The official 2009 Day Two DRAFT thread

[Joemailman]

nfldraftscout had him rated as the #2 OG prospect in the draft. He'll either eventually replace Clifton at LT or he'll replace Colledge at LG if Colledge moves to LT. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/558639

[Gunakor]

James Campen about to speak @ packers.com

[Joemailman]

Detroit's starting to worry me. They just took Sammie Lee Hill.

[Rastak]

Cowboys trade down, Bucs trade up for Kyle Moore.....DE

[Gunakor]

nfldraftscout had him rated as the #2 OG prospect in the draft. He'll either eventually replace Clifton at LT or he'll replace Colledge at LG if Colledge moves to LT. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/558639

How does this help us at RT? That's why I'm puzzled by this pick. You go need-need with your first 2 picks, and take BPA regardless of need in the 4th round? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Maybe it's just me...

[Rastak]

Seifert's Blog


Packers pick probably projects as a guard

April 26, 2009 1:01 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert

Green Bay's first pick of Day 2 played left tackle his last two years of college. But you should probably slow down if you assume Eastern Michigan's T.J. Lang, selected with the ninth pick of the fourth round, is the heir apparent to left tackle Chad Clifton.

Lang was a late bloomer on the NFL draft charts, so much so that he was not invited to the combine. But after an impressive postseason showing, teams started investigating him. Lang visited 10 teams, including the Packers, but most of them projected him as a guard. (Atlanta told him they might use him at center.)

That doesn't mean the Packers won't take a look at him at tackle. But guard is the usual landing place for a player with the kind of makeup described here by Scouts Inc.:

Plays with an edge and an effective hand fighter. Upper body strength appears more than adequate and flashes the ability to deliver a violent initial punch. Finishes blocks. ... Stays engaged and makes it difficult for defensive linemen to get their hands up in passing lanes. Gets adequate knee bend, does a good job of resetting feet and can hold ground against bull rushers. Leans too much and is vulnerable to push-pull moves. Takes too long to redirect and going to have some problems countering double moves. Lacks elite initial quickness and going to have a harder time preventing edge rushers from turning the corner at the NFL level.

Speaking to the Oakland Press before the draft, Lang said he enjoyed his visit to Green Bay and added: "Going to Lambeau was definitely nice, just all the history there. It's kind of a small town, just a blue-collar, hard-working town and I think I'd fit in there pretty good, too."

[Waldo]

Lang played LT the last 2 years. Is he Clifton's eventual replacement?

sounds like he can play anywhere on the line, except maybe center

one thing i saw said he might be best inside

sounds like a classic TT linemen, he could play anywhere on the line

He can snap, but has short arms, so isn't a good fit at LT int he NFL.

He can play the other 4 positions though.

Lang-Spitz-Sitton would be the shit on the interior, we can move Colledge to T now having a legit G inside.

[Rastak]

Clay Matthews on NFL radio right now......Kirwin told him he;d be a great 3-4 ROLB.

[Waldo]

nfldraftscout had him rated as the #2 OG prospect in the draft. He'll either eventually replace Clifton at LT or he'll replace Colledge at LG if Colledge moves to LT. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/558639

:bclap:

[Gunakor]

Lang played LT the last 2 years. Is he Clifton's eventual replacement?

sounds like he can play anywhere on the line, except maybe center

one thing i saw said he might be best inside

sounds like a classic TT linemen, he could play anywhere on the line

He can snap, but has short arms, so isn't a good fit at LT int he NFL.

He can play the other 4 positions though.

Lang-Spitz-Sitton would be the shit on the interior, we can move Colledge to T now having a legit G inside.

Hadn't thought of that. It makes sense, actually. Play Colledge out at RT this year, shift him left next year and draft a RT or draft a LT and keep him at RT. That works.

[Rastak]

Damn, Bears got DJ Moore.

[Lurker64]

Damn, Bears got DJ Moore.

Any idea why he slid this far? Did he punch a coach?

[Bretsky]

OK at long as we're going need this draft

our fullbacks suck and our punter suck :!:

so let's go get the top FB (Fiamatta) and the top punter

Personally I like the Cincy Punter but there are two that I think can be really good in the NFL.

[Bretsky]

IMO the Detroit Lions have had a dam good draft; actually I like a lot of players coming into our division

[Rastak]

Damn, Bears got DJ Moore.

Any idea why he slid this far? Did he punch a coach?


Kiriwn said he thinks he's more of a cover the slot guy. He said he doesn't have great top end speed and he's short but he's really quick and has a decent vertical.

[Charles Woodson]

Id like to see Grahm Gano the punter outta fsu

[Guiness]

Seifert's Blog


Packers pick probably projects as a guard

Am I the only one who's tired of trying to convert tackles who can't play NFL tackle to guards? What's wrong with drafting a damn guard to play guard???

I know there's a lot of reasons. A lot of college guards don't have the athleticism to play in the NFL at all. The guys with better feet and hands tend to play tackle in college. But there's something to say for drafting a guy built like a fire hydrant.

[red]

IMO the Detroit Lions have had a dam good draft; actually I like a lot of players coming into our division

not to worry, they've had a lot of picks over the years that scared me. they managed to screw up all those players

Losing is a disease, as infectious as syphilis or polio

[gbgary]

since tt is in a dealing mood he needs to give up one of the fives (162) and one of the sixes to get another four.

[Lurker64]

I'm surprised Sidbury is still on the board, I would have thought he'd go in teh second or third. Is he that raw and/or bad against the run?

[red]

Seifert's Blog


Packers pick probably projects as a guard

Am I the only one who's tired of trying to convert tackles who can't play NFL tackle to guards? What's wrong with drafting a damn guard to play guard???

I know there's a lot of reasons. A lot of college guards don't have the athleticism to play in the NFL at all. The guys with better feet and hands tend to play tackle in college. But there's something to say for drafting a guy built like a fire hydrant.

i'm with ya

i'm sick of moving all these guys around all the time too. put them in a spot and leave them there to learn that spot

[Bretsky]

since tt is in a dealing mood he needs to give up one of the fives and one of the sixes to get another four.


remember pre draft as most felt there were many hybrid DL who could make that switch to OLB in the 3-4

Use those picks to take some flyers on those guys, grab a FB, P

Not sure there are any no brainers to trade up for now

[Rastak]

Eagles just traded for Hobbs,,,,gave up 2 5's.

[Charles Woodson]

what area do you think TT will address next?

[Lurker64]

i'm sick of moving all these guys around all the time too. put them in a spot and leave them there to learn that spot

We're apparently going to stop trying to teach people nineteen positions on the OL, but that's not an argument really for not drafting Ts to play G.

[HarveyWallbangers]

At this point, I'm not enamored with picking an OT. They all look like developmental picks and none look like starters. We have several developmental OL as it is. I'm okay with RB, TE, OT, DE, CB, or P at this point.

throw some of the names from your wishlist out there

Some good players left IMO

Actually, what I meant was: some people seemed to want an OT only, as if that guy would fill our starting RT need. At this point, I don't expect any player to be a starter year one. I say get BPA at one of the positions I listed. I have no idea about Lang. Maybe he was. Is Mike Mickens or Kevin Barnes still available? I saw Sammie Lee Hill is gone.

[wist43]

Seifert's Blog


Packers pick probably projects as a guard

Am I the only one who's tired of trying to convert tackles who can't play NFL tackle to guards? What's wrong with drafting a damn guard to play guard???

I know there's a lot of reasons. A lot of college guards don't have the athleticism to play in the NFL at all. The guys with better feet and hands tend to play tackle in college. But there's something to say for drafting a guy built like a fire hydrant.

MM even alluded to the fact that they keep moving guys all over the place as a reason why the OL is such a mess... but, then in the next breath, he says they value "versatility".

I'm with ya, draft a freakin G, and play him at G, draft a freakin C, and play him at C, draft a freakin OT, and play him OT... geez.

[RashanGary]

I'm surprised Sidbury is still on the board, I would have thought he'd go in teh second or third. Is he that raw and/or bad against the run?

Complete guess here, but I'm guessing he can handle rushing the passer and playing the run as a rush linebacker. I'm guessing teams think he can't cover worth a lick. Just a guess.

Maybe 4-3 teams think he's just too small to put on the line.

[Bretsky]

At this point, I'm not enamored with picking an OT. They all look like developmental picks and none look like starters. We have several developmental OL as it is. I'm okay with RB, TE, OT, DE, CB, or P at this point.

throw some of the names from your wishlist out there

Some good players left IMO

Actually, what I meant was: some people seemed to want an OT only, as if that guy would fill our starting RT need. At this point, I don't expect any player to be a starter year one. I say get BPA at one of the positions I listed. I have no idea about Lang. Maybe he was. Is Mike Mickens or Kevin Barnes still available? I saw Sammie Lee Hill is gone.


pretty sure Mickens is still out there; think Barnes is as well

[red]

is chris baker still around?

he's a nice big body that could play DE or NT

[Fosco33]

I'm surprised Sidbury is still on the board, I would have thought he'd go in teh second or third. Is he that raw and/or bad against the run?

Complete guess here, but I'm guessing he can handle rushing the passer and playing the run as a rush linebacker. I'm guessing teams think he can't cover worth a lick. Just a guess.

Maybe 4-3 teams think he's just too small to put on the line.

I'd be lovin sidbury @145.

[Fosco33]

Meredith is still out there - whats his scoop?

[Joemailman]

I'm surprised Sidbury is still on the board, I would have thought he'd go in teh second or third. Is he that raw and/or bad against the run?

Complete guess here, but I'm guessing he can handle rushing the passer and playing the run as a rush linebacker. I'm guessing teams think he can't cover worth a lick. Just a guess.

Maybe 4-3 teams think he's just too small to put on the line.

I'd be lovin sidbury @145.

Atlanta took Sidbury.

[red]

king from iowa is still around. 3-4 de

[Carolina_Packer]

is chris baker still around?
;
he's a nice big body that could play DE or NT

I was looking up the kid from Eastern Michigan and saw some of the other prospects available on the OL and found this guy from LSU...read his profile.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/herman-johnson?id=71347

...he's still the biggest baby ever born in Louisiana! That's funny that the doctor still calls his mom to let him know. He's a big guy, but he can move, so he may still fit in a ZBS if his footwork is ok; looked like his lateral agility is pretty good (there's a little video piece on him). I don't think we should be done with OL picks...it was a weak spot overall last year; Rodgers was running for his life at times.

[Lurker64]

king from iowa is still around. 3-4 de

Not really, he's got ridiculously short arms. Pedescleaux and Egboh are better 5-tech prospects still on the board.

[Gunakor]

is chris baker still around?
;
he's a nice big body that could play DE or NT

I was looking up the kid from Eastern Michigan and saw some of the other prospects available on the OL and found this guy from LSU...read his profile.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/herman-johnson?id=71347

...he's still the biggest baby ever born in Louisiana! That's funny that the doctor still calls his mom to let him know. He's a big guy, but he can move, so he may still fit in a ZBS if his footwork is ok; looked like his lateral agility is pretty good (there's a little video piece on him). I don't think we should be done with OL picks...it was a weak spot overall last year; Rodgers was running for his life at times.

I was looking at him too, but I don't know if he'd be a good fit for any type of ZBS.

[Fosco33]

ur fb is gone

[Lurker64]

Fuck, looks like the Panthers grabbed Fiametta.

[Partial]

We need a 5 tech!

[Joemailman]

Panthers take Tony Fiammetta. :cry:

[Gunakor]

We need a 5 tech!

Agreed.

[Lurker64]

And there goes Andre Brown, players we can use keep disappearing. What's wrong with this draft?

[packrulz]

Packers got 2 5ths, 2 6ths, & a 7th left:
5-145
5-162 (from New England with No. 26 for Nos. 41, 73 & 83)
6-182
6-187 (from New Orleans in 2008 draft-day trade)
7-218

[Joemailman]

We need a 5 tech!

Zach Potter? He's be a project because he needs to get bigger. http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Zach-Potter.php

[Lurker64]

There goes Toller :(

[Fosco33]

Giants and Lions getting better - giants are gonna be scary good next year.
MN and CHI with decent drafts as well.

[packers11]

we need our punter :lol:

[Partial]

And there goes Andre Brown, players we can use keep disappearing. What's wrong with this draft?

you seem surprised that the other teams want good players too. Not every team is like Oakland!! :lol:

[Fosco33]

At this point - I'd watch whatever network showed more scantilly clad ladies --- espn would be winning.

[packers11]

I guarantee one of these 5th round picks are going to be traded ... T.T. hasn't traded down all day...

[falco]

The draft is a crapshoot. Hard to say that any team is going to be that much better right now.

[Packnut]

It would be a complete slam dunk draft if Teddy can get the saftey from Clemson.

[packrulz]

Some good TE's left yet, Casey, Ingram

[Sparkey]

We need a 5 tech!

Zach Potter? He's be a project because he needs to get bigger. http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Zach-Potter.php

Terrence Taylor from Michigan would be a nice 5 tech DE at this point.

Terrance Taylor
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 306 | 40-Time: 5.27
Terrance Taylor | Michigan Wolverines
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Good bulk...Super strong...Plays with great leverage...Excellent run stuffer...Is able to occupy multiple blockers...Stout at the point of attack..Can collapse the pocket...Nice instincts and awareness...Tough and nasty...Durable...Has a lot of experience against top competition.

Weaknesses:
Short and squatty...Not much of a pass rusher...Has an inconsistent motor...Range is pretty limited...Doesn't pursue well...Struggles to get off blocks..Poor stamina...One-dimensional...Questionable work ethic.

Notes:
Was a three-year starter in the Big Ten...Michigan's state champion in power lifting as sophomore, junior and senior in high school and was also an undefeated heavyweight wrestling champion as a senior...Was voted a team captain by his teammates in 2008...Weighed as much as 330 pounds at one point during his time with the Wolverines...A prototypical two-down specialist...Potential 3-4 nose tackle prospect.

[Rastak]

I'm trying to be patient while waiting for the Vikes to get a pick......

[gbgary]

I'm trying to be patient while waiting for the Vikes to get a pick......

you're doing a commendable job.

[Rastak]

We need a 5 tech!

Zach Potter? He's be a project because he needs to get bigger. http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Zach-Potter.php

Terrence Taylor from Michigan would be a nice 5 tech DE at this point.

Terrance Taylor
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 306 | 40-Time: 5.27
Terrance Taylor | Michigan Wolverines
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Good bulk...Super strong...Plays with great leverage...Excellent run stuffer...Is able to occupy multiple blockers...Stout at the point of attack..Can collapse the pocket...Nice instincts and awareness...Tough and nasty...Durable...Has a lot of experience against top competition.

Weaknesses:
Short and squatty...Not much of a pass rusher...Has an inconsistent motor...Range is pretty limited...Doesn't pursue well...Struggles to get off blocks..Poor stamina...One-dimensional...Questionable work ethic.

Notes:
Was a three-year starter in the Big Ten...Michigan's state champion in power lifting as sophomore, junior and senior in high school and was also an undefeated heavyweight wrestling champion as a senior...Was voted a team captain by his teammates in 2008...Weighed as much as 330 pounds at one point during his time with the Wolverines...A prototypical two-down specialist...Potential 3-4 nose tackle prospect.


He just went to the Colts.

[packers11]

In other news : Ellis Hobbs (CB) for the Pats got traded to the eagles for two of the Eagles 5th round picks...

[Packnut]

It look's like my man will be there when Teddy picks. Man, picking up a saftey would be freakin sweet. It's our next biggest area of need.

[falco]

In other news : Ellis Hobbs (CB) for the Pats got traded to the eagles for two of the Eagles 5th round picks...

Patriots are stockpiling picks this year.

[Joemailman]

How do the Patriots even keep track of what picks they have?

[Bretsky]

Jeremy Meredith OT
Chris Clemons S
Kevein Huber P

all would look good in round 5

[Rastak]

In other news : Ellis Hobbs (CB) for the Pats got traded to the eagles for two of the Eagles 5th round picks...


As reported by me 3 or 4 pages back..... :wink: :)

[packers11]

In other news : Ellis Hobbs (CB) for the Pats got traded to the eagles for two of the Eagles 5th round picks...


As reported by me 3 or 4 pages back..... :wink: :)

:oops:

[Sparkey]

I could see another lineman, like Meredith going to the pack here.

Has some ??? but many believe he has the ability to play tackle in the NFL

Jamon Meredith
Height: 6-45/8 | Weight: 304 | 40-Time: 5.03
Jamon Meredith | South Carolina Gamecocks
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Excellent athlete...Adequate height and bulk with long arms...Is quick and agile...Great balance and is a natural knee bender...Nimble feet and moves well laterally...Terrific pass blocker who can protect the edge...Good strength...Mobile with great range to get to the second level and pull...Offers positional versatility...Real smart..Experienced.

Weaknesses:
May be a bit of a 'tweener...Needs to be more tough and physical...Not real stout at the point of attack...Mediocre initial punch...Doesn't get a great push in the run game...Poor hand use...Not a finisher and lacks a killer instinct...Questionable awareness...Is not a fit for every scheme.

Notes:
Three-year starter in the SEC...A high school defensive end...Played in one game (three plays) in 2004 but was granted a redshirt as long as he sat out the first two games of the 2008 season...Earned four starts in 2005 then started the next three years for the Gamecocks...Hampered by an ankle injury as a senior...Has extensive experience at left tackle, right tackle and guard...Could project outside or inside...Best fit at the next level might come in a zone blocking scheme...Finesse type with shaky intangibles who some have labeled as soft...Has all the physical tools you look for..May be capable of starting at left tackle in the NFL.

[Packnut]

Jeremy Meredith OT
Chris Clemons S
Kevein Huber P

all would look good in round 5

Say it with me my friend:

CLEMONS, CLEMONS, CLEMONS, CLEMONS

[Sparkey]

or maybe

potential 5 tech de in a 3-4

Ricky Jean-Francois
Height: 6-25/8 | Weight: 295 | 40-Time: 5.19
Ricky Jean-Francois | L.S.U. Tigers
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Good athlete...Long arms and big hands...Very quick...Explosive and fires off the snap...Good strength...Gets a lot of penetration...Decent instincts and awareness...Versatile...Good special teamer...Big upside.

Weaknesses:
Average size...Does not always use proper leverage...An inconsistent motor...Was not a great student...Durability is a concern...Maturity might be an issue...Wasn't very productive...Relatively inexperienced.

Notes:
Also participated in track and field at LSU...Was one of the Top 100 recruits in the whole country coming out of high school according to Rivals...Only started eight career games for the Tigers...Redshirted in 2005...Earned Freshman All-American honors in 2006...Served a 12-month suspension in 2007 for an off the field issue...Returned for the postseason and was named Most Outstanding Player of the BCS National Championship Game against Ohio State...Entered the 2008 season with enormous expectations but was hampered by a groin injury and disappointed...Drew criticism for proclaiming his intention to take Tim Tebow out of the game if he got a shot in 2008...Has three career blocked kicks...Might also be able to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme...Probably made a mistake by coming out early and may have bought into his own hype...Not the elite pro prospect many thought he could be early on but is undeniably talented and has shown flashes of greatness...Underachiever who could end up being better in the pros than he was in college but poor intangibles might prevent him from ever maximizing his immense potential...Classic "Boom or Bust" type.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2005 RS - - -
2006 12 27 5.5 3.0
2007 2 9 1.5 0.5
2008 11 20 3.0 2.0
Totals 25 56 10.0 5.5

[Fosco33]

cadogan

T Penn State 6-5, 309 40 Time: 5.07

BIOGRAPHY: Two-year starter at left tackle awarded all-Conference honors as a senior.

POSITIVES: Nice-sized pass blocker who moves well on his feet. Fluid sliding out to protect the edge, shows the ability to adjust, and keeps blitzing linebackers away from his quarterback. Sets with a wide base, and is effective with his hands, extending them into defenders, and then knocking them from their angle of attack. Patient, flashes the ability to block on the move, and is relatively effective in motion. For the most part, blocks with solid fundamentals.

NEGATIVES: Lacks the dominant base, pushed back off the line by large opponents, and a marginal run blocker. Must improve his blocking balance. Lacks a mean streak, and plays with a passive nature.

ANALYSIS: Cadogan is a solid pass protector with above-average size and athleticism. He possesses the footwork to start at the left tackle position, yet he must improve his strength and learn and play with more fire in his belly.

PROJECTION: Third Round

[Rastak]

or maybe

potential 5 tech de in a 3-4

Ricky Jean-Francois
Height: 6-25/8 | Weight: 295 | 40-Time: 5.19
Ricky Jean-Francois | L.S.U. Tigers
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Good athlete...Long arms and big hands...Very quick...Explosive and fires off the snap...Good strength...Gets a lot of penetration...Decent instincts and awareness...Versatile...Good special teamer...Big upside.

Weaknesses:
Average size...Does not always use proper leverage...An inconsistent motor...Was not a great student...Durability is a concern...Maturity might be an issue...Wasn't very productive...Relatively inexperienced.

Notes:
Also participated in track and field at LSU...Was one of the Top 100 recruits in the whole country coming out of high school according to Rivals...Only started eight career games for the Tigers...Redshirted in 2005...Earned Freshman All-American honors in 2006...Served a 12-month suspension in 2007 for an off the field issue...Returned for the postseason and was named Most Outstanding Player of the BCS National Championship Game against Ohio State...Entered the 2008 season with enormous expectations but was hampered by a groin injury and disappointed...Drew criticism for proclaiming his intention to take Tim Tebow out of the game if he got a shot in 2008...Has three career blocked kicks...Might also be able to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme...Probably made a mistake by coming out early and may have bought into his own hype...Not the elite pro prospect many thought he could be early on but is undeniably talented and has shown flashes of greatness...Underachiever who could end up being better in the pros than he was in college but poor intangibles might prevent him from ever maximizing his immense potential...Classic "Boom or Bust" type.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2005 RS - - -
2006 12 27 5.5 3.0
2007 2 9 1.5 0.5
2008 11 20 3.0 2.0
Totals 25 56 10.0 5.5


I'm not sure I'd take that cat. I looked at him as a potential Viking pick this round and I think I'd pass.

[Rastak]

Bears on the clock.


They've taken:
2 DEs
1 CB
1 WR


edit: Bears take Knox, WR.

[Gunakor]

Chris Baker maybe, if we still think we need depth on the DL. Can play both NT and DE in the 3-4. Big time character issues, but maybe worth the risk in the 5th round.

[Sparkey]

or maybe

potential 5 tech de in a 3-4

Ricky Jean-Francois
Height: 6-25/8 | Weight: 295 | 40-Time: 5.19
Ricky Jean-Francois | L.S.U. Tigers
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Good athlete...Long arms and big hands...Very quick...Explosive and fires off the snap...Good strength...Gets a lot of penetration...Decent instincts and awareness...Versatile...Good special teamer...Big upside.

Weaknesses:
Average size...Does not always use proper leverage...An inconsistent motor...Was not a great student...Durability is a concern...Maturity might be an issue...Wasn't very productive...Relatively inexperienced.

Notes:
Also participated in track and field at LSU...Was one of the Top 100 recruits in the whole country coming out of high school according to Rivals...Only started eight career games for the Tigers...Redshirted in 2005...Earned Freshman All-American honors in 2006...Served a 12-month suspension in 2007 for an off the field issue...Returned for the postseason and was named Most Outstanding Player of the BCS National Championship Game against Ohio State...Entered the 2008 season with enormous expectations but was hampered by a groin injury and disappointed...Drew criticism for proclaiming his intention to take Tim Tebow out of the game if he got a shot in 2008...Has three career blocked kicks...Might also be able to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme...Probably made a mistake by coming out early and may have bought into his own hype...Not the elite pro prospect many thought he could be early on but is undeniably talented and has shown flashes of greatness...Underachiever who could end up being better in the pros than he was in college but poor intangibles might prevent him from ever maximizing his immense potential...Classic "Boom or Bust" type.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2005 RS - - -
2006 12 27 5.5 3.0
2007 2 9 1.5 0.5
2008 11 20 3.0 2.0
Totals 25 56 10.0 5.5


I'm not sure I'd take that cat. I looked at him as a potential Viking pick this round and I think I'd pass.

I think the 5th round is the time to take a boom/bust type player. If he doesn't pan out its not a huge loss, value wise. However, if he puts it all together he can make the d that much better.

[Rastak]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

[Lurker64]

There goes the punter.

[Rastak]

Punter Kevin Huber off the board.

[Bretsky]

DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT

Best P in the draft

[Badgerinmaine]

I believe in Wisconsin they are all part of the Univeisty of Wisconsin system, as opposed to MI where they are all separate (UM, MSU, EMU, CMU, WMU).
They used to be two separate systems in Wisconsin--the University of Wisconsin system, and the Wisconsin State University system, which had the places that started largely as teachers' colleges (River Falls, Whitewater, Oshkosh, Stevens Point, etc.) Governor Pat Lucey engineered their merger in the early 1970s.

[Bretsky]

possibility here

9. CEDRIC PEERMAN, VIRGINIA
5-9.5, 216, 4.34

The lowdown: Ran for 774 yards and seven touchdowns on a poor running team in 2008. Not very tall but he has good bulk and very good top-end speed. Has a low center of gravity. A good competitor. Small hands make ball security an issue. Major concerns about his ability to stay healthy.

Quotable: "The only round I haven't heard is the first round. That's the one you want to hear."

Projection: Fourth round.

[Joemailman]

Did they trade up to get him?

[Packnut]

possibility here

9. CEDRIC PEERMAN, VIRGINIA
5-9.5, 216, 4.34

The lowdown: Ran for 774 yards and seven touchdowns on a poor running team in 2008. Not very tall but he has good bulk and very good top-end speed. Has a low center of gravity. A good competitor. Small hands make ball security an issue. Major concerns about his ability to stay healthy.

Quotable: "The only round I haven't heard is the first round. That's the one you want to hear."

Projection: Fourth round.



CLEMONS, CLEMONS, CLEMONS

[Waldo]

Jennings, Peerman, Cadogan, Pedescleaux, Bell, Morrah, Clemons

IMO.

[Bretsky]

or a FB

2. QUINN JOHNSON Louisiana State 6-1 249 4.79 4-5
"Finally there's a fullback," one scout said. "Best blocking fullback I've seen in a couple years. He was a linebacker that they moved (in '06). He doesn't ever run the ball or catch the ball but he's powerful." Backed up Jacob Hester for two seasons before starting in '08. Finished with 16 carries for 34 (2.1) and three TDs and five catches for 54. "Big man," another scout said. "He attacks you and has some power."

[Rastak]

Cowboys trade up....

[RashanGary]

Waldo is too good. I used to think I was smart and had a good read on this stuff, but then Waldo came and now I feel like a tard.

[Partial]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

[Waldo]

If I had to say 1.....

Everette P here.

[Lurker64]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

Pedescleaux is still on the board, and this is a good spot for him.

[Waldo]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

6'6"
305lb
36 1/2" arms
4.90 40
26 reps

[Joemailman]

Dallas takes Deangelo Smith http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/537187

[Joemailman]

Packers are on the clock.

[gbgary]

so what are the Packers thinking now...more d?

[Bretsky]

CHRIS CLEMONS Clemson 6-0½ 210 4.38 5-6
Overcame a tough background in Florida to earn a degree. "Give this kid credit for coming out alive and not being in trouble," one scout said. Fastest safety at the combine, prompting another scout to point out, "You can't coach 4.3." Started 39 of 51 games, intercepting five passes and breaking up 22. "Runs fast straight-ahead but stiff in the ankles and has a tough time breaking down in space," a third scout said. "But he runs and hits."

[Partial]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

6'6"
305lb
36 1/2" arms
4.90 40
26 reps

Those are just numbers to me. How do they compare to successful 3-4 ends in the NFL?

[sheepshead]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

LOL Like there's a sure thing in 1-4?

[Bretsky]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

Pedescleaux is still on the board, and this is a good spot for him.


completely on board with this

for good karma I'll predict this guy

backup is Clemons although Packnut likes him far more than I

[Rastak]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

LOL Like there's a sure thing in 1-4?


It's tradeup Sheep showing his ugly face! :lol:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Some good TE's left yet, Casey, Ingram

Rumors are that some/many teams have flunked Ingram on his knee. He looks like a fantastic prospect though. Would be nice to take a late round flier on him.

[Bretsky]

Just realized the Bengals drafted the punter from University of Cincinati

just put that together

[Sparkey]

Johnson the FB

[Waldo]

or a FB

2. QUINN JOHNSON Louisiana State 6-1 249 4.79 4-5
"Finally there's a fullback," one scout said. "Best blocking fullback I've seen in a couple years. He was a linebacker that they moved (in '06). He doesn't ever run the ball or catch the ball but he's powerful." Backed up Jacob Hester for two seasons before starting in '08. Finished with 16 carries for 34 (2.1) and three TDs and five catches for 54. "Big man," another scout said. "He attacks you and has some power."

Good call. 8-)

[Packnut]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

Pedescleaux is still on the board, and this is a good spot for him.


completely on board with this

for good karma I'll predict this guy

backup is Clemons although Packnut likes him far more than I


I'd be happy with Pedescleaux. It's all about need. :wink:

[Gunakor]

Packers take Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU

[Lurker64]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

6'6"
305lb
36 1/2" arms
4.90 40
26 reps

Those are just numbers to me. How do they compare to successful 3-4 ends in the NFL?

Very favorably. He's big, quick, strong, and has a huge wingspan. That's basically what you want.

We took the other FB, hopefully Everette Pedescleaux will be there for one of our later picks.

[Bretsky]

or a FB

2. QUINN JOHNSON Louisiana State 6-1 249 4.79 4-5
"Finally there's a fullback," one scout said. "Best blocking fullback I've seen in a couple years. He was a linebacker that they moved (in '06). He doesn't ever run the ball or catch the ball but he's powerful." Backed up Jacob Hester for two seasons before starting in '08. Finished with 16 carries for 34 (2.1) and three TDs and five catches for 54. "Big man," another scout said. "He attacks you and has some power."


HEY HEY HEY

Picked out this one

Gotta LOVE this pick

[gbgary]

fb?

[Rastak]

Overall Football Traits

Production 3 2004: LSU red-shirts Johnson who lines up at linebacker. 2005: Johnson appears on special teams against Mississippi State and records one tackle. 2006: Johnson moves to fullback and appears in 12 games primarily in a special teams' role. He carries the ball twice for a total of six yards and records three tackles. 2007: Johnson starts five of the 14 games he appears in. He doesn't record any carries but catches three passes for a total of 21 yards. 2008: Johnson starts 10 of the 13 games he appears in rushing for a total of 28 and three touchdowns on 14 carries. He catches two passes for a total of 33 yards.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Prototypical height, prototypical bulk and adequate top-end speed.

Durability 1 Durability is not a concern to our knowledge.

Character 2 Character is not a concern to our knowledge.

Fullback specific Traits

Blocking 3 Does good job of rolling hips into blocks, strong and flashes the ability to knock defenders back on contact. Doesn't get great hand placement and fails to lock on at times so has some problems sustaining blocks.

Vision 2 Does an adequate job of reading his keys. Flashes the ability to locate secondary target when primary target doesn't show but a bit inconsistent in this area.

Athletic Ability 4 Stiff in the hips and has problems adjusting to moving targets at the second level. Struggles to plant and change directions smoothly.

Running Skills 3 Runs with low pad level and can churn out tough yards between the tackles. Lost a fumble during 2008 Mississippi State game. Lacks elusiveness and won't make many defenders miss in the open field.

Receiving Skills 4 Hands are adequate at best. Takes too long to get into routes and lacks the burst to separate from the coverage coming out of breaks.

[Bretsky]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

Pedescleaux is still on the board, and this is a good spot for him.


completely on board with this

for good karma I'll predict this guy

backup is Clemons although Packnut likes him far more than I






I'd be happy with Pedescleaux. It's all about need. :wink:



If you are all for need you gotta love this pick cause our FB's were weak

[Sparkey]

Quinn Johnson
Height: 6-03/4 | Weight: 246 | 40-Time: 4.86
Quinn Johnson | L.S.U. Tigers
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Excellent size and bulk...A dominating lead blocker...Powerful ball carrier...Very physical and aggressive...Terrific special teamer...Has some potential as a goaline specialist ...Team player... Top intangibles.

Weaknesses:
Very little experience running the ball...Does not have very good speed...Won't offer much as a receiver out of the backfield...Limited athletically...Is still relatively raw...Won't be a good fit for every team.

Notes:
Was a high school teammate of Tyson Jackson...Began his college career as a linebacker before moving to fullback in 2006...Finally got more of an opportunity to contribute in 2008 and responded with a strong senior campaign...Plays the position with a defensive mentality...Certainly not the type of versatile threat that most teams are looking for at fullback these days....Basically a one-dimensional blocking specialist ... Could make an NFL roster in the right situation.

[Waldo]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

6'6"
305lb
36 1/2" arms
4.90 40
26 reps

Those are just numbers to me. How do they compare to successful 3-4 ends in the NFL?

Bigger, faster, stronger :D

[Packnut]

Is Pedescleaux still available? If he is the athlete Waldo claims, sign him up!!! 5 tech is our #1 need right now and from the sounds of it, he is a very good prospect for it.

Pedescleaux is still on the board, and this is a good spot for him.


completely on board with this

for good karma I'll predict this guy

backup is Clemons although Packnut likes him far more than I








I'd be happy with Pedescleaux. It's all about need. :wink:



If you are all for need you gotta love this pick cause our FB's were weak

YUP! FB was a position of need. I remember watching an LSU game (my favorite CFB team) where he just flat out pancaked a LB and I sat up and said "DAMN".

[RashanGary]

or a FB

2. QUINN JOHNSON Louisiana State 6-1 249 4.79 4-5
"Finally there's a fullback," one scout said. "Best blocking fullback I've seen in a couple years. He was a linebacker that they moved (in '06). He doesn't ever run the ball or catch the ball but he's powerful." Backed up Jacob Hester for two seasons before starting in '08. Finished with 16 carries for 34 (2.1) and three TDs and five catches for 54. "Big man," another scout said. "He attacks you and has some power."

Haha. No freaking way :bow: :bow:

[Sparkey]

15 selections till the Packers pick again.


Could still get a Jamon Meredith or a Ricky-Jean Francois

Chase Coffman still out there ?

[Gunakor]

15 selections till the Packers pick again.


Could still get a Jamon Meredith or a Ricky-Jean Francois

Chase Coffman still out there ?

Coffman went to the Bengals

[Fosco33]

quinn on packers.com conf call

sounds like a few light bulbs are off

[sheepshead]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

LOL Like there's a sure thing in 1-4?


It's tradeup Sheep showing his ugly face! :lol:

Dude, this whole fucking thing is a crap shoot. If you havent figured that out by now, maybe you dont belong here.

(i can only assume your 'trade-up" comment was sarcasm)

[Joemailman]

Bills took Nic Harris, a 234 pound safety. :shock: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/nic-harris?id=71323

I wonder if he's really going to play safety.

[RashanGary]

Sitton is a big guy. Lang is a big guy. It sounds like our smallest guy, Wells, is on the way out. Now they draft this bruiser at FB. Raji is a brute. Matthews is a tough, nasty kid.


Something tells me the Packers are a little more serious about being a tough football team than some people give them credit. Sounds like this guy is a mauler. I look forward to seeing some big time blocks out of our new FB.

[Bretsky]

GB had the punter from SMU in; he's got a rocket for the leg.......but...from what I've read he may not be a good guy. But they might roll with this guy soon. They probably brought him in to test his character concerns. My gut tells me they wanted the P from Cincy but he was swiped a few picks before

THOMAS MORSTEAD Southern Methodist 6-4 225 6-7
Handled punting and FG duties from 2006-'08. "He has the most up side," one coach said. "Great size. Pretty strong. Physically, he is what you want." Averaged 43.4 on 166 punts and made 69.8% of FGs (37 of 53). Scored 37 on the Wonderlic intelligence test and can be a little hard to be around. "Just talking to him, I was expecting more," another coach said. "I guess I was a little disappointed."

[Rastak]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

LOL Like there's a sure thing in 1-4?


It's tradeup Sheep showing his ugly face! :lol:

Dude, this whole fucking thing is a crap shoot. If you havent figured that out by now, maybe you dont belong here.

(i can only assume your 'trade-up" comment was sarcasm)



I think that's fairly obvious.


You do realize there is also a risk/reward at every round?


edit: Removed shit for brains...... :lol:

[Bretsky]

or a FB

2. QUINN JOHNSON Louisiana State 6-1 249 4.79 4-5
"Finally there's a fullback," one scout said. "Best blocking fullback I've seen in a couple years. He was a linebacker that they moved (in '06). He doesn't ever run the ball or catch the ball but he's powerful." Backed up Jacob Hester for two seasons before starting in '08. Finished with 16 carries for 34 (2.1) and three TDs and five catches for 54. "Big man," another scout said. "He attacks you and has some power."

Haha. No freaking way :bow: :bow:


TT and I are subliminally dialed in this weekend :lol:

[Joemailman]

The selection of Quinn shows the Packers really are transitioning away from the ZBS. The power gap requires more of a lead blocker at FB.

[Partial]

Bretsky, who is this guy from Cinci that you have a woody for? He's a punter for crying out loud.

Then again, I remember Badgers versus FSU where their punter was a straight up hoss and should have been MVP of the game. He was awesome.

Is that guy available?

[Fosco33]

Only it has to be in Vegas and supplied by the dudes from 'Thunder from Down Under' 8-)


Gosh I'm getting this warm and fuzzy feeling towards TT now :lol:

A few more picks like this and Bretsky may volunteer to do it...

Hey Bretsky - you're up. TT has a $5bill. :P

[rbaloha1]

The selection of Quinn shows the Packers really are transitioning away from the ZBS. The power gap requires more of a lead blocker at FB.

Hope your right. The running game was better under Sherman.

[Bretsky]

Sitton is a big guy. Lang is a big guy. It sounds like our smallest guy, Wells, is on the way out. Now they draft this bruiser at FB. Raji is a brute. Matthews is a tough, nasty kid.


Something tells me the Packers are a little more serious about being a tough football team than some people give them credit. Sounds like this guy is a mauler. I look forward to seeing some big time blocks out of our new FB.


WTMJ has been saying all week Spitz is expected to compete with Wells and GB is projecting Sitton as a sure starter

[Fosco33]

Edgar Bennett is gonna talk on packers.com soon. Maybe address zone vs. power?

[Gunakor]

The selection of Quinn shows the Packers really are transitioning away from the ZBS. The power gap requires more of a lead blocker at FB.

Hope your right. The running game was better under Sherman.

The RB Sherman had, while in his prime, was better too.

[falco]

Only it has to be in Vegas and supplied by the dudes from 'Thunder from Down Under' 8-)


Gosh I'm getting this warm and fuzzy feeling towards TT now :lol:

A few more picks like this and Bretsky may volunteer to do it...

Hey Bretsky - you're up. TT has a $5bill. :P

not only will B be giving him a lap dance, but will throw in a $400 closing cost credit on TT's refi.

[Packnut]

Sitton is a big guy. Lang is a big guy. It sounds like our smallest guy, Wells, is on the way out. Now they draft this bruiser at FB. Raji is a brute. Matthews is a tough, nasty kid.


Something tells me the Packers are a little more serious about being a tough football team than some people give them credit. Sounds like this guy is a mauler. I look forward to seeing some big time blocks out of our new FB.

Remember all the struggles in short yardage? Now just give the ball to Grant and let him follow this monster of a FB.

[Rastak]

Have there been rumblings that McCarthy wants to ditch the ZBS?

I thought he really liked it.

[Rastak]

Vikings just traded up....

[RashanGary]

I'm looking forward to hearing Bennett talk about this guy. Best lead blocker in years is what one scout said.

We need some nasty near the goal line.

[cpk1994]

Edgar Beenett on Packers.com shortly.

[falco]

I am comfy with a line of Clifton/Colledge/Spits/Sitton/Giacomini, with Lang a developmental guy. Maybe in 2010 Clifton moves to the left, and Lang takes over LG (right after Colledge gets his new LG money contract!)

[Rastak]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.

[cpk1994]

Have there been rumblings that McCarthy wants to ditch the ZBS?

I thought he really liked it.He isn't totally going to ditch it. You are going to see more of what you saw last year, a combination of ZBS and power gap.

[The_Dude]

Jasper Brinkley to the Vikings.

Damn, he was one of favs this draft.

[RashanGary]

Have there been rumblings that McCarthy wants to ditch the ZBS?

I thought he really liked it.

McCarthy has insisted that he doesn't run all that much zone. A year ago McGinn was grilling him on being a finesse zone team and McCarthy said some thing like, "I don't know what you're watching, but we don't run all that much zone. We're a pro offense with a variety of blocking patterns".

Since Jags left two years ago, they really haven't been all that committed to zone. By their recent drafts (Sitton, Lang), it looks like they're not at all committed to it. They've definitely been evolving away from it.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, who is this guy from Cinci that you have a woody for? He's a punter for crying out loud.

Then again, I remember Badgers versus FSU where their punter was a straight up hoss and should have been MVP of the game. He was awesome.

Is that guy available?


Kevin Huber; ROCKET for a leg. Bengals drafted him a few picks before our last selection

[channtheman]

Hey everyone, I just got home. Darn Pacific time means you miss half of the second day. I see on Packers.com we got TJ Lang and Quinn Johnson, anyone got any opinions on these guys?

[Rastak]

Jasper Brinkly


Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2004-'05: Brinkley attends Georgia Military College. 2006: Brinkley transfers to South Carolina. He starts all 13 games accumulating 107 total tackles including 14.5 tackles-for loss and five sacks. 2007: Brinkley plays in the first four games and sustains a season-ending knee injury in the fourth game. (LSU) The NCAA grants him a medical red-shirt. 2008: Brinkley starts all 13 games accumulating 65 tackles including five tackles-for-loss and 2.5 sacks. He intercepts one pass and forces two fumbles. Brinkley earns second-team All-SEC honors in 2008.

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Good height and bulk but lacks ideal top-end speed for a three-down linebacker.

Durability 4 2007: Misses final eight games of season and undergoes knee surgery.

Character 3 Not a take-charge type of leader but a hard worker that bounced back from 2007 knee injury and done a good job of keeping weight down over the past year.

Inside Linebacker specific Traits

Instincts/Recognition 4 Appears to make sound pre-snap reads but lacks ideal instincts and takes too many false steps. Gets caught peeking into the backfield too much and frequently gets caught out position when offense runs misdirection. (see first quarter of the 2008 Vanderbilt game) Scouts have concerns about ability to pick up complex defensive schemes in the NFL.

Pursuit/Point of Attack 2 Adequate closing burst and a powerful hitter. Big and strong enough to take on blockers in the phone booth. Plays with an edge, uses powerful punch to knock offensive linemen off balance and rarely loses one-on-one battle when stays low but plays too high at times. Must learn to protect lower body with hands. Lacks ideal range and not a sideline-to-sideline run defender.

Tackling 3 Excellent tackler in close quarters but needs to do better job of breaking down in space. Overextends at times and lacks the body control to recover in time to make play when does.

Pass Coverage 4 Shows adequate awareness in zone coverage but lacks range. Stiff hips and not quick or fluid enough to match up with most NFL backs in man coverage. Marginal ball skills and not a playmaker in coverage.

Pass Rusher 2 Doesn't show a variety of pass rush moves but shows better closing speed than timed speed suggests and can run over blockers in the backfield. Relentless and makes some plays with second effort.

[Bretsky]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.


good pick there

[RashanGary]

I'm really hoping Barbre becomes a player at RT. He's extremely athletic and powerful. He's had a couple years to learn the playbook (a bit of a dummy) and work on his technique. If the light comes on for him this year, we're looking in really good shape on the OL next year and going forward (as long as we resign Spitz and Colledge before UFA).

[Rastak]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.


good pick there


Provides some young depth to MLB and EJ Henderson.

[Bretsky]

Hey everyone, I just got home. Darn Pacific time means you miss half of the second day. I see on Packers.com we got TJ Lang and Quinn Johnson, anyone got any opinions on these guys?


Good gamble on Lang; he might be a Guard and then Colledge shifts to T

Like Johnson; nasty smash mouth blocker. Upgrade IMO from our fullbacks

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.

good pick there

You make me want to puke. I think you've said this after every Vikings pick in the 4-5 years I've known you.
:D

[RashanGary]

The pattern today has been toughness. This fullback sounds like a bruiser.

Everything I read about Lang, he's going to be about a 330 lb guy. He's 315, and they say he's going to fill out into a bruiser.

Matthews is a tenacious dude. Can't wait to see him play.

Raji is a fuckin' brute. My favorite Packer pick ever.

[Partial]

Really hoping we can land that Pedescleaux 5 tech guy. If what everyone is saying is true, he could be a steal at this point.

[Rastak]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.

good pick there

You make me want to puke. I think you've said this after every Vikings pick in the 4-5 years I've known you.
:D


I'm guessing it's better to lie and disparage the pick? :wink: :P

[RashanGary]

Haha Bennett has a shit grin about this kid. Toughness, aggressive :) :)


Exciting!!

[sheepshead]

Yea, 5-7 is where you do take some chances.

LOL Like there's a sure thing in 1-4?


It's tradeup Sheep showing his ugly face! :lol:

Dude, this whole fucking thing is a crap shoot. If you havent figured that out by now, maybe you dont belong here.

(i can only assume your 'trade-up" comment was sarcasm)



I think that's fairly obvious.


You do realize there is also a risk/reward at every round?


edit: Removed shit for brains...... :lol:

No shit. Thats why your original comment was a little absurd. I didnt get it. Nor do I get that last one.

[Fosco33]

Have there been rumblings that McCarthy wants to ditch the ZBS?

I thought he really liked it.

no - just competition - bennett said quinn helps w/ gap, iso, etc -- and likes his attitude and toughness.

[channtheman]

Hey everyone, I just got home. Darn Pacific time means you miss half of the second day. I see on Packers.com we got TJ Lang and Quinn Johnson, anyone got any opinions on these guys?


Good gamble on Lang; he might be a Guard and then Colledge shifts to T

Like Johnson; nasty smash mouth blocker. Upgrade IMO from our fullbacks

I just read Lang's bio on nfldraftcountdown.com and he looks like a really good pick. Classic TT produced in college type pick. I'm liking that one so far on initial impressions.

Johnson was the top rated FB in the draft too according to that same website. They say he doesn't run the ball well but I don't think that will ever be a problem. I like Korey Hall on our team but Kuhn hasn't impressed me as much. They also say Johnson is a team player; sounds likes a Packer person.

Maybe we go with Hall and Johnson at FB this year. I'm am really excited with this years draft so far. Our first 2 picks look to help on defense immediately and these guys look like some great guys who produced in college. Thanks Bretsky.

[pack4to84]

Im thinking John Gill DT Northwestern as the next Packers pick. He would be a DE in 3-4.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.

good pick there

You make me want to puke. I think you've said this after every Vikings pick in the 4-5 years I've known you.
:D

I'm guessing it's better to lie and disparage the pick? :wink: :P

I don't lie. He's always sucking up to the Bears, Lions, and Vikings picks at draft time. I think he's just built that way.

[RashanGary]

Power on initial contact

In other words, punch you in the mouth. I'm likin this whole draft right now. Really liking these guys. At some point they're going to have to be shitty. FB's you can get later OL you can get in middle rounds. At some point it's going to have to jsut turn into flyers.

[cpk1994]

Middle of the 5th round and TT hasn't traded down once. :shock:

[Rastak]

Sheep, it seems simple me.


You don't draft Michael Hawkins 1st overall just because it's a god damned crapshoot.

There are safe picks and not so safe picks. Yes, anyone can bust but where you are drafted determines how much you get paid.

Vikings took a chance in the first round because they felt the upside was worth the risk. Rounds 5-7 it makes more sense to take guys who have bigger question marks or guys you hope to develop.

You make it sound like 1st round picks = 7th round picks as far as risk and the draft being a crapshoot. That sounds moronic.

[pack4to84]

or it might be RB Ringer

[channtheman]

Middle of the 5th round and TT hasn't traded down once. :shock:

He must really like the guys that he is picking this year and wants to get them. I've also been thinking that maybe TT knows if he doesn't produce this year that he is gone.

[RashanGary]

I don't lie. He's always sucking up to the Bears, Lions, and Vikings picks at draft time. I think he's just built that way.



Haha. I agree. Every Packer pick tends to be the whole eey'ore, we coulda done something better. (except these last couple which are really out of character).

Everything the Vikings do it's almost like he wishes he was a Viking fan :) :)


Get'ya nose outta the Vikings butt's. That is not a cheerleader. Rastak is a dude.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sheep, it seems simple me.

I agree with you on this one.
:D

[Lurker64]

Eh, it's draft day. Virtually every pick that isn't batshit insane is something you should feel optimistic about.

[Fosco33]

bears got freeman - osu lb (2nd all team big 10). I think Hunter Hillenmeyer is on his way out (my coworker is his cousin - says it's about that time).

[RashanGary]

Middle of the 5th round and TT hasn't traded down once. :shock:

He must really like the guys that he is picking this year and wants to get them. I've also been thinking that maybe TT knows if he doesn't produce this year that he is gone.

WE talked about this before the draft. There are less holes on this team for prospects. Instead of trading back, it's been theorized by many (and hinted to by TT before the draft) that Ted would sit tight and take the guy he needs more rather than moving back and taking whoevers left. Ted said there was a point of diminishing returns with drafting a dozen players. I predicted before this draft that you would see less trade downs and it has nothing to do with Ted worrying about his job. These guys are ROOKIES. They're not going to dramatically effect our season. The other 45 guys that are ready to play are going to determine this year. If Ted is ajusting his whole draft logic in the 5th round so he can get a player that is going to change his fate, he's a retard.

[cpk1994]

Eh, it's draft day. Virtually every pick that isn't batshit insane is something you should feel optimistic about.In other words any pick not made by Al Davis. :lol:

[sheepshead]

Sheep, it seems simple me.


You don't draft Michael Hawkins 1st overall just because it's a god damned crapshoot.

There are safe picks and not so safe picks. Yes, anyone can bust but where you are drafted determines how much you get paid.

Vikings took a chance in the first round because they felt the upside was worth the risk. Rounds 5-7 it makes more sense to take guys who have bigger question marks or guys you hope to develop.

You make it sound like 1st round picks = 7th round picks as far as risk and the draft being a crapshoot. That sounds moronic.


So the Lions didnt take a chance with Stafford and somehow TT, McKensie and the rest only scout 150 or so guys? You "take a chance" every round. Some are most costly than others, none of the misses are very pleasant for any of us.

[Rastak]

Eh, it's draft day. Virtually every pick that isn't batshit insane is something you should feel optimistic about.


THAT is 100% true.

[channtheman]

Eh, it's draft day. Virtually every pick that isn't batshit insane is something you should feel optimistic about.

Yeah, basically every fan that isn't a Raiders fan should be feeling optimistic around draft day.

[Sparkey]

Francois - DT - LSU
Duke Robinson - G
Herman Johnson - G ** fuckin massive guy they say can play RT


Any of these three would be nice

[Partial]

Pack up soon again. Hurry hurry hurry!

[Fosco33]

why is cadogan getting passed up by other tackles?

[Joemailman]

Would the Packers be interested in Vaughn Martin, or is that out the window with the pick of Raji?

[Bretsky]

Vikings take Jasper Brinkley.

Not a bad value.

good pick there

You make me want to puke. I think you've said this after every Vikings pick in the 4-5 years I've known you.
:D


You are just a bad sport :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Would the Packers be interested in Vaughn Martin, or is that out the window with the pick of Raji?

Is that the guy out of Canada? If so, I think he got picked.

[Sparkey]

My suprise pick --- Hoyer to the pack

[Rastak]

Would the Packers be interested in Vaughn Martin, or is that out the window with the pick of Raji?

He's already gone.

[RashanGary]

Bretsky, who is it? You've nailed two in a row.

[Rastak]

Meredith?

[HarveyWallbangers]

What did the Vikings give up by trading up for that LB?

[Waldo]

Same group as last pick, none have gone off the board.

Davis, Jennings, Peerman, Bell, Cadogan, Pedescleaux, Morrah, Clemons

Pedescleaux is my pick

[Rastak]

What did the Vikings give up by trading up for that LB?


They gave the Redskins back their 7th (the one they got for Erasmus James).


edit: and swapped 5's of course.

[Partial]

I'm hoping for Pedescleaux. Would allow us to avoid bringing in Vonnie as this guy would bring good depth and one would have to think he'd be an eventual starter given how athletic he is.

[Lurker64]

What did the Vikings give up by trading up for that LB?


They gave the Redskins back their 7th (the one they got for Erasmus James).

These are some high stakes dealings here.

[pack4to84]

Javon Ringer RB Michigan St

[Rastak]

Eagles draft Tupou.......not bad at this point.

[Fosco33]

meredith or cadogan

[Joemailman]

Rams take Brooks Foster. I wonder if he can do a drunk imitation like Foster Brooks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Mike Mickens

[Rastak]

Rams take Brooks Foster. I wonder if he can do a drunk imitation like Foster Brooks.



LOL......I forgot about that dude. Yea, he could do that routine to perfection.

[channtheman]

ESPN loves to go to commercial right as we get to pick don't they?

[Packnut]

My suprise pick --- Hoyer to the pack


I'd take his girlfriend with the nice rack! :lol:

[pack4to84]

Packers on the clock

[Gunakor]

ESPN loves to go to commercial right as we get to pick don't they?

NFLN again too...

They must conspire with each other against us.

[red]

this has to be some kind of joke

every single year when we pick both networks go to commercial instead of talking about us

[Fosco33]

let me guess - we are surprised about dual commercials

[Bretsky]

I'm not feeling a vibe yet as I just got back

Right now I think it's narrrowed down to

Chris Moorstad -SMU PUnter
Javon Ringer
Chris Clemons



Going outside the box, I'm going with the punter Moorstad and backup would be Clemons

[cheesner]

2 d picks followed by 2 offense picks. I am thibe nkin de - maybe pidex guy

[channtheman]

Seriously, how does that happen that they BOTH time their commercial breaks for the EXACT time that the Pack pick? Even if they were on a 10 minutes of coverage and then break to commercial are you telling me the Packers picks always fall on that 10 minute interval?

[Sparkey]

The pack takes -- Jamon Meredith



Scout.com Player Evaluation:
STRENGTHS
Arm Length
Feet
Flexibility

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
Body Control and Balance
Technique
Meredith is an athletic tackle who has the build of a tight end. He has a long frame with a tremendous wingspan that gives him an advantage when going up against edge rushers. He has quick feet and moves well laterally. He plays with a wide base and delivers a quick punch to the opposition. He has to work on his technique and not rely on his length. He plays too high and struggles to get low. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

[red]

nice

more o-line help

[Rastak]

I guess I got that one right.

[Fosco33]

meredith or cadogan

8-)

[Rastak]

Nice pick too!

[Joemailman]

Great value for the 5th round.

[Bretsky]

in round 5 ya gotta love this pick

[Packnut]

Can never have enough O-linemen

[channtheman]

in round 5 ya gotta love this pick

Yeah, it's a great pick for the 5th round.

[red]

this guy was rated pretty high everywhere

[channtheman]

Remember Meredith, he was the 5th we got from the Patriots.

[Packnut]

And the Ted Thompson machine rolls on!

Can we give him another contract extension right now???????????????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[RashanGary]

Wow, a lot of OL. I don't know about this guy. It's going to be a competitive group though.


Colledge
Spitz
Sitton
Clifton
Barbre
Giacomini
Wells
Lang
Merredith

[Gunakor]

Remember Meredith, he was the 5th we got from the Patriots.

Ah, that's right.

[Gunakor]

Wow, a lot of OL. I don't know about this guy. It's going to be a competitive group though.


Colledge
Spitz
Sitton
Clifton
Barbre
Giacomini
Wells
Lang
Merredith

Wells is as good as gone I think.

[Farley Face]

Wow, a lot of OL. I don't know about this guy. It's going to be a competitive group though.


Colledge
Spitz
Sitton
Clifton
Barbre
Giacomini
Wells
Lang
Merredith

Preston too.

[RashanGary]

EDIT

Colledge
Spitz
Sitton
Clifton
Barbre
Giacomini
Wells
Preston
Lang
Merredith

[Fosco33]

great draft - what else? punter, safety. cornerback?

doh - another punter gone...

[Bretsky]

[quote="Bretsky"]I'm not feeling a vibe yet as I just got back

Right now I think it's narrrowed down to

Chris Moorstad -SMU PUnter
Javon Ringer
Chris Clemons



Going outside the box, I'm going with the punter Moorstad



DAMMIT

NO just got our punter

[gbgary]

grunt-work. that's the theme of the Packers' draft so far. guys that do the grunt work. gotta have 'um.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't know much about this guy, but Mayock had him rated as his 8th best OT--just behind 2nd round picks Beatty and Loadholt. I guess he's inconsistent, but he started 38 games in the SEC and he looks ridiculously athletic for an OL. He almost looks too lean.

[red]

Wow, a lot of OL. I don't know about this guy. It's going to be a competitive group though.


i have 2 mags here that both have him ranked as the 7th best OT with 2nd round grades

mayock had him as the 8th OT
a lot draft sites have him ranked top 10

seems like we got a pretty damn good player in the 5th

[Bretsky]

great draft - what else? punter, safety. cornerback?

doh - another punter gone...



The 2nd really good punter just was snagged

I don't think there is another really good one left

So I guess S/CB/DL

[Sparkey]

Mredith on conference call

[cpk1994]

Meredith now speaking to reporters on Packers.com

[channtheman]

I don't know much about this guy, but Mayock had him rated as his 8th best OT--just behind 2nd round picks Beatty and Loadholt. I guess he's inconsistent, but he started 38 games in the SEC and he looks ridiculously athletic for an OL. He almost looks too lean.

nfldraftcountdown.com had him projected in the 2nd or 3rd round. Considering we got the 5th that we used to pick him with for our 2nd round pick, it seems decent enough.

[Carolina_Packer]

Is anyone upset that we didn't get Duke Robinson vs. Jamon Meredith? Just asking since Robinson was a name being floated out there, and he's from a sexier program.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Thompson is going back to BPA in day 2.
:D

[Gunakor]

great draft - what else? punter, safety. cornerback?

doh - another punter gone...



The 2nd really good punter just was snagged

I don't think there is another really good one left

So I guess S/CB/DL

DL depth is probably best. CB would be okay too, same as LB, as long as they have some ST's value. I don't think the need at safety is so great after signing Anthony Smith.

[cpk1994]

Is anyone upset that we didn't get Duke Robinson vs. Jamon Meredith? Just asking since Robinson was a name being floated out there, and he's from a sexier program.Now you should know by now that the school they come from doesn't matter. See Jennings, Greg, and Driver, Donald. :wink:

[RashanGary]

The nice thing is that we had so many prospects when we lost Tauscher.

I'm thinking Barbre, Giacomini, Colledge or Sitton are best bets to play RT.


By the time next year comes and we have to replace Clifton, I'm hoping one of these latest prospects is ready to either play LT or to play another position and move someone else to LT.

[Guiness]

so much talk about punters...


Is the guy we finished the season with last year that bad? Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?

[channtheman]

Is anyone upset that we didn't get Duke Robinson vs. Jamon Meredith? Just asking since Robinson was a name being floated out there, and he's from a sexier program.Now you should know by now that the school they come from doesn't matter. See Jennings, Greg, and Driver, Donald. :wink:

The school means very little to me and also the competition they played against means very little to me. So what that Jennings played at an unknown school against supposedly lesser talent, he's kickin ass in the NFL.

[mission]

Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?

Im SURE we will if we dont draft one late.. I really don't see TT snatchin one today but I wouldnt be against it.

[channtheman]

so much talk about punters...


Is the guy we finished the season with last year that bad? Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?

Who is our punter anyway? We had Ryan and then Frost. Who was the next guy?

[Carolina_Packer]

Is anyone upset that we didn't get Duke Robinson vs. Jamon Meredith? Just asking since Robinson was a name being floated out there, and he's from a sexier program.Now you should know by now that the school they come from doesn't matter. See Jennings, Greg, and Driver, Donald. :wink:

Sure, and you are right, just guaging people's reaction, not making any statement, since I don't know these players well. Just wondering what others thought. Obviously the brass knew who was available and picked Meredith.

[Bretsky]

so much talk about punters...


Is the guy we finished the season with last year that bad? Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?


IMO he's well below average

[pack4to84]

Most mocks drafts had the Pack drafting Meredith in the 2nd rd. TT still get him even without a 2nd or 3rd round picks.

[Gunakor]

so much talk about punters...


Is the guy we finished the season with last year that bad? Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?


IMO he's well below average

I think he's close to average. I remember his first game he dropped a punt 2 yards deep in the endzone and killed it right there. I thought if he can kill punts like that consistently he'll be okay in this league. Sure enough, the next punt he killed inside the 5. I think he's okay, he just doesn't have the greatest leg.

[Bretsky]

Saints traded up to get a punter

[Fosco33]

Most mocks drafts had the Pack drafting Meredith in the 2nd rd. TT still get him even without a 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Same with getting Lang (some had him in the 3rd).

If TT got some good FAs/yr, I'd have no problem with first reactions to most of his draft picks.

[Sparkey]

so much talk about punters...


Is the guy we finished the season with last year that bad? Is there something wrong with just bringing in a couple of UFA's to push him?

Who is our punter anyway? We had Ryan and then Frost. Who was the next guy?

Kapinos

[Bretsky]

I'd be down with Javon Ringer

Dude has talent when healthy

Where are all these hybrid DE to LB guys in late rounds that were suppose to be available per the early draft talk ?

[Packgator]

Most mocks drafts had the Pack drafting Meredith in the 2nd rd. TT still get him even without a 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Wow!

[RashanGary]

My least favorite Packers coach, Joe Philbin, coming up.

[Packman_26]

My guess is that Durant Brooks will end up being the punter this year. He was a practive squad guy last year after being cut by the Redskins. Packer Update likes him too.
He certainly has a strong leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2FA9xGkfY

[Packnut]

My guess is that Durant Brooks will end up being the punter this year. He was a practive squad guy last year after being cut by the Redskins. Packer Update likes him too.
He certainly has a strong leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2FA9xGkfY

I gotta feeling he's gonna be our punter when it's all said and done.

[Fosco33]

http://www.packers.com/team/players/kapinos_jeremy/
http://www.packers.com/team/players/brooks_durant/

[Sparkey]

10 selections till we pick again


I'll say it again - Ricky-Jean Francois or Mickens or Michael Bennett would be nice picks

[cpk1994]

Saints traded up to get a punterWHo let Mike Sherman into the Saints warroom? :lol: