THE draft thread (2013 version)

[wist43]

Another trade, lol... from a 3rd round pick - to 13 7th round picks.

Ted is in rare form...

[Bretsky]

we already have enough fucking project players

we need starters

how far did we drop down this time?

I think 16 spots
And we MIGHT have even got value this time as opposed to getting bent over by San Francisco

[Fritz]

So, now we have two 5ths, two 6ths and two 7ths, right??

Let me make sure I understand all you whiney little bitches: you're mad because the Packers traded back and got another sixth, then took the running back rated higher than your worn-out Wisconsin boy. Then you got madder that TT traded back in the third for another seventh in what is universally acknowledged as one of the deepest drafts in many years.

Did I get that right? What the hell is the matter with all of you? Why are you all clutching at your shriveled wieners?

[pbmax]

Packer Report
Wonder if #Packers traded after seeing Stedman Bailey go at 92.

[red]

we drop all the way down to the 12th pick in the 4th

[CaliforniaCheez]

Packers send 93 to Miami to get 109 (fourth), 146 (fifth), 224 (seventh)

Yeeeeehah!!!!!

[wist43]

Packers send 93 to Miami to get 109 (fourth), 146 (fifth), 224 (seventh)

So really, he traded down from 88 to 109 - and got back a 5th and 2 7th's.

Brilliant!!!

[pbmax]

Let me make sure I understand all you whiney little bitches: you're mad because the Packers traded back and got another sixth, then took the running back rated higher than your worn-out Wisconsin boy. Then you got madder that TT traded back in the third for another seventh in what is universally acknowledged as one of the deepest drafts in many years.

Did I get that right? What the hell is the matter with all of you? Why are you all clutching at your shriveled wieners?

Its the pressure we all feel during the draft. :D

[Iron Mike]

That's right, plus the 3rd coming up now and a 4th

OK, so now we're at 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 2 6ths and 2 7ths. TT can make hay tomorrow...

[gbpackfan]

They only got the 109! The Dolphins had both the 104 and the 106!!!!

Miami wanted some of that sweet Ted ass that the Niners were fucking!

[woodbuck27]

Wait, what round is kryptonite for Ted. Four or Five?

He's determined ..... to find another Donald Driver.

Tomorrow............ Ted was pissing his pants and needed to go home.

[wist43]

we drop all the way down to the 12th pick in the 4th

for a 5th and 2 7ths!!!

YAY!!!!

[CaliforniaCheez]

This is the opposite of squandering picks like the stupid purple viklings.

[red]

we get the 13th in the 5th
and the 18th in the 7th

[woodbuck27]

They only got the 109! The Dolphins had both the 104 and the 106!!!!

Miami wanted some of that sweet Ted ass that the Niners were fucking!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

[OS PA]

Well we now have 109, 122, 146, 158, 167, 173, 193, 216, 224, and 232.

[Rastak]

He's looking at a massive bottom roster turnover I guess.

[pbmax]

#Packers will have two fourths, three fifths, two sixths and three sevenths. That's 10 picks tomorrow.

[Bretsky]

Packers send 93 to Miami to get 109 (fourth), 146 (fifth), 224 (seventh)


OK......all hail Ted
This is a nice value he got for moving down

TIME TO GET A SCOUTING REPORT READY FOR SATURDAY ? We have a lot of picks that day !

I think Ted realizes this.....we have a LOT of holes to fill....we are farther away from elite than we were last year..when he kept trading up

[wist43]

This officially TT's worst draft - tomorrow he'll draft 8 super soft offensive linemen that have a lot of "versitility"... they just need to get stronger ;)

[gbpackfan]

Wist, you forgot to mention pad level.

[woodbuck27]

we get the 13th in the 5th
and the 18th in the 7th

WOW ..... Ted Math:

13 x 5 = 65 and 18 x 7 = 126

191...cool Ted !

[pbmax]

OK, who is he turning over with this haul of 12 picks?

D Line could use multiple bodies, especially ones you could stash for a year on the PS. WR needs some medium sized speed. OLine but any tackle left will be a project like Newhouse best case. Will he dig for ILB and Safety?

[Brandon494]

10 picks tomorrow, you know Ted will draft at least 2 steals out of those picks. :cow:

[pittstang5]

Packers send 93 to Miami to get 109 (fourth), 146 (fifth), 224 (seventh)

THat's BS, Why couldn't we get 104 or 106.

[MJZiggy]

Not as good as I want but what can you do....hope all is well.
It is. Just sold the house yadda yadda. This is my favorite way to watch the draft. Don't have to bother streaming it. I just read...

[red]

so we have

2 picks in the 4th (12, 25)
3 5ths (13,26,34)
2 6ths (5,25)
3 7ths (10,18,26)

[Brandon494]

This officially TT's worst draft - tomorrow he'll draft 8 super soft offensive linemen that have a lot of "versitility"... they just need to get stronger ;)

Remember that year we won the Super Bowl and Wist was no where to be found.

[CaliforniaCheez]

12 picks so far, maybe more!! If half of them make it this will be a great draft.

[Rastak]

#Packers will have two fourths, three fifths, two sixths and three sevenths. That's 10 picks tomorrow.


Traditionally hit or miss area of the draft....throw enough darts you get to hit a few way of thinking?

[Badgerinmaine]

So, the Packers now have two 4s, three 5s, two 6s and three 7s. I have faith in Ted but I have this feeling he will trade down again and again until he has all 32 7th round picks. :grin:

[Fritz]

And now you're panicked because the best talent scout in the business is stocking up on late-round picks in a deep draft. You people. Honest to god. You researched your top one hundred and now you think you know more than a whole team of people who make a living scouting players, who have put together a Super Bowl winner and an annual playoff team.

I trust the Green Bay organization and TT way more than your bitter drunk asses.

[woodbuck27]

This officially TT's worst draft - tomorrow he'll draft 8 super soft offensive linemen that have a lot of "versitility"... they just need to get stronger ;)

No.

Ted's still trying to save money. Aaron really stung him.

[Rastak]

It is. Just sold the house yadda yadda. This is my favorite way to watch the draft. Don't have to bother streaming it. I just read...

Glad it's going well Zig.

[wist43]

#Packers will have two fourths, three fifths, two sixths and three sevenths. That's 10 picks tomorrow.

Yes, that's what we need to compete with San Francisco...

Who did they draft by the way??

Oh, yeah

1) Eric Reid
2) Tank Carradine
3) Vance McDonald
4) Corey Lemonier

[Rastak]

And now you're panicked because the best talent scout in the business is stocking up on late-round picks in a deep draft. You people. Honest to god. You researched your top one hundred and now you think you know more than a whole team of people who make a living scouting players, who have put together a Super Bowl winner and an annual playoff team.

I trust the Green Bay organization and TT way more than your bitter drunk asses.


Hey hey hey, I resemble that remark.

[Bretsky]

Let me make sure I understand all you whiney little bitches: you're mad because the Packers traded back and got another sixth, then took the running back rated higher than your worn-out Wisconsin boy. Then you got madder that TT traded back in the third for another seventh in what is universally acknowledged as one of the deepest drafts in many years.

Did I get that right? What the hell is the matter with all of you? Why are you all clutching at your shriveled wieners?


Rated Higher by who ? The Homers ? We don't know if Ted rated him higher; if you listened to the NFL Network they speculated we traded down with the eye on Monte Hall but Denver get him. But we don't know either way. Everybody notes how Lacy was the top rates RB in the draft. He was the 4th running back selected. I'm fine with the pick.....but if you were watching TT took a 6th while the team one pick behind TT made nearly the identical trade for an extra 5th and 6th. I find it hard to rip anybody for noting that fact.

[wist43]

Brandon Williams went to a team that actually believes in playing defense - Baltimare

Funny how that works - TT will counter with his bevy of man-boobed softies.

[red]

i think we're taking 6 o-lineman and 4 d-lineman tomorrow

if we don't trade down for more picks

we'll fix our problems one way or another

[falco]

Remember that year we won the Super Bowl and Wist was no where to be found.


Surely it was just a coincidence...

[Carolina_Packer]

This just in...Ted has traded back all of his existing picks and now owns the 7th round, except compensatory.

[MJZiggy]

Let me make sure I understand all you whiney little bitches: you're mad because the Packers traded back and got another sixth, then took the running back rated higher than your worn-out Wisconsin boy. Then you got madder that TT traded back in the third for another seventh in what is universally acknowledged as one of the deepest drafts in many years.

Did I get that right? What the hell is the matter with all of you? Why are you all clutching at your shriveled wieners? I can't clutch my own, I suppose I'd have to borrow one...

[Bretsky]

Brandon Williams went to a team that actually believes in playing defense - Baltimare

Funny how that works - TT will counter with his bevy of man-boobed softies.


Shit.............was hoping he'd slip to GB......Ozzie is putting a dam nice draft together

[woodbuck27]

So, the Packers now have two 4s, three 5s, two 6s and three 7s. I have faith in Ted but I have this feeling he will trade down again and again until he has all 32 7th round picks. :grin:

Our Scouting Dept. has the real in.

TT realizes that he'll have 10picks at least to select from approx. 2200 prospects. Ted's smart. The talent in this draft must be hidden from the crazed media.

There are lots of Latavius Murray's out here.

Stay tuned as Ted Thompson instructs in how to draft in a bad draft class.

It begins...ends with >>>cool.

Ted's cool.

[wist43]

He's looking at a massive bottom roster turnover I guess.

Just like every year... it's what TT does.

[Badgerinmaine]

This just in...Ted has traded back all of his existing picks and now owns the 7th round, except compensatory.
Hey, now, I already made that joke :mrgreen:

[woodbuck27]

This just in...Ted has traded back all of his existing picks and now owns the 7th round, except compensatory.

Ted's 'the Dominator'.

[pbmax]

Traditionally hit or miss area of the draft....throw enough darts you get to hit a few way of thinking?

With 3 seventh round picks, its like starting UDFA early.

[Bretsky]

Brian Schwenke and Barrett Jones would still look really nice anchoring the OL
Still lots of talent left; we have two potentially elite players and now huge quantities to fill some gapping needs and provide depth to replace some of the JAG's we had to watch last year

[Rastak]

With 3 seventh round picks, its like starting UDFA early.

It is...although how many of those guys make an impact? It happens of course, but not too often. I'm not knocking his philosophy, it got him a super bowl. Just commenting as a fan.

[pbmax]

Here is the thread someone should start: What expensive veterans will have direct competition for their jobs with 12 picks coming in?

[wist43]

Surely it was just a coincidence...

Given that I was quite ill... and ended up in the hospital the day after the SB; other than the pain, the IV's, and the surgery, all I could think about was coming to PR to complain. :glug:

[wist43]

Shit.............was hoping he'd slip to GB......Ozzie is putting a dam nice draft together

TT could have had him at 88 - he spit on the idea, and said give me 6 more Ricky Elmores!!!!

[Carolina_Packer]

Hey, now, I already made that joke :mrgreen:

Jinx, I owe you a coke!

[Rastak]

Night guys and gal.

[Fosco33]

Wow. GBPG... this was written on April 24th.

"So when pick No. 26 rolls around, if Thompson stays put, two prospects with late first-round grades who mesh with the Packers’ greatest needs could still be on the board: Alabama running back Eddie Lacy and UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones"

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130424/PKR01/130424064/Mock-draft-Lacy-would-bring-balance-Packers-pass-happy-offense

[Packgator]

Wow. GBPG... this was written on April 24th.

"So when pick No. 26 rolls around, if Thompson stays put, two prospects with late first-round grades who mesh with the Packers’ greatest needs could still be on the board: Alabama running back Eddie Lacy and UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones"

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130424/PKR01/130424064/Mock-draft-Lacy-would-bring-balance-Packers-pass-happy-offense

And ended up with both. Small but nice draft so far.

[Joemailman]

Remember that year we won the Super Bowl and Wist was no where to be found.

Yep. And that team wouldn't have been in the playoffs if TT hadn't developed a deep roster that enabled them to overcome a rash of injuries. Desmond Bishop and James Starks were acquired with a couple of those worthless 6th round picks TT likes to acquire for some reason.

[wist43]

Here is the thread someone should start: What expensive veterans will have direct competition for their jobs with 12 picks coming in?

Do you really think 12 7th round draft choices can elevate the Packers past the Niners, Seahawks, Giants, Redskins, Falcons, and now probably the Vikings??

The 49er's really had a great offseason - they are better now than they were 2 months ago. We are worse.

Sorry max, there's no way you can make the math work. We're now officially a 2nd tier team, and given the poor condition of our roster, with only more slugs to come... we're likely stuck on this 2nd level for a while.

There's just no denying what happened 7 months ago in GB, 3 months ago in SF, and what happened today.

We don't need a bunch of lower round slugs - we need difference makers, and we just don't have them.

[Bretsky]

I'm not going to make any comparisons until I see who we pick up tomorow. There are still a lot of good players left in rounds 4 and 5.
I wonder who TT had his eye on with the last pick. Odds are it would not have been the dude I wanted....so at least he got three picks and good value on paper for the final pick.

[woodbuck27]

Wow. GBPG... this was written on April 24th.

"So when pick No. 26 rolls around, if Thompson stays put, two prospects with late first-round grades who mesh with the Packers’ greatest needs could still be on the board: Alabama running back Eddie Lacy and UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones"

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130424/PKR01/130424064/Mock-draft-Lacy-would-bring-balance-Packers-pass-happy-offense


From that standpoint... Ted Thompson is:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6Nw0WjPV5CivOgfrXDeFXrYMzHGHIl pZuI5akAmV2ub6e7pYNfFdEXnX9

GO TED GO !

[woodbuck27]

Do you really think 12 7th round draft choices can elevate the Packers past the Niners, Seahawks, Giants, Redskins, Falcons, and now probably the Vikings??

The 49er's really had a great offseason - they are better now than they were 2 months ago. We are worse.

Sorry max, there's no way you can make the math work. We're now officially a 2nd tier team, and given the poor condition of our roster, with only more slugs to come... we're likely stuck on this 2nd level for a while.

There's just no denying what happened 7 months ago in GB, 3 months ago in SF, and what happened today.

We don't need a bunch of lower round slugs - we need difference makers, and we just don't have them.

No doubt about it. The San Fran 49ers are killing it this off season. So did the Seattle Seahawks and now yes...The Minnesota Vikings are looking much better. Their GM is the real deal.

I'd be calle a silly homer if I didn't demonstrate serious concern. It'll all play out this season.We'll all see the TRUTH then.

It could be alot worse. We could resemble the NY Jets.

GO PACK GO !

[Zool]

Fuck do I love reading the rantings of arm chair GM's. I'm pretty sure we should have 4-5 people working in NFL front offices within the month.

[wist43]

I really can't fathom what you guys are looking at - this is a fundamentally flawed team. The Jones pick helps a little, but surely not enough... my God, SF simply ass-raped us twice in the last 7 months, and they've improved themselves - I can't begin to imagine how severe a beating they're going to lay on us opening day. It's gonna be embarrassing, just like the stomping 3 months ago was embarrassing.

I guess Ted watched that game and concluded he had lyin' eyes.

[Carolina_Packer]

Do you really think 12 7th round draft choices can elevate the Packers past the Niners, Seahawks, Giants, Redskins, Falcons, and now probably the Vikings??

The 49er's really had a great offseason - they are better now than they were 2 months ago. We are worse.

Sorry max, there's no way you can make the math work. We're now officially a 2nd tier team, and given the poor condition of our roster, with only more slugs to come... we're likely stuck on this 2nd level for a while.

There's just no denying what happened 7 months ago in GB, 3 months ago in SF, and what happened today.

We don't need a bunch of lower round slugs - we need difference makers, and we just don't have them.

Wist, I hope you are wrong in your opinion. Not much choice, really. TT is doing the picking. Cheer up and read this photo article (http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/09000d5d8286886b#photo=16). It's all a crap shoot when certain guys like the ones in the article slide down because they are not as well known or heralded, but they are well known now. Just because you are drafted high and people think your talent is all that, doesn't mean you will make it. Can't miss, misses sometimes! Do these guys love football, will they do all the little things, and will they be lucky and have good health? We'll see.

Here's to a successful rest of the draft. Go Pack Go!

[George Cumby]

I can't clutch my own, I suppose I'd have to borrow one...

Ooh! Ooh! ooh! Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!

[RashanGary]

Worked all day. Yuck. You guys, that was a really entertaining day in the draft thread. I've been laughing my ass off for the last 15 minutes reading the reactions to the trade downs. LMFAO!!!!


Now we get to find out if the RB makes the line or if the line makes the RB. I'm with Larry McCarren on this one. I think the RB makes the line more than the line makes the RB.

[RashanGary]

For the record, in case nobody noticed, the RB I liked in this draft was Giovanni Bernard, and he was the first taken. Guy is very similar to Montee Ball, but a good deal faster.

[Guiness]

Just remember, if you were slagging Geno Smith for thinking he would leave New York lat night, Eddie Lacy did leave last night.

Didn't know that, was wondering what happened with him, nothing was mentioned.

RBs not a QB though. They generally aren't and are not expected to be team leaders. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't RBs have the lowest average Wonderlific?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's ok that he left, or that I wouldn't prefer he showed some heart and stayed, I'm just saying it's not near as important.

[woodbuck27]

Ted thompson is said to be targeting 'this guy':

Trust it !!

This is our man on Saturday.

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/0Yjeg8qutoPluEtAiqek0w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaafexperts/Kenny-Stills-Dress.png

Kenny Stills, Oklahoma WR

GO Ted GO !

[denverYooper]

Shit.............was hoping he'd slip to GB......Ozzie is putting a dam nice draft together

He's got to. They've got some rebuilding to do.

[RashanGary]

What are you guys bitching about?

We have 7 of the first 100 picks on day 3 of the NFL draft :) :) :)

[woodbuck27]

'
Here is the thread someone should start: What expensive veterans will have direct competition for their jobs with 12 picks coming in?

From the once popular game show 'What's My Line':

Hi... I'm a Green Bay Packer seventh round pick.

Hi.....I'm..... a Green Bay Packer..... seventh round....pick.

Hello.....I am...a... Green Bay ....Packer...seventh Round pick.

[RashanGary]

On average, from here until the draft is finished, we get to pick one in every 15 picks :) :)

10 is better than 5. Common sense, dummies :) :)

[Bretsky]

What are you guys bitching about?

We have 7 of the first 100 picks on day 3 of the NFL draft :) :) :)

Man the cup really dried up the last picks after GB traded that buzzer away. There will still be some good players.....but we could have really got a DL talent with that three pick and it's pretty likley the Alabama DL will get scooped up be4 GB picks.

I am really happy we got Jones round one because there were not many pass rushing DE's around by the time we were picking

[denverYooper]

When the hell did this place turn into Gamma Phi Beta?

[rbaloha1]

Package picks to get jesse williams.

[RashanGary]

It's almost like Ted is trying to prove something here. . . .

Yeah, we lost our two top personnel guys in the last year and three in the last 2 years. But guess what, we're going to trade back and not only are we going to trade back, but we're going to get fleeced. Then we're going to rely on our rookie scouts to pick 10 players in the back end of this draft and show all of you how smart we are.

Seriously, if ever there was a time I thought maybe Ted would be less cowboy in a draft, this was the time. Weird. I guess we'll find out.

[rbaloha1]

It's almost like Ted is trying to prove something here. . . .

Yeah, we lost our two top personnel guys in the last year and three in the last 2 years. But guess what, we're going to trade back and not only are we going to trade back, but we're going to get fleeced. Then we're going to rely on our rookie scouts to pick 10 players in the back end of this draft and show all of you how smart we are.

Seriously, if ever there was a time I thought maybe Ted would be less cowboy in a draft, this was the time. Weird. I guess we'll find out.

My guess for trading down is the guys they wanted got picked.

Hopefully TT is targeting some big d-linemen.

[RashanGary]

Maybe he's recognizing that we just signed two of the biggest contracts in NFL history and we're not going to be able to keep the band together so he's planning ahead. Who the hell knows what was going through his mind. Just seems weird to draft 10 players on day 3.

[rbaloha1]

Maybe he's recognizing that we just signed two of the biggest contracts in NFL history and we're not going to be able to keep the band together so he's planning ahead. Who the hell knows what was going through his mind. Just seems weird to draft 10 players on day 3.

Doubt he keeps them all -- it is just ammo to move up for certain players.

Needs to maintain some cap room for guys like Sam Shields, Morgan Burnett, etc.

[Brandon494]

For the record, in case nobody noticed, the RB I liked in this draft was Giovanni Bernard, and he was the first taken. Guy is very similar to Montee Ball, but a good deal faster.

I remember you liking Alex Green too. :-)

[RashanGary]

I remember you liking Alex Green too. :-)

Fuck you!!

Bastard.

[gbgary]

I really can't fathom what you guys are looking at - this is a fundamentally flawed team. The Jones pick helps a little, but surely not enough... my God, SF simply ass-raped us twice in the last 7 months, and they've improved themselves - I can't begin to imagine how severe a beating they're going to lay on us opening day. It's gonna be embarrassing, just like the stomping 3 months ago was embarrassing.

I guess Ted watched that game and concluded he had lyin' eyes.

I'm a glass is half full type (until the dibble glass I'm holding soaks my shirt) but I pretty much agree. quality over quantity.

[wist43]

Let's take a look at all of TT's round 4-7 picks and see what we get


4's

Daniels, DT
McMillian, S
House, CB
Lang, G
Jeremy Thompson, DE
Josh Sitton, G
Allen Barbre, OL
Corey Rodgers, WR
Will Blackmon, DB
Marviel Underwood, DB
Poppinga, LB

5's

Terrell Manning, LB
DJ Williams, TE
Quarless, TE
Newhouse, OT
Quinn Johnson, FB
Jermon Meradith, OL
Giacomini, OT
David Clowney, WR
Ingle Martin, QB
Tony Moll, OL
Junius Coston, OL
Michael Hawkins, DB

6's

Caleb Schlauderaff, OL
DJ Smith, LB
Ricky Elmore, LB
Starks, RB
Wynn, DE
Brandon Underwood, DB
Korey Hall, FB
Bishop, LB
Crosby, K
Jolly, DL
Mike Montegomery, DL
Craig Bragg, WR

7's

Andrew Datko, OT
BJ Coleman, QB
Ryan Taylor, TE/LB
Lawrence Guy, DL
CJ Wilson, DE
Brad Jones, LB
Matt Flynn, QB
Brett Swain, WR
Deshawn Wynn, RB
Clark Harris, TE
Dave Tollefson, DE
Kurt Campbell, DB
Will Whitticker, OL

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So we throw those 48 spitballs at the wall - and how much sticks??

Josh Sitton - Best player of the 48

TJ Lang - Servicable, average starter

Desmond Bishop - Serviceable, average starter

CJ Wilson - Very low end starter. Needs to be replaced

Marshall Newhouse - Very low end starter. Needs to be replaced

Brad Jones - Situational guy who is very limited. Needs to be replaced

----------------------------------------------------------------

That's all you can count for the past 8 years. The young guys from the past couple of drafts I give a pass to, b/c we really don't know what we have with them yet. There's some potential there, but that's all it is.

As for what we can put on the field now - there's 6 guys. 3 decent players (Sitton, Lang, Bishop), and 3 that need to be replaced.

So, of the 48 players TT has drafted in the 4th round and lower, we will subtract 3 players (Daniels, McMillian, and House), b/c they have shown some potential, but haven't done anything yet - so, knock the number down to 45.

So, out of 45 players TT has drafted in the 4th round and lower - 3 of those players are legitimate NFL players. 1 good-to-very good (Sitton); and 2 average starters (Bishop and Lang).

That's a batting average of 1 for 15 - or, a 6.67% hit rate.

With 10 picks tomorrow the statistics say that TT has a 4.49% chance of hitting on 1 player could eventally be a starter in the league - of whatever value.

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If anyone here is an actuary and would like to refine my crude numerical sense of things - please, be my guest.

[wist43]

On average, from here until the draft is finished, we get to pick one in every 15 picks :) :)

10 is better than 5. Common sense, dummies :) :)

Funny, I just calculated TT's success rate in the 4th round and later... and guess what ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it comes out to 1 out of every 15 picks.

Coincidence? or Karma??

[RashanGary]

Uh, yeah, that fuckin sucks. . . .

On a side note, CBS sports had their big board. 97 players were drafted in the last two days. 85 of the those players were listed on CBS sports top 97. That's pretty good. Only 12 players picked that weren't in their top 97. I don't know how reliable everyone else is, but that's pretty friggin reliable right there.

[Bretsky]

Can you post the link ??

[RashanGary]

This does beg the question, do we over inflate TT's ability to pick later in the draft? More importantly, does he over-inflate his ability to draft late in the draft. Finally, this fucking sucks. I wish we had more high picks.

[King Friday]

I agree 100% with you on this one Wist.

Regardless of how good the GM is...the statistical likelihood of landing a starting caliber player after the 3rd round is small. After the 5th round, it becomes virtually nil.

Ted gave up premium draft position today for what amounts to target fodder. I like Jones and Lacy...but we need a hell of a lot more than that when you consider we sit on our thumb in free agency.

[Brandon494]

Umm Jolly was a stud, Flynn was a steal, Crosby has been a solid kicker for the most part, Starks was a big part of a SB run giving the running game a boost, and half of those guys its way too early to put a grade on them.

[RashanGary]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker

Counted wrong, B. I'ts 83 of 97. I just counted 14 players still on their board that were in the top 97. Since 14 were wrong, 83 had to be right.

85% of their top 97 actually went in the top 97. Where I went to school, that's worthy of a B grade.

[RashanGary]

I'm kinda with Brandon here, Wist. I'd just take out the last two drafts all together, then add Jolly and Flynn to your list of decent players.

[RashanGary]

You just can't judge a draft until 3 years later. Take out the last two drafts, and you have 37 players. Add Jolly and Flynn to the list of quality roster spots and you have 8. That's a 22% hit rate.

[Bretsky]

I'm kinda with Brandon here, Wist. I'd just take out the last two drafts all together, then add Jolly and Flynn to your list of decent players.


Man, let's say you take out the last two years of drafts

That cup is pretty dam bare

[Bretsky]

Sitton Lang Bishop....I do consider those 3 legit starters
Crosby....ya...give credit....but one team every year drafts the best kicker in college GB and he almost always makes the team

[Bretsky]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker

Counted wrong, B. I'ts 83 of 97. I just counted 14 players still on their board that were in the top 97. Since 14 were wrong, 83 had to be right.

85% of their top 97 actually went in the top 97. Where I went to school, that's worthy of a B grade.

That is impressive

[RashanGary]

Man, let's say you take out the last two years of drafts

That cup is pretty dam bare


Let's not judge the last two years yet is what I"m saying, so take those out of this analysis. Look at 37 players, not 55 or whatever it was he was looking at. It's too early for a bunch of them. He sort of sliced and diced those numbers to look as bad as possible by leaving in 1st and 2nd year guys taken at developmental points in the draft. Then he subtracted the three that might turn out from the total number and left the ones he's certain won't turn out in the number. . . I don't think the way he went about using his numbers matched up with common football knowledge (AKA, you can't judge a draft for 3 years)

If you buy into the, "you can't judge a draft for 3 years" saying, and you like the Jolly and Flynn picks, 22% is the hit rate. Wist has it at 5%.

[Bretsky]

I guess when I looked through, I considered the legit starters, if you take those years out, to be Sitton, Lang, and Bishop. If you can't judge the others yet, then you have to remove the marshmellow and I think Wilson as well.

To be honest when Wist provided that list it was shocking to me what a bigger percentage did not turn out better. I would have guessed it was much better than it is after looking at the list on the pc.

[wist43]

I'm kinda with Brandon here, Wist. I'd just take out the last two drafts all together, then add Jolly and Flynn to your list of decent players.

Nobody liked Jolly more than me - but, the fact remains he headcased himself out of the league. I do hope he makes it back and contributes, but we can't count on that - even if the report that he was overweight and out of shape was bogus, he still has a steep hill to climb.

You can count Flynn as a quality backup - he's started 2 games in his career. For all we know he'll flame out. He's being given a shot. As for Starks, he's been a flash in the pan that did just like every other Packer did during our SB run - played out of his ass for 5-6 games, returned to earth, and promptly disappeared. He doesn't appear to have what it takes to be a consistent pro. I don't count Starks.

There's way too many of those spitballs not sticking to the wall. The numbers don't support what TT is doing. He already has an entire roster of low round draft choices and street FA's. All he's doing is constantly churning the bottom of the roster hoping he finds something. He doesn't need low round draft choices to do that, he can do that in FA - he's been doing that in FA.

What he needs to do is give us some front line talent that can fire live bullets back at the Niners and the other bullies on the block, and he's not doing that. Jones will help, as I expect he'll be on the field; Lacy is going from running behind the best OL in college football, and actually better than the Packers line, to the Green Bay Packers who routinely get pushed all over the field and can't get out of their own way in the running game... those wide open spaces Lacy was running thru behind Bama's dominating OL aint gonna be there in GB.

[wist43]

Let's not judge the last two years yet is what I"m saying, so take those out of this analysis. Look at 37 players, not 55 or whatever it was he was looking at. It's too early for a bunch of them. He sort of sliced and diced those numbers to look as bad as possible by leaving in 1st and 2nd year guys taken at developmental points in the draft. Then he subtracted the three that might turn out from the total number and left the ones he's certain won't turn out in the number. . . I don't think the way he went about using his numbers matched up with common football knowledge (AKA, you can't judge a draft for 3 years)

If you buy into the, "you can't judge a draft for 3 years" saying, and you like the Jolly and Flynn picks, 22% is the hit rate. Wist has it at 5%.

How are you taking 18 players off the top??

There are only 12 players from those drafts on the list - remember, this is 4th round and later.

Of those 12 players, I took off 3 (Daniels, McMillian, and House b/c they are in the mix to contribute, but as yet had done nothing) - most of the rest of them have already been cut.

A couple are still on the team, but they're camp fodder, same as the new crop of low end picks and street FA's. Whoever performs the best, offers the most on special teams, whatever they might could offer... gets the job; but that's a far cry from ripping Colin Kapnerfuckers head off, and spiking it in the end zone - now isn't it??

[HarveyWallbangers]

Of those 12 players, I took off 3 (Daniels, McMillian, and House b/c they are in the mix to contribute, but as yet had done nothing) - most of the rest of them have already been cut.

I haven't been following closely, but let me see if I have this correctly: you aren't counting the three guys that have or have a chance at contributing, but counted the rest of the players from those drafts that haven't?

[wist43]

I haven't been following closely, but let me see if I have this correctly: you aren't counting the three guys that have or have a chance at contributing, but counted the rest of the players from those drafts that haven't?

Yes, and here's why - you can't say that those potential players are hits, or misses. You don't know what they are. They could be hits which would help TT's average, or they could be misses which would lower it - we simply don't know. Since we don't know, they are excluded.

Those who are counted, are ones where we know what their disposition is, i.e. many of them have already been cut; or were cut and signed to the practice squad, which relagates them to FA status b/c they have to clear waivers. As I said, there were a couple of players I counted that were still on the roster, but hadn't contributed much, and don't look to have much upside (Manning and Williams).

I think I gave a fair treatment to the list. As Bretsky said, it really does jump out at you the number of misses.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, that's a pretty bogus skewing of the stats. I think it's best if you just decided to do the analysis without the last couple of years. Thompson has hit more than most late in the draft. That one is pretty clear to most--no matter what your stats say. Because it's such a crapshoot late, I think it's best to give yourself a lot of bullets. Hitting on 3 out of 10 late picks is better than hitting on 1 of 4 late picks. Anyways. It's all a bunch of nonsense if you don't know what Thompson's draft board looks like. He might have had Lacy and Ball rated evenly, figured one would drop to him (which Lacy did), picked up extra draft picks, and still gotten one of the guys he wanted. I'm sure there's been times where it hasn't worked out, but I'm guessing since he's done it so often, he's probably had what he feels is pretty good success with it. We can all bitch and moan that he might have missed out on the likes of Jesse Williams, but we have no idea if the Packers scouts really even like the player that much. Who's to say he would have even drafted him? I'm pretty sure if he really liked the player, he would have just drafted him. He has shown that he will go up and get players he really likes, he'll sit and draft a player he likes, and he'll trade down if there's a group of player he likes. It really isn't that hard to comprehend. No offense, wist. I like you and you bring spice to the board, but the constant negativity is depressing.

This is a draft where the "experts" said didn't have a lot of elite players at the top but had good depth. Thompson turned 8 picks into 12 picks in a deep draft at the expense of moving down a total of 20 spots. So, at the expense of trading down a little over a half round mostly late in the third round, he picked up two 5ths, a 6th, and a 7th round pick. That doesn't sound like a terrible deal to me. Now, whether it was a good move depends on who they would have drafted (which we'll never know) and on who they pick. He needs to hit on his first two picks and on 2-3 of these late round picks.

[Pugger]

No doubt about it. The San Fran 49ers are killing it this off season. So did the Seattle Seahawks and now yes...The Minnesota Vikings are looking much better. Their GM is the real deal.

I'd be calle a silly homer if I didn't demonstrate serious concern. It'll all play out this season.We'll all see the TRUTH then.

It could be alot worse. We could resemble the NY Jets.

GO PACK GO !

If I didn't know this was a Packer board I would have thought this was a Jets' forum.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Here's a fun exercise. Here are the picks I liked the most and liked the least from Thompson's draft:

2005
Loved - Nick Collins (I knew nothing about him, but fell in love with the pick when Rick Gosselin had high praise for him)
Hater - Aaron Rodgers (ugh, where would we be if I was the GM)

2006
Loved - A.J. Hawk
Disliked - Corey Rodgers

2007
Loved - Aaron Rouse
Disliked - James Jones

2008
Loved - Jordy Nelson
Disliked - Breno Giacomini

2009
Loved - Clay Matthews
Disliked - Quinn Johnson

2010
Loved - Bryan Bulaga
Disliked - I didn't hate anybody from this draft

2011
Loved - Alex Green
Disliked - Caleb Schlauderaff

2012
Loved - Nick Perry & Jerel Worthy
Disliked - Mike Daniels

I suck.

[wist43]

Here's a fun exercise. Here are the picks I liked the most and liked the least from Thompson's draft:

2005
Loved - Nick Collins (I knew nothing about him, but fell in love with the pick when Rick Gosselin had high praise for him)
Hater - Aaron Rodgers (ugh, where would we be if I was the GM)

2006
Loved - A.J. Hawk
Disliked - Corey Rodgers

2007
Loved - Aaron Rouse
Disliked - James Jones

2008
Loved - Jordy Nelson
Disliked - Breno Giacomini

2009
Loved - Clay Matthews
Disliked - Quinn Johnson

2010
Loved - Bryan Bulaga
Disliked - I didn't hate anybody from this draft

2011
Loved - Alex Green
Disliked - Caleb Schlauderaff

2012
Loved - Nick Perry & Jerel Worthy
Disliked - Mike Daniels

I suck.

Sir, I concur :alc:

[sharpe1027]

So TT traded down a few spots. The relevant analysis, to me, is what is the hit rate for the spot he gave up vs the spots he picked up. I don't think the hit rate changes much after late 3rd round.

realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?38395-NFL-Draft-Success-by-Round


I note that there seems to be good value in the 4th round. There is not a significant dropoff between the 3rd and the 4th in terms of success rate for starters in general.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The only 1st round RB that Thompson has taken was Shaun Alexander in Seattle. Lacy and Alexander are actually quite similar. Both are 5'11" 225-230 with surprising quickness and moves for a big back. Alexander's 40 times was 4.58. Lacy's 40 time was 4.59. Alexander's career was relatively short, but I'll take a similar run out of Lacy.

[wist43]

Well, that's a pretty bogus skewing of the stats. I think it's best if you just decided to do the analysis without the last couple of years. Thompson has hit more than most late in the draft. That one is pretty clear to most--no matter what your stats say.

No it's not - it's the logical, scientific approach to analyzing the evidence. We weigh all of the known data, and necessarily have to exclude all unknown variables - unless you want to do like the global warming alarmists and just make shit up?? The players who are excluded from consideration are excluded b/c we don't know what they are. It's not that complicated.

Maybe it is, in fact, TT's picks you can't come to square with?? hmmmm??? :twisted:

As you look at the list, do you find yourself absorbed, wondering where did it all go wrong?? Then abruptly snap out of it and yell, NYET!!! NYET!!!

More grog!!!

[smuggler]

As to the first trade down with the 49ers: The fact that we got anything as a bonus and still got to take our guy, Lacy, was great.

As an added benefit, we were able to fuck Seattle. Even if it meant assisting the 49ers, I'm okay with it.

As to the second trade down with the 49ers: I have no fucking clue.

As to the trade down with the Dolphins: We won that one, and I think it puts us even.

[sharpe1027]

No it's not - it's the logical, scientific approach to analyzing the evidence. We weigh all of the known data, and necessarily have to exclude all unknown variables - unless you want to do like the global warming alarmists and just make shit up?? The players who are excluded from consideration are excluded b/c we don't know what they are. It's not that complicated.

Maybe it is, in fact, TT's picks you can't come to square with?? hmmmm??? :twisted:

As you look at the list, do you find yourself absorbed, wondering where did it all go wrong?? Then abruptly snap out of it and yell, NYET!!! NYET!!!

More grog!!!

You can't select your sample based upon the end result without skewing the data. Either include the entire draft year or exclude it. Anything else is cooking the books.

[wist43]

You can't select your sample based upon the end result without skewing the data. Either include the entire draft year or exclude it. Anything else is cooking the books.

Good grief, lol...

You're taking all the data that is known to you - read it s-l-o-w-l-y... ALL KNOWN DA-TA - say it together now... we can get a rhythm going ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!! YAY!!!!

STOMP YOUR FEET AND BANG THE TABLES!!! ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!!!

As Miss Mona Lisa Vito said, "Now I axe ya..." how can you include samples if you don't know what they are?? They are excluded from the data set, and don't influence the result one way or the other - get it??

[sharpe1027]

Good grief, lol...

You're taking all the data that is known to you - read it s-l-o-w-l-y... ALL KNOWN DA-TA - say it together now... we can get a rhythm going ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!! YAY!!!!

STOMP YOUR FEET AND BANG THE TABLES!!! ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!!!

As Miss Mona Lisa Vito said, "Now I axe ya..." how can you include samples if you don't know what they are?? They are excluded from the data set, and don't influence the result one way or the other - get it??

The players you excluded have a higher chance if becoming solid starters than your final hit rate. By excluding them you artificially lowered the hit rate.

[wist43]

The players you excluded have a higher chance if becoming solid starters than your final hit rate. By excluding them you artificially lowered the hit rate.

Oh, I see... you want to 'smooth' the data do you??

Do you have a computer program for that?? How would you define the parameters and variables?? Would you say Daniels should be weighted as 17% of a whole, and House 9%, and McMillian what?? 14% for the purposes of weighing their contributions?? Because that's about what we've seen - and I think that is being generous. So, we'll say we have 17+9 (carry the 2) + 14 = 40% of a player??

So, we now have a 3.4 success rate divided by 3 more units added to the data set of 45, so that is now 48, which doing it your way gives us a batting avg of = 7.08%

Congratulations, I will agree to bump TT's average up by 0.41%

[sharpe1027]

Oh, I see... you want to 'smooth' the data do you??

Do you have a computer program for that?? How would you define the parameters and variables?? Would you say Daniels should be weighted as 17% of a whole, and House 9%, and McMillian what?? 14% for the purposes of weighing their contributions?? Because that's about what we've seen - and I think that is being generous. So, we'll say we have 17+9 (carry the 2) + 14 = 40% of a player??

So, we now have a 3.4 success rate divided by 3 more units added to the data set of 45, so that is now 48, which doing it your way gives us a batting avg of = 7.08%

Congratulations, I will agree to bump TT's average up by 0.41%

No computer program necessary. All you need to do is fairly select the data points independently from your results, e.g., just include the entire draft or none at all.

I do not understand your percentage "of a whole." You did not apply weights to any of the other players based upon their relative contribution, they were either a 1 or a zero. Anyway, your statistics don't prove that the trades today are less likely to net starters. If anything, they seem to suggest the opposite.

[wist43]

No computer program necessary. All you need to do is fairly select the data points independently from your results, e.g., just include the entire draft or none at all.

I do not understand your percentage "of a whole." You did not apply weights to any of the other players based upon their relative contribution, they were either a 1 or a zero. Anyway, your statistics don't prove that the trades today are less likely to net starters. If anything, they seem to suggest the opposite.

Sounds like you're well on you're way to doing your own version... I shall look forward to it my logically challenged friend - don't worry, you'll do fine ;)

[sharpe1027]

Sounds like you're well on you're way to doing your own version... I shall look forward to it my logically challenged friend - don't worry, you'll do fine ;)

Other posters already did another version earlier in the thread.

[LEWCWA]

I think wist is saying that by leaving the 3rd round, GB lowered the chance of netting a quality starter substanually. Why would he include rounds 1-3, if he is trying to show how many players from rounds 4-7 turned into quality players. He could show how much better TT is at finding quality starters in round 1-3, though. I think wist isn't being generous enough to some of the players in those rounds though. I count 13 that made to me some sort of quality contribution to the team......

[LEWCWA]

I have him at about 29% in rounds 4-7 and about 75% in rounds 1-3, so I understand his point of taking a player in the 3rd round and not aquiring picks.....alas my standards are lower. I give credit to say Colledge, as he made alot of contribution. Wist would say the dude sucked and was a wasted 2nd round pick....

[sharpe1027]

I think wist is saying that by leaving the 3rd round, GB lowered the chance of netting a quality starter substanually. Why would he include rounds 1-3, if he is trying to show how many players from rounds 4-7 turned into quality players. He could show how much better TT is at finding quality starters in round 1-3, though. I think wist isn't being generous enough to some of the players in those rounds though. I count 13 that made to me some sort of quality contribution to the team......

Nobody wants him to include rounds 1-3. What he did was include players in rounds 4-7 that were cut while excluding players still on the team from the same draft and also in rounds 4-7.

If you are correct about the intent of wist's post, then he would need to analyze the success rate of round three to show a comparison. There are several other problems. For example, the concept of dividing the analysis into rounds is fundamentally flawed. A pick at the end of round three is closer to a pick in round four than it is to a pick at the beginning of round three. You could try to analyze the difference in the success rate between number of picks the packers traded down. Then you could look at the success rate of the picks they gained.

In any event, it is probably not worth figuring out b/c there are simply too many variables to make a reasonable analysis.

[bobblehead]

Good grief, lol...

You're taking all the data that is known to you - read it s-l-o-w-l-y... ALL KNOWN DA-TA - say it together now... we can get a rhythm going ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!! YAY!!!!

STOMP YOUR FEET AND BANG THE TABLES!!! ALL KNOWN DATA, ALL KNOWN DATA!!!!

As Miss Mona Lisa Vito said, "Now I axe ya..." how can you include samples if you don't know what they are?? They are excluded from the data set, and don't influence the result one way or the other - get it??

Ok wist, you asked for a statistics expert, so I am wasting 5 mnutes.

They are all right and you are wrong in this case. You have selectively eliminated data that may not support your hypothesis. This is very similar to a global warming alarmist. I may be remembering incorrectly, but JH said the hit rate was something like 22% if you eliminate the entire drafts, so if you had 4 question marks the correct way of doing it would be to use the previous years rates, then apply a 22% X 4 unknowns for one 88% confidence "hit".

If you include the "known" misses you should also include .88 "hit" for your unknowns....or eliminate ALL of those draft picks.

By eliminating the most likely to succeed (only ones who still might) while counting the 100% flops you skew your stats and mislead.

You might be closer to accurate then the others, but you are still way off by effectively eliminating nearly one full "hit" while allowing in numerous "misses".

Ok, see you all in another year or so.

Edit: You also have not shown the success percentage of picks 1-3 which may be of a low enough rate to make TT's trades smart. If he effectively gave up 20 spots, you have to show the likely success rate of that to truly understand the effectiveness of what he did. This is why I hate statistics, because so much of it is subject to the input. We have as many as 3 names that people dispute with you who should be on the list. Many would argue that Matt Flynn should be on the list. And so on and so on.

[Bretsky]

You can't select your sample based upon the end result without skewing the data. Either include the entire draft year or exclude it. Anything else is cooking the books.

don't agree here; Wist was not saying TT sucks as a gm or is a bad drafter
what he was pointing out related to the constant trade downs
I think his point was adding all of these bodies in later rounds brings few starters % wise and it might often be better just staying with our pick or trading up more rather than adding mass picks that either don't work out or reshuffle the bottom of the roster

[pbmax]

Ok wist, you asked for a statistics expert, so I am wasting 5 mnutes.

They are all right and you are wrong in this case. You have selectively eliminated data that may not support your hypothesis. This is very similar to a global warming alarmist. I may be remembering incorrectly, but JH said the hit rate was something like 22% if you eliminate the entire drafts, so if you had 4 question marks the correct way of doing it would be to use the previous years rates, then apply a 22% X 4 unknowns for one 88% confidence "hit".

If you include the "known" misses you should also include .88 "hit" for your unknowns....or eliminate ALL of those draft picks.

By eliminating the most likely to succeed (only ones who still might) while counting the 100% flops you skew your stats and mislead.

You might be closer to accurate then the others, but you are still way off by effectively eliminating nearly one full "hit" while allowing in numerous "misses".

Ok, see you all in another year or so.

Edit: You also have not shown the success percentage of picks 1-3 which may be of a low enough rate to make TT's trades smart. If he effectively gave up 20 spots, you have to show the likely success rate of that to truly understand the effectiveness of what he did. This is why I hate statistics, because so much of it is subject to the input. We have as many as 3 names that people dispute with you who should be on the list. Many would argue that Matt Flynn should be on the list. And so on and so on.

Oh sure now you show up!

Where have you been bobble?

[rbaloha1]

Pseudo science and witch doctor crap.

None of these number factor-in system fit. My guess is TT passes on players posters like because they do not fit the system.

[falco]

Pseudo science and witch doctor crap.

None of these number factor-in system fit. My guess is TT passes on players posters like because they do not fit the system.

This makes sense. My guess is, based upon his methodical approach, is that he will trade up if they really like a player and trade down if there isn't one that stands out.

[gbgary]

o-line, safety, and wr help today please.

[Fritz]

Well, that's a pretty bogus skewing of the stats. I think it's best if you just decided to do the analysis without the last couple of years. Thompson has hit more than most late in the draft. That one is pretty clear to most--no matter what your stats say. Because it's such a crapshoot late, I think it's best to give yourself a lot of bullets. Hitting on 3 out of 10 late picks is better than hitting on 1 of 4 late picks. Anyways. It's all a bunch of nonsense if you don't know what Thompson's draft board looks like. He might have had Lacy and Ball rated evenly, figured one would drop to him (which Lacy did), picked up extra draft picks, and still gotten one of the guys he wanted. I'm sure there's been times where it hasn't worked out, but I'm guessing since he's done it so often, he's probably had what he feels is pretty good success with it. We can all bitch and moan that he might have missed out on the likes of Jesse Williams, but we have no idea if the Packers scouts really even like the player that much. Who's to say he would have even drafted him? I'm pretty sure if he really liked the player, he would have just drafted him. He has shown that he will go up and get players he really likes, he'll sit and draft a player he likes, and he'll trade down if there's a group of player he likes. It really isn't that hard to comprehend. No offense, wist. I like you and you bring spice to the board, but the constant negativity is depressing.

This is a draft where the "experts" said didn't have a lot of elite players at the top but had good depth. Thompson turned 8 picks into 12 picks in a deep draft at the expense of moving down a total of 20 spots. So, at the expense of trading down a little over a half round mostly late in the third round, he picked up two 5ths, a 6th, and a 7th round pick. That doesn't sound like a terrible deal to me. Now, whether it was a good move depends on who they would have drafted (which we'll never know) and on who they pick. He needs to hit on his first two picks and on 2-3 of these late round picks.

Harvey, I'm with ya here. I think you've nailed it.

Thompson trusts his scouting department. He sees the draft a certain way and pursues it. It should be clear by now that he's not married to a single way of doing things. After all the bitching about his unwillingness to trade up, last year he did - a few times. After all the bitching about his refusal to pick for what we thought were needs - he did.

[Guiness]

No it's not - it's the logical, scientific approach to analyzing the evidence. We weigh all of the known data, and necessarily have to exclude all unknown variables - unless you want to do like the global warming alarmists and just make shit up?? The players who are excluded from consideration are excluded b/c we don't know what they are. It's not that complicated.

Maybe it is, in fact, TT's picks you can't come to square with?? hmmmm??? :twisted:

As you look at the list, do you find yourself absorbed, wondering where did it all go wrong?? Then abruptly snap out of it and yell, NYET!!! NYET!!!

More grog!!!

Lies, damn lies and statistics, right?

The problem with your approach is that a pretty low success rate acceptable - if he hit on 15-20% I think most would consider that pretty good. So when you take out some potential successes out of the sample, while still counting all the misses, the hit rate goes from low to miniscule! Almost like saying he scored 0% on the ones he got wrong :)

I thought you were the 'glass half full' rat, but see you're the 'skeptical rat'. Close enough!

[Guiness]

Wasn't paying close attention to the draft yesterday, popped in to see our second round pick then had supper and watched an episode of GoT. Thought I heard some strange popping noises, now I know what they were - everyone's head exploding when TT traded down in the 3rd, then traded out of the round!

The trades don't bother me. With the SF trades, I'd guess there was no one he liked enough to take at the spot he was in, so he took what trade was offered, because it certainly seems like he didn't get much in return.

At least 12 drafted rookies coming to camp though. Seems like a lot, and over the past few years most of the Pack's drafted rookies (and usually one or two undrafted) rookies make the team. Does that mean 12 new faces on the Pack this year? That would be 20%, seems like a real lot for a team that won its division last year, closer to college turnover than pro.

[rbaloha1]

This makes sense. My guess is, based upon his methodical approach, is that he will trade up if they really like a player and trade down if there isn't one that stands out.

The draft value numbers are just guides -- TT says they are only numbers. Trusting your scouting dept. is the number one determining factor as per TT. Relying on numbers pisses of scouting personnel.

[RashanGary]

At this point in the draft:

Really hard to find big guys who aren't huge projects. You're more likely to find skill players.
Can find some small school gems still
Center is a position you can fill in the 4th round with a legit player
We need a backup QB

P.S. I'm a big fan of Rontez Miles (small school safety)

[Fritz]

I'm hoping for Schwenke or B. Jones at center, then a wide receiver, a linebacker or two, a safety, and maybe a big-body project they can stash on the PS for a year.

And special teams talent!

[RashanGary]

Shoot, Duke Williams, he looks good.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have this feeling that TT is going to pass one the guys I like--even though they'll be available.
:)

OC Barrett Jones
WR Quinton Patton
OC Brian Schwenke
DT Jesse Williams
S Phillip Thomas
QB Tyler Wilson

[RashanGary]

I like your list, Harvey.

We have Carolina and Tennessee in front of us. Not exactly your who's who of draft mavens :) That's a plus.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones, Patton, Williams, or Thomas.

Chris Faulk is another intriguing talent on day 3.

[Bretsky]

Tennessee can go screw themselves

[RashanGary]

Mother fucker, he was probably my favorite.

[Bretsky]

I have this feeling that TT is going to pass one the guys I like--even though they'll be available.
:)

OC Barrett Jones
WR Quinton Patton
OC Brian Schwenke
DT Jesse Williams
S Phillip Thomas
QB Tyler Wilson

Minus Wilson.....I've be happy with any of those

I'd prefer Jessie Williams here; absolute steal.....we need DL help...and protects us if Raji leaves

[woodbuck27]

TT has to find SS; 34 OLB and OL ie Center and Brian Schwenke just went to Tennessee... as priorities.

After that it's luxury picks ie WR >>> TE >>>CB >>>QB (We need a decent backup QB and TT will get something here soon)

[Bretsky]

Dear TT....we are ready for one on Harvey's list...plz pick one.....and we can go w/o a trade down here

[Bretsky]

Khasseem Green and Smamarko Thomas are two more that I'd be happy with

[Bretsky]

It sucks that we don't get to hear the draft picks live anymore

[Bretsky]

Dear TT......it may have been a good idea to trade down again

[rbaloha1]

Packers just picked David Bakhatari

[woodbuck27]

Good value pick for TT = WR's Ryan Swope; Quinton Patton

CB Jordan Poyer

LOT Reid Fragel, Ohio State

and TT goes OL and David Bakhtiari>>>good pick

[Bretsky]

ESPN noted he was a guy who could play a few postions but categorized him as a guy you could throw into the mix as a developmental player

[rbaloha1]

Good value pick for TT = WR's Ryan Swope; Quinton Patton

CB Jordan Poyer

LOT Reid Fragel, Ohio State

and TT goes OL and David Bakhtiari>>>good pick


Left Tackle solved

[gbpackfan]

Packer Report nailed this pick. Listed him as the only remaining OL that can play LT. Good pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hate the pick.

[RashanGary]

NE took Nate Solder out of Colorado the year we took Sherrod. I remember watching the technique on the Colorado kid vs the guy we got and thinking one looked picture perfect with his hands and feet and the other looking like a project.

I think Colorado coaches the OL pretty well. I think this guy might be able to play early.

[Bretsky]

Just another reminder of the nightmare of Sherry if we're taking this guy over the likes of guys like Shamarko Thomas

[Bretsky]

Hate the pick.

agree

It's the bad part of paying attention to college
Short term you end up hating a lot of them

[woodbuck27]

TT goes to OL and at Round 4 Pick 109 Overall:

OT David Bakhtiari >>> 6'4" 299 FROM Colorado ... Grade 70.5

[rbaloha1]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/david-bakhtiari?id=2540183

[Brandon494]

Not my favorite but I like the pick, we do have to protect our 110 million dollar QB especially with our rivals drafting some good pass rushers.

[woodbuck27]

Left Tackle solved

Obviously TT isn't secure in what we had at Tackle.

This fella also adds versatility. Anyone who doesn't see the logic in this pick doesn't care about Aaron Rodgers and his health.

This pick is about protecting the INVESTMENT>>> Aaron Rodgers.

[Bretsky]

1, David Bakhtiari, Colorado

An aggressive and passionate player, Bakhtiari doesn't possess elite size (6'4, 299 pounds) but plays hard and with an edge. He started three years at Colorado, and is as impressive an individual as he is a football player. Tough and determined, he showed a fighting spirit despite playing on a losing team throughout his career. Decent all-around skills are accentuated by that effort, and he could turn into a solid player at the next level.

[rbaloha1]

agree

It's the bad part of paying attention to college
Short term you end up hating a lot of them

Another tough guy -- starting lt next year

[RashanGary]

CBS sports overview. . . . I thought the Colorado lineman looked good in 2011 (solder.) Looks like they do produce quality OL.


While the Buffs haven't been the consistent producer of NFL talent like some of their former Big 12 or current Pac-12 foes, one area in which they've routinely developed prospects is along the offensive line.
Bakhtiari (pronounced Bock-T-are-E) has established himself as a legitimate NFL-caliber talent, following in the footsteps of Nate Solder (New England Patriots) and Ryan Miller (Cleveland Browns), former Colorado standouts selected in the first and fifth rounds of the 2011 and 2012 drafts, respectively.

After redshirting in 2009, Bakhtiari was thrown into the fire at right tackle in 2010, starting 11 games (playing in all 12) and earning honorable mention all-conference honors from the AP. In 2010, he made the switch to left tackle and was recognized as a second team all-conference performer.

While Colorado struggled through yet another poor season in 2012, which ultimately led to the firing of head coach Jon Embree, Bakhtiari against was a bright spot with second-team All-Pac-12 honors.

"I've been contemplating this for a long time," Bakhtiari said in announcing he would leave school a year early for the NFL. "It didn't have anything to do with Jon Embree [former Colorado head coach] being fired. I had always intended to see where the NFL was going to position me after I submitted myself for the review.

"The evaluation came back and had me in the second- to third-round range for a pick, but I also received some good feedback from Steve Marshall [Colorado offensive line coach] and Coach Embree, who spoke with several of their contacts around the league, and they thought I might even go a little bit higher, and that helped, too."

[Brandon494]

CBS NFL Profile-

STRENGTHS: Physically looks the part of an NFL offensive lineman. Has long arms and good overall weight distribution. Has a thick lower half and good core flexibility, well suited to anchoring against bull rushers. Good initial quickness. Consistently is the first Colorado offensive lineman off the snap and shows the ability to jump off the ball, turn and seal off defenders in the running game. Gains good depth on his drop and eats up ground with a deep kick-step. Long arms and strong hands allow him to latch on to defenders as they attempt to cross his face when he is in pass protection. Good understanding of angles to cut off defenders who appear to have him beat. Good upper body strength and good hand placement to latch on and control his opponent. Shows some nastiness to his game, looking to knock defenders to the ground when he can. May not possess elite straight-line speed but shows enough burst to get to the second level and is highly competitive once he gets there, seeking out someone to hit. Good bloodlines. Eric Bakhtiari, David's only brother, was a standout defensive lineman at San Diego State and has been on an off the San Francisco 49ers' roster.

WEAKNESSES: May lack the elite combination of height and foot speed to handle edge rushers in the NFL, though he appears well suited to simply sliding inside to left guard. Doesn't have top body control for blocking on the move and will struggle adjusting to moving targets. Too often attacks the outside shoulder of linebackers when blocking on the move, allowing them to "swim" over him and remain in the action. Would like to see him finish his blocks more completely. Often protected with a tight end as Colorado frequently used a dual tight end set...

Compares to: John Greco, OL, Cleveland Browns -- Like Bakhtiari, Greco was a standout left tackle in college (Toledo) but one whose lack of ideal size and foot speed pushed him inside in the NFL. While not a standout, he's emerged as a solid starter and one whose physicality and determination won't be questioned once given an opportunity.

[Packgator]

Bakhtaran was the top rated tackle left....

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/27/4274068/nfl-draft-2013-best-available-offensive-tackle

[Bretsky]

If Sherrod turns out a bust then this was a much needed pick

[woodbuck27]

At Pick #122 >>> TT has to target:

SS>>>34 OLB and SS ILB.

Alternative Targets:

BPA eligible WR and TE and QB

[run pMc]

Not a big fan of the pick, was hoping for Jesse Williams, QPatton or Schwenke, but with TEN picking Schwenke that went out the window. I think they'll try this guy at both tackle and guard and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at guard. They needed to draft someone at OL. I don't think they're done.

I'm starting to think J.Williams (who was a late R1 in many mocks) must have a big red flag somewhere...maybe a medical. Regardless, TT has 9 picks left and wouldn't be surprised if he uses them to move up/down for players he's targeted.

[woodbuck27]

If Sherrod turns out a bust then this was a much needed pick

This was the exact right spot for this pick.Some may have been thinking Quessenberry here but this fella is developing fast.

A logically solid pick = TT's choice.

[RashanGary]

As I read, I like this pick a lot. Well coached. When he played the games, it sounds like teams liked him. It sounds like his coaches really thought he had something special. I think the weigh-in and combine hurt him. That's OK. He plays tough. He plays with good technique. He's consistent. He's a nice pick in the 4th round. He's a football player, a good one, at a premium position. Might not ever be a star, but he seems about as safe of a player as you can get at OT in the 4th round.

I'll bet, right now, he has a long career. Everything is safe about him. Good coaching. His game tape was really praised. Dropped because of the combine. . . . I like it.

[Brandon494]

I can't wait to see which WR TT drafts, hopefully its a tall guy.

[woodbuck27]

Not a big fan of the pick, was hoping for Jesse Williams, QPatton or Schwenke, but with TEN picking Schwenke that went out the window. I think they'll try this guy at both tackle and guard and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at guard. They needed to draft someone at OL. I don't think they're done.

I'm starting to think J.Williams (who was a late R1 in many mocks) must have a big red flag somewhere...maybe a medical. Regardless, TT has 9 picks left and wouldn't be surprised if he uses them to move up/down for players he's targeted.

Quinton Patton would be a BPA option.

Schwenke was off the board.

Jesse Williams (injury concern?) and an Australian Rugby player with maybe too many tatoo's LOL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Just another reminder of the nightmare of Sherry if we're taking this guy over the likes of guys like Shamarko Thomas

Well, I don't like that shrimp, so we don't agree there.

[RashanGary]

CAn't wait to hear what TT has to say. I have a feeling he's going to talk a lot about how good his tape was.

I like what I read. Not great on the 2nd level, but it sounds like he's an excellent run blocker at the point, on the edge. . . . We have problems blocking the first guy. Maybe it's not such a bad idea to get guys who can do that first.

[Bretsky]

Not a big fan of the pick, was hoping for Jesse Williams, QPatton or Schwenke, but with TEN picking Schwenke that went out the window. I think they'll try this guy at both tackle and guard and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at guard. They needed to draft someone at OL. I don't think they're done.

I'm starting to think J.Williams (who was a late R1 in many mocks) must have a big red flag somewhere...maybe a medical. Regardless, TT has 9 picks left and wouldn't be surprised if he uses them to move up/down for players he's targeted.

Odds are one of these guys are there at 122 but doubtful that we take them

[woodbuck27]

As I read, I like this pick a lot. Well coached. When he played the games, it sounds like teams liked him. It sounds like his coaches really thought he had something special. I think the weigh-in and combine hurt him. That's OK. He plays tough. He plays with good technique. He's consistent. He's a nice pick in the 4th round. He's a football player, a good one, at a premium position. Might not ever be a star, but he seems about as safe of a player as you can get at OT in the 4th round.

I'll bet, right now, he has a long career. Everything is safe about him. Good coaching. His game tape was really praised. Dropped because of the combine. . . . I like it.

I once had him in my Mock and definitely ahead of 'the flavour of the week' LT David Quessenberry FR. San Jose State.

[Bretsky]

Harv....what is your take on John Simon ? OSU DL ? Of course I hate him because he's from OSU...but is he a player ??

[RashanGary]

Some teams might have a 300 pound weight limit on OL. I wonder if TT says he's surprised this guy was still there. I just get a really good feeling about this pick. I like all three picks. We drafted ball players this year. We have a long, athletic DE who can hand fight in the trenches and move all across the line. He's a fighter and a baller. Lacy, obviously has the injury concerns, but he's a real running back. He can play. And this guy. For the spot we took him, he's looking like one of my favorite Packer picks in a while. I get good vibes right now. 300 lbs, sure, but it sounds like he's a fuckin blocker. He pass blocks well and he run blocks well at the point of attack. He blocks his guy (run or pass.) Slight issue at the 2nd level, but he's really good at blocking. That's going to be his job. Love it.

[Carolina_Packer]

Obviously TT isn't secure in what we had at Tackle.

This fella also adds versatility. Anyone who doesn't see the logic in this pick doesn't care about Aaron Rodgers and his health.

This pick is about protecting the INVESTMENT>>> Aaron Rodgers.

Yep, I heard Charlie Casserly mention him this morning as a super sleeper that nobody is really talking about. He also mentioned that because he doesn't have ideal stature for OT that he might get moved inside.

[woodbuck27]

TT >>> at Pick #122:

QB Tyler Bray,Tennessee

BPA Options >>>>WR Quinton Patton, Louisana Tech 6-0 204 or Ryan Swope, Texas A&M 6-0 205 and VERY fast

FS Phillip Thomas, Fresno State or Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma

DE/OLB Cornelius Washington, Georgia

[Bretsky]

OFF goes the last STELLAR safety I saw.............Philip Thomas...........bye bye

[RashanGary]

TT said the board held together well yesterday. Sounds like the guys they like stayed on the board. . . . This point in the draft, I don't think you get very many good lineman. You get projects who may be good some day, but I think we just drafted a really good lineman in the 4th round.

Everyone knows it, you draft big guys in the beginning of the draft. They're rare. They are the starting point of every good team. Without them, you're doomed. I love that we landed a legitimate, quality big guy in the 4th round. He's a player. A legit player.

[Bretsky]

I once had him in my Mock and definitely ahead of 'the flavour of the week' LT David Quessenberry FR. San Jose State.

He's pretty similar long term IMO to Quessenberry. If we've failed with Sherrod he covers our ass. He might be ok......ok

[Brandon494]

Here we go! This fucker better not trade down.

[Bretsky]

Yikes....I didn't see anybody rate Khaled Holmes over Barrett Jones.........Colts just took the USC Center

[woodbuck27]

TT >>> at Pick #122:

QB Tyler Bray,Tennessee

BPA Options >>>>WR Quinton Patton, Louisana Tech 6-0 204 or Ryan Swope, Texas A&M 6-0 205 and VERY fast

FS Phillip Thomas, Fresno State or Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma

DE/OLB Cornelius Washington, Georgia

OUCH !!

Redskins >>> SS Phillip Thomas, 6'0" 208, Fresno St. ........... Grade 74.1

[Bretsky]

Jessie Williams.....there must be a problem somewhere....still sitting there. Patton would be a very solid pick here. Still a good CB in Poyer out there. Barrett Jones .......ah....who the hell knows....trade down............

[woodbuck27]

Yikes....I didn't see anybody rate Khaled Holmes over Barrett Jones.........Colts just took the USC Center

Barrett Jones is suffering now !

[Brandon494]

S or LB?

[woodbuck27]

Jessie Williams.....there must be a problem somewhere....still sitting there. Patton would be a very solid pick here. Still a good CB in Poyer out there. Barrett Jones .......ah....who the hell knows....trade down............

I'm in for either Patton or SWOPE >>> WR.

[Packgator]

Barrett Jones is suffering now !

Jones went to the Rams?

[Bretsky]

I predict I may have to look up info on our pick cause I won't know who he is

[Brandon494]

Tretter played tight end in his first two seasons at Cornell, but moved to tackle, and helped the team’s offensive immensely. He started each of his final 20 games at left tackle and is the first offensive lineman to earn All-Ivy League First Team honors since Kevin Boothe in 2005.
Strengths
Athletic build. Possess light feet, and has the athletic ability to mirror pass rushers. Flexible, shows the ability to bend. Moves well laterally. Plays with good balance. Quick off the ball. Recognizes stunts and blitzes well, and has the coordination to execute multiple blocks in these situations.

Weaknesses
Limited experience and played against weak competition. Will likely have to move to guard, due to a lack of length. Lacks core strength. While he's light on his feet, his foot quickness needs to improve.

NFL Comparison Keith Boothe

Bottom Line

Tretter is an athletic offensive lineman, who will likely have to move to the inside at the next level. He plays the game with good balance and coordination. However there will be questions about his length, strength, and the competition he played. Tretter looks to be a nice long-term upside type.

[rbaloha1]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/j.c.-tretter?id=2540292

[woodbuck27]

I'm in for either Patton or SWOPE >>> WR.

or this guy:

CB >>> Jordan Poyer, Oregon State >>> Good Value Pick Like the fellas above.

[gbgary]

ol again...tretter?

[Badgerinmaine]

More on Bakthiari: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1613477-david-bakhtiari-5-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-colorado-ot (http://http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1613477-david-bakhtiari-5-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-colorado-ot)
Quotes: "David Bakhtiari has become a hot name in the draftnik community, to the point where he is widely believed to be a second-round pick."
"Mayock also noted he thinks Bakhtiari can be a second-round pick and a starter at LT. I prefer him at G but intriguing player."

— Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) April 17, 2013"

[rbaloha1]

O-line is a problem that requires fixing

[wist43]

woo hoo!!!!

Two man-boobed, "underdeveloped", "needs to get stronger", "mobile", "versatile"

LOL

A leopard don't change his spots.

What a disaster of a draft.

[woodbuck27]

I predict I may have to look up info on our pick cause I won't know who he is

I had considered him for my Mock #167 Comp. Pick.

TT has me surprized with this pic. Doubling down @ OT is a very telling move.

[Bretsky]

MENTAL NOTE..................3 OF OUR FIRST 4 PICKS HAVE BEEN ON OFFENSE.....................

[wist43]

O-line is a problem that requires fixing

I absolutely agree with you there... but drafting two more guys who are clones of the softies we already have??

TT is just replacing previously drafted/street FA softies. Year after year, all he's doing is churning the bottom quarter of the roster over and over.

[Badgerinmaine]

Buffalo News on Tretter: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-coverage/2013/04/road-to-the-draft-jc-tretter.html
From the article: "A heady player who recognizes blitzes, moves well laterally and is packed with potential given his relative inexperience along the line. Will have to prove himself against better competition. Missed a chance to compete at the Senior Bowl because of a broken nose. Will need to continue to get stronger to handle the rushes he’ll see from NFL defensive tackles."

[woodbuck27]

I had considered him for my Mock #167 Comp. Pick.

TT has me surprized with this pic. Doubling down @ OT is a very telling move.

Check this out :

The Seahawks go Big WR and Chris Harper with the next Pick 123.

Patton and SWOPE?? What's the scoop on these WR's>>there gone soon.

[Brandon494]

TRADE!

[Bretsky]

TED JUST TRADED UP..............

[gbpackfan]

TRADE UP!

[Bretsky]

William Gholston.....Levar Edwards......Mike Mayock pimping some pass rushers or DL help for GB

[rbaloha1]

packers on the clock again

[Badgerinmaine]

TED JUST TRADED UP..............
"And now for something completely different" ;-)

[Packgator]

Can this be right....

Tretter was named a second team All-American by the Associated Press and a third team All-American by the Sports Network, was selected to play in the Senior Bowl.

[wist43]

How bad did the Broncos ass-rape us on that one??

[RashanGary]

Wow, TT must love this spot in the draft.

[gbpackfan]

Wow! Great pick!!!!

[Bretsky]

OMG.....fucking funny.............Jonathan Franklyn

[Brandon494]

Wow, you truly never know with TT.

[woodbuck27]

Here come 'the Magician' again grabbing the Broncos pick at #125>>>>WR>>>WR>>>WR TT !!!!

Patton or Swope Please TT !!!

[woodbuck27]

OMG.....fucking funny.............Jonathan Franklyn

Whaaaaaaattt !

[wist43]

We need just 1 more man-boobed offensive linmen....

Ted is da man!!!!

[gbpackfan]

Our running game is finally going to be NFL caliber! Love the pick

[rbaloha1]

mcginn was right again

[wist43]

lol...

We already have Franklin on the roster, lol...

[Brandon494]

We might actually have a running game this season, something Rodgers has really never had

[RashanGary]

Holy fuck!

That first OT we took is a legit player. The 2nd, a project. Now another RB. Whoa.

[Badgerinmaine]

Can this be right....

Tretter was named a second team All-American by the Associated Press and a third team All-American by the Sports Network, was selected to play in the Senior Bowl.

The article I posted said he was picked for the Senior Bowl but didn't play because he had a broken nose. And isn't Cornell a FCS school? That might have been FCS level All-American.

[Bretsky]

To be honest, Jonathon Frankly is a nice looking RB for what GB needs. Of our first five pick, four have now been on offense
Are we dreaming ?
It appears that shoring our defense up because of what San Francisco did to us is not our focus

[wist43]

Wonder if he can play NT??

[Carolina_Packer]

Our running game is finally going to be NFL caliber! Love the pick

I wonder who will make the team at RB?

Lacy, Franklin, and...?

[rbaloha1]

Packers are fed up with the current crop of duds

[Badgerinmaine]

I wonder who will make the team at RB?

Lacy, Franklin, and...?
How healthy is Starks at this point?

[woodbuck27]

Whaaaaaaattt !

Guessing he wants a locker room guy and a roommate for Datone Jones. I hope they like one another.

This is another solid pick...TT is building a RB stable>>>

Look for a different Offense next season.

You can say goodbye to Alex Green and/or James Starks.

[Packgator]

Franklin rated number 2 RB in the draft behind Lacy. Projected 2nd to early 3rd rounder.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82662&draftyear=2013&genpos=RB

[Bretsky]

Franklyn was a very good value pick IMO here........he also pass protects.....

[wist43]

To be honest, Jonathon Frankly is a nice looking RB for what GB needs. Of our first five pick, four have now been on offense
Are we dreaming ?
It appears that shoring our defense up because of what San Francisco did to us is not our focus

Wasn't even a consideration.

Ted is drafting today, for 3 years down the line.

Besides, they're not going to panic - the do what they do - they prefer soft offensive linemen who can't run block, and they don't much care about playing defense.

[run pMc]

What the hell? J.Franklin?
Does Thompson think Ross and Boykin are going to be the answer at WR? I get drafting OL, but draft a WR already!

[wist43]

Franklyn was a very good value pick IMO here........he also pass protects.....

We already had him on the roster - Dujuan Harris.

I guess Harris is back to selling cars :(

[Packgator]

The article I posted said he was picked for the Senior Bowl but didn't play because he had a broken nose. And isn't Cornell a FCS school? That might have been FCS level All-American.

That must be it.

[Badgerinmaine]

NFL.com on Franklin: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/johnathan-franklin?id=2539326 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/johnathan-franklin?id=2539326)
Excerpt: "Franklin had his best statistical year by far as a senior, and managed to clean up his fumbling issues. His speed, shifty hips, and one-cut ability will make him at least a nice NFL change-of-pace back."

[wist43]

What the hell? J.Franklin?
Does Thompson think Ross and Boykin are going to be the answer at WR? I get drafting OL, but draft a WR already!

Relax - America has 400 million FA's to choose from.

[RashanGary]

D Jones - Legit player - Fighter, athletic, long, nasty, impact player
E Lacey - Legit player - Hard runner, plays fast, he's a legit running back
Bakhtiari - Legit player (not man-boob project like Wist called him. Legit tough guy. Legit blocker. Nasty, consistent, well coached, ready to play)
Tretter - Project (Going to have to move to guard. Excellent athlete, high upside, project)
Franklin - Legit player. Runs well, blocks well, smart, hard working. . . . .

[Packgator]

What did Packers give up in the trade?

[Bretsky]

what in the hell did we give up anyways ? Can we package the rest of our picks for two more fourths.....so we can end the day? lol...

[Bretsky]

Quinton Patton................taken by the San Francisco Forty Niners.........

[wist43]

Yeah, this draft is officially a complete disaster.

Maybe loosing McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider, et al really is going to cause the Packer front office to implode??

This draft is straight out of the looney bin... maybe those guys kept Ted from hurting himself with sharp objects??

[Badgerinmaine]

That must be it.
I looked it up--yes, FCS 2d team All-American on multiple teams. Not bad for how late he was, though. http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/12/10/FB_1210123651.aspx (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/12/10/FB_1210123651.aspx)

[HarveyWallbangers]

The experts love Franklin. One expert said he was #2 RB on his board behind Lacy. Another said he was the reincarnacion of Warrick Dunn. Thunder and Lightning with Lacy/Franklin. RB position has been completely overhauled. Starks is done. Harris as the lone holdover (possibly Green, if he stays healthy). I like the pick.

[woodbuck27]

lol...

We already have Franklin on the roster, lol...

When you make donuts >>>do you just make one???

[run pMc]

what in the hell did we give up anyways ? Can we package the rest of our picks for two more fourths.....so we can end the day? lol...

Per JSO - They traded away their fifth round, 146th overall pick and their sixth round, 173 overall pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We need to dig up some old draft threads.

[rbaloha1]

Warick Dunn

[gbgary]

I'm guessing Starks is probably gone now.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, this draft is officially a complete disaster.

Maybe loosing McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider, et al really is going to cause the Packer front office to implode??

This draft is straight out of the looney bin... maybe those guys kept Ted from hurting himself with sharp objects??

OK this must be said:

Someone PLEASE get TT to Re-Hab>>>pronto !!!!

He's seeing double. DOUBLES.