now aware that once a star defender leaves Green Bay he excels in a better Defensive System Defensive backs the went into the AFC and Buffalo and Safety Micah Hyde and The LA Chargers and CB Casey Hayward.

Should the blame be with the GM Ted Thompson or the DC Dom Capers and his Defensive Backfield Coaches or the man that retained DC Dom Capers far too long and (still retained some of the defensive coaches going into the 2018 Season; or Head Coach Mike McCarthy.

Mike McCarthy needs his comfort Zone. We're still seeing that status quo exists today with his hires and the Packers Coaching Staff. We know he blamed TT for not giving him the talent he needed to make a bigger impact and be a certain Super Bowl contender by comments he's made after the completion of the 2017 Season. We saw Packers HC Mike McCarthy Fire arguably the best Position Coaches we had in DL Coach Mike Trgovac ( I think he went to the Oakland Raiders) and **come on...Scott McCurley – Assistant Linebackers Coach who Coached an NFL leading tackler LBer Blake Martinez and was with the Packers in his Coaching Career for a dozen Seasons .

** Subsequently the Packers brought back Scott McCurley

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Green-Bay...rley-113937717

Report: Packers bring back assistant coach Scott McCurley

By: BRIAN JONES Jan 19, 1:52 PM

It's stuff like this that makes me happy that MM is reporting directly to the Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy. I would keep MM on a very short leash. He's certainly erratic. Without Aaron Rodgers he's be tending Bar somewhere in Greater Pittsburgh and wringing about 300 lbs and charming customers with all his Coaching exploits in the NFL.

Ghessh but MM is and will remain as Packer Head Coach absolutely THE WEAKEST LINK.

Count on it !

[Joemailman]

Julian Edelman getting 4 game suspension for PED's. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...ame-suspension

[The Shadow]

The Packers defense will have a Pettine patina to it.

[pbmax]

Julian Edelman getting 4 game suspension for PED's. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...ame-suspension

Tom Brady is a drug dealer!

TB12!

[denverYooper]

Tom Brady is a drug dealer!

TB12!

I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about this and how legendary it would be if the TB12 system were tied to PEDs.

[pbmax]

I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about this and how legendary it would be if the TB12 system were tied to PEDs.

You can't play past 40 and not have a plan, of course.

That health guru of his (Alex Guerrero) that is involved with TB12 has to be near the top of shakiest people to hang on to a player since Paul Hornung was playing and hanging out in casinos.

The cynic in me has been turned into a hopeful 8 year old hoping he gets indicted for something so I can see pictures of the Grit Room in a court filing: https://www.mensjournal.com/health-f...ainer-w479755/

Its not a healthy way to live.

[gbgary]

You can't play past 40 and not have a plan, of course.

That health guru of his (Alex Guerrero) that is involved with TB12 has to be near the top of shakiest people to hang on to a player since Paul Hornung was playing and hanging out in casinos.

The cynic in me has been turned into a hopeful 8 year old hoping he gets indicted for something so I can see pictures of the Grit Room in a court filing: https://www.mensjournal.com/health-f...ainer-w479755/

Its not a healthy way to live.

interesting article. "the inflammation-causing axis of evil: peppers, mushrooms, and tomatoes." geesh...i put salsa on everything.

[pbmax]

interesting article. "the inflammation-causing axis of evil: peppers, mushrooms, and tomatoes." geesh...i put salsa on everything.

I will say this: I know people with auto-immune diseases that do much better avoiding wheat, tomatoes and dairy in some cases.

My suspicion is that underlying these cases is a disease itself (celiac, lupus, OA, RA) or specific traits (carrying one of the genes for a disease that is not fully expressed). So the advice is probably not applicable to all (or even most) but can help specific groups. Buts its a common phenomenon that people reading and advocating this stuff ignore the population its speaking about.

[wthigoot]

If Adams comes around, Clark steps up, Wilkerson has some of his old self left and one of the rookies (Sheehy?) turns into something, this group could rival that Pickett, Raji group.

If Clark steps up and Adams comes around, the D-Line group could be really good.
If Adams steps up and Clark comes around, the WR group could be really good.