Official 2008 NFL Draft thread Day 2

[cpk1994]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

I know there are detractors, but he'd be injury insurance. We are a hit or two away from the super unknown. Culpepper is not going to wet his pants under center or dropping back and if he's all the way back and healthy, actually might make some good throws.Yeah, if he can hold on to the ball.

[digitaldean]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

[Rastak]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

I know there are detractors, but he'd be injury insurance. We are a hit or two away from the super unknown. Culpepper is not going to wet his pants under center or dropping back and if he's all the way back and healthy, actually might make some good throws.


His problem is his crappy decisions. His speed bailed him out quite a bit but when he lost that he became extremely average.

[Rastak]

Bears take TE Davis (finally off the board):


Strengths: Has adequate foot speed and can get a clean release when linebackers or ends try to jam him. Doesn't have great explosiveness but changes directions well and can get open against man coverage. Appears to read defenses fairly well and can locate soft spot when sees zone. Has the wide frame to shield defenders from the ball, is tall enough to compete for jump balls and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target. Has good top-end speed, turns head to locate the ball without slowing down and can work the seam. Inconsistent in this area but gets adequate hand placement, plays with a wide base and flashes the ability to sustain blocks. Takes adequate angles to blocks, shows good body control in space and can get into position at the second level. Keeps head up and can pick up the blitz when asked to help out in pass protection. Has experience covering kicks and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and rarely drives defenders off the ball. Footwork is inconsistent, rounds off some cuts off and is an inconsistent route runner at this point. Lacks ideal instincts and doesn't always work back to the quarterback when the protection starts to break down. Arraigned on misdemeanor assault charges in October of 2006, Michigan State suspended from the team for four games and character is a concern.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Michigan State (2004-06), Davis appeared in 30 games (10 starts) and recorded 28 catches for 276 yards (9.9 average) and three touchdowns. As a senior, he grabbed 28 receptions for 475 yards and five touchdowns (plus five rushing attempts for 39 yards) in 13 games. He was suspended for four games in 2006 following an off-campus incident in which he was charged with misdemeanor assault. Davis isn't a fundamentally sound drive blocker or route runner at this point but he has the skill set to develop into a quality starter at the NFL level. He emerged as a viable red zone target during his senior season, he can make the occasional downfield catch and he has the frame to develop into an effective in-line blocker. Keeping all of that in mind, Davis projects as a late-fourth or early-fifth round pick.

[GrnBay007]

Culpepper is not going to wet his pants under center

:lol: :lol:

[Badgerinmaine]

SI.com on Giacomini:
BIOGRAPHY: Former tight end who moved into the starting lineup at tackle last season.

POSITIVES: King-sized blocker with terrific upside. Plays with a good degree of quickness, strong at the point, and holds his ground. Effectively fights with his hands, keeps his feet moving, and flashes the ability to slide out laterally.

NEGATIVES: Haphazard in his movements and must improve his blocking balance. Does not get much movement as a run-blocker and leans on opponents.

ANALYSIS: Giacomini is a hard-working player who showed great improvement last season. He still needs work on his game, yet he is a solid middle-round pick who could develop into a starter two years down the road.

[Carolina_Packer]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Risk/Reward both ways. We are on risky ground. He's undervalued because of two sub-par seasons after an injury re-hab. He hasn't forgotten everything he learned about being a QB. If he's physically able to go and compete, why not have that insurance policy. Are there a lot of better options? Byron Leftwich? Tim Rattay? Nall?

[ND72]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Brohm should be the #3 QB this season. We should be looking to get a vetran QB to backup Rodgers, and let Brohm sit and watch to learn. Give him a clipboad and a head set.

[Rastak]

Jax takes Trae Williams:


Strengths: Uses hands fairly well, is physical and makes it difficult to get a clean release when lined up close to the line of scrimmage. Opens hips well and shows good top-end speed when tracking the ball downfield. Gets knee bend in backpedal, closes well is an adequate open field tackler that generally wraps up upon contact. Expected to line up at running back or receiver when enrolled at South Florida, catches the ball well and is a playmaker in coverage. Can line up on the outside or over the slot receiver and is somewhat versatile. Returned punts at the high school level, can return kickoffs, blocked a punt last year, has experience covering kicks and should contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Avoids blockers rather than stacking them up, ducks head too much and isn't great in run support. Though rarely bites on play action, rarely fills hard when reads run. Lacks elite size and may not be as effective jamming receivers at the NFL level. Lacks ideal awareness and doesn't always get head turned around in time to locate passes thrown over shoulder. Vulnerable to double moves and lacks the second gear to consistently recover when gets caught out of position.

Overall: Williams arrived at South Florida in 2003 as a running back / wide receiver and was redshirted. He was them moved to cornerback where he appeared in 36 contests starting 32 of them and posting 110 total tackles, 0.5 tackles for loss, 10 interceptions, and 12 pass breakups during his first three seasons (2004-'06). Williams also returned 15 kickoffs for 300 yards (20 average) from 2004-'06. Williams has the athletic ability, burst and ball skills to develop into an adequate sub-package corner and a valuable special teams' contributor. However, he doesn't defend the run well and he's vulnerable to getting beat deep when left on an island.

[Rastak]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Brohm should be the #3 QB this season. We should be looking to get a vetran QB to backup Rodgers, and let Brohm sit and watch to learn. Give him a clipboad and a head set.


The only way to go.

[oregonpackfan]

Rams take G Schuening after trading up:





Overall: Schuening arrived at Oregon State in 2003 and redshirted the season. Over the next four years (2004-06), he played and started in 50 consecutive games, a school record. Because of injuries, he started the Ducks' last four games at right tackle.

. That's why we think Schuening is worth the risk as early as Round 3.

This reviewer is correct in that Schuening played for Oregon State but then he says Schuening started the "Ducks'" last 4 games at RT. Oregon State uses the nickname "Beavers." The "Ducks" are the nickname for Oregon.

[digitaldean]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Risk/Reward both ways. We are on risky ground. He's undervalued because of two sub-par seasons after an injury re-hab. He hasn't forgotten everything he learned about being a QB. If he's physically able to go and compete, why not have that insurance policy. Are there a lot of better options? Byron Leftwich? Tim Rattay? Nall?

No I'd say he's the best in the proverbial barrel of rotten apples. Leftwich can have his release timed with a sundial. Rattay couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if he was standing 10 yards from it. Nall is a non-factor.

[Lurker64]

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Brohm was already the #3 when he was drafted, we just didn't have a #2. Since our starter has very little experience, Rodgers is almost certainly going to get all the reps with the first team guys in practice. So Brohm isn't going to get many reps this year, because Rodgers needs them and this is not a competition yet. After a year, Rodgers will have a ton more experience than he does now and McCarthy can give more reps to Brohm, so he can become a #2.

But as pro-ready as he is, he wasn't going to be the #2 this year.

Now who wants to contribute to the "Buy Rastak a Green and Gold Culpepper Jersey" fund?

[Badgerinmaine]

This reviewer is correct in that Schuening played for Oregon State but then he says Schuening started the "Ducks'" last 4 games at RT. Oregon State uses the nickname "Beavers." The "Ducks" are the nickname for Oregon.

Oh, after a few beers, all those semi-aquatic animals start looking alike :alc:

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What do you guys think of the draft so faR?

[Rastak]

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Brohm was already the #3 when he was drafted, we just didn't have a #2. Since our starter has very little experience, Rodgers is almost certainly going to get all the reps with the first team guys in practice. So Brohm isn't going to get many reps this year, because Rodgers needs them and this is not a competition yet. After a year, Rodgers will have a ton more experience than he does now and McCarthy can give more reps to Brohm, so he can become a #2.

But as pro-ready as he is, he wasn't going to be the #2 this year.

Now who wants to contribute to the "Buy Rastak a Green and Gold Culpepper Jersey" fund?


I actually have a purple one.....that should suffice..... :)

[Rastak]

Colts take LB Howard:


Strengths: Explodes off the ball and makes plays in the backfield. Though inconsistent in this area, flashes above-average upper body strength and can shed blocks. Takes adequate pursuit angles, shows outstanding range and is a sideline-to-sideline player. Has excellent lateral mobility, flows to the ball effortlessly and does a good job of scraping down the line of scrimmage. Is quick enough to turn the corner and shows excellent closing speed. Changes directions very well and can set tackles up to the outside before redirecting inside. Explodes into hits and flashes the ability to jar the ball loose. Keeps head up, gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback and has excellent vertical leaping ability. Lined up at defensive end the past two year but lined up at outside linebacker before that and has experience dropping into coverage. Opens hips well, shows good burst coming out of cuts and athletic enough to develop above-average man-to-man cover skills. Has stayed relatively healthy and appears to be durable.

Weaknesses: Tall enough to add some bulk to frame but vastly undersized end and lacks prototypical size for an outside linebacker in most 3-4-schemes. Plays with emotion but doesn't have much of a mean streak and avoids blockers rather than fighting through them. Plays with a narrow base and doesn't show great lower body strength. Stands up coming out of stance and gets driven back too much. Though could have an easier time reading plays at outside linebacker than did at end because of height, takes to long to locate the ball and step slow getting to it at times as a result. A relentless pas rusher but appears to gear down in pursuit at times and effort is inconsistent. Relies on quickness too much and doesn't show a wide variety of pass rush moves.

Overall: Howard arrived at Georgia in 2003 and redshirted his first year. In his first season with the Bulldogs (2004), he played strong-side linebacker and appeared in 11 games, recording three tackles. He was moved to defensive end in 2005, and over the next two seasons he played in all 25 games, turning in 35 tackles (1.5 for losses, all sacks) and a forced fumble. He finally cracked the lineup as a senior in 2007, starting all 13 games and finishing the season with 41 tackles (12 for losses), 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three pass breakups. Howard isn't big enough to stay at end where he lined up last year and there are even some concerns about his ability to anchor against the run at outside linebacker. That being said, he has rare upside because of his excellent top-end speed and above-average explosiveness.

[Rastak]

oops, and the Bucs take QB Johnson:


Strengths: Possesses adequate height and enough room on his frame to add necessary bulk. Excellent athlete for the position. Has quick feet, gets set quickly and is agile enough to avoid pressure on a consistent basis. Buys a lot of second-chance passing opportunities with his feet and is a legitimate running threat when he breaks contain. However, he is not a run-first QB. He shows good patience in the pocket and will go through his progression reads. He can throw on the run with good velocity and accuracy. Has a quick release and above-average arm strength. Gets good zip on deep out throws and can fit the ball into some tight spots. Seems to be most comfortable throwing vertically. He gets good air under his deep throws and shows good touch as a vertical passer. Very good ball skills. Has long arms and big hands. Does a great job of selling play fakes.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size. Height is adequate but not good and he must add bulk in order to hold up at the next level. He's a streaky passer that can be accurate at times but will lose the strike zone at other times. He needs to learn to change up his velocity on some of his throws; he tends to put too much zip on shorter throws. Seems to struggle with his accuracy on underneath throws (screens, flares, dump offs, wheel routes, etc.) more than he does on intermediate-to-deep throws. He's a small-school quarterback (non-scholarship DI-AA) that will undoubtedly have a severe learning curve in the NFL. Still telegraphs too many of his throws and gets away with a lot of questionable decisions that he will pay for in the NFL.

Overall: Johnson played 44 games in four seasons at San Diego (2004-'07), moving into the starting lineup in 2005. In his first three years, he completed 518 of 764 attempts (67.8 percent) for 6,711 yards, 70 touchdowns and just 14 interceptions. He also rushed for 1,138 yards and 17 touchdowns on 206 carries (5.5 average) in that span. As a senior, he may have been the most efficient and prolific player at any position in college football. He completed 205 of 300 attempts (68.3 percent) for 2,976 yards, 42 TDs and just one interception, finishing with an astounding 197.19 passer rating. He also ran for 674 yards and two touchdowns. Johnson is one of the most intriguing prospects in the 2008 class. He needs to add bulk to his tall but lanky frame and he still has much room to improve in terms of reading coverage and making his progressions. However, he is a confident player with underrated passing skills and outstanding mobility. He answered some questions regarding his ability to make the leap from a non-scholarship FCS program to the NFL when he stood out as the most electrifying playmaker in the East-West Shrine game. Most importantly, he proved that he's not just a running quarterback by remaining patient in the pocket and going through his progressions before opting to run as a final option. Johnson is still very much underrated in our opinion and he's worth the investment in Round 3.

[Rastak]

Jet's grab QB Ainge.....QB Run......:


Strengths: Possesses outstanding height and size-potential. Ainge can be reasonably effective when given protection in the pocket. His outstanding height and over-the-top release allow him to see the entire field and throw over his linemen with good touch. He makes quick reads and gets rid of the ball quickly. He has a quick, compact delivery and will typically show good accuracy on short-to-intermediate throws -- so long as he can set his feet and step into his throws. He has shown the ability to make all the necessary NFL throws accurately when his feet are set and when he follows through on his delivery. Continues to improve his ball security and is doing a better job of selling his play fakes. Has done a good job of overcoming early-career struggles and has dealt with pressure of being a four-year starter at a football factory like Tennessee.

Weaknesses: Lacks the strong arm to drive the ball down the field vertically. He will never be a serious running threat, either. He was more consistent late in his career but must continue to be more consistent with his mechanics, especially setting his feet and following through on his throws. He will get happy feet in the pocket at times and needs to trust his progression reads more. He is competitive and he knows he's talented, but his confidence has been shaken at times. There are some questions regarding his toughness and natural leadership skills. Durability has been a problem area throughout his career, including a shoulder injury in 2004, a minor neck injury in 2005, an ankle injury in 2006 and a knee injury in May of 2007. The most recent injury (knee) required surgery and forced him to miss the final two weeks of spring practice.

Overall: Ainge saw action in 29 games (23 starts) in his first three seasons (2004-'06) at Tennessee, completing 408 of 691 attempts (59.0 percent) for 5,178 yards, 41 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. As a senior, he completed 325 of 519 pass attempts (62.6 percent) for 3.522 yards, 31 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 14 games, all despite suffering a torn meniscus in his right knee (which required surgery) in the spring and breaking the pinky finger on his throwing hand in August. He also missed four games in 2004 because of a separated shoulder and was sidelined one game in 2006 by an ankle injury. Ainge made enormous strides from the beginning to the end of his collegiate career. Immaturity and injuries stunted his growth early on but Ainge flourished his final two seasons under the disciplined tutelage of coordinator David Cutcliffe and he also stayed relatively healthy in 2007. Plus, he stayed relatively healthy in 2007. Ainge possesses the size-potential, touch and accuracy to compete for a backup job at the next level. However, his below average arm strength and marginal mobility put a relatively low ceiling on his NFL potential. Ainge projects as a mid-to-late round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

[Carolina_Packer]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

So Brohm would be the #3? I suppose they do want someone with experience if A-Rod goes down. But I am leery of his ball handling skills (not to mention his decision making ability the last few seasons).

Be interesting to see if he takes it. Don't see a lot of suitors after him.

Risk/Reward both ways. We are on risky ground. He's undervalued because of two sub-par seasons after an injury re-hab. He hasn't forgotten everything he learned about being a QB. If he's physically able to go and compete, why not have that insurance policy. Are there a lot of better options? Byron Leftwich? Tim Rattay? Nall?

No I'd say he's the best in the proverbial barrel of rotten apples. Leftwich can have his release timed with a sundial. Rattay couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if he was standing 10 yards from it. Nall is a non-factor.

Jeff Garcia survived two years of QB hell with the Browns (now building of course) and the Lions (oy!) and rebounded. Granted, Garcia wasn't trying to come back from having a shredded knee, but coming back from injury and playing for bad teams two years in a row is not a recipe for a good comeback chance. I hope that if the Pack get Culpepper he never takes a snap, of course, but if he had to, I think he'd be at least serviceable.

[woodbuck27]

What do you guys think of the draft so faR?

I'd grade it as a 'C' so far.

I'm just checking what's happened today, now Partial. I believe that TT will push it higher today. HOPING! :)

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Carolina_Packer]

Geez, any love for Andre Woodson?

[digitaldean]

What do you guys think of the draft so faR?

I'd say overall, pretty good.

Glad to see TT addressed the TE and CB spots. Just at first glance looks like the Sitton kid from CFU is a keeper.

Nice value pick for Brohm. If Rodgers plays like gangbusters, the Packers might be able to package Brohm later on. If A-Rod struggles, then we have a definitive plan B without spending a first rounder on him.

Would have liked to seen RB or FB addressed. But there will be a ton of UFA's out there.

Considering we won't be able to tell until about 3 yrs. from now, we can't say anything definitive.

[Rastak]

Geez, any love for Andre Woodson?


Boy, none at all it seems.

[Rastak]

What do you guys think of the draft so faR?


Hard to say. I like the Brohm pick, the DE pick was ok. Goofy trade with the Vikes. I haven't heard of some of the guys. Nelson is probably an ok pick.


I really can't grade it.

I do like the Vikings draft thus far.

[digitaldean]

Ainge is a nice fall back alternative if neither Clemens or Pennington pan out.

[digitaldean]

Owen Schmitt to the Sea hags.

[Rastak]

Hawks take FB Shcmidt:


Strengths: Possesses prototypical NFL fullback size with good height and excellent bulk. Is well-proportioned with excellent upper and lower body strength. Possesses good straight-line speed for his size. Shows a second-gear in the open field and can be a punishing runner for DB's to bring down once he gets a head of steam. He has a great feel for the passing game for a FB. Understands his routes and has been a reliable dump-off option throughout his career. Displays very good awareness as a blocker  both run and pass. Generally gets in good position and shows the foot quickness to consistently reach his blocks on the second-level as a run blocker. Ideal intangibles. Hard working and extremely "coachable". He picks up new schemes quickly and has spent some time in spring of 2007 working at tight end. He gives a great effort in the weight room and has freakish strength. Has been mostly durable throughout his career and has shown great toughness playing through knee and ankle injuries in the past.

Weaknesses: Needs to play with better overall leverage. Enters the phone booth too high and loses some of his power as a result. He displays good initial pop but does not consistently sustain. Will need to improve his ability to uproot LBs as an iso-blocker. Runs a bit high at times, so he isn't always as powerful as he should be for a runner with his size and strength. He has been reliable as a receiver but he is clearly not a natural hand catcher. Also struggles to flip his hips in space to get upfield quickly. Has good speed on a straight-line but doesn't display much wiggle as a runner. Won't make many defenders miss in space. He has had some fumbling issues early in his career but has improved in that regard. Suffered minor injury at the Senior Bowl but it is not expected to have long-terms implications.

Overall: Schmitt attended Wisconsin River-Falls before transferring to West Virginia in 2004, redshirting that season. He appeared in 25 games in his first two seasons with the Mountaineers (2005-'06), logging 113 carries for 731 yards (6.5 average) and nine touchdowns, plus 20 receptions for 167 yards (8.4 average) and another score. As a senior in 2007, he had 47 carries for 272 yards (5.8 average) and four touchdowns, adding 12 catches for 121 yards (10.1 average) and a receiving TD. He also had three punts last season, averaging just 20.3 yards but placing two inside the opponents' 20. Schmitt dealt with quadriceps, knee and ankle injuries at West Virginia but never missed any games. Schmitt is a big, powerful fullback with outstanding straight-line speed and reliable hands for his position. He also plays the game with great passion and is the type that will do anything asked of him in order to contribute. Schmitt still has room to improve in terms of technique as a blocker and he'll never be more than a situational short-yardage runner in the NFL. However, we believe Schmitt is the most complete fullback prospect in the 2008 class. He should come off the board somewhere in the fourth-to-fifth round range.

[Rastak]

Damn, Saints take "Stevie" Nicks:


Strengths: A massive ROT prospect with a thick build, long arms (34.6 inches) and big hands (10 inches). Displays adequate initial quickness when firing out of his stance as a run blocker. Can engulf smaller defenders at the point of attack in the run game. Works to finish his blocks and displays a mean streak at times. Will sustain his blocks when his hand-placement is sound. Can anchor versus the bull rush when he plays with leverage. Displays a quick set in pass pro for an OT his size. Also has very good upper body strength to jar defenders with his initial punch. Lots of upside to work with as a developmental project.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal athletic ability. Is quick on a straight line but struggles to move laterally. Will have trouble getting back inside in pass pro. Does not redirect quickly enough at times. Struggles to hit the moving target in space. Needs to play with more consistent leverage. When he comes out of stance too high he is vulnerable versus powerful bull rush. No excuse for him getting walked back into his own QB like he did versus Wake Forest DE Jeremy Thompson. His footwork and hand placement need a lot of polishing.

Overall: Nicks signed with New Mexico State out of high school (2003), switching from defensive tackle to the offensive line. In 2004, he transferred to Hartnell (Salinas, Calif.) CC, where he played two seasons (2004-'05). Nicks also threw shot put and discus for Hartnell's track team. He transferred to Nebraska in 2006, appearing in 11 games (two starts) at right tackle in his first season with the Cornhuskers. As a senior in 2007, he moved to left tackle and made 11 starts, appearing in all 12 games. He missed the first quarter of last season's Kansas State game because of disciplinary reasons. Nicks is a couple notches below elite-tackle prospects such as Jake Long, Ryan Clady and Chris Williams. He played left tackle as a senior at Nebraska but he is a far better fit on the right side. Nicks moves well enough for his size but he does not possesses ideal agility for the position, so his technique must improve considerably before he's ready to compete for playing time at the next level. If coached properly, though, Nicks has the massive size, short-area quickness and mean streak to develop into a quality starter in the NFL Nicks should come off the board late in the second round or early in the third round.

[woodbuck27]

Shoot! Da Bears picked TE Kellen Davis. I wanted him. :?

Packers Forever!

[Rastak]

Shoot! Da Bears picked TE Kellen Davis. I wanted him. :?

Packers Forever!


Olsen and Davis...not a bad set of TEs.

[Rastak]

Giants take LB Goff:


Strengths: Is tall, well built and very athletic for size. Plays with a mean streak and is physical at the point of contact. Shows the ability to fluctuate weight but seems to be at his best when playing between 235 and 240 pounds. Keeps head up and shows good lateral mobility when scraping along the line of scrimmage. Does a good job of fighting through trash and keeps blockers off legs. Plays with good balance and shows good body control. Intelligent player, reads keys, plays with good discipline and takes very few false steps. Takes outstanding angles in pursuit and makes plays form sideline to sideline. Is a strong, wrap-up tackler and rarely misses in the open field. Shows above-average instincts when turned loose on the blitz and has above-average closing speed. Gets deep, almost never gets caught peeking into the backfield and shows good range when asked to drop into zone coverage. Though still needs to work on reading routes so he can jump them has good ball skills and flashes the ability to make the big play in coverage. Tough and is durable. Plays with a good motor.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite lower- body strength and has some trouble when forced to take on bigger blockers in the phone booth. While flashes great upper body strength and did a better job of shedding blocks during senior year still doesn't use hands all that well and can take too long to disengage once locked on. Has good top-end speed for size but takes too long to open hips when forced to turn, lacks the second gear to recover once caught out of position and is going to have trouble sticking with faster backs in man coverage.

Overall: Goff arrived at Vanderbilt in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he played in 34 games (27 starts) and recorded 194 tackles (nine for losses), 3.5 sacks and an interception. As a senior in 2007, he started all 12 games at middle linebacker and finished the season with 93 tackles (six for losses), 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, two pass breakups, an interception and a blocked kick. He closed out his Commodores career having made 39 consecutive starts, dating back to his freshman year. Like a lot of other inside linebackers in this class Goff has to get stronger in his trunk and improve his ability to anchor against the inside run but he has the bulk and frame to improve in that area. In addition, he is a relentless competitor who shows excellent range both as a run defender and dropping into coverage so he projects as an early fifth round pick.

[Rastak]

Chargers take Marcus Thomas RB - No Bio

[Rastak]

Anyone left? Not going to waste my time with Bio's if I'm the only one here.

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm still around

[Lurker64]

I think most of us are taking a break since the Pack doesn't pick until the 6th is over.

[digitaldean]

Still here, Ras.

Appreciate you posting the Insider bios for those of us who don't have it.

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What do you guys think of the draft so faR?


Hard to say. I like the Brohm pick, the DE pick was ok. Goofy trade with the Vikes. I haven't heard of some of the guys. Nelson is probably an ok pick.


I really can't grade it.

I do like the Vikings draft thus far.

Who have the Vikes taken?

[Rastak]

OK, Cowboys take DE Walden - No Bio

[Rastak]

What do you guys think of the draft so faR?


Hard to say. I like the Brohm pick, the DE pick was ok. Goofy trade with the Vikes. I haven't heard of some of the guys. Nelson is probably an ok pick.


I really can't grade it.

I do like the Vikings draft thus far.

Who have the Vikes taken?


Essentially they got

#1 Allen DE ( traded 1 and 2 3's of course)
#2 Tyrell Johnson S
#5 John David Booty QB
#5 Letroy Guion DT

They have 2 6's and a 7 I believe.

[Rastak]

Skins take P Brooks:


Strengths: Powerful, generally puts good air under the ball and gets excellent distance on kicks. Accurate, can place the ball inside the opponent's 20-yard line, and kick away from dangerous kickoff return man. Efficient and gets rid of the ball quickly.

Weaknesses: Handled the holding duties but has not kicked off while at Georgia Tech and lacks ideal versatility.

Overall: Brooks enrolled at Georgia Military College out of high school, averaging nearly 40.0 yards per punt in two seasons (2004-'05). He transferred to Georgia Tech in 2006, appearing in all 14 games and averaging 45.5 yards on 79 punts (with a long of 63 yards and 35 punts downed inside the opponent's 20-yard line). As a senior in 2007, he averaged 45.1 yards on 65 punts (with a long of 77, 33 punts downed inside the 20 and 21 fair catches). Brooks was named to the All-America second team in '06 and won the Ray Guy Award (given to the nation's top punter) in '07. He also was the Yellow Jackets' holder on placekicks. Brooks may not be the most versatile kicker in this year's draft and he could still become a little more consistent but no other punter possesses his blend of touch and power so he could get drafted as early as the fifth round.

[Rastak]

You guys see Rich Eisen catching jamie Dukes sleeping on the set....sitting there with his headset on sleeping.

[pbmax]

Still here Ras, just waiting for the Pack's next pick. And stalling because I don't want to cut the grass in 45 degree weather :D

[Lurker64]

I wonder if Dragosevich will be there in the seventh, I wouldn't mind drafting him.

[Rastak]

Raiders take DE Scott - No Bio

[Rastak]

Chiefs take OT Richardson:

Strengths: Gets adequate hand placement, drives legs once in position and rarely loses a battle once locked onto defender's frame. Big enough to engulf undersized defenders and can wear defenders down over the course of a game. Shows adequate lateral mobility and can seal the edge. Take adequate angles to blocks, shows good body control in space and flashes the ability to get into position at the second level. Shows rare range for size and can turn the corner when asked to pull. Plays with a good motor and looks to throw blocks downfield. Gets set quickly and uses long arms to ride edge rushers past the pocket. Bends at the waist rather than the knees but has excellent size and can generally hold ground against bull rushers. Never missed a game because of an injury while at Clemson and durability doesn't appear to be a concern.

Weaknesses: Plays too high and can struggle to drive two-gap defenders off the ball in short-yardage situations. Doesn't deliver a powerful initial punch, fails to roll hips into blocks and isn't going to knock many defenders back. Lacks a mean streak and isn't physical enough. Over commits at times and can get caught too far outside when trying to reach defenders lined up on outside shoulder. Though shows functional lateral mobility at times footwork is a little inconsistent, is vulnerable to double moves and has some problems adjusting to delayed blitzes. Lacks elite initial quickness and is going to have a harder time preventing edge rushers from turning the corner at the NFL level.

Overall: As a freshman in 2004, Richardson played in Clemson's first four games as a reserve, then entered the starting lineup at left tackle to stay. He started every game over his last three seasons (2005-'07), finishing his career with a streak of 45 consecutive starts and having appeared in each of his team's 49 games in his four seasons. Richardson isn't a powerful drive blocker who dominates the point of attack despite his excellent size and his lack of aggressiveness cannot be overlooked. However, he has the frame, athletic ability and range to develop into a serviceable starter or valuable backup so he projects as a late fourth or early fifth round pick.

[Rastak]

Jets take Henry, WR:


Strengths: Quick of the line of scrimmage for size, locates soft spots in zone coverage and flashes the ability to get open quickly. Is smooth getting in and out of cuts and sets defenders up with effective double moves. Uses hands fairly well and can get a clean release working against press coverage. Has long arm, shows good body control and does a nice job of adjusting to fade or deep throws. He also does a nice job of high-pointing the throws and will go up and over defenders at times to make the catch. Shows ability to attack the middle of the field and make the catch in traffic.

Weaknesses: Lanky, lacks ideal upper-body strength and gets pushed out of routes at times. Isn't fast enough to run by corners and does not possess the top-end speed to be a big play threat in the NFL. Lacks tempo and suddenness as a route runner. Stands up coming out of cuts and is going to have problems separating from man coverage at the next level. Inconsistent hands and relies on trapping the ball with body at times. Ineffective with blocking as he does not sustain blocks long enough.

Overall: Henry played extensively as a freshman, and in his first three seasons at Kansas (2004-'06) he amassed 50 receptions for 585 yards (11.7 average) and three touchdowns in 33 games. As a senior, he appeared and started in all 13 games, nearly doubling his career output to that point. Henry finished the 2007 season with 54 receptions for 1,014 yards (18.8 average) and 10 touchdowns, plus a 23-yard run. Henry possesses the height and ball skills to develop into an effective sub-package possession receiver but it's unlikely he ever develops into an every-down player, which is why he projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Flacons take RB Brown:


Strengths: A north-south runner that displays solid vision, rarely hesitates in the backfield and shows good burst through holes. Accelerates well and can hit the second level going full speed. Displays ability to make defenders miss in the hole and stays low when running between the tackles. Shows great lateral mobility, can bounce runs outside after starting inside and can cutback. Is quick enough to turn the corner and shows a second gear when gets into space. Runs hard, flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact and will lower shoulder into defenders rather than heading out of bounds when gets to the sideline. As a receiver, attacks the flats and does a nice job of sticking his routes. Possesses sound ball skills and shows solid body control when adjusting to passes thrown outside frame. Shows good awareness and does a nice job of avoiding contact when running screens. Is elusive in the open field and flashes the ability to turn a catch underneath into a long gain. Competes and won't back down to bigger pass rushers when asked to help out in pass protection. Has experience returning kickoffs, has flashed big-play ability in this role and can contribute on special teams

Weaknesses: Sustained a season-ending knee injury in 2006, he missed three games with a broken collarbone in 2007 and there are obvious concerns about ability to stay healthy over the course of a 16-game season. Is undersized and it's unlikely ever develops into an every-down back. Lacks ideal lower body strength and isn't going to push the pile in short-yardage situations. Doesn't have elite top-end speed and isn't going to outrun NFL defenses when gets a seam. Appears to lose focus at times and drops some passes should catch. Isn't big enough to anchor in pass protection and gets driven back into the quarterback when doesn't attack the legs of blitzing linebackers.

Overall: Brown was an immediate contributor as a freshman in 2004 and became the Bulldogs' full-time starter as a sophomore. He appeared in 23 games (15 starts) in his first two seasons, rushing for a combined 1,611 yards and 12 touchdowns on 319 carries (5.1 average). In 2006, he ran for 256 yards and a touchdown on 62 carries (4.1 average) in seven games (five starts). Last season, Brown appeared in 10 games (seven starts), running for 779 yards and 10 touchdowns on 148 carries (5.3 average). For his career, he also had 39 receptions for 373 yards (9.6 average) and two touchdowns, and ran back 32 kickoffs for 731 yards (22.8 average) and a score. Brown's final two college seasons were ended early, by a torn ACL in his right knee (six games missed in '06) and a broken collarbone (three games missed in '07). Brown possesses just average size but has the quickness, agility and hands tools to emerge as a valuable change-of-pace back that contributes to the return game as well. However, his problems staying healthy and the fact that he doesn't have great power or top-end speed should cause him to slide to the fifth round.

[digitaldean]

Saw Henry in a game KU had vs. Okla St.

He definitely has the skills.

[Rastak]

Houston takes the first Gopher! D Barber S:

trengths: Shows sound instincts in coverage, reads quarterbacks' eyes and breaks on the ball fairly well. Stays poised and does a nice job of locating uncovered receivers when quarterback scrambles. Shows a good sense of timing and does a solid job of batting the ball away when able to get into position. Aggressive and down-hill safety in run support and will explode upon contact. Able to fight off blocks and possesses enough quickness to get to bubble screens as well as quick screens. Relentless and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Does a sound job of disguising blitz and is a relentless pass rusher. Has shown a knack for blocking kicks and can contribute on special teams. He comes from tremendous bloodline, as father played and brother is playing currently in the league.

Weaknesses: Doesn't have prototypical size for an in-the-box safety and can get engulfed when lines up close to the line of scrimmage. Lacks ideal top-end speed, takes too long to open hips when forced to turn and run and lacks the second gear to recover once caught out of position. Plays too high and doesn't show great closing speed coming out of backpedal. Struggles to change directions quickly, doesn't explode out of cuts and is going to have some problems matching up with slot receivers. Lacks ideal range, doesn't always take sound angles to the ball once it's in the air and can have some problems covering the deep half of the field when asked to drop into zone coverage and doesn't play with sound technique. Doesn't have great ball skills and isn't a playmaker.

Overall: Barber arrived at Minnesota in 2004, and in his first three seasons ('04-'06) he appeared in 34 games (12 starts) and collected 91 tackles (one for a loss), two forced fumbles, five pass breakups and four interceptions. As a senior in 2007, he played all 12 games and had a team-high 100 tackles (5.5 for losses), one sack, eight pass breakups and three fumble recoveries (one of which he returned for a touchdown). Barber also blocked three kicks during his Gophers career. His father, Marion II, played in the NFL and his brother, Marion III, currently is a Dallas Cowboys running back. Barber has his limitations in coverage and he doesn't have great size for a situational run stuffing strong safety but he is a tough and relentless run defender capable of providing depth at safety and contributing on special teams. As a result, he projects as a sixth round pick.

[woodbuck27]

Great! TT got a TE and a DE. V. good. :D Who are these prospects? I was checking out TE Jermichael Finley yesterday as a possible choice:

http://www.packers.com/draft/2008/

@ 3-91 and (** 4-102) and TT trades **up and down. He's Da Man :) :
4-113 To NY Jets with No. 162 ** for No. 102. Originally acquired from NY Jets with No. 36 for No. 30 on Saturday 27 Apr. '08.

4-128 To St. Louis Rams for Nos. 137 & 217

10 new prospects on tap now, so far for us fr. this draft.TT's doing ' his thing '. :)

Details:

3-91 TE Jermichael Finley Texas 6'4" - 243 lbs.
In 26 games at Texas, Finley started 17 contests. He ranks fourth on the school's career-record list for tight ends with 76 receptions and sixth with 947 yards (12.5 avg).TE Finley's Athleticism Intrigues Packers

4-102 DE Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest 6'4" - 264 lbs.
Thompson started 32 of 46 games at right defensive end, recording 112 tackles (73 solos), including 8.5 sacks for minus 73 yards and 20.5 stops for losses of 92 yards. (from NY Jets for Nos. 113 & 162)

DE Thompson Handled All Roles At Wake

PACKERS FOREVER!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked the draft through the first 5 picks (especially Brohm, Lee, and Thompson), but these guys that don't even have a bio haven't exactly worked out. I think Tony Moll, Dave Tollefson, Mike Hawkins, and Kurt Campbell were the other guys that Thompson drafted that didn't even have a bio. Moll has been surprising, but just a good backup. The other three haven't done anything. I know that's not normally, but it just gives me a sinking feeling--especially taking them in the 5th round.

[Rastak]

49ers take WR Morgan:

Strengths: Has adequate height and is thickly built. Is quick and displays good change-of-direction skills. Knows how to find soft spots in zone and not afraid to go over the middle. Shows good sideline awareness and has generally done a good job of getting feet down inbounds. Flashes excellent upper body strength and can shed press coverage. Uses frame to shield defenders from ball, flashes ability to make the tough catch in traffic and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone receiver. Runs hard after the catch and flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact. Flashes a mean streak and can sustain blocks if he wants to. Plays with a good motor and looks to throw blocks downfield. Has experience returning kickoffs as well as punts, can get to the punter when going for a block and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite top end-speed and is going to have a harder time getting behind the defense at the NFL level. Doesn't have great elusiveness, isn't fast enough to go the distance when gets a seam and isn't much of a big-play threat. Will occasionally take his eyes off the ball and drops some passes should catch. Doesn't always work hard enough as a backside receiver and his effort as a blocker is even worse. Character is a big concern; charged with obstructing an officer in late September 2006 and Virginia Tech suspended him for the Georgia Tech game as a result.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Virginia Tech (2004-'06), Morgan appeared in 37 games (12 starts) and had 76 receptions for 1,265 yards (16.6 average) and 11 touchdowns. In 14 games (11 starts) as a senior, he posted 46 receptions for 552 yards (12.0 average) and five touchdowns. For his career, he also had 26 kickoff returns for 450 yards (17.3 average), 14 punt returns for 148 yards (10.6 average) and six rushing attempts for 20 yards. Morgan suffered a left foot fracture in the spring before his first season. He was suspended one game in 2006 after his arrest for disorderly conduct and obstructing justice. Morgan has the tools to develop into an effective sub-package possession receiver in the NFL. However, he lacks the top-end speed to provide big plays as a route runner or after-the-catch. He also gives an inconsistent effort and comes with some off-the-field baggage. As a result, Morgan could be selected anywhere from the fourth round to the seventh round of the 2008 draft.

[Rastak]

I liked the draft through the first 5 picks (especially Brohm, Lee, and Thompson), but these guys that don't even have a bio haven't exactly worked out. I think Tony Moll, Dave Tollefson, Mike Hawkins, and Kurt Campbell were the other guys that Thompson drafted that didn't even have a bio. Moll has been surprising, but just a good backup. The other three haven't done anything. I know that's not normally, but it just gives me a sinking feeling--especially taking them in the 5th round.

Hello Harv, were you surprised the Vikings and Packers did a draft day trade? I was pretty surprised.

[MadtownPacker]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hello Harv, were you surprised the Vikings and Packers did a draft day trade? I was pretty surprised.

What was the trade?

[Rastak]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?


Packers sent the Vikes a 5th so they could move up and take QB John David Booty....the packers moved back a few spots and got the #2 pick in round 7.

[pbmax]

Which round? :lol:


Im just jumping on, what was the trade?

[Rastak]

Hello Harv, were you surprised the Vikings and Packers did a draft day trade? I was pretty surprised.

What was the trade?


see above.....

[Rastak]

Bucs take LB Hayes:

trengths: Takes sound pursuit angles, uses quick feet to avoid blockers in space and shows sideline-to-sideline range. Has good instincts and locates the ball carrier quickly. Squares up to ball carriers, wraps up upon contact and is a reliable open field tackler that flashes the ability to deliver the big hit. Gets good depth in drops and rarely gets caught out of position when asked to drop into zone coverage. Gets out of backpedal quickly, shows adequate not great closing speed and generally does a nice job of wrapping up receivers when they catch the ball in front of him. Changes directions well, shows adequate burst coming out of cuts and can match up with most backs as well as tight ends in man coverage. Shows good initial quickness, has the agility to develop effective double moves and is a relentless pass rusher coming off the edge.

Weaknesses: Undersized, can get engulfed at the point of attack and may be a better fit at outside linebacker at the NFL level. Doesn't deliver a violent initial punch, doesn't use hands well and takes too long to shed blocks when gets reached. Does an adequate job of timing the snap when asked to blitz but doesn't have great lower body strength and isn't going to run through most blockers in the backfield so needs a clear path to be effective when rushing the passer up the middle. Missed three games with a knee injury in 2006 and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: Hayes was the only Florida State freshman to appear in all 13 games of the 2005 season. In 2006, he started ten games and missed three games with a knee injury. He recorded 59 tackles including 12 tackles-for-loss that year. Hayes started ten of the 11 games he appeared in during the 2007 season finishing with 80 total tackles including 49 unassisted tackles and 17.5 tackles-for-loss. He also recorded five sacks, one interception and two forced-fumbles last year. Hayes has experience playing OLB and MLB in a 4-3 alignment, as well as ILB in a 3-4. His lack of bulk and problems anchoring against the run are reasons for concern, so it seems likely he will fit best at WLB in the NFL. However, he has the range and instincts to develop into an effective starter for a team that has the personnel at defensive tackle to take up space and keep blockers off him. In addition, he has above-average cover skills and could develop into a valuable special teams' contributor. Hayes projects as a third or fourth round pick.

[MadtownPacker]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?


Packers sent the Vikes a 5th so they could move up and take QB John David Booty....the packers moved back a few spots and got the #2 pick in round 7.We got burned.

[pbmax]

whoops, forgot the posting of jsonline stuff here.

What about their blogs, Mad? OR does it have to be a link?

[Packnut]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?


Packers sent the Vikes a 5th so they could move up and take QB John David Booty....the packers moved back a few spots and got the #2 pick in round 7.We got burned.


Ah yes we did. More like SCORCHED! :lol:

[Rastak]

Here is what the star tribune said....I kept thinking there was a future pick but it appears not:

Vikings trade up to take QB
April 27th, 2008 – 12:44 PM by Judd Zulgad

It isn’t often the Vikings and Packers make a trade but it happened today.

The Vikings acquired the second pick of the fifth round (No. 137 overall) so they could take Southern Cal quarterback John David Booty. This is the developmental-type QB that coach Brad Childress had talked about adding to the roster. The Vikings gave up a seventh-round pick to Green Bay (No. 209) and surrendered pick No. 150 overall in the fifth round. Minnesota still has pick No. 152 in the fifth round. That one was acquired from the Eagles.

[theeaterofshades]

Caleb Campbell S Army.... Chances he'll be there in the 7th?

[Rastak]

RB Parmele to Phins:

Strengths: Displays good patience along with solid vision when running between the tackles. Shows sound lateral movement near the line of scrimmage, finds cutback lanes and does a nice job of getting vertical after cuts. Displays natural ability to turn shoulder pads and get skinny when running through small openings. Does a sound job of keeping his feet churning upon contact and will fall forward to end runs. Finishes runs along boundary turning upfield for extra yards instead of dipping out of bounds. Shows good balance and shakes off would-be arm tacklers. Stays alert, plays with a mean streak and can cut blitzing linebackers to the ground when asked to help out in pass protection. Snatches the ball out of the air and isn't going to drop many passes that should catch. Has experience returning kickoffs, has flashed big-play potential in that role and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks prototypical power for a back with his size and is going to have problems pushing the pile in short-yardage situations. Isn't quick enough to turn the corner with any consistency in the NFL and lacks the second gear to outrun defenders when gets into space. Takes too long to change directions and isn't going to make many defenders. Lacks suddenness and isn't elusive enough to make defenders miss in the open field. Puts the ball on the ground too much and needs to work on pressure points as a ball carrier. Does not run efficient routes and will have trouble separating from man coverage at the next level.

Overall: In his first two seasons at Toledo (2004-'05), Parmele appeared in 20 games as a reserve. He ran for 477 yards and six touchdowns on 106 carries (4.5 average) and eight receptions for 65 yards. As a junior in 2006, Parmele became the Rockets' starter, gaining 1,131 rushing yards and eight touchdowns on 207 carries (5.5 average) and adding 16 receptions for 128 yards (8.0 average) in 12 games. He topped that performance last season, averaging 125.9 rushing yards in 12 games (good for ninth in the country). He ran for a total of 1,511 yards and 14 touchdowns on 276 carries (5.5 average) as a senior, adding 17 receptions for 157 yards (9.2 average) and a touchdown. Parmele also had a career 25 kickoff returns for 628 yards (25.1 average) and a TD. Although he is big and runs with purpose, Parmele lacks the overall power, speed and athleticism to be a featured back at the next level. With a few years of development he has the potential to be a number three back and should be able to contribute on special teams. This is why Parmele projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have no opinion. I'm pretty indifferent on John David Booty.

[Rastak]

Bengals take S Lynch:

Strengths: Physical, shows adequate upper body strength and can reroute receivers. Gets good knee bend in backpedal and shows adequate burst getting out of it. Appears to read routes well and shows good awareness in zone coverage. Aggressive and jumps routes. Has excellent ball skills and is a playmaker. Plays with a mean streak and fills hard when reads run. Has active hands and flashes the ability to shed blocks. Plays with a good motor and is a sideline-to-sideline run defender. Wraps up and is a reliable open field tackler. Blocked three kicks last year, blocked three kicks in 2006 and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Stiff in the hips when forced to turn and run, doesn't have the second gear or long arms to recover when gets caught in a trail position and can get beat deep when left on an island. Adequate but not great quickness and is going to have some problems matching up with slot receivers in man coverage. Tall enough to bulk up frame a bit but lacks prototypical size and can get engulfed when lines up in the box. Fractured left elbow in during the second game of the 2004-season, had two screws inserted during surgery to repair the elbow and took a medical red-shirt that year. Fractured right arm during the 2006-season and missed two games. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Lynch arrived at Appalachian State in 2003 and was named a started by the second game of his freshman year. In his first three full seasons (2003, '05-06), he appeared in 39 games (38 starts) and compiled 234 tackles (7.5 for losses), 17 interceptions, 17 pass breakups, three forced fumbles, three blocked kicks and two touchdowns (one returned block, one returned fumble). In 2004, he started the first two games (13 tackles, one interception, one forced fumble) before suffering a season-ending elbow injury that led to surgery and a medical redshirt year. As a senior in 2007, Lynch started all 15 games at free safety and was selected as the Southern Conference's Defensive Player of the Year. He finished the season with 111 tackles (three for losses), one forced fumble, 11 pass breakups, six interceptions (including one he returned for a touchdown) and three blocked kicks. Lynch also missed two games in 2006 because of a right ulnar fracture. Lynch is a small-school prospect who has some durability concerns and doesn't have great natural ability so he projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent. However, Lynch could prove to be a great value there because he's a tough run defender, he's a playmaker in coverage and he's shown a knack for blocking kicks on special teams.

[theeaterofshades]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?


Packers sent the Vikes a 5th so they could move up and take QB John David Booty....the packers moved back a few spots and got the #2 pick in round 7.We got burned.


Ah yes we did. More like SCORCHED! :lol:

We should have gotten one of their 6ths instead of the 7th

[Rastak]

I have no opinion. I'm pretty indifferent on John David Booty.


People here were irritated that any trade was made with Minnesota. Booty is a #3 and my thought is the Vikes could have traded with the team after GB anyway.

[Bretsky]

Saints just took the Badgers Kicker

[woodbuck27]

I liked the draft through the first 5 picks (especially Brohm, Lee, and Thompson), but these guys that don't even have a bio haven't exactly worked out. I think Tony Moll, Dave Tollefson, Mike Hawkins, and Kurt Campbell were the other guys that Thompson drafted that didn't even have a bio. Moll has been surprising, but just a good backup. The other three haven't done anything. I know that's not normally, but it just gives me a sinking feeling--especially taking them in the 5th round.

Here YOU go Harvey: :D

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/te.html

7. Kellen Davis Michigan St. 6-6 262 4.60
8. Martin Rucker Missouri 6-43/4 251 4.71
9. Jermichael Finley Texas 6-4 253 4.82
10. Jacob Tamme Kentucky 6-31/2 236 4.58

Jermichael Finley Height: 6-4 | Weight: 253 | 40-Time: 4.82

Official Bio

Strengths:

Has great height with the frame to get even bigger...Very athletic...Decent timed speed and quickness...Has soft, reliable hands and great ball skills...Good leaping ability and body control...Can do some damage after the catch...Gives pretty good effort as a blocker...Hard worker with terrific intangibles...Still has a ton of upside.

Weaknesses:

Really needs to bulk up and get stronger...Does not display much power...Sub par blocker who doesn't get much of a push...Can improve as a route runner...He isn't fundamentally sound and needs technique work...Doesn't have much experience.

Notes:

Surprise early-entry who came out after his redshirt sophomore season...

Caught 4 passes for 149 yards and a touchdown against Oklahoma in 2007...
Still raw and is basically a one-dimensional pass catcher right now...

Has the physical tools and talent to ultimately be one of the best tight ends to come out of this draft but will require some patience...

He'll be chosen based more on potential than production.

Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2005 DNP - - - -
2006 13 31 372 12.0 3

2007 13 45 575 12.8 2

Totals 26 76 947 12.5 5

************************************************** **********

Defensive End | Senior | Wake Forest Jeremy Thompson
Height: 6-43/8 | Weight: 264 | 40-Time: 4.75

Official Bio

Strengths:

Has a cut physique with the frame to get even bigger...Long arms...A smooth and fluid athlete...Good strength...Has a good motor and does a nice job in pursuit...Is stout at the point of attack and does an excellent job against the run...Real smart with terrific awareness...Has some potential in coverage...

Versatile..A hard worker with good intangibles...Had his best season as a senior and still has some upside.

Weaknesses:

Has decent timed speed but isn't very explosive...Lacks a burst to close...Is not a great natural pass rusher...Doesn't use his hands well...Not overly physical...Does not play with a nasty demeanor and may lack a killer instinct...Marginal production and was a bit of a one year wonder...Has some durability issues...Underachiever?

Notes:

Could be a base end in a 4-3 scheme, a 3-4 end or a 3-4 outside linebacker...

Tore his ACL in 2005 and dealt with a shoulder injury in 2006...

Late emerging prospect who really began to pick up a lot of momentum in scouting circles late in the 2007 season...

Might never be a star or a double-digit sack guy at the next level but his versatility and promise will make him a relatively valuable commodity on Draft Day.

Career Statistics

Year GP TKL TFL SACK

2004 11 15 3.0 1.0
2005 8 21 2.0 0.0
2006 14 30 4.5 1.0
2007 13 46 11.0 6.5
Totals 46 112 20.5 8.5

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Rastak]

No bio on the kicker.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have no opinion. I'm pretty indifferent on John David Booty.

People here were irritated that any trade was made with Minnesota. Booty is a #3 and my thought is the Vikes could have traded with the team after GB anyway.

I equate ut to fantasy sports. Some guys don't like to trade with another team if they think the trade helps the other one out (maybe that team needs a closer and you have extra). I don't care. I'll make a trade that helps my team. If I'm helping the other team, so be it. There are 8-10 teams that didn't get helped. Make sense? Now, if it was some stud starter we were trading, that would be different, but shuffling around late round picks doesn't get my panties in a bunch.
:D

[Carolina_Packer]

I have no opinion. I'm pretty indifferent on John David Booty.


People here were irritated that any trade was made with Minnesota. Booty is a #3 and my thought is the Vikes could have traded with the team after GB anyway.

I would agree. Looking at it from GB's POV, we got an extra pick to switch.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jeremy Thompson

I really like this kid when I read up on him.

[Rastak]

I have no opinion. I'm pretty indifferent on John David Booty.

People here were irritated that any trade was made with Minnesota. Booty is a #3 and my thought is the Vikes could have traded with the team after GB anyway.

I equate ut to fantasy sports. Some guys don't like to trade with another team if they think the trade helps the other one out (maybe that team needs a closer and you have extra). I don't care. I'll make a trade that helps my team. If I'm helping the other team, so be it. There are 8-10 teams that didn't get helped. Make sense? Now, if it was some stud starter we were trading, that would be different, but shuffling around late round picks doesn't get my panties in a bunch.
:D


I would agree. Not that big a deal.

[cpk1994]

No bio on the kicker.Being a Badger fan, Mehlhaff reminds me of Mason Crosby. Big leg. Good accuarcy on long FG.

[Lurker64]

I liked the draft through the first 5 picks (especially Brohm, Lee, and Thompson), but these guys that don't even have a bio haven't exactly worked out. I think Tony Moll, Dave Tollefson, Mike Hawkins, and Kurt Campbell were the other guys that Thompson drafted that didn't even have a bio. Moll has been surprising, but just a good backup. The other three haven't done anything. I know that's not normally, but it just gives me a sinking feeling--especially taking them in the 5th round.

From what I've read, the two OL we took are less "way out of nowhere" than some of the guys we've taken in the past. Apparently a few teams noticed Sitton when going to take a look at Kevin Smith. A number of media outlets think we might have unearthed a sleeper. At the very least, he projects to be a multiple position player and those are valuable. Sitton might be a guy who just wasn't projected high or scouted by many people because he was so obscure, I mean who follows UCF football?

Breno is raw, but has a hell of a lot of potential from what I've read. The Seahawks, apparently, had him graded out as a 6th round pick, so he wasn't even that much of a reach. But he's got a nasty intensity, excellent physical tools, and he's familiar with the ZBS. He might be something in 2-3 years. If nothing else, he's a better developmental guy than some of the guys we just cut.

[Partial]

Taylor Mehlhaf has a boot.

[pbmax]

I can't believe they have this much for Mehlhaff:

Taylor Mehlhaff
Height: 5-10 | Weight: 185 | Position:K | College: Wisconsin
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Overview

Taylor Mehlhaff teamed with punter Ken DeBauche to form what many experts felt was the best kicking tandem in college football in recent years.

DeBauche left the school ranked second in punting average and total punting yards. Mehlhaff finished his career as Wisconsin's second-leading scorer in school history (295 points) and tied for second all-time in field goals (50). He also holds the Badgers' all-time record by making 145-of-148 extra point attempts.

The 2007 Lou Groza Award semifinalist, given to the nation's premier place-kicker, Mehlhaff also garnered All-American first-team honors as a senior. A three-year starter who handled all field goals and extra-point attempts, Mehlhaff was a major reason the opposition consistently had poor field position. In handling kickoff chores, 123 of his attempts were touchbacks and 160 of those kicks were returned for a 19.75-yard average, none for touchdowns.

Mehlhaff was a decorated kicker during his time at Aberdeen Central High School. He was rated the premier place-kicker in the prep ranks by Rivals.com, earning All-American first-team honors from Ridell and second-team accolades from USA Today. He was a two-time All-State, All-Area and All-Conference choice on special teams and added All-Conference honors as a quarterback. South Dakota's 2003 Gatorade Player of the Year, he helped lead his team to 12-1 record and runner-up finish in 2003 Class 11AA state finals as a quarterback, strong safety, kicker and punter.

The national kickoff champion at Chris Sailer's Kicking Camp, Mehlhaff had more than 93 percent of his kickoffs go for touchbacks and he made 6-of-14 field goals, with a long of 52 yards and 35-of-36 PATs as a senior. He also passed for 1,359 yards and 12 touchdowns, while making 55 tackles on defense. The team captain and MVP lettered four times each in football, hockey and track. He also earned All-State Academic team recognition.

Mehlhaff enrolled at Wisconsin in 2004, though Mike Allen was holding down the job as the team's place-kicker. Mehlhaff took over kickoff chores for the Badgers, handling 53 kickoffs for 3,266 yards (61.6-yard distance average) with 18 touchbacks, as the opposition averaged 20.1 yards on 33 kickoff returns. He also made two assisted tackles.

In 2005, Mehlhaff handled field goal, placement and kickoff duties. He scored 98 points on 14-of-20 field goals and 56-of-58 PATs. He ranked second in the Big Ten Conference, as he kicked off 81 times for a 60.9-yard distance average, as 45 were returned for an 18.9-yard average and 36 boots resulted in touchbacks. He also posted four tackles (two solo).

Mehlhaff was named the team's Special Teams Player of the Year. The Lou Groza Award semifinalist added All-Big Ten Conference second-team honors, as he ranked second on the team with 92 points. He was successful on all 47 extra-point tries and on 15-of-20 field goals. He produced one solo tackle and saw just 32 of his 76 kickoffs (61.6-yard distance average) returned, with 42 resulting in touchbacks.

Mehlhaff's senior season was his finest, picking up All-American and All-Big Ten honors. He tied for the conference title and ranked 16th nationally with an average of 1.62 field goals per game. He finished 23rd in the country with just 50 kickoffs returned for a 19.64 average on 77 kicks, with 27 touchbacks. He led the team with a career-high 105 points scored, connecting on 21-of-25 field goals and 42-of-43 extra-point attempts. His 21 field goals rank second on the school single-season list. He also made two tackles.

In 51 games at Wisconsin, Mehlhaff handled kickoff duties in each of those contests and field goal/PAT chores in 39 clashes. He connected on 50-of-65 field goals (76.92%) and 145-of-148 extra-point attempts (97.97%) for 295 points, the second-highest total on the school's career scoring list. He recorded nine tackles (four solo) and kicked off 287 times for 18,018 yards (62.78-yard distance average), as 123 of those boots resulted in touchbacks, six were kicked out of bounds and 160 were returned (55.75%) for 3,160 yards (19.55 avg) with no touchdowns, as the opposition's average start point was the 23-yard line.

[pbmax]

And that is only half of the material, the rest is the scouting report.

[Badgerinmaine]

I would agree. Not that big a deal.

I do too, especially when you think about how late in the draft this is.

[woodbuck27]

Im just jumping on, what was the trade?

Hi Mad. Hungover!? :)

4-113 To NY Jets with No. 162 ** for No. 102. Originally acquired from NY Jets with No. 36 for No. 30 on Saturday 27 Apr. '08.

4-128 To St. Louis Rams for Nos. 137 & 217

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Badgerinmaine]

Good luck to Mehlhaff down there. May he have as much fun kicking indoors in the Superdome as Morten Andersen did for all those years.

[Rastak]

Way behind on Bios posted.....oh well, it is round 6.

[pbmax]

JSOnline has Sitton quoted as saying teams (incl. Packers) have talked to him about playing Guard and Center, no Tackle. He has not played in a game as a Center.

[Rastak]

Vikings up soon. I would hope they grab a couple line prospects here in round 6. Looks like I was mistaken. They have no 7th round pick.

[Badgerinmaine]

Thanks for posting them, Ras.

[woodbuck27]

[quote="Rastak"]Bengals take S Lynch:

YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB Rastak! :D

The NFCN!

[pbmax]

Nick Hayden went to Carolina.

[Rastak]

Panthers and Hayden:


Strengths: Possesses good height and adequate bulk with room on his frame to get bigger. Displays good overall strength and does a solid job of anchoring at the point of attack. Uses long arms to keep separation from blockers. Active and is a high-motor player whose hands and feet are always moving. Relentless, won't give up and always seems to be around the ball at the end of plays. Does an effective job of tying up blockers in a gap-control scheme, is disciplined and technically sound. Shows some power moves to collapse the pocket as a bull rusher when working one-on-one. Extremely durable and has been reliable throughout his career. Blocked an extra point attempt in 2006 can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Not a great athlete. Shows adequate straight-line quickness but he's not an explosive penetrator and does not change directions very well. He needs to do a better job of locating the ball and disengaging from blocks once locked on. Still could add some bulk to his frame, especially if he's playing a two-gap and/or gap-control scheme in the NFL. Lacks first-step quickness and closing burst to be a legitimate factor as an inside pass rusher in the NFL.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Wisconsin (2004-'06), Hayden appeared in 31 games and registered 84 tackles (13 for losses), 5.5 sacks and four pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he started all 13 games and had 48 tackles (8.5 for losses), 4.5 sacks, two pass breakups and a blocked kick. Hayden also had six career fumble recoveries and closed out his Badgers career having made 39 consecutive starts. Hayden is a durable, experienced player with adequate size and quickness. He gives solid effort and he's the type of prospect that will find ways to make a roster as a wave DT in the NFL. However, while he is a solid all-around player, Hayden does not have any special qualities physically so he projects as a sixth round pick.

[Rastak]

Chiefs take WR Robinson:

Strengths: Has adequate top-end speed and tracks the ball fairly well. Though inconsistent in this area, athletic and can look smooth getting in and out of breaks. Tough and isn't afraid to go over the middle. Snatches the ball out of the air and rarely drops passes should catch. Stays focused, has the body control to adjust to passes thrown outside frame and flashes the ability to make spectacular catches. Though lacks elite elusiveness changes speeds well, uses head as well as shoulder fakes and can make defenders miss when gets into space. Reads blocks well, reaches top-speed quickly and is a dangerous return man that can make an immediate impact on special teams.

Weaknesses: Is undersized and can get pushed around by bigger corners. Too mechanical at this point, doesn't always run crisp short-to-intermediate routes and is going to have a harder time separating from man coverage at the NFL level. Isn't tall enough to regularly compete for jump balls, lacks the wide frame to shield defenders and isn't much of a red zone option at this point. Has adequate but not great top-end speed and is going to have a harder time running by NFL corners. Doesn't take sound angles to blocking assignments and frequently fails to get into position. Hand placement is inconsistent at best, doesn't play with enough of a mean streak and rarely sustains blocks.

Overall: Robinson didn't just play as a freshman; he started at wide receiver and was named the MVP of the Aggies' offense and special teams. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he played in 34 games (21 starts) and compiled 123 receptions for 1,845 yards (15.0 average) and 16 touchdowns. In 12 games (11 starts) as a senior, he had 55 receptions for 640 yards (11.6 average) for five touchdowns and ranked eight in the nation in all-purpose yards per game (193.1). For his career, Robinson had 35 rushing attempts for 165 yards and a score; 78 punt returns for 1,104 yards and four touchdowns; and 110 kickoff returns for 2,725 yards and four TDs. Robinson doesn't have prototypical size or top-end speed but he appears faster than his 40-time would indicate because he tracks the ball fairly well and he's a north-south runner. His big-play ability as a return man coupled with his potential as a receiver should make him a sixth or seventh round pick.

[Rastak]

Broncos take LB Larsen:

Strengths: Locates the ball carrier quickly, has good initial quickness and can disrupt running plays in the backfield. Takes adequate pursuit angles, works from the snap until the whistle and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Gets adequate depth and reads the quarterback's eyes when asked to drop into zone coverage. Excellent instincts and rarely bites on play action. Vocal, gets players lined up in the right position and is a leader on the field. Has experience lining up on the outside and is somewhat versatile. Experienced at covering punts flies around the field regardless of the situation and has the potential to develop into a valuable special teams' contributor.

Weaknesses: Absorbs the blow rather than delivering it, lacks elite size and can get engulfed by interior offensive linemen. Plays too upright, lacks ideal lower body strength and is going to have problems holding ground in short-yardage situations. Doesn't deliver explosive punch and takes too long to shed blocks. Creates running lanes by avoiding blockers rather than stacking them up, can overrun plays and occasionally gets caught out of position as a run defender. Hits too high, doesn't always square up to the ball carrier and is an inconsistent open field tackler. While jumps underneath routes at times, can be overaggressive and lacks the second gear to recover once out of position. Lacks elite closing speed and is going to have problems turning the corner if asked to rush off the edge. Opens hips fairly well but isn't fast enough to run with most NFL backs and is going to have problems holding up on an island in man coverage. Spent two years Mormon mission and will be a 24 year old rookie. Injured knee during spring of 2005, underwent knee surgery in April of that year, missed the first two games of the 2005 season and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Arizona (2002, 2005-'06), Larsen appeared in 32 games (25 starts) and compiled 181 tackles (16.5 for losses), five sacks, seven pass breakups, two forced fumbles and an interception. As a senior in 2007, he started all 12 games and racked up 131 tackles (15.5 for losses), four sacks, three forced fumbles, five pass breakups and an interception. He had a knack for getting his hands on the ball, turning in eight career fumble recoveries. Larsen spent 2003 and 2004 on a Mormon mission in Chile. He returned to the team the following spring and almost immediately suffered damage to the ACL in his right knee. He had surgery in March and missed the first three games of the '06 season. Bottom line: Larsen has got to improve his ability to get under blockers' pads and add some lower body strength because he struggles when teams run at him. His inconsistent open field tackling is also concerning but there's a lot to like about his ability to locate the ball and then fly to it whether it's on defense or special teams so he projects as an early second day pick.

[Rastak]

HAHA - I just saw some clown call Tarvaris Jackson TJumps......( A little joke on his stupid jump pass last year).....I thought it was kinda funny.

[Rastak]

Eagles take OG Gibson:


trengths: Shows a good first step off the line of scrimmage and flashes the ability to get into position quickly. Has adequate initial quickness and shows the ability to climb up to the second level. Once in position, does a nice job of sustaining and finishing blocks. Is able to get out of stance and pull around edge. Gets set quickly, uses hands well and delivers a strong punch in pass protection. Recognizes stunts and blitzes quickly and is rarely caught out of position. Plays with a mean streak and is physical.

Weaknesses: Plays too high, lacks elite lower body strength and isn't going to consistently drive defensive tackles of the ball. Does not take proper angles to blocks and has some problems adjusting to moving targets in space. Lacks overall balance and is seen on the ground a lot. Is an overaggressive pass blocker, lacks ideal lateral mobility and is vulnerable to double moves. Doesn't do a great job of sinking hips, lacks elite size and can get driven back by bull rushers. Though lined up at tackle at Cal, isn't explosive or athletic enough to hold his own there at the NFL level. Underwent off-season shoulder surgery in 2007, missed the Armed Forced Bowl with an injury and durability is a concern.

Overall: Gibson enrolled and played at Solano CC in his first two years out of high school (2004-'05), where he earned All-America honors. He transferred to Cal in 2006, playing in all 13 games (nine starts) that season. As a senior in 2007, he started the first 12 games at left tackle for the Golden Bears, but he missed the finale because of an injury. Gibson will have to move from tackle to guard to make it at the NFL level and while there is a lot to like about his blend of size and quickness on the inside, he still has to answer questions about his power. As a result, he projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Cards take DE Harrington:


Strengths: Keeps head up, show adequate lateral mobility scraping down the line of scrimmage and does an adequate job of stringing plays out. Takes adequate pursuit angles and works from the snap until the whistle on every play. Uses hands to protect lower body and fights over cut blocks. Takes the shortest path to the quarterback and is a relentless pass rusher. Has adequate not great upper body strength and flashes an effective rip move. While he underwent off-season rotator cuff surgery in 2006, hasn't missed a game because of an injury and tough player that can deal with pain. Has adequate size and is tall enough to bulk up.

Weaknesses: Doesn't sink hips enough and can get engulfed. Lacks ideal lower body strength and can't hold ground working against double teams. Lacks ideal awareness, has some problems locating the ball and gets caught out of position at times. Plays with a narrow base, leans into blockers rather than rolling hips and loses balance at times. While never stops working and can shed blocks, doesn't show an explosive punch and can take too long to disengage. Doesn't do a great job of anticipating the snap and lacks ideal explosiveness. Isn't fast enough to turn the corner and has below-average closing speed. Isn't strong enough to collapse the pocket and doesn't do a great job of setting tackles up to the outside before redirecting inside. All too often fails to get hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback and should be more disruptive.

Overall: Harrington arrived at Texas A&M in 2003 and redshirted the year. He appeared in all 12 games as a reserve in 2004, recording 14 tackles (three for losses) and two sacks. He cracked the lineup as a sophomore and played every game (missing only one start) over his last three seasons (2005-'07). In that span, he compiled 142 tackles (26.5 for losses), 13.5 sacks, five forced fumbles, five pass breakups and a blocked kick. Harrington's uncle, Dave Elmendorf, was a three-sport All-America selection at Texas A&M and an All-Pro with the Los Angeles Rams. Harrington is a straight-line pass rusher with adequate-at-best closing speed and not enough power to consistently collapse the pocket at this point. In addition, he has to work on staying lower to the ground as a run defender. However, there's enough to like about Harrington's frame, motor and toughness to take him in the fifth round.

[MadtownPacker]

HAHA - I just saw some clown call Tarvaris Jackson TJumps......( A little joke on his stupid jump pass last year).....I thought it was kinda funny.I rather they start calling him T-Choke. :lol:

[Rastak]

Vikings on Deck......

Again.....Sullivan or Barton?

[Rastak]

HAHA - I just saw some clown call Tarvaris Jackson TJumps......( A little joke on his stupid jump pass last year).....I thought it was kinda funny.I rather they start calling him T-Choke. :lol:


83 QB rating the last half of the year......it can only go up Mad......!

[Rastak]

Wow, Skins take Brennen QB:

trengths: A gunslinger with an aggressive mentality. Accurate, puts good touch on passes and leads receivers on slant routes. Flashes the ability to throw into tight spaces on routes coming over the middle (in-route, posts, etc). Throws a tight spiral, steps into throws and knows how to lead his receivers. Is quick and mobile. Buys a lot of second chances with his feet. Also is capable of tucking the ball and running for first downs when opportunity presents itself. Has good ball skills and fields errant shotgun snaps well. Confident and aggressive. Wants the ball in his hands late in games. Is tough and will play through pain. Has adequate lower body strength and is a tough runner for his size.

Weaknesses: Height is only decent and bulk is marginal. Must get bigger/stronger in order to hold up in the NFL. Lacks ideal arm strength. Gets a lot of RPM's on throws but ball lacks zip on deep outs. He struggles to drive the ball down the field and many of his vertical throws will sail. Makes some poor decisions in the face of pressure and can throw the ball up for grabs. Plays in a spread scheme that simplifies reads. System has never translated well to the NFL; needs to adjust to taking snaps from under center, reading coverage while dropping and fitting the ball into tighter spots in the NFL. Doesn't secure the ball when pressure closes in on him and he can put it on the ground. Also comes with red flags regarding character (see History).

Overall: Brennan spent a red-shirt season at Colorado in 2003 but was kicked off the team after a sexual misconduct charge was brought against him (and eventually dropped). He enrolled at Saddleback Community College (Calif.) in 2004, completing 68.3 percent of his passes for 281.3 yards per game, 23 touchdowns and just four interceptions in nine games. He transferred to Hawaii in 2005 and went on to set an NCAA Division I-A record in career total offense per game (387.89). In three seasons at Hawaii (2005-'07), Brennan made 35 starts (in 38 games) and completed 1,115 of 1,584 pass attempts (70.4 percent) for 14,193 yards, 131 touchdowns and 42 interceptions. He also had 267 carries for 547 yards (2.1 average) and 15 touchdowns. Injuries hampered him as a senior, but he still ranked second in the nation in passing yards per game (361.9) and fifth in passer efficiency (159.8). In 12 games (11 starts), Brennan completed 359 of 510 attempts for 4,343 yards, 38 TDs and 17 interceptions. Despite an ankle injury, he also ran for eight TDs. Brennan is not as athletic or nearly as polished as Jeff Garcia. But like Garcia, he is very slightly built and has to really load up to throw the deep ball. Also like Garcia, Brennan is light on his feet and is very accurate. There's a lot to like about his confident, gun-slinging mentality. However, there also are a lot of red flags to consider when evaluating his risk-reward level, including marginal size, below-average arm strength, off-the-field history and spread system that has not translated well to the NFL in past years. Brennan isn't for every system at the next level and his ability to cut heavy winds or bad weather should be a concern, especially for teams like Baltimore and Chicago. A warm weather team operating a West Coast offensive system could consider Brennan in the middle rounds, but we wouldn't risk anything higher than a fourth round pick.

[Rastak]

Hey, I called one! Ummm, sort of..... Hey ND, give me the inside scoop....


Vikes take Sullivan, C Notre Dame:


Strengths: Looks thicker and plays bigger on film than measurables indicate. Flashes a strong punch, gets adequate hand placement and rarely loses a battle once locked on. Plays with adequate leverage when run blocking and has the lower body strength to drive defenders off the ball. While there is some concern about ability to control emotion on the field, plays with a mean streak and works from snap until whistle. Rarely takes false steps, shows adequate initial burst off the ball and generally gets into position quickly. Gets into pass set quickly and extends arms once in position. Though tends to bend at the waist rather than the knees, plays with a wide base and can generally hold ground against bull rushers. Gets adequate zip on shotgun snaps and rarely makes the quarterback adjust to the ball.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal mobility. Gets caught flat footed in space and struggles to adjust to moving targets. Frequently lunges when tries to go low and gets lazy by using too many cut blocks. On the ground too much. Takes too long to redirect in pass protection and is vulnerable to double moves. Though keeps head up, shows good awareness and can recognize line stunts as well as blitzes, over commits to original assignment at times and struggles to recover once caught out of position.

Overall: Sullivan didn't play in his first year at Notre Dame (2003). He became a starter in 2004 and didn't miss a game until the end of his senior year. He finished his career having played in 43 of a possible 45 games (41 starts), missing only the final two games of last season because of a knee injury. Sullivan doesn't have prototypical athletic ability for an NFL center and he gets caught lunging/diving at defenders too frequently in space. However, he does have the initial burst, power and tenacity to make up for that flaw. Despite a disappointing senior season at Notre Dame we still consider Sullivan as one of the top three center prospects in the 2008 class. He projects to be a mid-round pick.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/draft/2008/

@ 4-135 OG Josh Sitton Central Florida 6'3" - 324 lbs.

Three year starter on the o-line for Central Florida. Helped pave the way for Kelvin Smith to rush for 4,864 yards from 2005-07, including an NCAA best 2,567 yards and 29 touchdowns in 2007. (compensatory selection)

Versatile OL Sitton Could Enter Mix At G

** TT's movement in this Draft today:

5-137 To Minnesota Vikings for Nos. 150 & 209. Originally from St. Louis Rams with No. 217 for No. 128.

@ 5-150 OT Breno Giacomini Louisville 6'7" - 303 lbs.

All-Big East Conference second-team choice by The NFL Draft Report. Recorded 78 knockdowns and ten touchdown-resulting blocks while starting all twelve games at right tackle. (from Minnesota Vikings with No. 209 for No. 137)

** 5-162 To NY Jets with No. 113 for No. 102.

6-194 To NY Giants in 2007 trade for RB Ryan Grant.

** 7-209 (from Minnesota Vikings with No. 150 for No. 137)

** 7-217 (from St. Louis Rams with No. 137 for No. 128)

7-237

GO TT GO! :D

[HarveyWallbangers]

I love this pick! Finley is a beast. He has a great youtube video. Search his name at www.youtube.com

I had read he timed poorly, but he doesn't look slow in his video. He looks good. I'm on the bandwagon. Doesn't look like he'll be much of a blocker.

[Rastak]

Steelers take LB Humpal:


Strengths: Instinctive, reads keys and locates the ball carrier quickly. Has added substantial bulk to frame and is tall enough to continue to get bigger. Plays with good leverage, can hold ground at the point of contact and can set the edge. Keeps head up and slides off blockers to make tackles when ball carrier comes into area. Rarely takes false steps, takes excellent pursuit angles and shows better range as a run defender than timed speed indicates. Gets though traffic quickly and is relentless in pursuit. Breaks down, wraps up upon contact and is a reliable open field tackler that flashes the ability to deliver the big hit. Quicker than fast, gets good inside lean, times blitzes well and flashes the ability to get to the quarterback rushing off the edge. Gets good depth and shows good awareness when asked to drop into zone coverage.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed, takes too long to open hips and going to have problems to turning and running with tight ends. Isn't explosive coming out of cuts, appears stiff in space and is going to have problems matching up with backs underneath. Possesses limited ball skills and isn't a playmaker in coverage. Has adequate upper body strength but isn't violent with hands and takes too long to shed blocks. Sustained a season-ending back injury in 2004 and missed one game with an injury in 2006 so durability is a concern.

Overall: Humpal arrived at Iowa in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 24 games (12 starts, all in '06) and compiled 74 tackles (six for losses), three interceptions and five pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he started all 12 games and had 123 tackles (5.5 for losses), one sack, two forced fumbles, three interceptions and two pass breakups. Humpal suffered a season-ending back injury in '04 that cost him 10 games. He also missed a game in '06 because of an injury. Humpal is an instinctive and tough run defender who can find the football quickly and make the tackle. The problem is he is fairly one-dimensional at this point and he may never develop serviceable man-to-man cover skills.

[Rastak]

Hawks take long snapper.....WTF? - Schmidtt - No Bio obviously.....

[woodbuck27]

I love this pick! Finley is a beast. He has a great youtube video. Search his name at www.youtube.com

I had read he timed poorly, but he doesn't look slow in his video. He looks good. I'm on the bandwagon. Doesn't look like he'll be much of a blocker.

Jermichael Finley Height: 6-4 | Weight: 253 | 40-Time: 4.82

Official Bio

Strengths:

Has great height with the frame to get even bigger...Very athletic...Decent timed speed and quickness...Has soft, reliable hands and great ball skills...Good leaping ability and body control...Can do some damage after the catch...

Gives pretty good effort as a blocker...

Hard worker with terrific intangibles...

Still has a ton of upside.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[HarveyWallbangers]

When is the last time you can think of when we had a great athlete at TE ? I'm not sure I can think of any

Donald Lee is pretty damn athletic for a TE. I bet his measurables were comparable to this guy.

[digitaldean]

Hope they find some additional help at RB/FB.

Punters can be had as UFA's (kid from North Dak. St. or DeBauche from WI).

Would be nice to add Swan, but there is a logjam already at WR.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Steelers take LB Humpal:


Strengths: Instinctive, reads keys and locates quickly. Has added substantial bulk to frame and is tall enough to continue to get bigger. Plays with good leverage, can hold ground at the point of contact and can set the edge. Keeps head up and slides off when comes into area. Rarely takes false moves, takes excellent pursuit angles and shows better range. Gets though quickly and is relentless in pursuit. Quicker than fast, gets good inside lean, times blitzes well and flashes the ability to get to the edge. Gets good depth and shows good awareness when asked to drop into zone coverage.

Weaknesses: Takes too long to open hips and going to have problems with tight ends. Isn't explosive coming out, appears stiff in space and is going to have problems matching up with backs underneath. Possesses limited ball skills. Has adequate upper body strength but isn't violent with hands. Sustained a season-ending back injury in 2004 and missed one game with an injury in 2006 so durability is a concern.



I'm not so sure of the pick Hump All.

When you review the strengths and weaknesses he could be a mess.

[Rastak]

Browns take DT Rubin:

Strengths: Has excellent bulk, has a low center of gravity and is stout at the point of attack when gets single blocked. Quick enough for a player his size, locates the ball carrier quickly and flashes the ability to disrupt running plays in the backfield when fresh. Keeps head up, shuffles feet well enough and generally does a good job of riding the hips of pulling guards when fresh. Though doesn't show great body control in space and doesn't always break down wraps up upon contact and is an adequate open field tackler. Needs to do a better job of getting under blockers pads but drives legs one in position and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Shows adequate awareness and generally gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback.

Weaknesses: Plays with a narrow base, stands up a little too much and can get washed down the line by double teams. Shows adequate upper body strength and locks arms out once engaged but doesn't have great hand speed and generally takes too long to shed blocks. Lacks range, doesn't always take sound pursuit angles and isn't going to make many plays in pursuit. Explosiveness is adequate but not great and doesn't show great closing speed when gets a clear path to the quarterback. Takes too long to redirect, doesn't use hands all that well and doesn't show a variety of moves when rushing the passer. May carry too much weight for frame and appears to wear down at times.

Overall: Rubin attended Trinity Valley (Texas) CC in his first two years out of high school (2004-'05), moving from the defensive line to the offensive line between his first and second seasons. He transferred to Iowa State in 2006 and joined the team in August, just before the season, moving back to the defensive line. He played all 12 games as a junior, starting the last nine, and had 34 tackles (four for losses) and a sack. As a senior last season, Rubin started all 12 games and finished the season with 42 tackles (four for losses) and 1.5 sacks. Rubin isn't going to be much of a factor rushing the passer and he would likely struggle in a one-gap scheme because he lacks prototypical top-end speed and athletic ability. There are come concerns about his endurance but he has the size and quickness to develop into an effective nose tackle once he learns to stay lower to the ground and adds some lower body strength so he projects as an early second day pick.

[Gunakor]

Paul Hubbard to Browns

[Rastak]

Browns also take Hubbard WR from Wisc:


Strengths: Excellent combination of height, weight and straight-line speed. He shows enough straight-line speed to get over the top of DB's in man-coverage and his height and long arms put him in position to win most jump-ball opportunities. He's a mismatch waiting to happen in the red zone. He's not strong but he is tougher than most track stars turned WR. He isn't afraid to go over the middle and he has proven capable of making tough catches in traffic. Gives a great effort as a blocker. Not afraid to throw his body around and seems to enjoy hitting.

Weaknesses: Still raw. Needs more game experienced. Hands are inconsistent. He has big hands and will make some acrobatic catches, but he still drops too many catchable passes. Lets the ball get into his pads at times. Also needs to show better focus and look the ball in before attempting to turn up the field. Must become more adept at reading coverage and finding soft spots in zone. Route running skills must improve. He's not crisp or precise enough, especially on intermediate routes. He has good speed for his size but he's not explosive after the catch. Does not show a second-gear to run away from defenders in the open-field. Not as strong as his measurables indicate. He will get muscled around by more physical DB's. Needs to improve his strength and add more variety to his release moves off the line of scrimmage. Effort is outstanding as a blocker but he needs to take better angles. Durability is also a concern following knee injury in 2007.

Overall: Hubbard redshirted his first year at Wisconsin (2003). In the next three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 27 games (13 starts, all in '06) and grabbed 39 receptions for 631 yards (16.2 average) and five touchdowns. He missed the second half of one game in 2006 after a big hit. His senior year was marred by a knee injury that cost him five games. He finished the season with 14 receptions for 305 yards in eight games (all starts). Hubbard also was the Big Ten indoor and outdoor long jump champ and a member of the Badgers' championship outdoor 400-meter relay team that year. Hubbard, who had almost no game experience prior to his breakout season in 2006, is still a work in progress. A track star turned football player, Hubbard's routes need polishing and he must continue to improve his hands. However, his size-to-speed ratio is outstanding and he flashes some game-breaking qualities. With that in mind, Hubbard is flying under the radar but we think he could be worth the risk as a developmental project in the third-to-fourth round range.

[Rastak]

Vikes should grab an OT this pick.......Barton I say.......

[Rastak]

Chargers take "Trouble with" Tribble:


Strengths: Explodes out of cuts, is fluid and shows above-average short-area man-to-man cover skills. Gets good knee bend in backpedal and closes quickly when going forward. Aggressive when the ball is in the air, catches the ball fairly well and can be a playmaker in coverage. Plays with a mean streak, takes sound pursuit angles and is more effective in run support than size would suggest. Takes the shortest path to the ball and flashes the ability to make plays in the backfield. As a return man, doesn't have breakaway speed but shows good vision, can make the first defender miss, reaches top speed quickly and is fast enough to go a long way when gets a seam. Has experience kicks and can contribute on coverage teams.

Weaknesses: Takes too long to open hips, lacks ideal top-end speed and is vulnerable to getting beat deep when left on an island. Though times jumps well and is an above-average leaper, is short and should have problems competing for jump balls working against bigger receivers. Lacks ideal upper body strength, doesn't have great size and should have problems rerouting receivers at the line of scrimmage. Can be overaggressive, gambles at times and lacks the second gear to recover when gets caught out of position at the second level. Occasionally loses focus and drops some passes that should catch. Doesn't use hands particularly well and takes too long to shed blocks when reached by blocker. Missed a 2005 game with a hamstring injury and underwent arthroscopic surgery on left knee in 2006. Sprained medial collateral ligament in right knee during a 2007-practice, missed three games with the injury and lack of size makes durability an even bigger concern. Involved in an incident with police in 2005, charged with assault and battery for involvement in a nightclub incident in August of 2007 and character needs to be investigated.

Overall: Tribble arrived at Boston College in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-06), he played in 35 games (26 starts) and had 135 tackles (eight for losses), two forced fumbles, 14 pass breakups and 11 interceptions, three of which he returned for touchdowns (all in 2006). As a senior last season, he started all 11 games in which he appeared, turning in 35 tackles (two for losses), four interceptions and eight pass breakups. For his career, Tribble also had 16 kickoff returns for 335 yards (20.9 average) and 55 punt returns for 521 yards (9.5 average) and two touchdowns. In 2007, he suffered a right knee MCL sprain and missed three games. In '06 he missed a start because of a left knee bruise that required arthroscopic surgery after the season. In 2005, he missed one game because of a hamstring pull. Tribble also was involved in off-field incidents that led to his being charged with two counts of assault and battery (2007) and being detained by police along with former Eagles basketball player Sean Williams, who was in possession of debit cards that didn't belong to him (2005). Tribble has the burst, instincts and athletic ability to develop into a decent starter or excellent sub-package corner and he can contribute on returns. However, he doesn't have great size or elite speed so he could have problems holding his own on an island when lined up on the outside at the NFL level. In addition, he's had some problems staying healthy and out of trouble off the field. As a result, Tribble projects as a late-fourth or early fifth-round pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Browns take DT Rubin

Thought this guy fit our scheme.

[Rastak]

Vikes take WR Jaymar Johnson: No Bio

[pbmax]

Campen is on the JSO blog with Bedard saying he might play at tackle as well as center/guard. He will be busy.

[The Leaper]

With 3 seventh rounders, I would seriously consider taking a flier on Ike at CB. He fits our defensive system, as he excelled at press coverage in college. He likely would have been a 3rd-4th round pick without his injury.

[woodbuck27]

http://static.nfl.com/draft/tracker#tab:dt-by-team|team-gb

An NFL.COM update to this point in the 2008 Draft for THE GREEN BAY PACKERS:

PACKERS Needs Analysis:

For a team that had the top offense in the NFC, the Packers still have several offensive needs. Brett Favre's retirement leaves a huge hole at QB. Aaron Rodgers assumes the starting role, but the Packers lack an adequate backup and Rodgers has shown in limited playing time that he can be injury-prone. The loss of Bubba Franks creates a void at the backup TE spot and with both starting OTs in their 30s, the team could use a young tackle. Defensively, the Packers need another cornerback. Al Harris and Charles Woodson are aging and the young reserves have not shown they are capable of starting.


Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College

Round 2, Pick 5 (36) (From Jets) Jordy Nelson WR 6'3" 217 Kansas State

Pick Analysis: After playing defense as a sophomore, Nelson moved to receiver and caught 122 passes in 2007. He can also be dangerous in the return game with track speed. The Packers liked his hands and speed in pads.

Round 2, Pick 25 (56) (From Browns) Brian Brohm QB 6'3" 227 Louisville

Pick Analysis: If you're Aaron Rodgers, you're probably scratching your head right about now. The Packers are looking to add a little competition to this year's training camp in order to motivate Brett Favre's successor. In his senior year at Louisville, Brohm improved his numbers from the season before, which seems to bode well for his ability to improve going forward.

Round 2, Pick 29 (60) Patrick Lee DB 6'0" 200 Auburn

Pick Analysis: With some age on their cornerbacks, the Packers went with Lee. He will have a chance to learn from veterans Charles Woodson and Al Harris, while slowly working into the rotation. Lee deflected 20 passes to go with five interceptions.

Round 3, Pick 28 (91) Jermichael Finley TE 6'5" 243 Texas

Pick Analysis: Finley has a lot of potential, but is somewhat immature and needs time to develop. He was an outstanding basketball player in high school and there is a tradition of tight ends with a basketball past becoming great players in the NFL.

Round 4, Pick 3 (102) Jeremy Thompson DE 6'5" 264 Wake Forest

Pick Analysis: Thompson holds Wake Forest's record for an interception return at 86 yards. He is a great prospect at this point in the draft. Thompson ranked much higher than this on many draft boards.

Round 4, Pick 36 (135) (Compensatory selection) Josh Sitton OT 6'4" 319 Central Florida

Pick Analysis: Sitton is a player that was discovered at Pro Day. There were a lot of scouts down there at Central Florida to watch Kevin Smith and he really impressed the teams. This is a good spot for him to go in the draft as his measurables had him soaring up draft boards.

Round 5, Pick 15 (150) (From Vikings) Breno Giacomini OT 6'7" 303 Louisville

Pick Analysis: Giacomini spent time at tight end and on the offensive line in college, which you can see in his knee bend and athletic ability. He has exceptional size and decent speed. Giacomini loves football and has a passion for the game. He's a project but has a great attitude and promising skills.

Round 7, Pick 2 (209) (From Rams through Vikings)

Round 7, Pick 30 (237)

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Gunakor]

With 3 seventh rounders, I would seriously consider taking a flier on Ike at CB. He fits our defensive system, as he excelled at press coverage in college. He likely would have been a 3rd-4th round pick without his injury.


Ike went to the Iggles, he is off the board

[Rastak]

Steelers take C Mundy - No Bio

[Lurker64]

Jaymar Johnson? Another Jackson state guy? Do the Vikes just scout that school really closely?

[The Leaper]

Ike went to the Iggles, he is off the board

Damn...he went early! I checked the 5th and 6th rounds and didn't see him. I'm surprised he went in the 4th.

[Rastak]

Jaymar Johnson? Another Jackson state guy? Do the Vikes just scout that school really closely?


What exactly are you talking about with Jackson State? I believe he's the first guy they have from that school.

[RashanGary]

Too many projects for my taste. I esspecially don't like using a 2nd on a project at CB. That's why you bring in guys like Tramon Williams - projects that don't cost anything.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Funny. This was on rivals.com about Jeremy Thompson. He has an exceptional 10-yard dash.
:D


Murphy: Thompson provides the Packers with another solid pass rusher off the bench. He has the ability to start at the NFL level. His 10-yard time of 1.53 was as good as Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, who both went in the top-10 picks.

[Rastak]

Phins take OG Thomas:
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trengths: Takes sound angles to blocks and gets into position quickly. Stays low to the ground, drives legs once in position and flashes the ability to root defenders off the ball. Does a nice job of climbing up to second level and explodes upon contact with linebackers. Moves adequately and is able to get out and pull around edge. Shuffles feet extremely well and can redirect in pass protection. While lacks ideal size, gets adequate knee bend in pass sets and can stand ground working against bull rushers. Possesses a quick punch and can jar defenders in pass protection. Does a nice job of recovering when rushers get into him by sinking hips and using his strength to gets back into position.

Weaknesses: Does not possess elite initial quickness and could have problems preventing penetration working against one-gap defenders. Does not possess elite lower body strength and isn't going to get much movement in short-yardage situations. Struggles to adjust on the fly and can have problems reaching moving targets in space. Footwork is inconsistent and lunges at times. Hands slide outside the defender's frame too much and can struggle to sustain blocks as a result. Didn't crack the starting lineup until late in the 2006 season and is still somewhat raw. Charged with assault in the third degree and breach of peace in 2006, Connecticut suspended him for two games as a result and character is a concern. While durability isn't a substantial issue, it's worth noting that he tweaked his knee in the Hula Bowl.

Overall: Thomas enrolled at UConn in 2003 but didn't play football. He joined the football team in 2004 and redshirted the season. He played in all 11 games in 2005, serving as the wedge-buster on kickoffs. In 2006, he appeared in 10 games and earned his first start, at left guard. As a senior in 2007, he started all 13 games at right guard. Thomas is a late-bloomer whose stock has steadily risen over the last year and for good reason. He's emerged as a tough drive blocker who plays bigger than his size would indicate and has the natural ability to develop into an effective pass blocker. However, Thomas isn't fundamentally sound, his lack of size is still reason for concern and questions linger about his 2006 arrest so he projects as a sixth round pick.

[Rastak]

Colts take TE Santi:


Strengths: Takes sound angles to blocks, has adequate initial quickness and gets into position quickly. Gets adequate hand placement, he moves feet and fights to sustain blocks once in position. Shows good body control in space and can get into position at the second level. Footwork is sound and runs adequate short-to-intermediate routes. Appears to read defenses well and can locate soft spots when sees zone coverage. Has adequate top-end speed and flashes the ability to work the seam. Runs hard and flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact. Can line up at fullback and has the potential to develop into an effective role player in a scheme that uses H-Backs. Has experience lining up wide and is versatile. Has experience blocking for kickoff returns and can contribute on special teams. Missed one game with an injury in 2007 but has been durable otherwise.

Weaknesses: Doesn't deliver a violent punch, doesn't roll hips into blocks and isn't going to knock many defenders off the ball. Lacks ideal lower body strength, plays a little too high and isn't a great in-line blocker. Lets the ball get to pads far too often, appears to lose focus at times and drops too many passes should catch. Takes too long to change directions and lacks the burst to consistently separate from man coverage. Doesn't use hands well, lacks the quick feet to avoid contact at the line of scrimmage and struggles to get open when gets jammed. Doesn't have breakaway speed, isn't going to make many defenders miss and isn't much of a threat to turn a catch underneath into a long gain.

Overall: Santi appeared in 34 games (20 starts) in his first three seasons at Virginia (2004-06), compiling 61 receptions for 766 yards (12.6 average) and three touchdowns. As a senior, he started in eight of 12 games and had 36 catches for 418 yards (11.6 average) and three touchdowns. He also played some fullback and contributed on special teams during his career with the Cavaliers. Santi missed one game in 2005 because of an injury and another in 2007 because of an ankle sprain. Santi isn't a strong drive blocker and he isn't going to make many highlight reels so he projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent. That being said, he has the potential to develop into a valuable backup because he is versatile, he's a reliable short-to-intermediate receiver and he's big enough to develop into an effective blocker.

[digitaldean]

Funny. This was on rivals.com about Jeremy Thompson. He has an exceptional 10-yard dash.
:D


Murphy: Thompson provides the Packers with another solid pass rusher off the bench. He has the ability to start at the NFL level. His 10-yard time of 1.53 was as good as Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, who both went in the top-10 picks.

With my bum knee, I actually might make the 10 yard dash. :lol: :lol:

[Rastak]

Funny. This was on rivals.com about Jeremy Thompson. He has an exceptional 10-yard dash.
:D


Murphy: Thompson provides the Packers with another solid pass rusher off the bench. He has the ability to start at the NFL level. His 10-yard time of 1.53 was as good as Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, who both went in the top-10 picks.

How is his 3 yard dash? :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too many projects for my taste. I esspecially don't like using a 2nd on a project at CB. That's why you bring in guys like Tramon Williams - projects that don't cost anything.

I don't consider Lee a project. He started a lot of games in the best conference in college football. Sure, his best football is ahead of him, but can't you say that about most guys. A project is Mike Hawkins.

[Carolina_Packer]

With 3 seventh rounders, I would seriously consider taking a flier on Ike at CB. He fits our defensive system, as he excelled at press coverage in college. He likely would have been a 3rd-4th round pick without his injury.

I thought Ike was going back to college for another year.

[Rastak]

Pats take LB Ruud:



Strengths: Possesses good height, adequate bulk and room on his frame to get bigger. Also possesses good straight-line speed for his size. Very instinctive and gets quicker breaks on the ball than most at his position. Takes solid angles in pursuit, consistently breaks down in space and plays under control. Does a very good job of tackling low and shows adequate power at the point of attack. Does not miss many open field tackles. Displays good instincts and shows good awareness in zone coverage. Closes quickly on the ball in front of him and will separate the receiver from the ball with initial pop. Also displays better-than-average ball skills in coverage. Has some potential as a pass rusher and uses his straight-line burst and power to occasionally make plays in that facet of the game. He's a hard worker with great passion for football.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal athleticism. Has good straight-line speed but is stiff in his hips. The more space he's in the less effective he becomes. He struggles to change directions quickly and will not be able to match up versus most RB's in man-to-man coverage. Not an explosive hitter and seems to lack ideal power with his hand punch. Slightly undersized and needs to improve bulk in order to hold up as a strong-side LB in the NFL. Also must improve his hands and consistency when attempting to shed blocks. Slowed by a knee injury last year and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: Ruud arrived at Nebraska in 2003 and redshirted the year. He appeared in 36 games (23 starts) in his first three active seasons (2004-'06), recording 162 tackles (21 for losses), 4.5 sacks and three interceptions. As a senior in 2007, he played in 11 games (10 starts) and had 54 tackles (four for losses), two forced fumbles, three pass breakups and two interceptions (both of which he returned for touchdowns). Ruud missed the Cornhuskers' final two games last season because of a knee injury. He also sat out the Alamo Bowl against Michigan in 2005 after suffering a broken arm in practice. His father, Tom, and brother, Barrett, played linebacker at Nebraska and in the NFL. Two of Ruud's uncles and his great-grandfather also played for the Cornhuskers. Ruud spent the first four years of his career at Nebraska at WILL linebacker before moving to SAM linebacker prior to his senior season in 2007. In our opinion, Ruud's best shot of making it in the NFL is to bulk up and remain on the strong-side. While he may never be a fulltime starter, he does have some versatility as a potential reserve linebacker and he also has the right tough-guy mentality to contribute on special teams so he projects as late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Gaints take Woodson (at last) QB:

Strengths: Possesses prototypical NFL quarterback size. Is tall with adequate bulk and room on his frame to add 10 more pounds. Has proven to be extremely accurate. Displays very good touch and timing. Possesses very good arm strength (just a notch below elite level such as JaMarcus Russell). Can drive the ball downfield vertically and can fit the ball into tight spots in the intermediate passing game. Gets great zip on deep-out throws. Is competitive and has proven capable of leading his team from behind (Louisville and LSU in 2007). Teammates believe in him. Is tough; will stand in the pocket and take a hit when following through on a throw when necessary. He has been durable throughout his career. While he lacks ideal quickness, he does build speed as he goes and he also gets set quickly on drops.

Weaknesses: His delivery is too slow. Dips the ball before throwing it and takes too long to get from start to finish. Still makes some questionable decisions. Is improved in this area but still tries to force too many throws. He gets happy feet in the pocket, pats the ball a lot when he doesn't know where to go with it and will telegraph some of his throws, as a result. Needs to do a better job of reading coverages while dropping. Lacks ideal mobility. Not a very sudden athlete. Does not buy much extra time with his feet and he won't ever be much of a running threat. It seems on film like he has small hands? Has some trouble controlling the ball at times and doesn't always seem comfortable selling pump fakes.

Overall: Woodson was redshirted in 2003. In his four active seasons at Kentucky (2004-'07), he played 44 games (38 starts) and completed 791 passes on 1,278 attempts (61.9 percent) for 9,360 yards and 79 touchdowns compared to 25 interceptions. Woodson also rushed for five touchdowns. As a senior, his 40 touchdown passes set school and SEC records. He finished the year with 327 completions on 518 attempts (63.1 percent), 3,709 passing yards and just 11 interceptions. Woodson has prototypical size, excellent arm strength and good accuracy as a passer. He also is a proven playmaker in the clutch. However, Woodson has a hitch in his delivery and it takes him too long to get rid of the ball. With the speed in the NFL and the defensive backs' ability to break on and attack the ball, Woodson needs to get this fixed or he risks getting a lot of his out routes taken back the other way for defensive scores. Furthermore, while he has made significant strides mentally, Woodson still needs to break some bad habits, such as locking on to primary target too frequently. Woodson still has enough upside to emerge as a solid NFL starter but he must find a way to speed up his delivery without affecting his accuracy as a passer  much easier said than done. Woodson's stock has taken a sizeable hit from early in his senior season, when he was soaring up draft boards following big performances versus Louisville, Arkansas and LSU. Woodson is a bit of an enigma right now but he should come off the board in the second-to-third round range.

[digitaldean]

QB Woodson to the Giants

[HarveyWallbangers]

Finley's highlight reel didn't look that impressive to me. And he doesn't look 6-4 and 1/2 either.

Take a look at this video. First play when he walks back to the huddle, he looks pretty damn tall. Close to the same size as the OL, and much bigger than the other guys.

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/nfldraftteam.asp?Team=23

[Gunakor]

Woodson taken at #198..... Tom Brady was taken at #199 :?:

[Rastak]

Giants take DE Henderson: - No Bio

[Fosco33]

Colts have 3 of the next 5 picks... guess they need some bodies.

[Rastak]

Hey Lurker, were you thinking Alabama State?


Jaymar is a 4.34 5'11 speed guy. Mayock said he caught everything thrown him at the combine. I guess they liked what they saw for a late round flyer.

[Rastak]

Eagles take LB Mays NDSU: (Hey Harv, give us the low down).....no Bio

[Fosco33]

Well, Lynch went to the Bengals - he could be a surprise safety.

I'm hoping for Campbell (S-Army) with one of the 7ths.

[Deputy Nutz]

Too many projects for my taste. I esspecially don't like using a 2nd on a project at CB. That's why you bring in guys like Tramon Williams - projects that don't cost anything.

Why is he a project? This is your one opinion and you seem to really stick to it. I think I have heard you mention it 10 or 15 times already.

[The Leaper]

Maybe Thompson takes a punter to give Ryan some competition?

[BallHawk]

New York likes Kentucky QBs.

The Pillsbury Throwboy has a friend. :lol:

[The Leaper]

Colts snag Mike Hart.

[Rastak]

Colts take C Justice:

Strengths: Fires out of stance with excellent initial quickness. Rarely takes false steps and can get into position quickly. Moves well laterally and flashes the ability to reach defenders lined up over outside shoulder. Takes sound angles to blocks, shows good body control when adjusting to moving targets in space and gets into position at the second level. Gets adequate hand placement, locks onto defender's frames and flashes the ability to sustain. Works from snap to whistle and looks to hit people downfield. Keeps head up shows good awareness and can adjusts to line stunts and blitzes. Has active feet and flashes the ability to redirect in pass protection. Puts good zip on shotgun snaps and is accurate.

Weaknesses: Isn't explosive, doesn't deliver a violent initial punch and isn't going to knock many defenders back. Leaves his feet too much. Does not show good lower body strength, isn't going to drive two-gap defenders off the ball and is far more effective when isn't covered. Frequently fails to extend arms when combo blocking and doesn't do a great job of helping guards. Plays with a narrow base and occasionally slips off blocks. Stays low when gets into pass set and flashes ability to hold ground but is undersized and is going to have problems holding ground against bull rushers.

Overall: Justice arrived at Wake Forest in 2003 and was redshirted. He appeared in 50 games in four years for the Demon Deacons (2004-'07), closing out his career with 39 consecutive starts dating back to 2005, when he won the starting job. As a senior, Justice received the ACC's Jacobs Blocking Trophy, awarded annually to the league's top lineman. Justice is a blue-collar player that uses quick feet, technique and work ethic to mask his lack of ideal size, power and explosiveness. Though he is not an ideal fit for every team, Justice displays enough potential to develop into a starter for a zone-blocking offense (Examples: Broncos, Colts, Packers and Texans). Those teams should consider Justice a good value early on Day 2.

[Rastak]

As mentioned Colts take Hart:

Strengths: A gifted natural runner. One of the most competitive prospects in this class, regardless of position. Is patient but doesn't dance. Once he finds the crease he shows adequate initial burst and is very aggressive. Possesses outstanding vision and instincts as a runner. Does a great job of finding front-side and back-side lanes in zone-blocking scheme. He's slippery and doesn't take a lot of clean hits on his body. Runs with excellent body control and balance, which allows him to protect his body and change directions quickly. Runs hard for his size and will break more open field tackles than his measurables would indicate. Displays soft hands as a receiver and has upside in that department. He does an exceptional job with ball security. His fumbles versus Florida in 2007-'08 Gator Bowl and vs. Ball State in November of 2006 were his only two since 2004. He is a very hard worker with great character. Team seems to really rally around him.

Weaknesses: Lack of size is his biggest weakness. He lacks ideal height and bulk, especially in his lower-body. Runs hard but lacks the size and power to push the pile on short-yardage runs. Does not appear on film to be as fast as his 40-time might indicate. Clearly lacks the second-gear to run away from defenders once he hits the second-level. Will get tracked down in the open field by faster defenders. Saw more playing time on passing downs early in career but scheme change and durability concerns led to a reduced role as a receiver. Lack of size limits him as a blocker in pass pro. Simply overwhelmed at times by bigger blitzing LB's. Durability has been an issue and is especially concerning considering his below-average size.

Overall: During his first three seasons (2004-'06), Hart appeared in 33 games (29 starts) and had 3,679 yards and 27 touchdowns on 750 carries (4.9 average). He also had 59 receptions for 516 yards and two touchdowns in that period. As a senior in 2007, he had 1,419 yards and 14 touchdowns on 265 carries (5.1 average) in 10 games, adding eight receptions for 50 yards (6.2 average). Hart missed four-plus games in 2005 because of hamstring and ankle injuries. He also missed two games as a senior because of a right ankle sprain. Hart is one of the tougher prospects in this year's class to evaluate. On one hand, his measurables do not line up with most NFL scouting standards and his history of injuries raise a big red flag. On the other hand, his production can't be ignored and his competitiveness is infectious. Michigan implemented zone-blocking scheme in 2006 that clearly played to Hart's strengths as a patient runner with excellent vision. He would fit best in a similar scheme at the next level. Hart may never be a fulltime starter but he is versatile enough to contribute in several areas while serving primarily as a change-of-pace backup running back in the NFL. Regardless, Hart projects as a third round pick in the 2008 draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Eagles take LB Mays NDSU: (Hey Harv, give us the low down).....no Bio

Hard nosed kid out of Wisconsin, I believe. Maybe Milwaukee. Great tackler. Smart. Not very big. I'm surprised he got drafted though because he didn't run that well at his pro day, and I thought he'd have to run well to get drafted.

[Rastak]

New York likes Kentucky QBs.

The Pillsbury Throwboy has a friend. :lol:


Where the hell have you been? :wink:

[Rastak]

Eagles take DE Studebaker.....what a name.....no Bio

[Lurker64]

Indy is a good fit for Hart.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Packers take a Center/Long Snapper??

or RB??

or LB??

[BallHawk]

New York likes Kentucky QBs.

The Pillsbury Throwboy has a friend. :lol:


Where the hell have you been? :wink:

The beaches of sunny Florida.....

[Rastak]

New York likes Kentucky QBs.

The Pillsbury Throwboy has a friend. :lol:


Where the hell have you been? :wink:

The beaches of sunny Florida.....


You bum.

[Rastak]

Phins take RB Hilliard - No Bio

[CaliforniaCheez]

New York likes Kentucky QBs.

The Pillsbury Throwboy has a friend. :lol:


Where the hell have you been? :wink:

The beaches of sunny Florida.....


You bum.

89 degrees today. Having a cigar by the pool.

[Partial]

Ike Ike Ike Ike Ike!!!@

[HarveyWallbangers]

Eagles take LB Mays NDSU: (Hey Harv, give us the low down).....no Bio

Hard nosed kid out of Wisconsin, I believe. Maybe Milwaukee. Great tackler. Smart. Not very big. I'm surprised he got drafted though because he didn't run that well at his pro day, and I thought he'd have to run well to get drafted.

Forgot to add that he's a big hitter. Sounds like the Eagles are moving him to FB. Makes sense. Similar to us moving Korey Hall from LB to FB. Good football player.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Ike Ike Ike Ike Ike!!!@


Who???

[Partial]

Ike Ike Ike Ike Ike!!!@


Who???

Ikegwuonu to the Pack hopefully!!

[digitaldean]

If you mean Ike from WI, he got picked by the Eagles in round 4.

[Partial]

If you mean Ike from WI, he got picked by the Eagles in round 4.

Nevermind then. I thought everyone said he'd go undrafted. Cool.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wouldn't mind the Packers taking Chauncey Washington.

[Gunakor]

Ike Ike Ike Ike Ike!!!@


Who???

Ikegwuonu to the Pack hopefully!!


He went #131 to Philadelphia.

[Rastak]

Colts WR Garcon:


trengths: Shows solid initial quickness and can drive corners back off the line of scrimmage. Shows good burst getting out of breaks and runs routes with excellent body control. Adjusts to poorly thrown balls. Runs by defenders at the Division III level and tracks the deep ball extremely well. Times jumps well, does a sound job of high-pointing the football and competes for jump balls despite lack of ideal height. Is able and willing to go over the middle and make the tough catch in traffic. Runs hard and flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact. Has experience returning punts and shows good vision in that role.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite top-end speed and is going to have a much harder time getting behind NFL defenses. Lacks the elusiveness to make many defenders miss in the open field and isn't much of a threat to go the distance after the catch. A bit tight in the hips and does not change directions extremely well. Raw with his route running, as the majority of his routes were shallow crosses and bubble screens in college. Lacks elite awareness and doesn't always get head turned around in time to locate the ball. Hands are inconsistent and he drops what should be routine catches at times. Lacks elite size, doesn't get great hand placement and is an inconsistent blocker. Played at a Division III school and there are concerns about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level. Missed time with an injury in 2005 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Garcon began his career at Norwich (Vermont) University in 2004, grabbing 44 receptions for 1,017 yards (23.1 average) and 13 touchdowns in his only season with the Cadets. He hit the ground running after transferring to Mount Union in 2005, racking up 135 receptions for 2,408 yards (17.8 average) and 33 touchdowns. In 14 games as a senior in 2007, Garcon had 67 catches for 955 yards (14.3 average) and 14 touchdowns. In three seasons with the Purple Raiders, he added 176 rushing yards and four TDs on 19 attempts (9.3 average); 20 kickoff returns for 491 yards (24.6 average) and a score; and seven punt returns for 51 yards (7.3 average). Garcon missed nearly four full games in 2005 because of an injury. He also was a member of Mount Union's outdoor track team, and in 2006 ran a leg on the D-III national championship outdoor 4x100 relay team. Garcon has a lot to prove coming from such a small school and he lacks elite top-end speed. But he dominated at the Division III level and he's big, fast and versatile enough to land a roster spot with a strong training camp. He projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Ravens S Nakamura - No Bio

[Rastak]

Bengals TE Sherry:


Strengths: Reaches top speed quickly once off the line, does an adequate job of tracking the ball downfield and can work the seam. Changes directions well, shows decent burst coming out of cuts and can separate from man coverage. Tall enough to compete for jump balls, flashes the ability to catch the ball in traffic and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target. Gets adequate hand placement and flashes the ability to lock onto defenders.

Weaknesses: Undersized for an in-line blocker, doesn't have great lower body strength and can driven back. Takes too many false steps, lacks ideal initial quickness and struggles to get into position. Doesn't deliver a powerful punch or roll hips into blocks and isn't going to jar many defenders at the point of contact. Doesn't use hands well, struggles to get a clean release working against press coverage and gets muscled out of routes. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Sherry redshirted his first season at Villanova (2003). In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 33 games (seven starts) and had 52 receptions for 598 yards (11.5 average) and four touchdowns. As a senior, he started all 11 games and finished the season with team highs of 37 receptions and 461 yards (12.5 average), plus five TDs. Sherry is fast and athletic enough to develop into a productive situational receiving tight end but he is one-dimensional and it's imperative he get stronger so he projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Last round..................

With no picks as mentioned on NFL network, I bet the Vikes are working the phones for Undrafted Free Agents......

[CaliforniaCheez]

Ike Ike Ike Ike Ike!!!@


Who???

Ikegwuonu to the Pack hopefully!!


He went #131 to Philadelphia.

That was a long time ago!!

Some join the party late.

[Deputy Nutz]

If you mean Ike from WI, he got picked by the Eagles in round 4.

Nevermind then. I thought everyone said he'd go undrafted. Cool.

Maybe now he will sign that jockstrap of his that you have been smelling every night before you fall asleep.

Ike isn't going to sign anyways. He is too good for the fourth round, remember?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Last round..................

With no picks as mentioned on NFL network, I bet the Vikes are working the phones for Undrafted Free Agents......

I'm sure most teams are doing this. They can't actually sign until the draft is over.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The parents of the unknown OT from Louisville are both from Brazil. We had the Puerto Rican G in Marco Rivera. Now, this guy. Latin flavor. He seems like a card. Another goofy OL from Louisville. He had this to say:


(What did you talk about with Jason Spitz?) Everything is great things. He likes playing up there, he likes the coaching staff, he likes the players, he likes the area. I know it's cold, but he's from Jacksonville, he wasn't used to that, but I'm sure he's gotten used to it. I'm from Boston, so I'm used to cold. But he just says all great things about up there.

[Rastak]

Last round..................

With no picks as mentioned on NFL network, I bet the Vikes are working the phones for Undrafted Free Agents......

I'm sure most teams are doing this. They can't actually sign until the draft is over.


Oh I agree, they all call....it's just teams that are concentrating on their final picks are doing just that.....

Either way, these guys wait for the most cash before signing so I would guess it isn;t a big advantage.

[Carolina_Packer]

We're up, who do you hope for? Ali Highsmith?

[CaliforniaCheez]

At 209
The Packers grab the great and wonderful

QB Matt Flyn

[Rastak]

Bears take DE Baldwin - No Bio

[digitaldean]

Another QB?/

[Carolina_Packer]

Right school, wrong guy.

[Rastak]

Pack takes QB Flynn as mentioned:


Strengths: Is smooth getting set up, keeps the ball high when dropping back and displays a relatively quick delivery. While needs to work on consistency when trying to lead receivers underneath, is fairly accurate and isn't going to miss the open man very much. Has excellent touch and does a good job of taking some zip off underneath passes. Shows adequate poise and does a fine job of surveying the field when gets time. Mobile enough to get outside the pocket and can throw accurately on the run. Tough, flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact and can be effective running quarterback keepers. Lacks elite elusiveness but has good top-end speed and flashes the ability to break long runs when nothing is available downfield. Is a hard worker on as well as off the field and should only get better with added experience. Has always been prepared as a backup and is a team before self type of player. Had best game of the year against Ohio State in the national championship game and doesn't appear to wilt in high-pressure situations.

Weaknesses: Size is adequate but not ideal and has to move around to create passing windows. Does a good job of stepping into throws but lacks elite arm strength and is going to have a difficult time making certain NFL throws. Is still learning to read defenses and must do a better job of recognizing the blitz and beating it with his arm rather than his feet. Has a tendency to pat the ball and would benefit from quickening release. Holds onto the ball too long and takes too many big sacks. Missed two games with a high-ankle sprain that hindered him for much of the year and durability is a concern. .

Overall: After a redshirt year in 2003, Flynn appeared in 17 games (one start) for LSU over the next three seasons (2004-'06), completing 43 of 78 pass attempts (55.1 percent) for 689 yards, 10 touchdowns and two interceptions. He played in 21 other games during that span as the Tigers' holder on placekicks. As a senior, Flynn became the full-time starter, completing 202 of 359 pass attempts (56.3 percent) for 2,407 yards, 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He also ran for 215 yards (2.2 average) and four TDs. He suffered a high-ankle sprain in September and missed two games. Flynn's lack of prototypical arm strength, his inexperience and his problems staying healthy are all reasons for concern. However, he does possess adequate-to-good size, he's athletic and he's shown signs of developing into an excellent game manager. As a result, he's worth taking a chance on as a late-round developmental project.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Oh poor Jerry Babb......

[Rastak]

QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.

[Rastak]

KC takes DE Johnston - No Bio

[Scott Campbell]

QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.


I told Tex they might draft another QB.

[pbmax]

They offered him a contract last week and he left without signing it. So there is only a small chance that offer still stands.


QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.

[Carolina_Packer]

Curious/Interesting choice. I thought they might take a longshot guys like the RB from Chadron St. or an Ali Highsmith who might be a special teams ace. Not sure they needed Flynn, but obviously they liked him.

[Rastak]

Jets take OT Garner: - No Bio

[HarveyWallbangers]

I sort of called this one also. I'm on fire. Well, for me.
:D


Potential late round picks that are the most intriguing to me (in no particular order) = Matt Flynn, Kyle Wright, Paul Smith, Dennis Dixon.


Intriguing DEs include Jeremy Thompson, Chris Ellis, and Brian Johnston.

Sort of called Patrick Lee also.

If they draft Chauncey Washington or Cory Boyd or Mike Dragosavich, I'll officially be EN FUEGO.

:wave:

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.

Culpepper played hard to get. That flirtation was almost over as soon as it started.

[MadtownPacker]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.

[Rastak]

QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.

Culpepper played hard to get. That flirtation was almost over as soon as it started.


Mort said they offered him a contract...I guess he turned it down......

[Rastak]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.


Mort said as reported by someone else here that he indeed was offered a contract.

[Deputy Nutz]

Great pick up in the 7th. I like the guy for the west coast. doesn't have the strongest arm but can make all the throws. Thompson pretty much solidified the QB position, especially if he brings in a veteran to compete.

Thompson is following what Ron Wolf did in the early 90s to a "T". He went young with Favre, Brunnell, and BYU fella that I can't think of right now.

[MadtownPacker]

The QB position is set IMO. Keep all 3 no matter what. See how it plays out. Likely what Thompson is doing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought this might go this route earlier this week. Never though Brohm would fall, so that makes it even better.

The QB guru, McCarthy, has a lot to work with.
:D

[pbmax]

JSO had that as well, but its clear by now that he didn't sign it. And I think it may be off the table now.



Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.


Mort said as reported by someone else here that he indeed was offered a contract.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Great pick up in the 7th. I like the guy for the west coast. doesn't have the strongest arm but can make all the throws. Thompson pretty much solidified the QB position, especially if he brings in a veteran to compete.

Thompson is following what Ron Wolf did in the early 90s to a "T". He went young with Favre, Brunnell, and BYU fella that I can't think of right now.

Ty Detmer. Kurt Warner was also a camp body one of those years when those 3 were on the team.

[digitaldean]

Great pick up in the 7th. I like the guy for the west coast. doesn't have the strongest arm but can make all the throws. Thompson pretty much solidified the QB position, especially if he brings in a veteran to compete.

Thompson is following what Ron Wolf did in the early 90s to a "T". He went young with Favre, Brunnell, and BYU fella that I can't think of right now.
Detmer = BYU fella

[Rastak]

Falcons take CB Fontenot:


Strengths: Displays smooth quick feet as well as natural knee bend with backpedal. Shows fluid hips and able to change directions smoothly. Displays adequate top-end speed and does a nice job of staying on the hip of receivers on go routes. Excels in zone coverage and displays an understanding of how offenses are trying to attack the coverage. Reads quarterbacks' eyes and breaks on the ball well. Does a solid job of mid-pointing the high-low routes in his zones and forces the QB to take the underneath route. Is an adequate tackler in the open field. Has adequate ball skills and flashes the ability to make plays in coverage. Has experience returning punts and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks overall size and strength. He struggles to ward off blocks and does not give adequate production in run support. Struggles against bigger receivers as they are able to shield with bigger body and make reception. He lacks overall toughness and aggressiveness when competing for the ball. Allows too much separation coming out of cuts and needs to improve overall man coverage skills. Also his lack of strength does not allow him to get adequate jam on receivers at the line of scrimmage. Underwent shoulder surgery late in 2006 and missed 2007 spring practices as a result so durability is a concern.

Overall: Fontenot arrived at Arizona in 2003 and redshirted his first year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he amassed 134 tackles, one forced fumble, 18 pass breakups and four interceptions (including one returned for a touchdown) in 34 games. As a senior in 2007, he had 40 tackles, one interception and seven pass breakups. Fontenot started every game during his Wildcats career (46). He underwent shoulder surgery before the '07 season, but he missed no game reps as a result. Fontenot has played the shadow teammate CB Antoine Cason and his size puts a lower cap on his upside but he has the speed and instincts to develop into an adequate reserve at the next level. He projects as a seventh round pick as a result.

[pbmax]

The bio says he lacks elite size and might have to move around to find a passing lane. He is the same height as Favre. Seems like 74" worked OK for him, didn't it?

[Fosco33]

Exactly - he was offered but not signed a contract. You snooze with TT - you lose.

Also shows how incredibly lucky we've been w/ Brett at the helm - never had to seriously consider a QB controversy, at many times only needed one back-up which filled a spot elsewhere.

Now we have to chose 3 among these guys:
Babb, Bell, Brohm, Flynn, Nall, Rodgers..

Rodgers, Brohm, then Flynn in that order. But keep the other FAs in the wings as both Arod and the brama bull have injury histories... BTW, Brohm was given jersey #11... and odd # for a QB. Does he have to keep that?

[Rastak]

Jax takes RB Washington:


Strengths: A one-cut downhill runner with good size, quickness and power Displays very good vision. Runs under control. He is a shifty and slippery runner that finds ways to slip into small holes for a bigger back. Shows good initial burst and hits the hole hard. Runs with very good pad-level. Knows when to lower his shoulder and initiate contact. Picks up lots of yards after initial contact. In brief views as a receiver he does display soft hands. Caught the ball very naturally throughout week of combine. Gets upfield quickly and can run over smaller DB's when he gets the ball in space. When in position, he displays the size, strength and toughness to effectively pick up the blitz in pass pro.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed. He's a shifty runner but he doesn't display ideal stop-and-start quickness to consistently exploit the backside crease. Doesn't display much of a second-gear in the open-field. Will never be a homerun threat. Misses too many assignments in pass pro, which is evident on film. Will go the wrong way on play-action and will look confused on blitz pickup too frequently. Not very experienced as a receiver. Lacks ideal route-running skills and isn't much more than a reliable short-yardage option. Mental capacity and maturity are significant concerns after he failed to stay eligible during consecutive seasons in 2004 and 2005. Durability is an issue after finding out his knee injury in 2006, which initially was thought to be a sprain, was a MCL tear. Also missed two games with an ankle injury in 2003.

Overall: Washington played in 20 games in 2003 and 2006, rushing for 809 yards and nine touchdowns on 176 carries (4.6 average). He redshirted the 2004 season after being declared academically ineligible and remained ineligible in 2005. He had his finest season as a senior, delivering 969 rushing yards and 10 touchdowns on 195 carries (5.0 average), plus seven receptions for 59 yards (8.4 average) and two TDs. Washington missed six games in 2003 after suffering a right ankle sprain and sat out the 2007 season opener because of a right shoulder sprain. Washington's career at USC saw plenty of peaks and valleys. He comes with a good amount of baggage, including major academic problems, some durability issues and a couple trips to Pete Carroll's proverbial doghouse. There's no question those red flags will cause Washington to slip during draft weekend. But some team could get a steal in Washington as a mid-to-late round pick because he's far more skilled than most want to admit. Washington is an extremely talented pure runner with good vision, power and burst. He also catches the ball very naturally and has potential to contribute in the passing game and on kick returns in the NFL. If decides to work at it and keep out of trouble at the next level, Washington could emerge as one of the surprise contributors from the 2008 draft class.

[Rastak]

49ers take LB Grant:


Strengths: Has adequate size and is big enough to add bulk to frame. Plays with a mean streak, plays with adequate leverage and flashes the ability to hold ground at the point of contact. Works from the snap until the whistle, takes adequate pursuit angles and is a sideline-to-sideline player. Gets good depth and reads quarterback's eyes when asked to drop into zone coverage. Times blitz well, he flashes the ability to beat blockers in the backfield and has adequate closing speed. Capable of lining up at all three linebacker positions and is versatile. Blocked 12 punts in two years at the junior college level in 2005, blocked two kicks last year and can contribute on special teams. Made steady progress while at Ohio State and should only get better with added experience.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal instincts, takes too long to locate the ball and is vulnerable to play action as well as misdirection. Doesn't deliver a violent punch and takes too long to shed blocks. Lacks elite explosiveness and isn't going to make as many tackles in the backfield as did at the collegiate level. Has a wide stance but base immediately narrows and loses balance at times. Doesn't show great burst coming out of cuts, lacks prototypical top-end speed and is going to have problems matching up in man coverage. Takes too long to open hips when forced to turn and run and lacks the second gear to recover once caught out of position. Lacks ideal ball skills and isn't a playmaker in coverage.

Overall: Grant attended and played for Community College of San Francisco in 2004 and 2005, amassing 175 tackles in two seasons and earning National Junior College Player of the Year honors in '05. He transferred to Ohio State in 2006, appearing in 12 games (including one start at strong-side linebacker) and turning in 18 tackles, a forced fumble and an interception. As a senior in 2007, he started all 13 games and had 51 tackles (9.5 for losses), five sacks, a forced fumble, an interception and five pass breakups. He was a special teams ace at both Ohio State (three blocked kicks) and CCSF (six blocks in '05 alone). Grant may never develop serviceable man-to-man cover skills but he can still bring a lot to a team. He's versatile enough to provide some depth at all three linebacker positions and he has the potential to develop into an excellent special teams' player.

[MadtownPacker]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.


Mort said as reported by someone else here that he indeed was offered a contract.I said SIGN hoe, not offered. You said he was the #2 like he was on the roster. Maybe now he can go back to minnesota so he can have a retirement boat party. :lol:

Suddenly the Pack has the best group of QB prospects in the NFC North.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Now we have to chose 3 among these guys:
Babb, Bell, Brohm, Flynn, Nall, Rodgers..

Camp bodies. No shot at making the team. Not even worth mentioning. Nall isn't on the roster, and he won't be in the future (unless somebody gets hurt).

[Rastak]

Ravens take WR Harper:


Strengths: Shields defenders from ball and is a big target with long arms. Has long strides and top-end speed is deceiving. Has the ability to eat up cushions quickly and run by defenders. Shows sound body control and tracks the deep ball extremely well. Possesses solid athleticism and uses his size along with leaping ability to make tough catches in traffic. Does a nice job of setting up defenders and sticking cuts. Elevates over smaller defenders and competes for jump balls. Shows good sideline awareness and generally does a good job of keeping feet in bounds. Flashes the ability to make the first defender miss and runs hard after the catch. Takes adequate angles to blocks, moves feet and can sustain once in position.

Weaknesses: Doesn't explode out of cuts and is going to have a harder time separating from man coverage at the NFL level. Doesn't use hands well, doesn't deliver a strong punch and struggles to get a clean release working against press coverage. Is faster than quick and is going to have a difficult time getting open deep when slowed down at the line of scrimmage. Let the ball get into frame too much and drops some passes that should catch.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Virginia Tech (2004-'06), Harper appeared in 37 games (three starts) and grabbed 42 receptions for 703 yards (16.7 average) and four touchdowns. He played all 14 games (eight starts) in 2007, he had 41 catches for 635 yards (15.5 average) and five touchdowns. For his career, he also had a 10-yard carry and two punt returns for 127 yards and a touchdown. Harper possesses the frame to add bulk and strength without losing too much speed and he has the tools and size to be effective at the next level with solid coaching and sound strength program. On the other hand, he is raw and is too easily neutralized by press coverage at this point so he projects as a seventh round pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jax takes RB Washington:

Shoot. How about a little Cory Boyd.
:D

[CaliforniaCheez]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.

The interview was done for comic relief in the off season.

The Packer organization is just loved watching him:

-On his knees begging and crying for a job.

-licking boots and kissing rings.

-being videotaped saying how much he loves and adores the Green Bay Packers.



Then I'm sure they enjoyed kicking his behind out the door and telling him if he isn't off the property in 3 minutes they are calling the Sheriff. Then giggling and watching the tape of him begging and groveling again.

Oh that is priceless.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Posted by me earlier in the week.
:D


Most think the draft is average at QB, but I think this will end up being a solid draft at QB--mainly because I'm higher on Ryan, Brohm, and Henne than most.

Ideal Packer picks for me: Assuming Henne or Brohm don't drop to late in the 2nd round, the best thing for me would be to get Josh Johnson in the 3rd round and possibly take another guy as a late round development pick.

[Rastak]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.


Mort said as reported by someone else here that he indeed was offered a contract.I said SIGN hoe, not offered. You said he was the #2 like he was on the roster. Maybe now he can go back to minnesota so he can have a retirement boat party. :lol:

Suddenly the Pack has the best group of QB prospects in the NFC North.

Dude, just going by what one of your rats said......sounds like the Pack goes into the season with 0 starts for the entire QB corps.

[pbmax]

Harv, care to post some Lottery numbers now? :lol:


I sort of called this one also. I'm on fire. Well, for me.
:D


Potential late round picks that are the most intriguing to me (in no particular order) = Matt Flynn, Kyle Wright, Paul Smith, Dennis Dixon.


Intriguing DEs include Jeremy Thompson, Chris Ellis, and Brian Johnston.

Sort of called Patrick Lee also.

If they draft Chauncey Washington or Cory Boyd or Mike Dragosavich, I'll officially be EN FUEGO.

:wave:

[Partial]

Wow, that was unexpected. I'm not sure how I feel about Flynn.

[Fosco33]

Now we have to chose 3 among these guys:
Babb, Bell, Brohm, Flynn, Nall, Rodgers..

Camp bodies. No shot at making the team. Not even worth mentioning. Nall isn't on the roster, and he won't be in the future (unless somebody gets hurt).

I'm with you - just thought it was funny to have so many (even for camp bodies). Nall is still listed on packers.com - but no way he makes the team (but hey - he's always welcome back, right).

[Lurker64]

Longterm, I like Flynn better than Brohm. Not this year, but a couple of years from now. Solid value.

[Scott Campbell]

Posted by me earlier in the week.
:D


Most think the draft is average at QB, but I think this will end up being a solid draft at QB--mainly because I'm higher on Ryan, Brohm, and Henne than most.

Ideal Packer picks for me: Assuming Henne or Brohm don't drop to late in the 2nd round, the best thing for me would be to get Josh Johnson in the 3rd round and possibly take another guy as a late round development pick.


Nice - you guru you. :D

[CaliforniaCheez]

Wow, that was unexpected. I'm not sure how I feel about Flynn.


Better than Fumblepepper!!

[digitaldean]

Washington gone to Jacksonville, Harv.

Not quite EN FUEGO, but definitely on a roll. :)

[Rastak]

Lions take DT Cohen: can't find Bio

[Scott Campbell]

Rastak - When did dumbass sign a contract? If TT was stupid enough to offer dumbte a deal he aint offering it now.


Mort said as reported by someone else here that he indeed was offered a contract.I said SIGN hoe, not offered. You said he was the #2 like he was on the roster. Maybe now he can go back to minnesota so he can have a retirement boat party. :lol:

Suddenly the Pack has the best group of QB prospects in the NFC North.

Dude, just going by what one of your rats said......sounds like the Pack goes into the season with 0 starts for the entire QB corps.


Well it doesn't take much to be tops in the NFCN anymore with Brett gone.

[Lurker64]

Brett Swain, WR. This must be BPA lottery since I have trouble imagining another WR making this team.

[Rastak]

Pack takes WR Swain: No Bio

[Gunakor]

Wow, another WR..... Brett Swain from SDSU

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Swain, WR. This must be BPA lottery since I have trouble imagining another WR making this team.


Return man?

[Chubbyhubby]

QB is pretty damn odd. Brohm ain't getting cut, if the Mort report is correct, Culpepper is #2. I guess they throw him on the practice squad.

Cullpepper signed?

[CaliforniaCheez]

Brett Swain, WR. This must be BPA lottery since I have trouble imagining another WR making this team.

Poor Chris Francies!!

[arcilite]

is matt millen running this draft

[Gunakor]

Brett Swain, WR. This must be BPA lottery since I have trouble imagining another WR making this team.


Return man?


Jordy Nelson is supposedly a pretty good return man as well

[Rastak]

What I have on Swain:


Brett Swain
Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 10(217)
WR | (6'0", 198, 4.599) | SAN DIEGO STATE
Scouts Grade: 30

[Scott Campbell]

is matt millen running this draft



He is for the Lions. Ted's nothing like Millen.

[MadtownPacker]

Dude, just going by what one of your rats said......sounds like the Pack goes into the season with 0 starts for the entire QB corps.Yes, so that means these guys have yet to prove they suck. 1 out of 3 shots are decent odds of hitting on one. Favre leaving means starting over so it might as well be all the way from scratch. I dont want TT filling pots holes when it comes to the most important player on offense.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Pack takes WR Swain: No Bio

Love the first 5 picks and Flynn. Hate the other 3. Makes no sense. I'd rather have another punter to give Ryan competition.

[Rastak]

Lions take Campbell - Cool Pick! Good luck Caleb:


Strengths: Has good range and can cover the deep half of the field when stays disciplined. Physical, has excellent upper body strength and can reroute receivers. While didn't intercept a pass last year, has big hands, catches the ball well and has shown big-play ability in coverage in the past. Takes adequate pursuit angles and is a sideline-to-sideline run defender. Has excellent size and can line up in the box. Wraps up upon contact and is a reliable open field tackler that flashes the ability to deliver the big hit and forced three fumbles last year Plays with a good motor and can cover kicks. Has excellent experience, vocal and helps get teammates lined up right.

Weaknesses: Takes too long to change directions and is going to have problems matching up with slot receivers in man coverage. Stiff in the hips, faster than quick so struggles to recover when gets caught in a trail position and is going to have problems turning and running with receivers. Lacks ideal awareness in zone coverage, too quick to jump crossing routes and can let receivers get behind him when asked to cover the deep half of the field. Tall enough to compete for jump balls but doesn't have long arms and isn't a great leaper. Doesn't use hands well enough and can take too long to shed blocks when reached by an offensive lineman. Doesn't protect legs and struggles to get over cut blocks. Sustained a season-ending knee injury in 2006, appeared hesitant at times last year and durability is a concern.

Overall: Campbell arrived at Army in 2004 and became a freshman starter for the Black Knights. In his first three seasons ('04-'06), he appeared in 31 games (26 starts) and combined for 210 tackles (eight for losses), five pass breakups and six interceptions. As a junior, he missed Army's final three games after suffering an ACL tear in his right knee. He returned last season to start all 12 games and post 97 tackles (two for losses), two forced fumbles and two pass breakups. Few safety prospects possess Campbell's blend of size and speed so there is a lot to like about his upside, especially for a team that plays primarily zone coverage. However, he is a straight-line player who is far more effective in run support than he is matching up in coverage at this point so he is a bit of a developmental prospect. With all of that in mind, Campbell projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent.

[Gunakor]

Pack takes WR Swain: No Bio

Love the first 5 picks and Flynn. Hate the other 3. Makes no sense. I'd rather have another punter to give Ryan competition.



still one more pick yet

[Rastak]

Dude, just going by what one of your rats said......sounds like the Pack goes into the season with 0 starts for the entire QB corps.Yes, so that means these guys have yet to prove they suck. 1 out of 3 shots are decent odds of hitting on one. Favre leaving means starting over so it might as well be all the way from scratch. I dont want TT filling pots holes when it comes to the most important player on offense.


Should be fun next preseason to watch these guys....well, we've seen Rodgers, the other two I guess.

[falco]

Pack takes WR Swain: No Bio

Love the first 5 picks and Flynn. Hate the other 3. Makes no sense. I'd rather have another punter to give Ryan competition.

agreed, but i think you can bring some undrafted players in for competition there. I think Minnesota got their kicker that way, and he's pretty good. (if I recall correctly).

why don't you like the O-lineman Harv?

[Rastak]

Bills take OT Bell:

Strengths: Gets off the ball well and flashes the ability to get into position quickly. Shows good lateral mobility, can each defender lined up over outside shoulder and can seal the edge. Gets adequate hand placement, moves feet and can sustain blocks. Takes adequate not great angles to downfield blocks, can adjust to moving targets in space and can get into position at the second level. Shuffles feet well and can redirect in pass protection. Has the frame to add bulk, has steadily progressed and should only get better with added experience.

Weaknesses: Undersized, plays too high and can get knocked back at the point of contact. Doesn't deliver a violent initial punch and hasn't shown great upper body strength. Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and isn't going to drive defenders off the ball. Doesn't sink hips enough and gives too much ground to bull rushers. Had never played football before 2005 fall camp, moved from defensive end to offensive tackle three weeks prior to the start of the 2006 season, played basketball at Northwestern State and is raw. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Bell attended Northwestern State on a basketball scholarship, and had never so much as worn a helmet when he decided to try out for the football team in 2005. Playing defensive end in his first season ('05), he logged 11 tackles, all in a single game. He was moved to left offensive tackle only weeks before the 2006 season opener, and went on to start 22 consecutive games over the next two seasons ('06-07). He played three seasons for the Demons basketball squad (2004-05 through 2006-07). Bell is a developmental small school prospect who has the frame, initial quickness and agility to develop into a reliable backup or adequate starter at left tackle for a team that does a lot of zone blocking. However, he isn't strong, big or explosive enough at this point to play a substantial role so he projects as a seventh round pick.

[Lurker64]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

[Fosco33]

One of the veterans of the Aztec receiving corps who has played in 32 career contests, starting on 14 occasions ... A big-play receiver with six of his 15 receptions in 2005 going for more than 20 yards (second-most on the team) ... Has caught at least one pass in each of his last 14 games.

2006: Played in all 12 games, starting eight times ... Team's leading receiver with 47 catches for 528 yards ... Starter in the opener with UTEP ... Had a career-best five receptions for 64 yards and one carry for two yards ... Five catches at Wisconsin for 33 yards ... First touchdown of the season against Utah for 18 yards ... Team-best four receptions against the Utes ... Four catches for the second and third straight outings at San Jose State and BYU ... Team-best four grabs in the win over Air Force .... 66-yard TD reception at Wyoming ... Four catches for 48 yards in the win over UNLV ... Four or more receptions for the eighth time in 2006 at TCU ... Career game at New Mexico, logging his first career 100-yard receiving game with a career-high eight catches for 108 yards, including a long of 32 yards ... Two grabs for 26 yards in the season finale with Colorado State.

2005: Appeared in all but two games in his sophomore campaign ... Did not play at CSU or vs. Wyoming due to injury ... Returned to action in the finale at Hawai'i, tallying one catch for nine yards ... Two receptions for 51 yards against TCU, including a 30-yarder ... Started vs. BYU, snagging three catches for 74 yards ... Career-best four receptions for 38 yards against San Jose State ... Caught an 80-yard touchdown pass from Kevin O'Connell on the first play from scrimmage against No. 9 Ohio State ... The touchdown was the first of his Aztec career, while the 80-yard reception was a career long ... Caught his first two passes of the season at Air Force ... Was a reserve in the UCLA contest.

2004: Ended the season with 13 catches covering 104 yards ... Also had a 23-yard run from scrimmage at UCLA ... Caught a season-long 31-yard pass at Wyoming ... Caught three passes against No. 9 Utah.

2003: Redshirted his first year on campus.

High School: Played safety and wide receiver for the Lancers' 10-2-1 squad ... As a senior, was credited with 48 catches for 990 yards (20.6 yards per catch) ... Was named Avocado League offensive player of the year, all-CIF and all-San Diego ... Also earned varsity letters in baseball and track.

http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/swain_brett00.html

[BallHawk]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

They both resemble war zones.....

Actually, Iraq has probably made more progress than Detroit the last 5 years.

[Rastak]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?


Yup.

[pbmax]

Draft Scout Brett Swain News

12/05/07 - 2007 All-Mountain West Conference Second Team: WR Brett Swain was San Diego State's leading receiver each of the past two seasons. As a senior, he capped his stay on The Mesa with a career-best 58 receptions for 973 yards and five touchdowns. Swain is second in the Mountain West and 31st nationally in receiving yards per game (81.1), including a pair of 100-yard receiving efforts. He set career bests with 224 yards and three touchdowns on just six catches in the team's win over Portland State on Sept. 22. Swain averaged 14 yards per reception in 44 career games and finished his stay at SDSU with 135 career receptions for 1,893 yards and eight TDs. He caught at least one pass in each of his final 26 games and had four or more in 18 of his last 24 contests. - San Diego State Sports

12/01/07 - PLAYERS TO WATCH: WR Brett Swain was making all the downfield plays early in the season when fellow WR Chaz Schilens was sidelined with a foot injury. If the Cougars key too much on Schilens, Swain is more than capable of hurting them as well.

11/27/07 - LOOKING GOOD: WR Brett Swain finished with his best performance in weeks five catches for 90 yards and a TD. He caught a 45-yard pass to the TCU 3-yard line that led to SDSU's second TD of the game. He and Chaz Schilens give the Aztecs hope that they can at least engage in a shooting match next week with BYU.

[Fosco33]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

He could've went to GB... better than some WR from SDSU...

[MadtownPacker]

Im not a big Rodgers fan so I hope these 2 new guys show something special. Starting week 1 and destroying your vikings will be a great start for whoever it is.

[Badgerinmaine]

Tom Silverstein in the Journal Sentinel saw the Swain pick as a possibility last week:
WR Brett Swain, San Diego State, 6-0, 200, 4.63 - Slot receiver type who caught 58 passes for 973 yards (16.8) and five TDs for pass-happy Aztecs. Doesn't have blinding speed but has some quickness.

[MadtownPacker]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

He could've went to GB... better than some WR from SDSU...Where you been man?

[CaliforniaCheez]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

Didn't Rush Limbaugh call Detroit "New Fallujah" ?

[Partial]

Caleb Campbell goes to Detroit instead of Iraq, is that an improvement?

I don't think thats a particularly funny or appropriate joke.

[Rastak]

Im not a big Rodgers fan so I hope these 2 new guys show something special. Starting week 1 and destroying your vikings will be a great start for whoever it is.


You are going to be a disappointed mother when Favre's celebration gets torched by the Vikes.


Cue the damn Horn!

[pbmax]

Swain played safety in high school.