Official Non-Packer Games Thread

[digitaldean]

If the Packers win their games (especially the conference ones), we should be OK.

Giants just re-took the lead.

[CaliforniaCheez]

After the early games the Packers Strength of Victory number went up as did their Strength of Schedule.

[Rastak]

Niners driving in a 14-14 game.


edit: Niners turn it over.

[Airin' Rodgers]

I get that the Giants winning would help towards the 5 seed, but if we just want the packers to make the playoffs we should cheer for Dallas right? That would give ATL and NYG 6 losses

[Rastak]

Niners tie it up in Seattle.

[Rastak]

Dallas getting their ass kicked.

[Sparkey]

Believe the G-men have this game. Up 14 with 5 1/2 to play.

[Rastak]

I get that the Giants winning would help towards the 5 seed, but if we just want the packers to make the playoffs we should cheer for Dallas right? That would give ATL and NYG 6 losses

Welcome to the forum.


I think you are correct myself. Concede the Cowboys the east and hope everyone else keeps splitting or losing.

[Airin' Rodgers]

Thanks for the welcome, I have been a reader for a while.

Giants look to have this game in the bag. Barring a major collapse of Redskins magnitude

[Rastak]

Thanks for the welcome, I have been a reader for a while.

Giants look to have this game in the bag. Barring a major collapse of Redskins magnitude


Man the Skins blew that. Niners-Hawks is the last competitive game left until tonight.

[Airin' Rodgers]

Unless Dallas can recover the onside kick....

[Rastak]

Hawks look to win it with 4 seconds and a FG attempt.


edit: Game set match.

[Rastak]

Unless Dallas can recover the onside kick....


Indeed.

Didn't happen so Giants win it.

[Airin' Rodgers]

I'm not so sure that didn't hit the giant's players helmet

[Airin' Rodgers]

Oh well. Hopefully the Pack shows up tomorrow and secures the hold on the WC position

[CaliforniaCheez]

I get that the Giants winning would help towards the 5 seed, but if we just want the packers to make the playoffs we should cheer for Dallas right? That would give ATL and NYG 6 losses

That's playing it safe.

Today the Eagles got the NFC East. The Cowboys are a Wild Card. A Packer win Monday makes them the #1 Wild Card.

A Packer loss Monday gives them the #2 Wild Card.

You want to cheer for the Eagles to beat the Giants next week.

[Bretsky]

I'm not so sure that didn't hit the giant's players helmet


WELCOME TO THE FORUM :!:

[Rastak]

I'm not so sure that didn't hit the giant's players helmet


Way too close to call from Tivo'ing it.

[MOBB DEEP]

i like that; Airin'

[Rastak]

I get that the Giants winning would help towards the 5 seed, but if we just want the packers to make the playoffs we should cheer for Dallas right? That would give ATL and NYG 6 losses

That's playing it safe.

Today the Eagles got the NFC East. The Cowboys are a Wild Card. A Packer win Monday makes them the #1 Wild Card.

A Packer loss Monday gives them the #2 Wild Card.

You want to cheer for the Eagles to beat the Giants next week.


Isn't it a bit early to declare the Eagles the divisional champs?


edit: I will agree they have the inside track for sure.

[Airin' Rodgers]

I get that the Giants winning would help towards the 5 seed, but if we just want the packers to make the playoffs we should cheer for Dallas right? That would give ATL and NYG 6 losses

That's playing it safe.

Today the Eagles got the NFC East. The Cowboys are a Wild Card. A Packer win Monday makes them the #1 Wild Card.

A Packer loss Monday gives them the #2 Wild Card.

You want to cheer for the Eagles to beat the Giants next week.


Isn't it a bit early to declare the Eagles the divisional champs?


edit: I will agree they have the inside track for sure.

I think when he said they got the NFC East, he meant just as of now. But yes agreed that they have the easier path.

Dallas has San Diego, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. Tough sledding

[CaliforniaCheez]

Oh well. Hopefully the Pack shows up tomorrow and secures the hold on the WC position

The Falcons, 49'ers, Bears, and Seahawks are pretty much out of it.

The Packers are now competing with the 2 NFC East teams that don't win the division. Having the Cowboys as one of them is a good thing because the supreme tiebreaker is head to head win.


Eagles 8-4, Conf 7-2, Div 3-1
Cowboys 8-4, Conf 6-3, Div 2-2
Giants 7-5, Conf 5-3, Div 3-1

The Giants have the Eagles at Home, @ WAS, CAR, @ vikings (1 or 2 losses)
The Cowboys have home v SD, @ NO, @WAS, Home v. Eagles (2 or 3 losses)
The Eagles have @Giants, 49'ers, Denver, @ Cowboys (1 or 2 losses)

[MOBB DEEP]

Thanks CC

Me thinks Warner and Fritz are about to GO OFF tonight!

[Airin' Rodgers]

So I assume the best way to go would be: Cheer for whoever is playing NY or Dallas.

[packers11]

LETS GO CARDDDDDDS!!!

UPSET! UPSET!

[Rastak]

LETS GO CARDDDDDDS!!!

UPSET! UPSET!


Repeat of last year!

[MOBB DEEP]

LETS GO CARDDDDDDS!!!

UPSET! UPSET!


Repeat of last year!

Favre throws six TDs again? :wink:

[gex]

Wow I'm amazed....at the obscure stats and records they manage to bring up, find, or just make up for all these games.

[gex]

nice swat at the ball!!!

[ThunderDan]

Did you just see Larry Fitzgerald drive the pile an extra 5 yards? I've always liked him but now I LIKE him.

[Bossman641]

Damn, hell of a catch and run by Boldin

[ThunderDan]

I have always thought that ARI had the best 1-2 WR combo in the NFL but I'm starting to think there is a bit of a seperation between them and the #2 team in the NFL talentwise.

[Rastak]

Damn, hell of a catch and run by Boldin



No kidding, great play.

[red]

wow, what a catch by boldin

[mission]

wow, what a catch by boldin

he's having a monster game... reminds me of when he first took the league by storm before injuries/trade requests.

[mission]

Boom! Go Cards!

[ThunderDan]

Go Cardinals!!!!!!

Interesting to see how MINN will respond in the 2nd half having to play from behind.

[Rastak]

Go Cardinals!!!!!!

Interesting to see how MINN will respond in the 2nd half having to play from behind.


Cards are playing well, and I agree.

[ThunderDan]

Is the Slinger coming out???

[Rastak]

Is the Slinger coming out???


Hope so, sling that ball down the field.



Actually, they need to start running the ball. I think that's the key today.

[packers11]

Favre just threw a gift to Cards but Wilson couldn't catch it :lol:

[packers11]

another gift throw up... they finally caught it

[ThunderDan]

Favre starting to press?

[PlantPage55]

DecemBRETT Favre finally shows his face!!!

[Packerarcher]

DecemBRETT Favre finally shows his face!!!

He hasn't even had ONE bad game this year,and you bring shit like that up.

[pbmax]

DecemBRETT Favre finally shows his face!!!

He hasn't even had ONE bad game this year,and you bring shit like that up.
Are you objecting to the name or the late season decline? While I can understand objecting to the former (though it seems pretty mild) the troubles in his last 6 games dating back several seasons is pretty strongly backed up by his stats.

[ThunderDan]

DecemBRETT Favre finally shows his face!!!

He hasn't even had ONE bad game this year,and you bring shit like that up.

Give it a rest!

BF has stuck it to Packer Nation all year, two losses and 10-1 record. Let us have our fun when a Viking QB throws an INT. I am sure you wouldn't have written that last year defending T Jack if a "silly" nickname was used to discribe him.

[ThunderDan]

Lucky whistle there?

[MJZiggy]

Well, he slung it...

[Packerarcher]

I was objecting to the fact that some will start the "Favre late season slide" crap,after merely one bad game if that. When the fact is the whole Viking team has looked flat tonight.

[Guiness]

There's a throw I recognize - 3rd and long, down by a couple of scores...

[Iron Mike]

I just wish they could blow that Viking horn now.

And every time Favre shits the bed from now on. :P

[packers11]

Favre is starting to force it. 2 INTS. I expect 1-2 more to come.

[PlantPage55]

DecemBRETT Favre finally shows his face!!!

He hasn't even had ONE bad game this year,and you bring shit like that up.

Wow. Considering that I am specifically talking about December Brett, which we are clearly seeing tonight, I think you are the one who is out of line, sir.

I am a fucking Packer fan. I want to see the Vikings and Brett Favre go down in flames. Excuse me for reveling in it.

[ThunderDan]

I was objecting to the fact that some will start the "Favre late season slide" crap,after merely one bad game if that. When the fact is the whole Viking team has looked flat tonight.

I know what you are saying but how does a slide start? With one game?

[PlantPage55]

I was objecting to the fact that some will start the "Favre late season slide" crap,after merely one bad game if that. When the fact is the whole Viking team has looked flat tonight.

Once again, we throw the team in front of "the legend" riding on the cart.

[Guiness]

seems like the Vikes can't run at all

Docket that dominating?

[pbmax]

I was objecting to the fact that some will start the "Favre late season slide" crap,after merely one bad game if that. When the fact is the whole Viking team has looked flat tonight.
Fair enough, it is one game. And it is against the enigma that is the Arizona Cardinals. Mild mannered most of the season, then play lights out in certain games. Sometimes they look Super Bowl bound; other times like they should be fighting the 49ers to stay out of 3rd place in the West.

[packer4life]

I was objecting to the fact that some will start the "Favre late season slide" crap,after merely one bad game if that. When the fact is the whole Viking team has looked flat tonight.

stop being a cry baby. kick favre while he's down :)

[pbmax]

Nice punt. From the stats tonight it looks like the Vikings O line is playing like Favre's O line in Green Bay early in 2007. Pass blocking is OK, but run blocking going nowhere. 2 sacks, but 56 yards rushing.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

They are who we thought they were!

I'm glad the Cardinals are taking the paper crown off of Favre and the Viking's heads.

[Guiness]

And Favre goes down again.

Enigma is a good work for Arizona. This the same team that lost to SF and Carolina?

[packers11]

ouch. looks like Griffin just got a concussion.

[Guiness]

and another Vike down. Ouch.

Nice run by Hightower, with a solid straight arm at the end. To the facemask, but kept his hand open.

On another topic, the Card uni's are awful

[The_Dude]

Pretty sure Henderson is done for the season. That replay of the hit made me cringe.

[MJZiggy]

Did that leg just do what I thought it did? I hope not. Ow.

[Lurker64]

Ouch, looks like E.J. Henderson broke his femur. His leg sort of went Gumby on that play. I don't really care to look at it again. That's a big loss for the Vikes.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

What happened? They aren't showing the replay and I don't have Tivo.

[mmmdk]

Jello leg :shock: Too bad !

[mmmdk]

On another topic, the Card uni's are awful

Gosh, I must be weird, as I think the Card uniform is cool.

[packers11]

another FG. Queens gunna be down by 20...

[Willard]

Please dont show the Henderson replay again. I need to sleep tonight! Tough night for the Vikes. He is done for the year for sure. Hopefully it is not more serious than that.

[Willard]

What happened? They aren't showing the replay and I don't have Tivo.
EJ got hit low by a team mate. His leg shattered, and flailed about in a grotesque, unnatural way. I hate the VIkes, but I dont like to see that happen to anybody.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

What happened? They aren't showing the replay and I don't have Tivo.
EJ got hit low by a team mate. His leg shattered, and flailed about in a grotesque, unnatural way. I hate the VIkes, but I dont like to see that happen to anybody.

Agreed, tough luck for the guy. He was playing great this year.

[MJZiggy]

Was it the femur or did the knee shred?

[Cheesehead Craig]

What happened? They aren't showing the replay and I don't have Tivo.
EJ got hit low by a team mate. His leg shattered, and flailed about in a grotesque, unnatural way. I hate the VIkes, but I dont like to see that happen to anybody.

Agreed, tough luck for the guy. He was playing great this year.

I'll be shocked if he can come back from that and be anything close to what he was. That one one of the nastiest injuries I've ever seen.

[Willard]

Was it the femur or did the knee shred?

I dont see how his leg could have done what it did (as he was flying through the air) unless his knee was destroyed. It was bending in directions it should not be bending, if you know what I mean.

[packers11]

found it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKu7SpnGKE

I didn't get to see the replay on T.V.

[gbgary]

not watching the game but saw that you tube vid. looks like all knee to me.

[Lurker64]

not watching the game but saw that you tube vid. looks like all knee to me.

Yeah, on further review I agree. That looks like the total package, since the knee doesn't flop around like that unless you've torn a bunch of ligaments. That might be worst than Daunte's knee injury, to compare recent catastrophic knee injuries for Viking players.

[MJZiggy]

Was it the femur or did the knee shred?

I dont see how his leg could have done what it did (as he was flying through the air) unless his knee was destroyed. It was bending in directions it should not be bending, if you know what I mean.

I hope the repair goes well and it heals quickly. I wonder if his career is done.

[esoxx]

The lower bones of leg likely broke, tibia & fibula. Likely corresponding ligament damage in the knee due to the unnatural wrenching action.
Reminds me of Willis McGahee injury, both were frontal shots followed by grotesque images. Although McGahee's blow was higher up on the leg.
Hopefully E.J. can bounce back like McGahee did but it will take about two yrs.

[gbgary]

who was it that had the total knee distruction playing football in the sand at the pro bowl a few years ago? i think he tore every ligament.

[Lurker64]

Was it the femur or did the knee shred?

I dont see how his leg could have done what it did (as he was flying through the air) unless his knee was destroyed. It was bending in directions it should not be bending, if you know what I mean.

I hope the repair goes well and it heals quickly. I wonder if his career is done.

It looks like he damaged both the ACL and the MCL, so the recovery time on that will stretch into next season (if not the season after). Considering, as a LB, he needs to cut and change direction a lot, it could be a tough road back for him.

Big blow for the Vikes.

[gbgary]

Was it the femur or did the knee shred?

I dont see how his leg could have done what it did (as he was flying through the air) unless his knee was destroyed. It was bending in directions it should not be bending, if you know what I mean.

I hope the repair goes well and it heals quickly. I wonder if his career is done.

It looks like he damaged both the ACL and the MCL, so the recovery time on that will stretch into next season. Considering, as a LB, he needs to cut and change direction a lot, it could be a tough road back for him.

Big blow for the Vikes.

and the posterior cruciate also...from the hyper extension.

[Bossman641]

Just watched the replay, ouch. You hate to see that happen to a guy. Henderson was placed on IR last year as well right? Best of luck EJ.

[Lurker64]

Just watched the replay, ouch. You hate to see that happen to a guy. Henderson was placed on IR last year as well right? Best of luck EJ.

Yeah, last year he had a toe injury that required surgery, IIRC.

[red]

i just saw the replay too

thats a bad one. looks like the whole knee exploded for lack of a better term

i would have to guess his career is in serious jeopardy

[MJZiggy]

Ya know, with all the criticism we give the broadcast teams, I gotta applaud them for not replaying serious injuries like that repeatedly. It was bad enough to watch the one replay.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

i just saw the replay too

thats a bad one. looks like the whole knee exploded for lack of a better term

i would have to guess his career is in serious jeopardy

My god that was awful. I wish I had not searched for it on youtube now.

[red]

who was it that had the total knee distruction playing football in the sand at the pro bowl a few years ago? i think he tore every ligament.

robert edwards of the pats

he was a good looking rookie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edwards_%28running_back%29

he almost had to have his leg amputated

[gbgary]

who was it that had the total knee distruction playing football in the sand at the pro bowl a few years ago? i think he tore every ligament.

robert edwards of the pats

he was a good looking rookie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edwards_%28running_back%29

he almost had to have his leg amputated

thanks. four years of rehab before he was able to come back.

[Packgator]

who was it that had the total knee distruction playing football in the sand at the pro bowl a few years ago? i think he tore every ligament.

Robert Edwards (Patriots RB)

Edwards made the Pro Bowl his rookie year. He was hurt in a league sanctioned flag football game on the beach. It was a non-contact injury but Charles Woodson was somehow involved in the play in which he was injured.

[BZnDallas]

EJ suffered a broken femur so says brad childress from pft... gosh you just hate to see anything like this happen to anyone... prayers go out to the henderson family, hopefully this isn't career ending


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/06/ej-henderson-carted-off/

[channtheman]

Just got back from the Cardinals game. Boy oh boy was that a fun game to be a non Viking fan at. Oh and Ras, I gotta ask, are all Vikings fans such wimps? We had Vikes all around us and they were cheering and jeering at us and we were giving it back all through the first quarter. Then as soon as they started losing, it was no longer any fun for them to trash talk with us. They were telling us to "quiet down" etc. Excuse me? You come to Arizona and tell ME to quiet down at MY stadium? Bunch of losers who can dish it out but can't take it.

[red]

EJ suffered a broken femur so says brad childress from pft... gosh you just hate to see anything like this happen to anyone... prayers go out to the henderson family, hopefully this isn't career ending


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/06/ej-henderson-carted-off/

sounds like EJ got very lucky if its just a broken femur

it looked to me like like everything in his knee tore apart for it to just be hanging there like that

[MOBB DEEP]

They are who we thought they were!

I'm glad the Cardinals are taking the paper crown off of Favre and the Viking's heads.

Its december so right on cue the cowgirls and favre are faltering...

[CaptainKickass]

I gotta ask, are all Vikings fans such wimps?

Really Chan?

Do you really need to ask?

Seems a bit rhetorical to the Captain.

[gbgary]

very surprised the only damage was the femur. it looked a lot worse than that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gruesome injury. Sorry to see it happen.

[Airin' Rodgers]

From what I read, the femur is indeed broken. But Childress also said that he is yet to find out the damage in the knee. I don't think the leg can move like that if there is no knee damage. I am no expert though

[esoxx]

Holy Smokes that's a very rare football injury. More associated with MVA's and the like. The exertion required to fracture a femur bone is quite high. Would be surprised if he can come back anything close to form, if at all.

Proves again that football is not a contact sport; it's a collision sport.

Dancing is a contact sport.

[digitaldean]

Is it just me or are the Steelers sucking canal water tonight?

Just catching bits & pieces on the nfl.com/live website & it's looking UGG-LEE vs. the Brownies.

[Lurker64]

Yeah, I'm kind of worried that the Steelers will continue sucking it up and get angry when we come to town.

Then again, if you don't get angry after losing to the Chiefs and Raiders, why would you get angry after losing to the Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns?

[Scott Campbell]

Yeah, I'm kind of worried that the Steelers will continue sucking it up and get angry when we come to town.

Then again, if you don't get angry after losing to the Chiefs and Raiders, why would you get angry after losing to the Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns?


The Browns are a division opponent.

[digitaldean]

Yeah, I'm kind of worried that the Steelers will continue sucking it up and get angry when we come to town.

Then again, if you don't get angry after losing to the Chiefs and Raiders, why would you get angry after losing to the Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns?

Yeah, but you can also say that the Steelers are getting hot again if they come back and win. Bottom line is the Packers have to do their job this week, next week and every week regardless of the situation.

If the Steelers lose, stick a fork in them. If they win, they're still on the outside looking in for the WC. There are so many teams that have a tiebreaker over them that it'll be a tough road even if they do win tonight.

[pbmax]

The Browns are now sort of the emeritus role of rival for the Steelers like the Bears are for the Packers. The rivalry with the Ravens (as they have been much better for quite sometime and more of a threat) plays the role of the Vikings.

But for the Browns and their fans, this win would make everything seem a whole lot better for a week.

[Lurker64]

Yeah, I'm kind of worried that the Steelers will continue sucking it up and get angry when we come to town.

Then again, if you don't get angry after losing to the Chiefs and Raiders, why would you get angry after losing to the Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns?


The Browns are a division opponent.

But they're the Lions of the AFC North...

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I want Cribbs in Green Bay next year.

[pbmax]

Stunning. Held them to 6 points.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

So, I guess there are two ways we can look at this. Pittsburgh could go in to a mini bye-week, prepare for the Packers like no other team, and play us like we're their superbowl. Or Pitt could pack it in and gives us a lackluster effort.

I could see the former happening. The Pit game and the Bears worry me the most out of our remaining schedule

[green_bowl_packer]

Smartest thing Millen has said in about ten years "Never under-estimate the power of a rivalry." Much better than his, "four is larger than three", comment which he said at some point in the first half.

[Bossman641]

Roethlisberger was sacked 8 times? :shock: Wow

[digitaldean]

Between the TB loss and this stinker of a game (from Pitt's point of view), hopefully our lads in Green and Gold can get an immediate lesson.

Don't come prepared and don't execute, you'll get beat more often than not.

[digitaldean]

For Pittsburgh, they are essentially the #10 seed. They have a 4-5 conf. record plus they still have to play the Ravens and the Fins in the AFC. Ravens beat them once before. Even running the table may not get them in.

Wow, what a fall from the title! :shock:

[Lurker64]

One possible angle here is that the Steelers might put Polamalu in IR now. Since they're essentially playing for nothing (Jacksonville wins this weekend and they're all but mathematically eliminated; having six conference losses hurts for tiebreakers), there's no reason to rush Polamalu back. If he was really close to healthy, the game to rush him back for would be the one against a divisional foe in a thursday night game, when you basically need to win out in order to make the playoffs. At this point in Pittsburgh though, the guys pretty much have to be playing for 2010 (either draft position, or to keep their jobs for next year).

[TennesseePackerBacker]

5 losses by 3 points or less, 1 by 6 and 1 by 7. Ladies and gentlemen! your 2008 Green Bay Packers!

[ThunderDan]

5 losses by 3 points or less, 1 by 6 and 1 by 7. Ladies and gentlemen! your 2008 Green Bay Packers!

If Ben Rothlesberger was a finisher PITT would have won all of those games. Big Ben is an overrated QB, if he had "it" PITT would be 11-2 not 6-7. He had the ball in his hands numerous times in those losses late in the game and couldn't put up points. If I was PITT I would look at developing that Dixon guy he's the next NFL superstar. Maybe they should trade for Cutler.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol:

[hoosier]

5 losses by 3 points or less, 1 by 6 and 1 by 7. Ladies and gentlemen! your 2008 Green Bay Packers!

If Ben Rothlesberger was a finisher PITT would have won all of those games. Big Ben is an overrated QB, if he had "it" PITT would be 11-2 not 6-7. He had the ball in his hands numerous times in those losses late in the game and couldn't put up points. If I was PITT I would look at developing that Dixon guy he's the next NFL superstar. Maybe they should trade for Cutler.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol:

Too bad the person who needs to hear this is no longer with us. :lol:

[mraynrand]

5 losses by 3 points or less, 1 by 6 and 1 by 7. Ladies and gentlemen! your 2008 Green Bay Packers!

If Ben Rothlesberger was a finisher PITT would have won all of those games. Big Ben is an overrated QB, if he had "it" PITT would be 11-2 not 6-7. He had the ball in his hands numerous times in those losses late in the game and couldn't put up points. If I was PITT I would look at developing that Dixon guy he's the next NFL superstar. Maybe they should trade for Cutler.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol:

Too bad the person who needs to hear this is no longer with us. :lol:

What? Really?

[hoosier]

apparently you havent set foot in the garbage dump recently

[mraynrand]

apparently you havent set foot in the garbage dump recently

You mean the Garbage Can? I am not registered for that area and never will be. Did Partial go nuts or something and get banned? I notice he hasn't posted in a while. It's not a loss.

[Scott Campbell]

He was making a compelling argument as to why everyone else needed to change, when out of nowhere it was like lightning struck.

[mraynrand]

He was making a compelling argument as to why everyone else needed to change, when out of nowhere it was like lightning struck.
It's like he Brownies winning. Whodathunkit? Well, some who saw Pittsburgh lose to Oakland.

Browns fans are very happy - and cold.

[hoosier]

Somebody else used the metaphor of "suicide by cop." I think he just kept pushing and pushing at those administrative buttons until he finally hit one. For what it's worth, I disagree with Scott Campbell's "lightning" reference: if anything, the end result was extremely anti-climactic.

[Scott Campbell]

For what it's worth, I disagree with Scott Campbell's "lightning" reference:......


I also disagree with Scott. It was tongue and cheek.

[hoosier]

Oh, I see. I thought it was your flair for the dramatic.

[Bossman641]

Andre Johnson is a beast. HUGE first half against the Seahawks

[Badgerinmaine]

I guess the Ravens figured out how to take out their frustrations after last week's loss in Green Bay--they are up on the Lions 48-3 with 5 minutes to play. Pow.

[Badgerinmaine]

Holy crow--Brandon Marshall broke an NFL record with 21 receptions today--and the Broncos are still going to lose. Wow. :shock:

[Brando19]

Nice to see Vick connect on a deep pass to set up first and goal. Philly up 7-0 at this point...GO EAGLES!!!

[Willard]

From the "Department of Slightly Odd and Unimportant Facts" -- NY Giants' 2 starting safeties are: Aaron Ross & Aaron Rouse.

[MOBB DEEP]

Nice to see Vick connect on a deep pass to set up first and goal. :D

VICK DA GREAT...

[Maxie the Taxi]

Rouse is a pretty good safety when the refs don't call holding.

Lashon McCoy would look pretty good in a Packer uniform.

[gbgary]

giants need to get a td on this opening drive of the second half and then play some d ffs.

[MJZiggy]

At least it's getting to be an interesting game...

[pbmax]

Has to be a fumble by Manning there.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Nice to see Vick connect on a deep pass to set up first and goal. Philly up 7-0 at this point...GO EAGLES!!!

Not a Packer fan?

It is better for the Packers if the Giants win.

[MJZiggy]

I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble? And he was down before the ball came out.

[pbmax]

Manning was going down to slide, not because of the defender's hold on his jersey. No stumble. A bad slide to avoid the defender in front of him to his left.

[pbmax]

I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble? And he was down before the ball came out.
No longer true if you go down under your own power. If you have possession and get hit by a defender, then it cannot.

[MJZiggy]

But his knee was still down...?

[MJZiggy]

Is our Special teams out there playing defense tonight? Yeesh!

[Guiness]

Weaver is 250lbs, and gets carries?

[pbmax]

Eagles recover nicely after taking a couple of shots from the Giants and retaking a two score lead. Nice drive for the last one. 90 yards I think.

[Guiness]

Nice drive.

I get the feeling the Eagles are a little like us this year. Spotty at times, great at others, no one knows if they've got a team.

[Brandon494]

Nice drive.

I get the feeling the Eagles are a little like us this year. Spotty at times, great at others, no one knows if they've got a team.

Every team is spotty at times, even the Saints and Colts.

Its unrealistic to think a team can play perfect every snap.

[Guiness]

great catch, but looks like it's going back

[Rastak]

Great friggen catch by Crabtree. Dude looks like a player.

[mission]

who do we want to win this one?

[Bretsky]

Great friggen catch by Crabtree. Dude looks like a player.



dude looks like a star :!:


Man, this must make Raider Fans Sick

[MJZiggy]

I've heard rumor we want AZ. Easy win for 'em, huh?

[red]

Great friggen catch by Crabtree. Dude looks like a player.



dude looks like a star :!:


Man, this must make Raider Fans Sick

i think you need to be worried more about fitz

get your shit together b

[Rastak]

Great friggen catch by Crabtree. Dude looks like a player.



dude looks like a star :!:


Man, this must make Raider Fans Sick

i think you need to be worried more about fitz

get your shit together b

Why, is he on his opponents FF team?

Also note, he just went down with a knee injury. Great player, hope he's ok.

[Bretsky]

Great friggen catch by Crabtree. Dude looks like a player.



dude looks like a star :!:


Man, this must make Raider Fans Sick

i think you need to be worried more about fitz

get your shit together b


I'm done
2 pts from Moss
4 from Fitzgerald

That demonic chick power has overwhelmed my team; it may lead to my retirement :lol:

[Rastak]

Check this out....in the playoffs, I'm down by 16 to start the game. I have the Niners defense and my opponent is done. I now lead by 6!

Dayum as MOBB would say.

[Bretsky]

I needed 14 dam points from Fitz; 7 for 70........and he's hurt. Moss got me two points and Quintan Gathers scored 25...all leading to my demise

[Bretsky]

I think GB can kick the crap out of the Cards; would love to see them in the playoffs

[Rastak]

I needed 14 dam points from Fitz; 7 for 70........and he's hurt. Moss got me two points and Quintan Gathers scored 25...all leading to my demise


Sorry to hear that Bretsky. My team sucks, it's a miracle I'm in the playoffs let alone winning for the moment.

[Rastak]

Fitz back on the sideline.

[MJZiggy]

Almost thought they were gonna make a game of it...

[mission]

49ers looking like the Pack in this one. 89 first half turnovers and AZ is still hangin around.

[Guiness]

How was that NOT Offensive PI on Wilson?

[BallHawk]

This game really makes you realize how important the #1 Wild Card is compared to the #2 Wild Card. Team that lost to the Titans and 49ers or dominant NFC East team? No comparison.

[pbmax]

This game really makes you realize how important the #1 Wild Card is compared to the #2 Wild Card. Team that lost to the Titans and 49ers or dominant NFC East team? No comparison.
:shock:
Would that be the dominant NFC East team that lost to the Raiders, or the one that beat the Redskins by a point or the one that is 7-6 with an 11 net point differential? :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

What a quandry:

49ers are better than cards? Cards are better than Vikes? Vikes are better than 49ers? pack is better than 49ers? thus better than cards? thus better than Vikes at this point?

Round 3 pack v favre is gonna be AWESOME!

[gbgary]

What a quandry:

49ers are better than cards? Cards are better than Vikes? Vikes are better than 49ers? pack is better than 49ers? thus better than cards? thus better than Vikes at this point?

Round 3 pack v favre is gonna be AWESOME!

hope you're right (if it comes to that). it all depends on how our defense is allowed to play (hope they learned something from the first two) and injuries of course.

[denverYooper]

Holy crap, Dallas is just abusing New Orleans right now. Of course, you can't be up too many scores on the Saints.

[Brando19]

http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=10237&link=1

How bout them Cowboys? Maybe the Saints aren't as good as they are on paper? The NFC South is very weak and that's 6 wins right there.

[Rastak]

Holy shit, Josh Cribbs houses 2!

Both 100 yards....

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Holy shit, Josh Cribbs houses 2!

Both 100 yards....

I'll say it once and I'll say it a hundred times. TT needs to go out and get Cribbs. Simply amazing game-changer.

[Guiness]

I don't know about that TPB.

PR/KR have short shelf lives. See: Dante Hall, Devin Hester.

I could be wrong, but I think Cribbs is a tweaner, without a real position on the O. My guess is that in a year or two, we don't hear from him anymore. If I was Cleveland, I'd be dangling him for a 1st, or a 2nd and 3rd.

[Rastak]

Delmas takes a Warner pass the other way 101 yards for a TD.

[Guiness]

Tennessee shredding Miami. Young with 3TD passes (and 1 int) as well as 2 carries for 24yds.

Johnson averaging 5yd/carry.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I don't know about that TPB.

PR/KR have short shelf lives. See: Dante Hall, Devin Hester.

I could be wrong, but I think Cribbs is a tweaner, without a real position on the O. My guess is that in a year or two, we don't hear from him anymore. If I was Cleveland, I'd be dangling him for a 1st, or a 2nd and 3rd.

As a poster I hardly ever display a serious bias or man-love to a player from another team. I reserve the right to ride the Cribbs bandwagon, if only for the reason that I don't normally do this. Conventional wisdom says you're right. But even if we got Cribbs, and even if he was only good for 2-3 years for us. It would still pay enormous dividends. Imagine if we had a play-maker like that returning kicks instead of the white tortoise.

[pbmax]

What a quandry:

49ers are better than cards? Cards are better than Vikes? Vikes are better than 49ers? pack is better than 49ers? thus better than cards? thus better than Vikes at this point?

Round 3 pack v favre is gonna be AWESOME!
Here you go Moob. This site will resolve all those conflicts for you.

http://beatpaths.com/2009/12/14/2009-nfl-week-14-beatpath-graph/

Here is how it works:

http://beatpaths.com/2005/10/21/nfl-beatpaths-2/

Here is how your question of what to think if Team A beats Team B beats Team C, but then Team C beats A.

http://beatpaths.com/2005/10/27/removing-beatloops/

[Rastak]

Matt Ryan looks terrible today.

[Rastak]

Lions driving, down by 3.

[woodbuck27]

What a quandry:

49ers are better than cards? Cards are better than Vikes? Vikes are better than 49ers? pack is better than 49ers? thus better than cards? thus better than Vikes at this point?

Round 3 pack v favre is gonna be AWESOME!

Session three...

Packers Vs Vikings. The matchup that will have one of the top rated viewers audiences in NFL history, I predict, if it comes about. I want to see that game so much. :D

[Rastak]

Lions with the ball on the Cards 17 down by 7.

[pbmax]

Brutal. No gain on 4th and 1. Skipped the FG with 9 minutes left.

[Rastak]

Miracle catch in Tennesee, Phins driving down by 8.

[DannoMac21]

ATL takes lead late

[woodbuck27]

A drive under pressure by an up and coming QB (Matt Ryan) and his charges.

Atlanta 10 - NY Jets 7

4-6-NYJ 6 (1:42) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass short right to T.Gonzalez for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN

Timeout #1 by ATL at 01:47.


3-6-NYJ 6 (1:47) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to T.Gonzalez (D.Revis).

2-6-NYJ 6 (1:53) M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to R.White (J.Leonhard).


Timeout #1 by NYJ at 01:53.


1-7-NYJ 7 (1:58) J.Snelling up the middle to NYJ 6 for 1 yard (S.Pouha).


Two-Minute Warning


Timeout #1 by NYJ at 01:53.


1-7-NYJ 7 (1:58) J.Snelling up the middle to NYJ 6 for 1 yard (S.Pouha).


Two-Minute Warning


1-10-NYJ 27 (2:06) J.Snelling up the middle to NYJ 7 for 20 yards (K.Rhodes, B.Thomas).

3-9-ATL 42 (2:15) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass deep right to R.White pushed ob at NYJ 42 for 16 yards (D.Strickland). PENALTY on NYJ-D.Strickland, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at NYJ 42.

1-10-NYJ 27 (2:06) J.Snelling up the middle to NYJ 7 for 20 yards (K.Rhodes, B.Thomas).

3-9-ATL 42 (2:15) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass deep right to R.White pushed ob at NYJ 42 for 16 yards (D.Strickland). PENALTY on NYJ-D.Strickland, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at NYJ 42.

2-10-ATL 41 (2:58) M.Ryan pass short right to J.Snelling to ATL 42 for 1 yard (Ba.Scott, D.Strickland).

1-10-ATL 41 (3:04) M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to R.White.

3-5-ATL 32 (3:10) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass short right to J.Norwood pushed ob at ATL 41 for 9 yards (D.Harris).

2-7-ATL 30 (3:50) M.Ryan pass short right to O.Mughelli to ATL 32 for 2 yards (K.Rhodes).

1-10-ATL 27 (4:27) M.Ryan pass short right to J.Snelling to ATL 30 for 3 yards (Ba.Scott).

[Rastak]

Looks like the Falcons knock off the Jets.

[Rastak]

Wow, Phins tie it up!

[pbmax]

Its Vinsanity time. Less than 2 minutes left.

[Rastak]

Lions tie it up!

[Bossman641]

WTF is Jeff Fisher thinking. Why would you not take your TO's there?

[woodbuck27]

Wow, Phins tie it up!

also . . . the KC Chiefs ties the Browns and the score is knoted at 34 at the two minute warning.

and Cards and Lions tied as well at 24 with 3:48 remaining in the 4th quarter.

[pbmax]

Big return for Arizona. Nice drive by Stanton for tying TD.

[Rastak]

Jerome Harrison has 286 yards rushing....wow.

[woodbuck27]

Browns go up 41-34 with 00:44 remaining in the 4th quarter.

What a day for RB Jerome Harrison of the Cleveland Browns.

286 yards and 3 TD's on 34 carries.

Jerome Harrison #35 RB Cleveland Browns

Years: 4th season - Age: 26

Born: 2/26/1983 ... Hometown: Kalamazoo, MI

Height: 5-9 ; Weight: 205 ; College: Washington State

[woodbuck27]

What is with the Arizona Cardinals?

They almost lost this matchup with the Lions winning 31-24.

[Fosco33]

Cutler - 10 for 27 for 94 yards and 3 INTs.

Hasselbeck had 4 INTs.

[MOBB DEEP]

Vikes are fat cats

might go down this eve

[Bossman641]

Vikings look really bad

[pbmax]

2 bad games of last three, both in the South. :lol:

What was the temperature in Carolina?

[pbmax]

Right now Charlotte is 28.5 degrees F.

[mraynrand]

Right now Charlotte is 28.5 degrees F.

Brrrrrrr......very....c..c..c....c......old.

http://graphics2.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/dec04/10_1219.jpg

Hope not #3 seed......

[denverYooper]

go skins!

[Badgerinmaine]

Boy, what a bad start for Washington...24-0 and it's not even halftime yet. :(

[pbmax]

Boy, what a bad start for Washington...24-0 and it's not even halftime yet. :(
Giants might be the team no one want to play. Offensively, anyway.

[mission]

Boy, what a bad start for Washington...24-0 and it's not even halftime yet. :(
Giants might be the team no one want to play. Offensively, anyway.

They'd be least of my (playoff) worries. Solid talent, but not enough to cause mismatch problems imo.

[pbmax]

Boy, what a bad start for Washington...24-0 and it's not even halftime yet. :(
Giants might be the team no one want to play. Offensively, anyway.

They'd be least of my (playoff) worries. Solid talent, but not enough to cause mismatch problems imo.
Objectively, I agree with your point. But every time I have watched them, they are strafing somebody's defense. Which is why I am sticking to my theory that the NFC East is overrated. :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

panthers up 10-0 on NYG

[MOBB DEEP]

panthers 17-0

[HowardRoark]

17-0

[MOBB DEEP]

24-0

crowd booing heavily

guess panthers are pretty good and minny didnt simply lay an egg??

ALL GROWN MEN OUT THERE

[MOBB DEEP]

GO SKINS!!!

[Bossman641]

24-0

crowd booing heavily

guess panthers are pretty good and minny didnt simply lay an egg??

ALL GROWN MEN OUT THERE

No, Minny still laid an egg

[pbmax]

Can anyone explain the Houston Texans? They lost to the teams they should beat and beat teams that seem better than they are. I have no idea how good they might be.

[pbmax]

NO honks a FG to win it. Going to OT.

[MOBB DEEP]

Bucs rule!

ALL GROWN MEN OUT THERE...!

Vikes gota be kickn themselves

[BallHawk]

Money all the way through.

[Bossman641]

Ravens have had some killer penalties. 2 flags to take away TD's and then just got flagged for illegal contact on a Zbikowski INT.

Pitt wins

[red]

wow

wasn't expecting that

now lets hope NO doesn't roll off 5 straight after losing to the bucs

[BallHawk]

Ravens have had some killer penalties. 2 flags to take away TD's and then just got flagged for illegal contact on a Zbikowski INT.

Pitt wins

The great Frank Walker strikes again :D

[denverYooper]

Ravens have had some killer penalties. 2 flags to take away TD's and then just got flagged for illegal contact on a Zbikowski INT.

Pitt wins

Yup, in another near-death experience.

[pbmax]

Ever get the feeling that Andy Reid and McNabb do not enjoy success?

[pbmax]

Broncos tie Philly in Philly while missing Eddie Royal (injury) and Brandon Stokley (emotional disorder). There is no team the Packers should fear in the NFC playoffs.

[pbmax]

McNabb saves the day and pulls a hamstring.

[denverYooper]

Ever get the feeling that Andy Reid and McNabb do not enjoy success?

I thought that was a Philadelphia thing.

[pbmax]

Ever get the feeling that Andy Reid and McNabb do not enjoy success?

I thought that was a Philadelphia thing.\
No, though they are quite inhospitable at times. McNabb pulled their bacon out of the fire.

[MJZiggy]

Go Skins! (no matter how bad you suck!)

[MOBB DEEP]

cant believe tonight is the last MNF game; season zoomed by

how interesting that favre of all ppl is playing in prime time to end season

minny better run peterson All Day since bears cant stop it and favre is wearing down!

will favre check out of runs just to prove his gangsta mettle?

[MJZiggy]

will favre check out of runs just to prove his gangsta mettle?

He'll do it just to piss Chilly off because he knows the media will be watching for the reaction.

[gbgary]

will favre check out of runs just to prove his gangsta mettle?

He'll do it just to piss Chilly off because he knows the media will be watching for the reaction.

lol

[gbgary]

way to go cubs. 13-0 chicago nearing the half.

[packer4life]

the bears looked possessed on D!

[red]

queens don't look so hot heading into the playoffs

there's reason for concern in the land of purple

[gbgary]

lovie screws up and could have run two plays but settles for an fg attempt.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Delicious

[gbgary]

Delicious

yes. i want the eagles to overtake minn for the second spot and for dallas and minn to meet in the first round. that way it's insured that one of my two most-hated will be knocked out in the first round.

[RashanGary]

Eagles are scary good. Minnesota does NOT want to play Dallas, then go to Philly on the road.


This game is HUGE.

[RashanGary]

Who wins the tiebreaker between the Vikings and Eagles?

[Bretsky]

I don't want the Eagles or Saints til the title game

MN looks worse each week.

Perhaps we'll get the last harrah when GB knocks the Vikings out of the playoffs

[denverYooper]

This is awesome.

[RashanGary]

Perhaps we'll get the last harrah when GB knocks the Vikings out of the playoffs


That's the spirit :)

-from another thread, thanks for the read.

[Fred's Slacks]

Who wins the tiebreaker between the Vikings and Eagles?

If MN loses tonight, Philly will control their own destiny for the 2 seed.

[RashanGary]

Dallas is a solid team. They're going to play their hearts out for that home playoff game and who knows, the big stadium, the revenue, that just reeks of a game that the NFL wants Dallas to win.

As far as tonights game, Favre is playing OK. Missing a couple throws, a couple drops. It's not all him, but Chicago is doing a good job of showing one thing and doing another, just sort of keeping Minny out of a rhythm.

I have little doubt that the Vikings are a solid team, damn solid, but they're really only scary on their home turf with that crowd advantage. With two road games, I don't think they have any more of a chance than the Packers do.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Who wins the tiebreaker between the Vikings and Eagles?

If MN loses tonight, Philly will control their own destiny for the 2 seed.

Favre in philly.....mmmmmm...delicious.

[RashanGary]

Nice drive by Favre. He saw some things he wanted to see. The Bears were really playing the run lanes, so the pass pro was great.

That's what makes the Minny offense a little scary. When you have to play to stop AP, Favre can sit back there. When he has time like that, he's gong to make plays.


I don't know what Minnesota has done to counter that bad first half, but hopefully Chicago can figure it out and take back control of this game.


but the Bears aren't going to lay down. Nice ST's play.

[denverYooper]

These announcers seem to like the Vikings quite a bit.

[gbgary]

huge block in the back missed on that kick off. lol

[RashanGary]

It's wierd watchng Cutler and thinking "get rid of it, the pressures coming". Normally I'm hoping he gets crushed. Just strange rooting for them.

[pasquale]

It's wierd watchng Cutler and thinking "get rid of it, the pressures coming". Normally I'm hoping he gets crushed. Just strange rooting for them.

agreed. first time that i ever remember cheering for the bears.

[RashanGary]

Ouch! Big penalty.



For some reason, I don't picture Brett getting the time he had on the last drive. Something tells me Lovie is going to dial up a little pressure this time.

[gbgary]

These announcers seem to like the Vikings quite a bit.

every game gruden does all the players he talks about are god's gift to football. lol

[RashanGary]

agreed. first time that i ever remember cheering for the bears.



For such a long time he was a dividing force. Now he's a uniting force, uniting Bear fans and Packer fans against him :)