JS ARTICLE "WITH SB IN SIGHT< RODGERS DOES NOT DELIVER

[woodbuck27]

But is this really the worst defeat in Packer history or does it just seem this way because it so recent and we are still in mourning? Do you believe this loss will prevent Rodgers from the HOF? Do you think he even belongs with what he has accomplished thus far if he were to retire today seeing his record in the post season isn't all that stellar outside of 2010? These are not pertinent questions at all. I'm just curious what the consensus is with everyone here.

Pugger you won't get jumped on here because too many see it as you do. The trouble is you cannot will things away. It is exactly what it is.

This has been reported:

The Green Bay Packers suffered the greatest collapse in the second half, in NFC Championship history last Sunday in Seattle.

If you can disprove that please come back to us with the proof.



** "Do you believe this loss will prevent Rodgers from the HOF?" Pugger

I don't believe this loss is a defining event that will necessarily cause Aaron Rodgers from being legitimately in the conversation as a future NFL HOF candidate.



** " Do you think he even belongs with what he has accomplished thus far if he were to retire today seeing his record in the post season isn't all that stellar outside of 2010? " Pugger

Aaron Rodgers and retiring today isn't realistic as a topic of discussion. His contract and a chance for redemption after this ugly loss is all that Aaron Rodgers needs to come back next season.

As his playoff record stands at present, Aaron Rodgers needs to demonstrate more accomplishment to make the NFL HOF.



** " These are not pertinent questions at all. " Pugger

Excuse me but if the questions aren't pertinent why ask them in your post?

[pbmax]

This has been reported:

The Green Bay Packers suffered the greatest collapse in the second half, in NFC Championship history last Sunday in Seattle.

If you can disprove that please come back to us with the proof.

The worst defeat in Green Bay Packer history

These are not the same things. One is a number for one set of games that has existed for precisely 46 years and 46 games (NFC Championship).

The other is the subjective measure of the worst outcome in the entire history of the Green Bay Packers franchise. All 1339 games.

That you think the worst defeat in the history has been reported as *FACT* by the NFC Championship factoid is just muddled thinking.


EDIT: My typing was middled.

[hoosier]

That you think the worst defeat in the history has been reported as *FACT* by the NFC Championship factoid is just middled thinking.

Middled thinking, I like that. It conjures up the image of a squirrel in the middle of the road facing oncoming traffic, trying to go both ways at the same time. Fortuitous typo.

[woodbuck27]

These are not the same things. One is a number for one set of games that has existed for precisely 46 years and 46 games (NFC Championship).

The other is the subjective measure of the worst outcome in the entire history of the Green Bay Packers franchise. All 1339 games.

That you think the worst defeat in the history has been reported as *FACT* by the NFC Championship factoid is just muddled thinking.


EDIT: My typing was middled.

Originally Posted by woodbuck27

" The worst defeat in Green Bay Packer history" woodbuck27

I withdraw that remark as it would be a mere opinion.


As to the rest of it:

Last Sunday It was reported that the Green Bay Packers suffered the worst comeback in NFC Championship history.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...yoff-loss-ever

The above says that 12 of 17 Packerrats feel last Sundays collapse in Seattle was the worst playoff loss of 8 prominent losses in the Packers more recent history.

I suffered through the Packers history following Super Bowls I and II. I'm certainly well aware of many poor performances before the team won another Super Bowl or Super Bowl XXXI. That was almost 3 decades of disappointment.

[pbmax]

Originally Posted by woodbuck27

" The worst defeat in Green Bay Packer history" woodbuck27

I withdraw that remark as it would be a mere opinion.


As to the rest of it:

Last Sunday It was reported that the Green Bay Packers suffered the worst comeback in NFC Championship history.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...yoff-loss-ever

The above says that 12 of 17 Packerrats feel last Sundays collapse in Seattle was the worst playoff loss of 8 prominent losses in the Packers more recent history.

I suffered through the Packers history following Super Bowls I and II. I'm certainly well aware of many poor performances before the team won another Super Bowl or Super Bowl XXXI. That was almost 3 decades of disappointment.

45 years of fan memories is impressive. But it also skips the 45 years before that. And there has been somewhere between 42 and 46 NFC Championship games. Really small sample size.

As for the 12 of 17, a survey immediately after the game is a terrible way to put a loss into perspective.

But, in terms of the article, the rank of terribleness in this loss is immaterial to the main point. Rodgers poor play is indicative of several things. Its not indicative that he needs to be an even bigger part of the team.

[mraynrand]

It's hard to see how the loss can be blamed significantly on Rodgers. Let's review. Packers are up by 12 and McCarthy calls two runs and pass to Q. Runs go nowhere and q drops a defensed pass. Rodgers doesn't see the ball again until the packers are down by three with about a minute left. Rodgers just leads them to a tying FG to force OT and never sees the ball again.

Could Rodgers have played better to put Seattle away earlier? I suppose, but many of the play calls were taken out of his hand - many red zone runs and no fourth down attempts. Plus, he was injured.

Because he's the QB, he'll shoulder more blame, but an objective analysis of the game shows he only contributed in part to the loss, and probably a lot less than poor defense and STs in the last 5 minutes and OT, and a lot less than play calling choices.

Generally, I think a game like this is more of a Rorschach test for fans. The more emotive fans will generally heap blame on Rodgers because they really don't understand football and/or are of very low mental wattage.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Packers are up by 12 and McCarthy calls two runs and pass to Q. Runs go nowhere and q drops a defensed pass. Rodgers doesn't see the ball again until the packers are down by three with about a minute left. Rodgers just leads them to a tying FG to force OT and never sees the ball again.

+1

[Pugger]

Pugger you won't get jumped on here because too many see it as you do. The trouble is you cannot will things away. It is exactly what it is.

This has been reported:

The Green Bay Packers suffered the greatest collapse in the second half, in NFC Championship history last Sunday in Seattle.

If you can disprove that please come back to us with the proof.



** "Do you believe this loss will prevent Rodgers from the HOF?" Pugger

I don't believe this loss is a defining event that will necessarily cause Aaron Rodgers from being legitimately in the conversation as a future NFL HOF candidate.



** " Do you think he even belongs with what he has accomplished thus far if he were to retire today seeing his record in the post season isn't all that stellar outside of 2010? " Pugger

Aaron Rodgers and retiring today isn't realistic as a topic of discussion. His contract and a chance for redemption after this ugly loss is all that Aaron Rodgers needs to come back next season.

As his playoff record stands at present, Aaron Rodgers needs to demonstrate more accomplishment to make the NFL HOF.



** " These are not pertinent questions at all. " Pugger

Excuse me but if the questions aren't pertinent why ask them in your post?

It may have been the biggest collapse in NFCC history but was it the worst in team history? I'd say December 7, 1980. The Chicago Bears beat Green Bay 61 - 7 was worse.

Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF?

Perhaps pertinent was the wrong adjective. I guess I meant I wasn't being cheeky asking these questions.

[woodbuck27]

It may have been the biggest collapse in NFCC history but was it the worst in team history? I'd say December 7, 1980. The Chicago Bears beat Green Bay 61 - 7 was worse.

Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF?

Perhaps pertinent was the wrong adjective. I guess I meant I wasn't being cheeky asking these questions.

I'm not going to research 'the worst loss' in Green Bay Packers history. As I've already posted. Last Sundays collapse in Seattle wasn't the worst loss for the Packers; yet the worst defense of a solid lead in NFC Championship history since records have been kept on that.


" Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF? " Pugger

You don't get in the HOF on a sympathy vote or for quitting the game early. You get in the NFL HOF because your resume shouts HOF.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't accomplished enough to get into the NFL HOF. Again that's an opinion which is moot as he will continue as the Green Bay Packers QB.

[Pugger]

I'm not going to research 'the worst loss' in Green Bay Packers history. As I've already posted. Last Sundays collapse in Seattle wasn't the worst loss for the Packers; yet the worst defense of a solid lead in NFC Championship history since records have been kept on that.


" Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF? " Pugger

You don't get in the HOF on a sympathy vote or for quitting the game early. You get in the NFL HOF because your resume shouts HOF.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't accomplished enough to get into the NFL HOF. Again that's an opinion which is moot as he will continue as the Green Bay Packers QB.

What in the hell are you talking about? When did Rodgers quit? I'm talking about the off chance he is forced to retire tomorrow because of injury. Good lord Woody. Aaron has said he'd love to play until he's 40 if he could.

He has the best regular season QB rating in NFL history, has the best INT to TD ratio, is a SB champ and SB MVP and will be a 2 time league MVP. IMO that is plenty to get him into the HOF should his career end today.

[woodbuck27]

What in the hell are you talking about? When did Rodgers quit? I'm talking about the off chance he is forced to retire tomorrow because of injury. Good lord Woody. Aaron has said he'd love to play until he's 40 if he could.

He has the best regular season QB rating in NFL history, has the best INT to TD ratio, is a SB champ and SB MVP and will be a 2 time league MVP. IMO that is plenty to get him into the HOF should his career end today.

Your passion for Aaron Rodgers is noted. If your so confident why are you cursing?

[Pugger]

Your passion for Aaron Rodgers is noted. If your so confident why are you cursing?

I guess I curse here just to fit in with the rest.

[MadtownPacker]

Your passion for Aaron Rodgers is noted. If your so confident why are you cursing?

Don't start this bullshit Woody. Talk, fight, whatever the fuck you want but don't for one second think you run shit here in any way, shape, or form. Pug can cuss if she wants. Are we clear?

[woodbuck27]

Don't start this bullshit Woody. Talk, fight, whatever the fuck you want but don't for one second think you run shit here in any way, shape, or form. Pug can cuss if she wants. Are we clear?

I don't care if Pugger curses Mad.

I'm not at all sure what you mean by 'run shit here'?

Did I really break some rule here with that post to Pugger? If so what rule was that?

That was merely a joke (a little dig) nothing more.

[mraynrand]

Don't start this bullshit Woody. Talk, fight, whatever the fuck you want but don't for one second think you run shit here in any way, shape, or form. Pug can cuss if she wants. Are we clear?

seemed like a reasonable question to me; he wasn't telling her not to cuss.