Official Packers vs. Patriots Game Day Thread

[gbpackfan]

that was all on mccarthy! what the fuck was with the early timeouts!!!!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

[pbmax]

Great tackle by Chung to prevent the first down.

[channtheman]

Couldn't even let the ball go. Last play. Just throw the ball ass!

[Guiness]

God fucking damn Flynn.

I don't know that I hang that on Flynn. That's a tough spot for him to be in, he didn't have a play. He just doesn't have the 2 minute O down pat.

[Charles Woodson]

You have to be fucking kidding me. That was straight out of the book of how to lose a game in the last few minutes by Mike fucking McCarthy

[Kiwon]

Tough way to lose.

GB had this game at different points.

[mmmdk]

The Squbby Stubby game with time to fuck it up too !

[packerbacker1234]

There the inexperience and lack of 2 minute practice came into effect. Does not, in anyway, change how I feel about Flynn at this juncture. He just needed more practice time in the 2 minute drill. With playoff hopes still alive, I sincerely hope he get smore 2 minute practice time the rest of the year. Rodgers has had two concussions, who knows when we may need flynn to step in the the next two games. Here's hoping the bears lose.

[Fred's Slacks]

We played a hell of a game but once again beat ourselves. FUCK.

[channtheman]

I think I figured out this being an expert analyst thing. I would have done the exact same thing as the Packers did.

[retailguy]

Flynn played really well. We played way better than I ever thought we would. Anyone bitching about this is pretty sad. No inexperienced QB could've done that better.

[Jimx29]

this is right on the so called commander in chief of ours

[denverYooper]

You'd have to be pretty deeply entrenched in your hatred to say the Packers lost this game because of poor coaching.

[Freak Out]

Don't you have two plays called in that situation? WTF M3?

[mmmdk]

Terrible clock management by Flynn. Just awful.

I've heard this, like, 30 times in ragards to Stubby! Will never, ever change.

Stubby is a loser.

[channtheman]

3 dropped INT's two of which led to 10 points for the Pats, one interception that led to 7 points for the Pats, and a huge kickoff return led to 7 points (though in a 2 minute drill the Pats score anyway, imo so this is moot). 17 points given up. Terrible once again.

[Fosco33]

Call me crazy - but I have an okay feeling about this game. Preseason (and up until last week) - I and 90% of fans out there pencilied this a L. Now that Flynn is in - it's up to 98%.

I think this may be a bit of a trap - and the Pack may play inspired ball.

I look for this to be much closer than most are thinking and it coming down to the 4th Q.

From there - it's hard to bet against mr. 4th quarter...

27-23

This was a lot of what I expected. Pack just has to beat NYG and CHI to get into the playoffs. This game shows we are able to play with anyone - and maybe it's what we needed.

[retailguy]

You'd have to be pretty deeply entrenched in your hatred to say the Packers lost this game because of poor coaching.

+1

[Bossman641]

There the inexperience and lack of 2 minute practice came into effect. Does not, in anyway, change how I feel about Flynn at this juncture. He just needed more practice time in the 2 minute drill.

I agree. Hell of a game by Flynn but he fucked up the end something awful.

[red]

they really should have had a timeout at the end there. i have no clue why m3 called that second timeout when we had them on their heals

not a bad game though tonight. young qb making his first start, lots of dropped passes and 3 dropped int's and pathetic St's and we still almost beat the hottest team in football with 14 guys on the IR

damn, so close

[gbpackfan]

You'd have to be pretty deeply entrenched in your hatred to say the Packers lost this game because of poor coaching.

Huh? How can you be so blind? The time management at the end of the game was over the top pathetic.

[Jimx29]

Thanks M3 for the great time management. You cost a perfect result for a rookie QB. Now he's gonna hang his head low and be discouraged instead of inspired

[sheepshead]

MM sure can be a dunce sometimes

[Freak Out]

The Pack did play a hell of a game....but a few big mistakes is all it takes.

[mmmdk]

I hate that I'm right [about Stubby]; I so miffed that I want to see McCarthy fail...hence we lose. Frek it, it's about the Lombardi Trophy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners. We just lost 31-27 to the New England Patriots at their place with Matt Flynn at QB. A Patriots team that has won 27 consecutive home games when Tom Brady starts. Let's beat the Giants and Bears and then kick the shit out of the Bears in the first round of the playoffs.

[sheepshead]

You'd have to be pretty deeply entrenched in your hatred to say the Packers lost this game because of poor coaching.

Huh?

[Teamcheez1]

+1

We coached just well enough to lose. That's all that matters. There are no moral victories.

[sheepshead]

8-8 here we come

[Bossman641]

Don't you have two plays called in that situation? WTF M3?

They called the timeout before second down. They lined up for the 2nd and 3rd down plays pretty quickly, which would lead me to believe they had 2 plays called coming out of the timeout. I've never heard of a team having 3 plays called coming out of a timeout.

[Fosco33]

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners. We just lost 31-27 to the New England Patriots at their place with Matt Flynn at QB. A Patriots team that has won 27 consecutive home games when Tom Brady starts. Let's beat the Giants and Bears and then kick the shit out of the Bears in the first round of the playoffs.

+1

[Fritz]

True, Red. Lots of dropped passes, two dropped interceptions, and the Pack came within a an inch of beating the Pats.

This team needs to buckle down next week and lay a hurting on Feeli Manning and the Gints.

[channtheman]

I'm kind of sick of the 2 or 3 people who constantly bash everyone else.

[retailguy]

We coached just well enough to lose. That's all that matters. There are no moral victories.

This is wrong on so many counts I don't know where to start. This was a hell of a good game on the Packers part and probably the best game McCarthy has coached all season.

[mmmdk]

yeah take a timeout, let them catch their breath and let a much smarter coach then you figure things out

McCarthy sucks! Squib fucker too!

[pbmax]

I will say this: this league is ripe for the taking and the Packers, even with the injuries, are good enough to take it. But they keep coming up short.

[mission]

Now maybe the guys who keep putting 4th quarters on Rodgers can finally realize that MM is a complete joke as a game manager. Absolute fucking garbage. I suppose Flynn doesn't have what it takes either??? Hardly.

If MM gets scapegoated this season because of injuries, I don't know what I'll do. I can't take this anymore. They aren't flukes. There are real statistics over a decent sample to support this.

Talent and Dom Capers has us in every game, but MM finds a way to give our edge to the other team.

[Tony Oday]

Chuck Woodson gets an int we win...FUCK MM for not coaching his QB up in a 2 minute drill.

[Bossman641]

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners. We just lost 31-27 to the New England Patriots at their place with Matt Flynn at QB. A Patriots team that has won 27 consecutive home games when Tom Brady starts. Let's beat the Giants and Bears and then kick the shit out of the Bears in the first round of the playoffs.

Not only that. The last time they lost to a NFC team at home was 8 years ago....against the Packers. Anyone bitching about MM after this game is out of their mind.

[Fred's Slacks]

The most frustrating part is that if we show up and play like that against Detroit we blow them out. Instead we go out there with our heads you know where and lose an extremely important game. Then we come in fired up and play well in a meaningless game, only to find a way to lose anyway. Fuck me.

[Joemailman]

You'd have to be pretty deeply entrenched in your hatred to say the Packers lost this game because of poor coaching.

Agreed. If MM were as bad a coach as a lot of people here think, this game would have been a blowout. There was no logical reason to think the Packers would be in this game. MM had his team better prepared than Belichick did.

[pbmax]

I think I figured out this being an expert analyst thing. I would have done the exact same thing as the Packers did.

You would be very accurate, given the success off the team. But you still wouldn't understand why.

[vince]

This is wrong on so many counts I don't know where to start. This was a hell of a good game on the Packers part and probably the best game McCarthy has coached all season.
+1 and +1 to Harvey as well.

[PA Pack Fan]

Mcarthy continues to call squib kicks. Even after the debacle!

[vince]

Agreed. If MM were as bad a coach as a lot of people here think, this game would have been a blowout. There was no logical reason to think the Packers would be in this game. MM had his team better prepared than Belichick did.
100% agree.

[PA Pack Fan]

Cut me a break, MM lost the game.

[retailguy]

The most frustrating part is that if we show up and play like that against Detroit we blow them out. Instead we go out there with our heads you know where and lose an extremely important game. Then we come in fired up and play well in a meaningless game, only to find a way to lose anyway. Fuck me.

Honestly? The team lost their franchise QB in the 1st half of the game. The inexperienced backup comes in to play behind a crap line, and still played well into the 4th QTR. Hell of an effort on Flynns part.

OUr problem is the same thing it's been for the past 4 seasons - THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

[mmmdk]

TT won't do shit about McCarthy. Slocum is done, I think. Bye, bye championship(s).

[gbpackfan]

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners. We just lost 31-27 to the New England Patriots at their place with Matt Flynn at QB. A Patriots team that has won 27 consecutive home games when Tom Brady starts. Let's beat the Giants and Bears and then kick the shit out of the Bears in the first round of the playoffs.


Hahahaha. Okay buddy. You keep your green and gold glasses on. 6 games lost this season by a total of 20 points! MM has a problem winning close games, plain and simple. And we are not going to kick the shit out of anyone in the playoffs, if we happen to get in. This team is beat to shit, has the special teams of a pop warner team and a coach who needs to read Time Management for Dummies. Now by no means do I think the Packers are out of it, but sticking your head in the sand and ignoring MMs fuck ups arent going to make them go away.

[pbmax]

We coached just well enough to lose. That's all that matters. There are no moral victories.

So NO credit for getting the team to evenly play perhaps the best team in the league at home.

[PA Pack Fan]

If your gonna go anywhere, you gotta win the close games. We never, ever do.

[mmmdk]

Hahahaha. Okay buddy. You keep your green and gold glasses on. 6 games lost this season by a total of 20 points! MM has a problem winning close games, plain and simple. And we are not going to kick the shit out of anyone in the playoffs, if we happen to get in. This team is beat to shit, has the special teams of a pop warner team and a coach who needs to read Time Management for Dummies. Now by no means do I think the Packers are out of it, but sticking your head in the sand and ignoring MMs fuck ups arent going to make them go away.

Spot on gbpackfan.

[mission]

Not only that. The last time they lost to a NFC team at home was 8 years ago....against the Packers. Anyone bitching about MM after this game is out of their mind.

How can you possibly say this? This isn't about this loss -- I thought we played well. This is about Detroit, and Chicago, and Washington, and... when the games are close at the end of the game, MM has shown time and time again that this is a situation he just can't handle.

For everything the guy does well, this major deficiency is a huge factor in the outcome of football games. It can't be argued. This team has skill, MM can do some things. But there's not a big enough edge to make up for his inability to manage the actual game.

[PA Pack Fan]

So NO credit for getting the team to evenly play perhaps the best team in the league at home.


Ever consider the DEFENSE kept them in the game? That is run by Dom Capers, not MM.

[gbpackfan]

It's not MM's overall playcalling. It's how he manages close games at critical times. His record in close games is RED FLAG, whether you chose to believe it or not is on you. What, he is like 5-16 in close games now?

[sheepshead]

Poor tackling and poor clock management lost this game. Both point to poor preparation in my opinion, which is the ultimate responsibility of the head coach. This one's on MM.

[Fred's Slacks]

Honestly? The team lost their franchise QB in the 1st half of the game. The inexperienced backup comes in to play behind a crap line, and still played well into the 4th QTR. Hell of an effort on Flynns part.

OUr problem is the same thing it's been for the past 4 seasons - THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

My point was that we played in Detroit with our heads up our asses. Are you Honestly arguing against that? Honestly?

[mmmdk]

So NO credit for getting the team to evenly play perhaps the best team in the league at home.

Sure...won't you buy me a winner with that credit then? :lol:

[Bossman641]

Going into this game 99% of people were expecting the Patriots to kick the shit out of the Packers.

You realize they haven't lost at home to a NFC team in 8 years right?

[PA Pack Fan]

How can you possibly say this? This isn't about this loss -- I thought we played well. This is about Detroit, and Chicago, and Washington, and... when the games are close at the end of the game, MM has shown time and time again that this is a situation he just can't handle.

For everything the guy does well, this major deficiency is a huge factor in the outcome of football games. It can't be argued. This team has skill, MM can do some things. But there's not a big enough edge to make up for his inability to manage the actual game.
Exactly. MM is just not smart.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This team is beat to shit

No shit. But it's McCarthy's fault, right? Anybody expecting the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders with their walking wounded need to lower their expectations. Hell of an effort by the team tonight. Getting to the playoffs would be a really nice accomplishment this year. Beating the Bears in the playoffs would make for a great season. Let's do it.

[vince]

That kickoff coverage at the end of the first half was embarassing. Other than that (and a couple dropped picks), this was a good performance against the Super Bowl favorites at home with our star QB out of the game.

[denverYooper]

It's not MM's overall playcalling. It's how he manages close games at critical times. His record in close games is RED FLAG, whether you chose to believe it or not is on you. What, he is like 5-16 in close games now?

The fact that this game was as close as it was is a credit to that staff. That team played a hell of a game.

[retailguy]

My point was that we played in Detroit with our heads up our asses. Are you Honestly arguing against that? Honestly?

The loss was much more complicated than that. I believe I understand why we lost to Detroit. I didn't agree with your analogy, and I still don't.

[gbpackfan]

Spot on gbpackfan.

Thank you mmdk. I'm not a whiner nor do I hate the Packers or McCarthy. I love the Pack and actually like McCarthy. But he has some warts, they need to be fixed. Thats all Im saying.

[Bretsky]

Did I have a dream that a big slow white OL returned a kickoff 71 yards, setting a new record, and nearly took it to the house ?

[mmmdk]

We kicked their asses and lost - that's on squibby and time management.

[Bossman641]

No shit. But it's McCarthy's fault, right? Anybody expecting the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders with their walking wounded need to lower their expectations. Hell of an effort by the team tonight. Getting to the playoffs would be a really nice accomplishment this year. Beating the Bears in the playoffs would make for a great season. Let's do it.

I agree. Packers need to take care of business the next 2 weeks and then go from there.

If they fail the next 2 games THEN I will be bitching.

[retailguy]

Did I have a dream that a big slow white OL returned a kickoff 71 yards, setting a new record, and nearly took it to the house ?

Yes, it was a dream. Go back to sleep.

[gbpackfan]

No shit. But it's McCarthy's fault, right? Anybody expecting the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders with their walking wounded need to lower their expectations. Hell of an effort by the team tonight. Getting to the playoffs would be a really nice accomplishment this year. Beating the Bears in the playoffs would make for a great season. Let's do it.

It was a great effort. But if IFS and BUTS were cherries and nuts we could make one hell of a Packer Sundae! 5-16 in close games. Oh well, I have no energy, nor desire, to argue. We are all Packer fans and at the end of the day I just want to watch our team win! So Im all about cheering my ass of next week and kicking the shit out of that little bitch ELI!

[mmmdk]

Thank you mmdk. I'm not a whiner nor do I hate the Packers or McCarthy. I love the Pack and actually like McCarthy. But he has some warts, they need to be fixed. Thats all Im saying.

Warts can be fixed...but then it's not warts on Stubby's face! Stubby deserve a team like Bengals, not Packers.

[gbpackfan]

The fact that this game was as close as it was is a credit to that staff. That team played a hell of a game.


Yeah, they did. But once you start settling for GREAT EFFORT, you're a lions fan.

[mr_blonde]

So NO credit for getting the team to evenly play perhaps the best team in the league at home.

No.

This team is now 7-16 in games decided by 7 points or less since 2008. This is a negative trend/characteristic in which someone has to be held accountable. That person is Mike McCarthy.

Of course, being held accountable is something you wouldn't understand since you can't hold a job; still live at home with your mommy and daddy and; spend your days toggling between this website and gay porn sites ...

Do us all a favor and STFU .... You Loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mmmdk]

Ok - I'm done venting.

GG by Packers but it's still a loss.

Goodnight everyone; you're all good Packer fans.

Peace!

[denverYooper]

Yeah, they did. But once you start settling for GREAT EFFORT, you're a lions fan.

Lions won today.

[Fred's Slacks]

The loss was much more complicated than that. I believe I understand why we lost to Detroit. I didn't agree with your analogy, and I still don't.

I wasn't making an analogy. We played like shit and lost to detroit. We played well and lost to NE. No analogy. Just frustration.

I beleive that if we played well agianst Detroit we would have won an important game. Still no analogy.

Instead we played well against NE and lost anyway in a game that was not very important. Am I an idiot for being frustrated about that?

[Joemailman]

If this team gets to the playoffs, considering the injury situation, MM would deserve consideration for Coach Of The Year. He won't get it, but he'd deserve it. I'm not saying he's a great coach, but he deserves better than the criticism he gets here. The last time the Packers had anything close to the kind of injuries they've had this year, they went 4-12.

[pbmax]

Think of the teams that are supposed to have the best talent: Vikings, Cowboys, Chargers, Giants, Jets, Patriots, Saints and Ravens. McCarthy has outperformed all but two of them. Talent only gets you so far. Ask San Diego or the Cowboys. Or Chilly.

[gbpackfan]

Lions won today.

What was their effort level?

[Jimx29]

Spot on gbpackfan.
X's 2
apparently some here think we didn't lose that game that was just on TV

[pbmax]

Ever consider the DEFENSE kept them in the game? That is run by Dom Capers, not MM.

How many points did the D score? How many turnovers and short fields? Did the D get to play with the lead?

[Patler]

So NO credit for getting the team to evenly play perhaps the best team in the league at home.

Nope. Not, if you lose. Coaching well enough to almost win is simply coaching bad enough to lose. Same difference.

We see the same thing, loss after loss after loss. One part or another of the team double clutches at crucial times. I don't think this team has a lot of confidence in itself in close games.

[Bossman641]

No.

This team is now 7-16 in games decided by 7 points or less since 2008. This is a negative trend/characteristic in which someone has to be held accountable. That person is Mike McCarthy.

Of course, being held accountable is something you wouldn't understand since you can't hold a job; still live at home with your mommy and daddy and; spend your days toggling between this website and gay porn sites ...

Do us all a favor and STFU .... You Loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just do everyone a favor and get off the board.

[pbmax]

Exactly. MM is just not smart.

You are right. Flynn played well because seventh round draft picks have all the talent in the world. McCarthy taught him nothing, nor put him in a position to win.

[retailguy]

I wasn't making an analogy. We played like shit and lost to detroit. We played well and lost to NE. No analogy. Just frustration.

I beleive that if we played well agianst Detroit we would have won an important game. Still no analogy.

Instead we played well against NE and lost anyway in a game that was not very important. Am I an idiot for being frustrated about that?

I didn't say you were an idiot. I didn't even imply that. Be as frustrated as you want. But the Detroit game and this game weren't even comparable.

[Bossman641]

Nope. Not, if you lose. Coaching well enough to almost win is simply coaching bad enough to lose. Same difference.

We see the same thing, loss after loss after loss. One part or another of the team double clutches at crucial times. I don't think this team has a lot of confidence in itself in close games.

This is one point I can agree with. They need a shot of confidence.

[Joe]

Just do everyone a favor and get off the board.

He won't be bothering anybody for the next month.

[denverYooper]

What was their effort level?

High.

[retailguy]

night all - I'm beat.

[Freak Out]

They called the timeout before second down. They lined up for the 2nd and 3rd down plays pretty quickly, which would lead me to believe they had 2 plays called coming out of the timeout. I've never heard of a team having 3 plays called coming out of a timeout.

Thanks.. I thought they might have sent two in on third..but I forgot about the timeout...I'm not sure how playcalling over the headsets works either.

[denverYooper]

This is one point I can agree with. They need a shot of confidence.

Ah, but can that be coached in? Therein lies the rub.

[mission]

This is one point I can agree with. They need a shot of confidence.

Success is when preparation meets opportunity. Their lack of confidence comes from MM's lack of confidence. He tightens up. You can see it, his teams are not prepared. Why didn't they have a set of scripted plays for this exact situation for Flynn? Or maybe call 2-3 plays at once during one of the other timeouts? Anything to show that their coach put them in the absolute best position to win.

Little things like this adds up to losses. The expectations of this particular game don't matter. We had opportunities like we've had all year and once again took a piss down the leg. Teams personify their (top) leader.

[pbmax]

Nope. Not, if you lose. Coaching well enough to almost win is simply coaching bad enough to lose. Same difference.

We see the same thing, loss after loss after loss. One part or another of the team double clutches at crucial times. I don't think this team has a lot of confidence in itself in close games.

I think by your terms of a different part of the team struggling, then we are not seeing the same thing over and over. I am worried about the close game record too, but other than penalties and a willingness to settle for long FGs, I do not see a trend with him that is costing him. And penalties or FGs were not the problem tonight.

Tonight he had a QB that could not call another play on the fly while eitherr listening to his headset or ignoring it. That is new. Rodgers has not had a problem calling the play at the line.

[Iron Mike]

All I can say is on the replay of the final play, the only thing I noticed was Colledge standing in space, blocking no one, while NE rushed three and STILL managed to sack Flynn.

Please explain to me why Campen still is employed.

[Patler]

Success is when preparation meets opportunity. Their lack of confidence comes from MM's lack of confidence. He tightens up. You can see it, his teams are not prepared. Why didn't they have a set of scripted plays for this exact situation for Flynn? Or maybe call 2-3 plays at once during one of the other timeouts? Anything to show that their coach put them in the absolute best position to win.

Little things like this adds up to losses. The expectations of this particular game don't matter. We had opportunities like we've had all year and once again took a piss down the leg. Teams personify their (top) leader.

I tend to agree. We have seen this same scenario time and time again. It is no longer just "one of those things." It is now what should be expected from McCarthy in similar situations. Confusion, desperation and failure.

[pbmax]

Success is when preparation meets opportunity. Their lack of confidence comes from MM's lack of confidence. He tightens up. You can see it, his teams are not prepared. Why didn't they have a set of scripted plays for this exact situation for Flynn? Or maybe call 2-3 plays at once during one of the other timeouts? Anything to show that their coach put them in the absolute best position to win.

Little things like this adds up to losses. The expectations of this particular game don't matter. We had opportunities like we've had all year and once again took a piss down the leg. Teams personify their (top) leader.

No one calls three plays. he called two the previous timeout on 2nd down, if memory serves (and it might not, I have been horrible on down recall lately).

[Bossman641]

Success is when preparation meets opportunity. Their lack of confidence comes from MM's lack of confidence. He tightens up. You can see it, his teams are not prepared. Why didn't they have a set of scripted plays for this exact situation for Flynn? Or maybe call 2-3 plays at once during one of the other timeouts? Anything to show that their coach put them in the absolute best position to win.

Little things like this adds up to losses. The expectations of this particular game don't matter. We had opportunities like we've had all year and once again took a piss down the leg. Teams personify their (top) leader.

They called the timeout before second down. They lined up for the 2nd and 3rd down plays pretty quickly, which would lead me to believe they had 2 plays called coming out of the timeout. I've never heard of a team having 3 plays called coming out of a timeout.

[pbmax]

I tend to agree. We have seen this same scenario time and time again. It is no longer just "one of those things." It is now what should be expected from McCarthy in similar situations. Confusion, desperation and failure.

Do you paint Capers this same way because his defense allowed a late score? Against no huddle? And against runs versus the nickel?

[Bossman641]

No one calls three plays. he called two the previous timeout on 2nd down, if memory serves (and it might not, I have been horrible on down recall lately).

The TO was before second down.

[Patler]

I think by your terms of a different part of the team struggling, then we are not seeing the same thing over and over. I am worried about the close game record too, but other than penalties and a willingness to settle for long FGs, I do not see a trend with him that is costing him. And penalties or FGs were not the problem tonight.

Tonight he had a QB that could not call another play on the fly while eitherr listening to his headset or ignoring it. That is new. Rodgers has not had a problem calling the play at the line.

I see a lot of trends from him, all leading to failure. The biggest is that instead of wringing as many opportunities (plays) out of a limited time as he can, he seems willing to give himself about four plays to score regardless how far away he is.

[Noodle]

I say the Hooded One put the scrambler on and totally screwed with Stubby's ability to radio in the final play to Flynn.

That F-er will stoop lower than a snake's belly to win.

I'll say this -- I'm totally impressed with the way the team didn't fold after that horrific end of the first, start of the second half. Dudes fought tough. Stubby tried to milk too much clock at the end, but then everyone one this board agreed with that at the time. You know you were all thinking "don't score too quickly."

So give the guy a friggin' break.

But FIRE SLOCUM!

[pbmax]

I see a lot of trends from him, all leading to failure. The biggest is that instead of wringing as many opportunities (plays) out of a limited time as he can, he seems willing to give himself about four plays to score regardless how far away he is.

Because of TO usage or the speed with which plays get called? He doesn't run much in the 2 minute drill and he does have the QB spike.

He does not seem to insist on sideline routes except in very specific situations. What else have you seen?

[Iron Mike]

Little things like this adds up to losses. The expectations of this particular game don't matter. We had opportunities like we've had all year and once again took a piss down the leg. Teams personify their (top) leader.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that whenever Mr. and Mrs. Mc Carthy fuck, about the time that M3 should start the "piledriver" maneuver, his left eye starts wandering and he comes about five minutes before he should??

[denverYooper]

I see a lot of trends from him, all leading to failure. The biggest is that instead of wringing as many opportunities (plays) out of a limited time as he can, he seems willing to give himself about four plays to score regardless how far away he is.

With a backup quarterback in limited time?

[Patler]

Do you paint Capers this same way because his defense allowed a late score? Against no huddle? And against runs versus the nickel?

Not so much in this game, because at least they got the final stop to give the offense an opportunity. Unfortunately, the use of the final four and a half minutes by the offense was quite poor.

But overall, the defense had some moments, but also offered little to no resistance at other times. Which lead to MM not being aggressive in the final minutes. His goal was to use up all the time so as not to put the game in the hands of ST first, then the D.

He did not approach the end of the game with confidence.

[pbmax]

And its odd, because the one thing I have not liked about McCarthy's offense when down (either four minute or two minute offense) is that he doesn't hold back anything and tends to score early. Which puts his defense back out there. But that does not seem to be panic in this game. He might be facing the best offense in the league.

You could argue that the TOs came from too far away or they should have gone hurry up earlier, that I can see. But it seems specific to this game. Going slowly was helping get good calls to Flynn in his normal pattern. he probably had not run too much no huddle.

[Patler]

With a backup quarterback in limited time?

This was just one time of several, but even tonight, with Flynn, they could have used the last 4 minutes better than they did. The sad thing is that a little more efficient use to give them another 10 seconds may have allowed them to run a normal play scenario on the last play.

MM appeared scared of scoring with too much time left, so he frittered time away, then didn't have enough time for himself on the final play.

[Joemailman]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that whenever Mr. and Mrs. Mc Carthy fuck, about the time that M3 should start the "piledriver" maneuver, his left eye starts wandering and he comes about five minutes before he should??

I think it's just you.

[Iron Mike]

I think it's just you.

I beg to differ.

[vince]

The 14 points handed to the Patriots by Flynn and the KO coverage team were pretty big in this game.

[denverYooper]

This was just one time of several, but even tonight, with Flynn, they could have used the last 4 minutes better than they did. The sad thing is that a little more efficient use to give them another 10 seconds may have allowed them to run a normal play scenario on the last play.

MM appeared scared of scoring with too much time left, so he frittered time away, then didn't have enough time for himself on the final play.

Indeed, he did fritter some time away. But vs. Atlanta, they scored with too much time left and special teams killed them.

From a coaching standpoint it still seems like he's still feeling out his game management. An example that comes to mind is his use of challenges -- he went from being very loose with the challenge flag, like with the Jones fumble in the Bears game, to being too tight, like in the Atlanta game on the Gonzalez reception. And he has yet to find a good balance. Here, too, he found himself in a similar situation (to the Atlanta endgame) and with a backup quarterback. So he explored a different part of that decision space and it still hurt him from a game management standpoint.

[pbmax]

The 14 points handed to the Patriots by Flynn and the KO coverage team were pretty big in this game.

That plus some horrible tackling on both plays.

[pbmax]

He won't be bothering anybody for the next month.

That is not the first time he has gone right to personal insults when people don't agree with his rants.

[pbmax]

This was just one time of several, but even tonight, with Flynn, they could have used the last 4 minutes better than they did. The sad thing is that a little more efficient use to give them another 10 seconds may have allowed them to run a normal play scenario on the last play.

MM appeared scared of scoring with too much time left, so he frittered time away, then didn't have enough time for himself on the final play.

Special Teams maybe. But he punted at midfield with five minutes in the game and trusted the D to get him the ball back. I don't think the D worried him.

[Bossman641]

That is not the first time he has gone right to personal insults when people don't agree with his rants.

Did he even have a rant this time? I thought his post came completely out of left field.

[Patler]

Because of TO usage or the speed with which plays get called? He doesn't run much in the 2 minute drill and he does have the QB spike.

He does not seem to insist on sideline routes except in very specific situations. What else have you seen?

They take a long time getting plays in and are very nonchalant at times in getting lined up and the ball snapped. I'm sure he works on keeping the guys relaxed and not rushed unnecessarily to avoid mistakes, but at times there is no hurry or efficiency to them at all. It drives me crazy when it ends like tonight when they can't get the last play called or the ball snapped.

[Patler]

That plus some horrible tackling on both plays.

Ya, what was with them tonight? Defense, ST and the offense on the interception all had guys sliding off like they were tackling greased pigs. Little guys slid of little guys, bigger guys slid of little guys and all were ineffective even in tackling a guard returning a kick.

That, the dropped passes and missed interceptions all make you wonder: is it scripted ? :lol:

[mission]

Indeed, he did fritter some time away. But vs. Atlanta, they scored with too much time left and special teams killed them.

From a coaching standpoint it still seems like he's still feeling out his game management. An example that comes to mind is his use of challenges -- he went from being very loose with the challenge flag, like with the Jones fumble in the Bears game, to being too tight, like in the Atlanta game on the Gonzalez reception. And he has yet to find a good balance. Here, too, he found himself in a similar situation (to the Atlanta endgame) and with a backup quarterback. So he explored a different part of that decision space and it still hurt him from a game management standpoint.

I didn't know this was a learn-on-the-job type of thing.

[Charles Woodson]

Indeed, he did fritter some time away. But vs. Atlanta, they scored with too much time left and special teams killed them.

From a coaching standpoint it still seems like he's still feeling out his game management. An example that comes to mind is his use of challenges -- he went from being very loose with the challenge flag, like with the Jones fumble in the Bears game, to being too tight, like in the Atlanta game on the Gonzalez reception. And he has yet to find a good balance. Here, too, he found himself in a similar situation (to the Atlanta endgame) and with a backup quarterback. So he explored a different part of that decision space and it still hurt him from a game management standpoint.

Really? How do you justify this for MM who has been coaching for five years. You're saying that you can honestly say that the head coach for the past five years hasnt had enough time to figure out how to manage the game, whether it be challenges or timeouts? I feel like MM embarrassed the packers tonight with those last few minutes. Say what you will but that costs us a loss.

[Pugger]

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners. We just lost 31-27 to the New England Patriots at their place with Matt Flynn at QB. A Patriots team that has won 27 consecutive home games when Tom Brady starts. Let's beat the Giants and Bears and then kick the shit out of the Bears in the first round of the playoffs.

+ 10000000000000

[Pugger]

If this team gets to the playoffs, considering the injury situation, MM would deserve consideration for Coach Of The Year. He won't get it, but he'd deserve it. I'm not saying he's a great coach, but he deserves better than the criticism he gets here. The last time the Packers had anything close to the kind of injuries they've had this year, they went 4-12.

Here here!

[swede]

Hahahaha. Okay buddy. You keep your green and gold glasses on. 6 games lost this season by a total of 20 points! MM has a problem winning close games, plain and simple. And we are not going to kick the shit out of anyone in the playoffs, if we happen to get in. This team is beat to shit, has the special teams of a pop warner team and a coach who needs to read Time Management for Dummies. Now by no means do I think the Packers are out of it, but sticking your head in the sand and ignoring MMs fuck ups arent going to make them go away.

I'm leaning your way. It causes me great concern when some of the finest posters on this board are content to say that we tried really hard, overlooking the barrage of 4th quarter bombs in short yardage situations and the end-of game time-manglement. Enjoy your moral victory along with the drubbing by the Lions.

The game moves too fast for Stubby in pressure situations. TT is unwilling to drop Stubby, and Stubby is unwilling to take the clipboard and headset away from himself.

Stubby is the guy that will allow us to go on a long run of being a little bit better than average. Yay

[pbmax]

Swede, I am doing all I can. I sent my resume to Thompson (along with Fritz and KYPack's) offering to be Special Teams coach at the same rate of pay divided three ways. I have not heard back. This week I will forward Patler's resume to be a Sherman like game clock management consultant. :D

But I don't think satisfied is the word for what people are experiencing. This loss simply makes more sense than losing to the Lions or the Dolphins or Redskins in terms of the opponent and venue.

The troubling part is that the same execution problems haunt this team. Dropped passes, bad special teams play, inconsistent O line work and a failure or two near the end of the game. These problems continue a trend over the McCarthy years. Now injuries have really hampered special teams and have put a rookie at RT. Not much can be done about that until we fire the strength and conditioning coach so they can bring the free weights back in and usher in a new era of hamstring pulls.

There are some hopeful signs, such as penalties taking a real dip and the O line having improved over last year. But its a huge mixed bag. And its hard to check for improvement in some areas; for instance, to see if McCarthy's work to improve special teams has paid off or the results are because there are new faces every two weeks. So far, the only clear answer is that Shields must stay as KO returner.

[Freak Out]

I think most of the board would be fine with those changes pbmax.

[mmmdk]

I think most of the board would be fine with those changes pbmax.

Just fabulous, pbmax ! :lol:

[pbmax]

Fritz and KY are having a disagreement about Slocum's parking space. Both need it after the long commutes (Michigan and KY). I just want the personal PA system.