Official Day 2 (Rounds 2 and 3) of the 2015 NFL Draft Thread

[Smidgeon]

PFT is predicting that only two more ILBs go in Round 2:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ry/rumor-mill/

33. Titans: NT Eddie Goldman, Florida State
34. Buccaneers: OT T.J. Clemmings, Pitt.
35. Raiders: DL Mario Edwards Jr., Florida State.
36. Jaguars: WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma.
37. Jets: OT Jake Fisher, Oregon.
38. Washington: CB Jalen Collins, LSU.
39. Bears: CB Doran Grant, Ohio State.
40. Giants: S Landon Collins, Alabama.
41. Rams: DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska.
42. Falcons: LB Eric Kendricks, UCLA.
43. Browns: WR Devin Smith, Ohio State.
44. Saints: OLB Eli Harold, Virginia.
45. Vikings: OG-OT Donovan Smith, Penn State.
46. 49ers: WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona State.
47. Dolphins: CB P.J. Williams, Florida State.
48. Chargers: CB-S Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio).
49. Chiefs: WR Rashad Greene, Florida State.
50. Bills: QB Bryce Petty, Baylor.
51. Texans: ILB Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi State.
52. Eagles: TE Maxx Williams, Minnesota.
53. Bengals: DL Carl Davis, Iowa.
54. Lions: RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska.
55. Cardinals: RB T.J. Yeldon, Alabama.
56. Steelers: CB Alex Carter, Stanford.
57. Panthers: DE Danielle Hunter, LSU.
58. Ravens: NT Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma.
59. Broncos: RB Duke Johnson, Miami (Fla.)
60. Cowboys: RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana.
61. Colts: S James Sample, Louisville.
62. Packers: OLB Nate Orchard, Utah.
63. Seahawks: DE Markus Golden, Missouri.
64. Patriots: WR Sammie Coates, Auburn.

[pbmax]

Scout.com's 2nd Round Mockumentary (auto correct is more behind than me, it auto corrected mockumentary to rockumentary)

Jamie Newberg
National Recruiting Analyst
http://profootball.scout.com/story/1542860-2015-nfl-draft-2nd-round-draft?s=127

Scout.com has 3 ILBs going before Packers pick, then Pack gets an D Lineman.




33 Tennessee Titans WR Dorial Green-Beckham Oklahoma
34 Tampa Bay Buccaneers OT Jake Fisher Oregon
35 Oakland Raiders DE Preston Smith Mississippi State
36 Jacksonville Jaguars RB Jay Ajayi Boise State
37 New York Jets OT T.J. Clemmings Pitt
38 Washington Redskins DE Owa Odighizuwa UCLA
39 Chicago Bears OLB Eli Harold Virginia
40 New York Giants S Landon Collins Alabama
41 St. Louis Rams QB Bryce Petty Baylor
42 Atlanta Falcons DT Michael Bennett Ohio State
43 Cleveland Browns WR Devin Smith Ohio State
44 New Orleans Saints DE Randy Gregory Nebraska
45 Minnesota Vikings ILB Eric Kendricks UCLA
46 San Francisco 49ers ILB Denzel Perryman Miami
47 Miami Dolphins CB Eric Rowe Utah
48 San Diego Chargers OG A.J. Cann South Carolina
49 Kansas City Chiefs C Hronnis Grasu Oregon
50 Buffalo Bills LB Benardrick McKinney Mississippi State
51 Houston Texans WR Jaelen Strong Arizona State
52 Philadelphia Eagles CB P.J. Williams Florida State
53 Cincinnati Bengals DE Mario Edwards Florida State
54 Detroit Lions RB Duke Johnson Miami
55 Arizona Cardinals DT Eddie Goldman Florida State
56 Pittsburgh Steelers CB Jalen Collins LSU
57 Carolina Panthers WR Rashad Greene Florida State
58 Baltimore Ravens CB D'Joun Smith Utah
59 Denver Broncos OT Donovan Smith Penn State
60 Dallas Cowboys RB T.J. Yeldon Alabama
61 Indianapolis Colts OLB Danielle Hunte rLSU
62 Green Bay Packers DT Jordan Phillips Oklahoma
63 Seattle Seahawks OG Ali Marpet Hobart
64 New England Patriots CB Quinten Rollins Miami Ohio

[wist43]

My guess is Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia, 6'6", 305 lbs...

Fits all of our criteria - of no use now, developmental project, needs to get stronger, but has fancy feet.

[red]

if we take an OLB (to play outside LB), in the second, i will shoot myself in the balls

[red]

SB nation has us taking paul dawson

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/5/1/8527695/2015-nfl-mock-draft-second-round

TT mentioned the guy we got last night was a "football player" like 50 times

well after the combine paul dawson said "I’m an awesome football player, not a track star"

[Maxie the Taxi]

PFT is wrong. NFL Draft Tracker has drafting an ILB as either the first or second priority of the Falcons, Giants, Texans, Cardinals and 49ers. None of the four big names are likely to slide to us. Except maybe for Dawson.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'd draft Dawson in the 2nd no problem.

[wist43]

Dawson ran a 4.93 at the combine!!! I don't care how instinctive you are - if you can only run a 4.9 from the LB position?? You can't play in the NFL.

He ran a 4.76 at his pro day, but that isn't much better.

He looks very good on tape, but I'm a better athlete than he is, and I'm racked with arthritis!!

That said, he'd be the perfect TT pick... "... just a good football player". Will give TT the opportunity to say that 26 times during his presser.

[Carolina_Packer]

I hope his pad level is good.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jordan Phillips would be a good get late 2nd. I wouldn't mind getting Jordan Hicks or Paul Dawson in round 3.

[wist43]

if we take an OLB (to play outside LB), in the second, i will shoot myself in the balls

There are some OLB's that I can see moving inside... Shaq Thompson was one of them.

I like Jordan Hicks, and could project Davis Tull inside. Jake Ryan is listed outside by some, but I see him inside as well.

We're going to miss out on McKinney and Kendricks - hope we don't take Dawson.

Ramik Wilson further down would be nice.

I'm not holding out any hope that we come away from this draft solving our ILB problems - my guess is that TT and Dom think we don't have a problem.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dawson ran a 4.93 at the combine!!! I don't care how instinctive you are - if you can only run a 4.9 from the LB position?? You can't play in the NFL.

Numbers according to NFL Draft Scout

Chris Borland: 4.83 40 (4.81 at Pro Day), 114" broad, 31" vert, 27 bench
Denzel Perryman: 4.78 40, 113" broad, 32" vert, 27 bench

Never say never. Dude looks like a carbon copy of Borland. Both highly productive in college too. Of course, we passed on Borland, so Perryman might not have hit the measurables that TT desires. Say what you will about Hawk, but he was at the top when he was drafted in measurables.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My last post was comparing Perryman to Borland, but Wist was talking about Dawson. I missed that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm holding out hope that Perryman is the pick in round 2, but I could see us going for Jordan Hicks in round 3. Maybe my boy, Kyle Emanuel, can project inside in a 3-4. :)

[Maxie the Taxi]

It's funny, I've done dozens of mock drafts using different big boards on "On The Clock." I could never draft a decent combination of CB and ILB if I selected the CB first. The problem Ted has is that the ILB pool is not nearly as deep in talent as the CB pool.

[Freak Out]

if we take an OLB (to play outside LB), in the second, i will shoot myself in the balls

With what?

[mraynrand]

if we take an OLB (to play outside LB), in the second, i will shoot myself in the balls

C'mon, God, I never really ask for much, but please let the Packers select an OLB - to play OLB - in the second round. I promise never to look at Scarlett Johansson again! And neither will Red.

[mraynrand]

It's funny, I've done dozens of mock drafts using different big boards on "On The Clock." I could never draft a decent combination of CB and ILB if I selected the CB first. The problem Ted has is that the ILB pool is not nearly as deep in talent as the CB pool.

I'd pay good money to see TT's big board. Uhh...that doesn't sound quite right....

[pbmax]

PFT is wrong. NFL Draft Tracker has drafting an ILB as either the first or second priority of the Falcons, Giants, Texans, Cardinals and 49ers. None of the four big names are likely to slide to us. Except maybe for Dawson.

OK, Maxie. Let's keep a list and update it. We'll add Draft Tracker to the mocks above for people we are suspicious could snag a ILB.

Giants
Falcons
Vikings
49ers
Bills
Texans
Cardinals

maxie, you make the list of LBs we want to be there at pick 62.

[wist43]

My guess is the next pick will be an OL or WR. Probably on OL.

Think TT thinks we're just fine at ILB, and couldn't care less about drafting one.

[Smidgeon]

GBPG updated their Round 2 mock:

33.Titans - WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
34.Bucs - OT T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
35.Raiders - OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska
36.Jaguars - OT Jake Fisher, Oregon
37.Jets - QB Brett Hundley, UCLA
38.Redskins - OLB Eli Harold, Virginia
39.Bears - DT Eddie Goldman, Florida State
40.Giants - S Landon Collins, Alabama
41.Rams - WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
42.Falcons - RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana
43.Browns - WR Devin Smith, Ohio State
44.Saints - TE Maxx Williams, Minnesota
45.Vikings - RB Jay Ajayi, Boise State
46.49ers - CB Jalen Collins, LSU
47.Dolphins - ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA
48.Chargers - DT Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
49.Chiefs - WR/TE Devin Funchess, Michigan
50.Bills - QB Bryce Petty, Baylor
51. Texans - ILB Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi State
52.Eagles - S/CB Eric Rowe, Utah
53.Bengals - DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA
54.Lions - DT Carl Davis, Iowa
55.Cardinals - ILB Denzel Perryman, Miami
56.Steelers - CB P.J. Williams, Florida State
57.Panthers - OT Donovan Smith, Penn State
58.Ravens - CB Ronald Darby, Florida State
59.Broncos - TE Clive Walford, Miami
60.Cowboys - RB Amer Abdullah, Nebraska
61.Colts - DE Preston Smith, Mississippi State
62.Packers - ILB Paul Dawson, TCU
63.Seahawks - WR Sammie Coates, Auburn
64.Patriots - G A.J. Cann, South Carolina

But I do want to take issue with how they started the article:

"Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson went outside the box -- literally and figuratively -- in Thursday's first round of the NFL draft."

How did TT literally go outside the box with the pick of The Randall? Do they literally even know what "literal" means?

[red]

maybe he stepped outside to make the call?

[esoxx]

if we take an OLB (to play outside LB), in the second, i will shoot myself in the balls

No need to be so extreme. Use Bretsky's route of disappointment relief with the ol' can of vasoline.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?27819-Official-1st-Round-Of-The-2015-NFL-Draft-Thread/page20

[Maxie the Taxi]

pb, not sure what you want...but the big name guys I have in mind w/NFL Draft Tracker grades are:

5.8 DAWSON
5.8 KENDRICKS
5.7 MCKINNEY
5.6 PERRYMAN

2nd Tier ILB's are:

5.4 RAMIK WILSON
5.4 TAIWAN JONES

3rd Tier:

5.2 BEN HEENEY
5.2 HAYES PULLARD
5.2 AMARLO HERRERA

Then there is:

5.1 DAMIEN WILSON
5.1 JEFF LUC
5.1 JOHN TIMU

Then:

5.0 BRYCE HAGER
5.0 ZACH VIGIL
5.0 QUAYSHAWN NEALY

Then 4 or 5 that grade less than 5.0 (guys who have less than a 50/50 chance of making an NFL roster).

A grade of 6.0 means the guy should become an instant starter. By the way, Stephone Anthony graded 5.7. So you can see the ILB talent is slim this year.

For comparison's sake, OLB's Eli Harold and Randy Gregory grade out at 6.1 and 6.4 respectively.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-team-input:sf/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-position-input:lb
(http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-team-input:sf/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-position-input:lb)
PS - OLB's Lorenzo Mauldin, Jordan Hicks and Jake Ryan grade 5.6, 5.4 and 5.3 respectively.

[pittstang5]

So the consensus, and I'm probably stating the obvious, is, that if we want a top tier ILB, TT needs to trade up.

Who could be a partner? Pure speculation - Jets, Redskins and Chargers? I heard the Redskin's GM wants more picks and the Jets and Chargers only have a handful of picks left.

[smuggler]

How did TT literally go outside the box with the pick of The Randall? Do they literally even know what "literal" means?

He's a CB/FS. He is literally not a box defender. I agree, not a good joke.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Smidgeon, assuming the revised GBPG 2nd round mock is accurate, it begs this question:

Are the Packers better off after two rounds having drafted:

Option #1...DB RANDALL and ILB PAUL DAWSON?

or

Option #2...ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY and the next available CB at pick 62...say QUINTON ROLLINS or JOSH SHAW?

[pbmax]

pb, not sure what you want...but the big name guys I have in mind w/NFL Draft Tracker grades are:

5.8 DAWSON
5.8 KENDRICKS
5.7 MCKINNEY
5.6 PERRYMAN

2nd Tier ILB's are:

5.4 RAMIK WILSON
5.4 TAIWAN JONES

3rd Tier:

5.2 BEN HEENEY
5.2 HAYES PULLARD
5.2 AMARLO HERRERA

Then there is:

5.1 DAMIEN WILSON
5.1 JEFF LUC
5.1 JOHN TIMU

Then:

5.0 BRYCE HAGER
5.0 ZACH VIGIL
5.0 QUAYSHAWN NEALY

...

Just give me the one's you would be happy to get with the second round pick.

[red]

1. kendricks
2. perryman
3. mckinney
4. dawson

in that order. of course i still like the idea of sending a 3rd or maybe the second to the eagles for kendricks older brother

[red]

for those wanting a trade up (i do)

if we include our 2nd and 3rd we could move up about 12-14 spots

our 2nd and 4th would move us up about 5 spots

[Maxie the Taxi]

1. kendricks
2. perryman
3. mckinney
4. dawson

in that order. of course i still like the idea of sending a 3rd or maybe the second to the eagles for kendricks older brother

What Red said. (I'd put McKinney ahead of Perryman.)

[pbmax]

ILB Targets 2nd Round

1. Kendricks
2. McKinney
3. Perryman
4. Dawson

Obstacles
1. Giants
2. Falcons
3. Vikings
4. 49ers
5. Bills
6. Texans
7. Cardinals

[wist43]

Smidgeon, assuming the revised GBPG 2nd round mock is accurate, it begs this question:

Are the Packers better off after two rounds having drafted:

Option #1...DB RANDALL and ILB PAUL DAWSON?

or

Option #2...ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY and the next available CB at pick 62...say QUINTON ROLLINS or JOSH SHAW?

Hate option #1 - like Dawson on tape, but my God his workouts were lousy. And of course I hate the Randall pick.

Ted seems well on his way to making a mess of this draft.

Don't think he'd have any interest in Rollins or Shaw.

[wist43]

I think the pick will be TJ Clemmings or another OT...

If Clemmings is gone I'm thinking TT will go with DJ Humphries, OT, Florida - or - Jake Fisher OT, Oregon (fits TT's OL template - good athlete, noodle armed, gets called for a lot of penalties).

[mraynrand]

And of course I hate the Randall pick.

It was hard to tell

[Rastak]

ILB Targets 2nd Round

1. Kendricks
2. McKinney
3. Perryman
4. Dawson

Obstacles
1. Giants
2. Falcons
3. Vikings
4. 49ers
5. Bills
6. Texans
7. Cardinals


I think McKinney is more of a Zimmer type of guy although I like Kendricks.

[Rastak]

One of the first round stories was does Adrian Peterson get traded. It's still a story in the second round but his agent basically waved the white flag after the first round and said he was excited the Vikings wanted him and hoped they could work towards a deal to make him retire a Viking.....lol.

Translation? We have no guaranteed money so let's make a deal......

[pbmax]

gets called for a lot of penalties).

Really? Packer O lineman draftees are notable for their penalties?

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 14m14 minutes ago
La'el Collins and his reps have decided if he's not selected tonight he will not sign a contract with a team and will renter draft next year

[mraynrand]

If Clemmings is gone I'm thinking TT will go with DJ Humphries, OT, Florida

I bet you he won't

[Joemailman]

I think the pick will be TJ Clemmings or another OT...

If Clemmings is gone I'm thinking TT will go with DJ Humphries, OT, Florida - or - Jake Fisher OT, Oregon (fits TT's OL template - good athlete, noodle armed, gets called for a lot of penalties).

You'll be happy to know Humphries was picked last night..... Well, maybe happy is overstating it.

[red]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 14m14 minutes ago
La'el Collins and his reps have decided if he's not selected tonight he will not sign a contract with a team and will renter draft next year

that has to be the worst agent ever

what player has sat out a full year, then turned in to anything

you think your player is gonna go in the first 3 rounds next year after sitting on his fat ass for a full year?

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
Titans entertaining offers for top pick in 2nd round, No. 33. Top teams in round 2 all taking calls. One team interested in coming up: PITT.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 58m58 minutes ago
Teams I hear want to come up into the early part of the 2nd round: The #Steelers, the #Seahawks, the #Falcons.

[red]

One of the first round stories was does Adrian Peterson get traded. It's still a story in the second round but his agent basically waved the white flag after the first round and said he was excited the Vikings wanted him and hoped they could work towards a deal to make him retire a Viking.....lol.

Translation? We have no guaranteed money so let's make a deal......

lol, due to earn 48 million over the next 3 years. yeah, good luck getting more

[Rastak]

lol, due to earn 48 million over the next 3 years. yeah, good luck getting more


Yea, no shit.

[Joemailman]

that has to be the worst agent ever

what player has sat out a full year, then turned in to anything

you think your player is gonna go in the first 3 rounds next year after sitting on his fat ass for a full year?

If he's not selected tonight, he'll be locked into a 4th round (at best) draftee contract for at least 3 years. If he reenters the draft next year, he has a chance to be drafted in the 1st round, with the contract that goes with it. Players sit out a full year all the time. Usually it's because of an injury, but what difference does it make?

[mraynrand]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
Titans entertaining offers for top pick in 2nd round, No. 33. Top teams in round 2 all taking calls. One team interested in coming up: PITT.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 58m58 minutes ago
Teams I hear want to come up into the early part of the 2nd round: The #Steelers, the #Seahawks, the #Falcons.

Steelers have to take a d-back

[Rastak]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 14m14 minutes ago
La'el Collins and his reps have decided if he's not selected tonight he will not sign a contract with a team and will renter draft next year

Right. Now they are in desperation mode.

[Rastak]

If he's not selected tonight, he'll be locked into a 4th round (at best) draftee contract for at least 3 years. If he reenters the draft next year, he has a chance to be drafted in the 1st round, with the contract that goes with it. Players sit out a full year all the time. Usually it's because of an injury, but what difference does it make?

Loses one year of a very limited career and makes nothing and of course anything can happen in a year...

[Rastak]

I'm looking for AJ Cann for the Vikings....or maybe one of the two ILBs I mentioned earlier.

[pbmax]

lol, due to earn 48 million over the next 3 years. yeah, good luck getting more

He's worried the Vikings will now cut bait. He is taking their (from his point of view) lack of agitating* on his behalf with the League office as dissatisfaction with him that might end his time with the Vikings well before he collects. Injury is also a concern. Unless his lawsuit is successful, he is not getting back last year's post-suspension money either.

Vikes didn't trade him but they also didn't draft his replacement.

Now is the time he has whatever leverage he is going to have.


*Might also be mad about guidance/lack of guidance about the wisdom of taking that plea deal.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
Titans entertaining offers for top pick in 2nd round, No. 33. Top teams in round 2 all taking calls. One team interested in coming up: PITT.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 58m58 minutes ago
Teams I hear want to come up into the early part of the 2nd round: The #Steelers, the #Seahawks, the #Falcons.

LOL. They're all scrambling to draft their favorite ILB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What time does the draft start tonight?

[wist43]

You'll be happy to know Humphries was picked last night..... Well, maybe happy is overstating it.

Are there rules that say he can't be picked again?? Second dibs??

The pick will be OT - and TT will pick his nose and fling the booger at anyone who dares ask him a question about ILB. Very compelling television ;)

[red]

I'm looking for AJ Cann for the Vikings....or maybe one of the two ILBs I mentioned earlier.

WE, as a collective group of fans, will hate you if your team takes one of our ILB's

[Rastak]

He's worried the Vikings will now cut bait. He is taking their (from his point of view) lack of agitating* on his behalf with the League office as dissatisfaction with him that might end his time with the Vikings well before he collects. Injury is also a concern. Unless his lawsuit is successful, he is not getting back last year's money either.

Vikes didn't trade him but they also didn't draft his replacement.

Now is the time he has whatever leverage he is going to have.


*Might also be mad about guidance/lack of guidance about the wisdom of taking that plea deal.

He has very little - potential hall of fame career...missed an entire year for all practical purposes. 30 years old. He HAS to play.

He wants some gauranteed money in case he gets hurt and it all ends.

As for the plea deal, his record is wiped clean if he does what was asked and stays straight and narrow. Legally, this whole thing wasn't much but the NFL had a huge black eye so turned it into the Ed Gein case.

[Rastak]

What time does the draft start tonight?


Any second Harv!


edit: Or is it 6pm CT?

[red]

What time does the draft start tonight?

6 i think, in an hour

[Joemailman]

for those wanting a trade up (i do)

if we include our 2nd and 3rd we could move up about 12-14 spots

our 2nd and 4th would move us up about 5 spots

I'd hate to give up a 3rd in this draft to move up in the 2nd. Depending on the circumstances, I might not mind giving up a 4th to move up in the 3rd.

[red]

I'd hate to give up a 3rd in this draft to move up in the 2nd. Depending on the circumstances, I might not mind giving up a 4th to move up in the 3rd.

yeah, i seems like a lot to move up very little

[red]

If he's not selected tonight, he'll be locked into a 4th round (at best) draftee contract for at least 3 years. If he reenters the draft next year, he has a chance to be drafted in the 1st round, with the contract that goes with it. Players sit out a full year all the time. Usually it's because of an injury, but what difference does it make?

if someone drafts him in the 4th tonight, don't they own his rights no matter if he signs or not

or do they just own him for a year?

[Joemailman]

if someone drafts him in the 4th tonight, don't they own his rights no matter if he signs or not

or do they just own him for a year?

I think just for a year.

[pbmax]

I might miss part of tonight. In case people want to peek ahead these are the two who were tipping last night:

NFL Update ‏@MySportsUpdate 29m

Jeff Howe @jeffphowe

[pittstang5]

I might miss part of tonight. In case people want to peek ahead these are the two who were tipping last night:

NFL Update ‏@MySportsUpdate 29m

Jeff Howe @jeffphowe

is that via twitter? I don't do the twitter

[red]

thanks pb

[smuggler]

Yeah, if Collins or Gregory do not sign by this time next year, they could come back into the 2016 draft to vie for higher status.

[red]

still think its very dumb

davonte adams signed a 4 year deal for just under 4 million

kyrie thorton (3rd round) got a 4 year deal at 2.85 million

richard rodgers (3rd round) 4 years 2.76 million

carl bradford (4th round) 4 years 2.65 million

cory linley (5th round) 4 year 2.4 mill

just take your fucking 100s of thousand and shut you fucking mouth. learn your lesson that when the cops say they want to talk to you about something, you don't avoid them, and in 4 years if your worth a shit, you'll actually get big money

they shit he's pulling would have to be a massive red flag for teams this year and next. its all about the money for the kid, nothing else

[pittstang5]

If I gotta see that Peyton Manning Commercial (Chicken parm you taste so good) one more god damn time, I'm gonna lose it.

[Rastak]

If I gotta see that Peyton Manning Commercial (Chicken parm you taste so good) one more god damn time, I'm gonna lose it.

I'm gonna lose it if they back up 4 or 5 picks again.

Seriously, if that shit happens again like last night I might have to re-evaluate watching the damn thing. I'm serious. Maybe just read about it when it ends.

[pittstang5]

Ras - I agree. I'm hoping they've worked the kinks out, but I'm not optimistic. It's bullshit, a pain in the ass and there's really no reason for it. Announce the pick then go to commercial. You can talk about the pick after commercial. Everyone I know who watched it last night had the same gripe. Radio show hosts were complaining about the same thing.

[Rastak]

Giants trade up.....on the clock.

That is one cool thing about the 3 day format....time to re-evaluate.

[Rastak]

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 23s23 seconds ago
Giants are sending a 2, a 4 and a 7 to the Titans for the 2nd rounder.

[Rastak]

1. LANDON COLLINS | Alabama 6000|228 lbs|3JR New Orleans, La. (Dutchtown HS) 1/10/1994 (age 21) #26
GRADE 1st-2nd Round

BACKGROUND: A five-star defensive back recruit out of high school, Collins surprised many, including his own mother, when he spurned his home-state LSU for Alabama. He served as a back-up freshman safety in 2012 behind HaHa Clinton-Dix and Vinnie Sunseri, recording 17 tackles, mostly on special teams. Collins started the 2013 season as the starting dime defensive back before moving over to strong safety for the injured Sunseri, finishing second on the team in tackles (70), adding 4.0 tackles for loss, eight passes defended and two interceptions. He started all 14 games as a junior strong safety in 2014 and led the team in tackles (103) and interceptions (three) with 10 passes defended, earning First Team All-SEC honors. Collins opted to skip his senior season in Tuscaloosa and enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Looks the part with thick upper and lower body bulk for the position…good timed and field speed with range to cover a large area…athletic body control and smooth change of direction skills to stay low and balanced in his transition…heat-seeking missile downhill vs. the run with no hesitation, taking explosive angles and finishing with a thud…excellent job in space, using his arms to wrap, drive and complete the process with low pad level and strong hands…fierce striker with violent intentions, but also smart to avoid penalties…read/reacts well as a run defender with timing and intimidation…athletic ballskills to be a playmaker when the ball is in the air…scheme diverse and welcomes added responsibility by the coaches – has ink on his face from keeping his nose in the playbook…impact performer on special teams coverage…highly productive, finishing first or second in tackles and passes defended in his two seasons as a starter…studious and already prepares like a professional with leadership qualities – not vocal, but a warrior on the field.


WEAKNESSES: Not as explosive in reverse or laterally, showing torso stiffness…questionable anticipation and recognition skills in coverage, routinely a step behind, especially with his vision stuck in the backfield…late eyes and hesitates, needing a moment to process what the quarterback wants to do – anticipation is very up/down…pauses in coverage allow receivers to get behind him, lacking the make-up speed to catch up…inconsistent spatial awareness, throwing off his angles to the catch point…will drop some high percentage interceptions…no serious injuries on his résumé, but playstyle leads to violent collisions and durability concerns.


SUMMARY: Collins was a versatile chess piece for Nick Saban, lining up at free safety, strong safety and weakside linebacker for Alabama the last two years, in both man and zone coverages. He has terrific break down skills as a reliable enforcer against the run, showing no indecision downhill, but tends to hesitate in pass coverage, not trusting his instincts and allowing his eyes to struggle with moving parts. Collins has above average tools with the physical make-up and football smarts to earn a paycheck in the NFL for a long time as a strong safety, but he lacks a natural feel in pass coverage, which is the question mark surrounding his transition to the pro game – top-30 prospect who is much better vs. the run than in pass coverage right now.

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Ras - I agree. I'm hoping they've worked the kinks out, but I'm not optimistic. It's bullshit, a pain in the ass and there's really no reason for it. Announce the pick then go to commercial. You can talk about the pick after commercial. Everyone I know who watched it last night had the same gripe. Radio show hosts were complaining about the same thing.

they aren't gonna work the kinks out. the same damn thing happened last year

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NFLN expert "he will stroke you if you come over the middle"

ummmm, ok

[Rastak]

7. DONOVAN SMITH | Penn State 6055|338 lbs|4JR Owings Mills, Md. (Owings Mills HS) 6/23/1993 (age 21) #76
GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2012

BACKGROUND: A four-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Smith narrowed his college choice between Penn State, NC State and UCLA, choosing the Nittany Lions and redshirting in 2011. He earned the starting left tackle job as a redshirt freshman in 2012, earning a spot on several All-Freshman teams. Smith started 11 games at left tackle in 2013 as a junior, earning Honorable Mention All-Big Ten honors. He started 11 games as a junior left tackle in 2014, missing two games due to injury. Smith decided to skip his senior season and enter the 2015 NFL Draft. As a fourth-year junior already graduated, he was able to participate in the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Wide-bodied frame with meaty thighs and a thick bubble…good initial quickness in his kickslide to protect the edge…solid footwork in his kickslide with coordination to counter rush moves, carrying his weight well…improved vision and spatial awareness with better second level mobility than expected…uses his length to redirect defenders and win with body positioning…upper body power to overwhelm rushers with a bully mentality, punching in pass protection and driving bodies out of the play in the run game…possesses balanced girth and isn’t an easy object to move…flashes a highly competitive on-field demeanor and can be a mean son of a gun when he wants to be…graduated in three-and-a-half years with a degree in criminology…three-year starter with 31 career starts at left tackle.


WEAKNESSES: Heavy mover with some bad pounds in his midsection – weight will need monitored…prone to lunging, overextending and allowing his momentum to get off balance, ending up on the ground too much…plays too high and needs to better sink and anchor to stay off his heels…will over-set and lose inside leverage, struggling to quickly shift his energy…makes it too easy for blockers to attack his chest and tends to be wild with his hands – needs to keep his elbows inside and his limb mechanics require attention…needs to do better job using his hands and reach to meet rushers, often too content using his lower body to get in the way…too much spectating and doesn’t always play through the whistle…questionable work ethic and not considered a “go-getter” by Penn State staffers…minor durability concerns, missing two games with an ankle injury (Sept. 2012) as a freshman and two games with a concussion (Oct. 2014) as a junior.


SUMMARY: Smith played for three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators in his four years in State College, starting 31 games at left tackle the last three seasons. He is a heavy mover and his weight needs to be checked, but he shows the short-area quickness and balance to cut off speed and hold his ground against both power and speed rushers. Smith gets physical in the run game and brings his hips with him to deliver pop at contact, but his technique and attitude run hot/cold, lacking consistent fire in his belly, especially during the week when he’s not pushed. While sloppy, Smith is also effective and gets the job done more times than not. If a team keeps him motivated, he projects as a better version of Michael Oher, ideally suited for a power scheme – top-75 prospect with starting potential at right tackle as a rookie or possibly inside at guard.

[pittstang5]

What is Goddell's problem announcing players names. he fucks up Mariota last night and now fucks up Allstott, by saying All-Stat.

[Rastak]

What is Goddell's problem announcing players names. he fucks up Mariota last night and now fucks up Allstott, by saying All-Stat.


He truly is an idiot.

[Rastak]

Fuck......same thing. Announce the goddamn picks.

[Rastak]

8. MARIO EDWARDS JR. | Florida State 6025|279 lbs|3JR Denton, Texas (Ryan HS) 4/19/1994 (age 21) #15
GRADE 3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A five-star defensive line recruit out of high school, Edwards was considered one of the best high school players in the country and made it known early in the process he intended on following in his father’s footsteps and enrolling at Florida State. He was a true freshman back-up in 2012 before earning a pair of starts in the final two games of the season when Tank Carradine was injured, recording 17 tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks. He became a starter in 2013 as a sophomore and finished second on the team with 9.5 tackles for loss, adding 28 tackles, 3.5 sacks and one forced fumble. Edwards started 13 games in 2014 as a junior and saw action at defensive end, defensive tackle and outside linebacker with a team-best 11.0 tackles for loss and 44 tackles, 3.0 sacks and two forced fumbles, earning First Team All-ACC honors. Edwards decided to skip his final season in Tallahassee and opted for the 2015 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Stout body thickness throughout with a bulky lower body and frame built for the NFL…powerful upper body to jolt, using heavy, forceful hands to work through and toss bodies – uses mitts well to obstruct passing lanes (eight career pass break-ups)…physical punch and strong wrists to control and contain the edge and finish ballcarriers…athletic movement skills for his size and shows natural bend and initial quickness…violent and explosive striker in short spaces, rolling his hips and tackling with authority…flashes an aggressive mentality and mean-spirited attitude…nice job making stops while engaged, keeping his eye level up…versatile experience playing inside, outside and on his feet at Florida State over 26 starts…NFL bloodlines – father (Mario) was a Florida State cornerback and sixth round pick in the 2000 NFL Draft, playing five seasons professionally and currently serving as an assistant coach for the Seminoles.


WEAKNESSES: Concerning weight fluctuation with bad weight on his frame and history of poor diet habits…late off the snap and needs to improve his reaction time and urgency – needs to show more of a plan…plays tight with the added weight, limiting his range…enjoys contact too much, not showing consistent hand use or desire once engaged…relies too much on his upper body strength and needs to focus on his footwork and knee bend…ineffective pass rush sequence and needs to show improved continuity and creativity in this area…undisciplined recognition skills and ball awareness, biting on fakes and misdirection and struggling with offensive moving parts…unreliable in space with inconsistent break down skills on the move…suspect conditioning and tends to wear down later in games – training habits and off-field desire are strong concerns…durability concerns after a Sept. 2014 concussion that knocked him out of the Clemson and NC State games – also missed two games in Sept. 2013 with a right hand injury that required a plate and screws…mediocre production with only 8.0 career sacks in 26 starts.


SUMMARY: Mario Edwards Sr. had Mario Jr. when he was in high school and they could become the first father-son duo to both be drafted in the 21st century – if the Dallas Cowboys draft him, tight end Jason Witten and quarterback Tony Romo will have been teammates with both Mario Sr. (2003) and Mario Jr. (2015). Edwards has scheme-diverse versatility with the size, strength and athleticism combination to wear several hats inside or outside. He has physical hands to contain, but doesn’t know how to fully use them, struggling to shed and showing little pass rush life. Edwards ballooned to 315 pounds in 2014 with an admitted diet issue, but lost weight towards the end of the season and needs to stay in the 275-285 range – does he have the dedication to maintain a functional weight? Although his underachieving traits and effort concerns are strong red flags, Edwards has early round skills when conditioned and motivated, projecting him best as a 4-3 base defensive end or five-technique defensive end in a 3-4 – top-40 talent, but questionable accountability puts his value in the third round

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played at 310, showed up at 272 at his pro day

yikes

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hey, they're speeding things up

[Rastak]

7. T.J. YELDON | Alabama 6012|226 lbs|3JR Daphne, Ala. (Daphne HS) 10/2/1993 (age 21) #4
GRADE 3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A five-star running back recruit out of high school, Timothy “T.J.” Yeldon was courted by every major program in the country, verbally committing to Auburn prior to his senior season. However, he switched allegiances to Alabama when Gus Malzahn left his post as Tigers’ offensive coordinator. Although he was Eddie Lacy’s back-up as a true freshman, Yeldon saw considerable playing time with 1,108 rushing yards and 12 touchdowns on 175 carries, earning Freshman AllAmerican honors as the only freshman in school history to eclipse 1,000-rushing yards. He became the Crimson Tide starter as a sophomore in 2013 and had his most productive season with 1,235 rushing yards and 14 rushing scores on 207 carries, earning First Team All-SEC honors. Yeldon started 10 games as a junior in 2014 and battled a few injuries, rushing for his lowest average (5.0 yards per carry) with 979 yards and 11 touchdowns on 194 carries, earning Second Team All-SEC honors. With one year left in Tuscaloosa, he decided to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Smooth lateral movements and makes it look easy stringing together various moves…terrific lower body burst and coordination, using elusive cuts and subtle footwork to be shifty in the open field – awesome stutter-and-go with a strong plant foot to accelerate out of cuts…always balanced with his nimble feet underneath him to stay upright through contact…patient to maneuver through traffic close to the line of scrimmage…has some deceiving power and won’t avoid contact, shaking off defenders without losing momentum or forward lean…toughs out injuries, often playing through pain…natural pass-catcher with beautiful body control, soft hands and smooth routes, often splitting out wide as a receiver…won’t shy in pass protection, squaring up with better take-on strength and blitz recognition than expected…reliable football character and work ethic with a likeable, soft-spoken personality…consistent production all three seasons in Tuscaloosa, leaving Alabama with 3,322 career rushing yards, which ranks No. 4 on the school’s all-time list.


WEAKNESSES: Taller than ideal with a lean torso and overall build, lacking an ideal body type for the position…run style is too upright and needs to improve his pad level…too reactionary and patient and needs to improve his recognition and decisiveness once he gets the ball…takes too much time reading blocks and needs to sense holes quicker to attack with authority – questionable vision and inside run instincts…not a pile mover and can be taken down by arm tackles at times…lacks elite speed and doesn’t have multiple gears to run away from defenders or consistently win the edge…squares well in pass protection, but doesn’t consistently play with the leverage, anchor or aggression necessary…improved ball security, but still has room for improvement – 10 fumbles in his three-year career (fumbled once every 62.2 offensive touches)…doesn’t have experience as a return man…has dealt with several nagging injuries, including hamstring and ankle issues in 2014.


SUMMARY: A ballcarrier with natural ability to do things most athletes can’t, Yeldon is “Mr. Smooth” with his agility and movement skills (almost like he floats), making defenders miss all over the field with his shifty feet and redirection ability. He tends to hesitate a tick too long at times and needs to be more decisive instead of waiting for plays to develop, taking too much time reading blocks and defenders – the NFL has too much speed for him to get away with this (just ask Trent Richardson). Although he is capable of running between the tackles, Yeldon is much better in space and at the second level, projecting best as a complimentary weapon on offense with his promise as a pass catcher and pass protector – well-equipped to make an immediate impact for a running back-by-committee system as a glorified third down option.

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yeah, just like james starks

is he also injury prone

jesus christ, i love LT yelling at me through the tv

[Rastak]

yeah, just like james starks

is he also injury prone

jesus christ, i love LT yelling at me through the tv

That's worthy of a high #2

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first obstacle to dodge on the ILB front

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ok, theres one down

bears coming up soon

[Rastak]

9. DEVIN SMITH | Ohio State 6003|196 lbs|4SR Massillon, Ohio (Washington HS) 3/3/1992 (age 23) #9
GRADE 2nd-3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Smith collected offers from Michigan, Notre Dame and other Midwest schools, but once Ohio State offered him a scholarship, it was a done deal. With Dane Sanzenbacher and DeVier Posey off to the NFL, he received early playing time as a true freshman in 2011 and despite recording only 14 catches for 294 yards, it was the only season in his career that he led the Buckeyes in receptions. Smith became a full-time starter in 2012, recording 30 catches for 618 yards and six touchdowns. He tallied a career-high 44 receptions for 660 yards and eight scores as a junior, earning All-Big Ten Honorable Mention honors. Smith averaged 28.2 yards per catch as a senior with 931 receiving yards on 33 grabs, leading the Big Ten with 12 receiving touchdowns, although he was only recognized with All-Big Ten Honorable Mention honors. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Legit vertical speed to be a “go route” tormentor – averaged one touchdown every 4.0 catches in college…gliding strides to stretch the field with take-itthe-distance acceleration…plant-and-drive burst with strong cuts and lower body explosion…tracks very well, using body angles to box out and gain correct positioning downfield…quick hands to pluck, extending his catch radius beyond others with his size…acrobatic ballskills to make highlight-reel grabs…flexible joints with the body control to make natural adjustments…excellent special teams player and often the first down the field on punt coverages – gains free release and speeds down the field with conviction…starred for three years on the Ohio State track & field team – qualified for NCAA regionals with a 7-0.25 high jump, which ranks top-five in school history…finished among the FBS leaders in 2014 with a 28.2 yards per catch average (also a single season school record) and leaves Columbus fifth in school history in career receiving yards (2,503).


WEAKNESSES: Lean body type with wiry muscle tone…field fast with light feet, but looks mechanical when asked to move laterally…doesn’t set up defenders in his routes and lacks diverse stem releases…wild footwork in his patterns and lacks control in his movements, making him most effective in a straight-line – unpolished as an underneath target and struggles to sink and separate in his breaks…inconsistent hands and drops too many easy throws with streaky focus…tracks the ball well, but late to adjust and attack if the ball doesn’t hit him in stride…will get pushed around and too easily re-routed and knocked off his path…averaged only 2.2 catches per game as a senior and his limitations kept him from being an every-down receiver.


SUMMARY: Although he’s a one-trick pony right now, Smith is really talented at that one trick, using his striding speed to stretch the field and be a difference-maker on vertical routes – Ohio high school state champion in the 100-meter dash (10.56). He is most effective on downfield routes and defenses must respect that, but is limited everywhere else on offense with shaky hands and a raw route tree, struggling to smoothly transition at the top of his patterns or set up his breaks. Although his game lacks polish, Smith brings special teams value as a gunner and he should contribute immediately as a nine route monster – time will tell if he can break through and be more than that.

[Joemailman]

Jets take Devin Smith. Speed burns.

[Joemailman]

Looks like NFL.com can't handle the traffic.

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already 3 picks behind

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the twitter things pb gave aren't leaking pics tonight, must have got scolded

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skins take preston smith de/OLB from miss state

[Rastak]

4. PRESTON SMITH | Mississippi State 6047|271 lbs|4SR Stone Mountain, Ga. (Stephenson HS) 11/17/1992 (age 22) #91
GRADE 2nd Round 2012

BACKGROUND: A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Smith committed to Mississippi State over Kentucky and a few other programs. He played sparingly as a true freshman in 2011 before seeing more action as a valuable reserve in 2012, recording 4.5 sacks and 35 tackles. Smith started 11 games in 2013 as a junior, posting 44 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks. He emerged as one of the SEC’s best defenders in 2014 as a senior, leading the team with 15.0 tackles for loss, 9.0 sacks and 15 quarterback hurries, adding 48 tackles and two forced fumbles. Smith earned First Team All-SEC honors and earned SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week three straight weeks at one point. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Passes the eye test with a tall, long build and above average wingspan…nice job holding the point of attack, anchoring well with knee bend and balanced leverage…heavy punch and will jar blockers with his hands, especially when he has a step or two of momentum…uses his arm extension to keep room between him and blockers while tracking the ball…nice job working off contact, showing improved hand usage once engaged to dispose of blockers…attacks gaps with his initial quickness and tough to slow down as an interior rusher – effective arm over swim move…good ankle flection to bend around the edge and press the pocket…above average body length helps with his tackling radius, unlocking his hips at contact and striking through his target…better than expected pursuit skills…two blocked kicks on special teams in 2014…different motivation after his daughter was born (Dec. 2013)…versatile experience at both left and right defensive end, moving to a onetechnique role on obvious passing downs…good production on his resume with 21.5 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks in 24 starts.


WEAKNESSES: Not a loose mover and lacks ideal closing burst…doesn’t own the edge speed to consistently win with athleticism alone…has some joint tightness and lacks the start/stop momentum to consistently turn the corner – forced to slow his momentum when gearing down…strong hands, but needs to be more violent to do a better job shedding blocks…needs to keep his feet through contact and stay off the ground…plays too tall, allowing blockers to get under his pads…part of a heavy rotation and received plenty of rest to be fresh…most of his production came as a senior.


SUMMARY: The light bulb started to illuminate for Smith over the summer (newborn daughter was a driving force of motivation) and it was at full glow a few games into the season, earning SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week honors three straight weeks at one point. His versatility is the key to his ability, lining up inside and outside and attacking the point of attack with his power and long arms. Smith will never be a twitchy rusher who will consistently win the edge with speed, but he has the length, strength and mind-set to hold the edge and provide some pass rush potential, especially when moved inside as a gap penetrator – fits as a left defensive end in a 4-3 or as a five-technique defensive end in the Kareem Martin mold.

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bears take eddie goldman

[Joemailman]

Eddie Goldman. That makes sense. He was the highest remaining player other than Gregory and Collins.

[Rastak]

4. EDDIE GOLDMAN | Florida State 6037|336 lbs|3JR Washington D.C. (Friendship Academy) 1/6/1994 (age 21) #90
GRADE 1st-2nd Round



BACKGROUND: A five-star defensive tackle recruit out of high school, Goldman chose to play at Florida State over offers from Alabama and Auburn. He served as a back-up true freshman, finishing with eight tackles and 1.0 tackles for loss. Goldman moved into the starting line-up as a sophomore, starting 13 games in 2013 and finishing with 19 tackles, 3.0 tackles for loss and 2.0 sacks. He started all 14 games in 2014 as a junior, recording 35 tackles, 8.0 tackles for loss and 4.0 sacks, earning First Team All-ACC honors. Goldman decided to skip his senior season and enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Built like a tank with proportionate thickness on his upper and lower halves…good quickness off the snap to cross the face and avoid blockers, attacking gaps and penetrating the backfield…extends his long arms to attack bodies and work off his man, making plays in the middle of the field…forceful hands and won’t let blockers dictate his path – prefers to be the instigator…physical at the point of attack with the lower body strength to push the pocket and reset the line of scrimmage…locates well and clogs run lanes, forcing ballcarriers to stop and ask for directions…adequate mobility for his size to get outside the hashes and pursue…explodes through his hips as a tackler and looks to finish…showing consistent stamina late in games and doesn’t need to come off the field often…well-liked by his teammates and coaches with competitive demeanor desired at the position…considered a strong practice player and hard worker between games – serious in the film room and student of the game…started 27 games the past two seasons, seeing playing time at end, three-technique and nose guard.


WEAKNESSES: Allows his pads to rise off the snap, impeding his leverage at the point of attack…not a twitchy player off the ball and his anticipation has room for improvement…lacks range and won’t consistently get work done outside the hashes…overaggressive and will get out of control in his movements, ending up taking the long route to the ball…pass rush skills are undeveloped and lacks much creativity with his hand/arm techniques…needs to add discipline to his diet and keep his emotions in check – a few after-the-whistle penalties to his name and was suspended (Sept. 2013) for one game due to a violation of team rules…minor durability concerns, leaving the ACC Championship Game with a right ankle injury (Dec. 2014) and didn’t work out at the NFL Scouting Combine because of the ankle issue and a neck sprain…average career production with minimal splash plays.


SUMMARY: After a slow start as a true freshman, Goldman beat out several upperclassmen for a starting job in 2013 as a sophomore next to Timmy Jernigan and took on an expanded role as a junior, seeing time at three-technique and nose guard. He has an excellent combination of quickness and power with the frame, length and core power to be scheme diverse and fit odd/even fronts. Goldman calls himself a “hard-nosed” player and he backs it up on the field and off, already preparing like a professional – has a genuine love for the game. He doesn’t offer much as a pass rusher and is a work-in-progress in several areas, but he is an impact twogapping run stuffer who hasn’t scratched the surface of his potential yet. Goldman lacks difference-maker traits, but is a better pro prospect than Jernigan and should be space-eater in the league for a long time, fitting best as a nose tackle or five-technique in a 3-4 or a one-technique in a 4-3 scheme – top-35 prospect in the mold of San Diego Chargers’ Corey Liuget.

[Rastak]

Paul Allen ‏@PAOnTheMic 1m1 minute ago
Who in heck did Carolina just trade up 15 spots for? #BigMove

[Joemailman]

Tennessee up. They need a CB. Eric Rowe?

[Rastak]

We wouldn't know because we are in a time warp instead of watching the draft unfold.

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Paul Allen ‏@PAOnTheMic 1m1 minute ago
Who in heck did Carolina just trade up 15 spots for? #BigMove

i wouldn't know

NO BODY HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT ON TV

[Joemailman]

Paul Allen ‏@PAOnTheMic 1m1 minute ago
Who in heck did Carolina just trade up 15 spots for? #BigMove

I'm guessing Jake Fisher.

[Rastak]

#Rams trade pick No. 41 to #Panthers for pick Nos. 57 (second round), 89 (third round), 201 (sixth round).

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well, mariota has a weapon now

[Rastak]

4. DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM | Oklahoma 6051|237 lbs|3JR Springfield, Mo. (Hillcrest HS) 4/12/1993 (age 22) #11
GRADE 1st-2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A five-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Green-Beckham had every major FBS program knocking at his door, but he decided to stay in-state and enroll at Missouri. He made an instant impact as a true freshman with 28 catches for 395 yards and five touchdowns in 2012, earning Freshman All-American honors by several outlets. Green-Beckham blossomed further as a sophomore starter in 2013 with a team-high 59 receptions for 883 yards and 12 touchdowns over 14 starts, earning Second Team All-SEC honors. He was dismissed from Mizzou after a third off-field incident (April 2014) and enrolled at Oklahoma, although he had to sit out the season after his waiver to play immediately was denied. Despite not playing a game for the Sooners, Green-Beckham decided to give up his remaining eligibility to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Physical specimen with rare athleticism and triangle numbers (size/speed/strength) for his frame…plays with balance and core power to keep his center of gravity…uses long-striding acceleration to get vertical in a hurry and create separation in his routes…strong plant-and-go burst in his breaks, effortlessly shifting his momentum in his patterns, not having to gear down when changing directions…physical leaper with high-pointing prowess to climb the ladder and play in the clouds…uses his body beautifully in coverage to tower over defenders with an outrageous catching radius…aggressive at the catch point with loose body control, easy adjustments and large hands to pluck with an attacking mentality…not a push-over and shows a “take charge” on-field personality…swats corners away in his path and won’t let defenders dictate his pattern…productive when on the field with 87 catches in two seasons at Missouri, averaging a touchdown every 5.1 receptions.


WEAKNESSES: Functional strength is average-at-best, before and after the pass…still learning the route tree and took advantage of mostly packaged and vertical patterns…bad habit of getting lazy in his routes at times and doesn’t consistently read coverages to set up his movements…will allow the ball to reach his body at times, which leads to drops…needs seasoning and on-field reps after not playing since the 2013 season…not a consistent finisher with questionable work habits – uncertain accountability, both on and off the field…strong red flags and immature make-up…multiple off-field incidents, including two arrests for marijuana possession: first in Oct. 2012 with four other teammates; and then in Jan. 2014, although those charges were later dismissed when another person in the car where the drugs were found took ownership…was dismissed from Missouri after allegedly forcing himself into an apartment and pushing a female down the stairs – wasn’t formally charged because no one pressed charges, but could enter the NFL with a strike against him when it comes to domestic abuse.


SUMMARY: A NFL prospect with rare physical traits, Green-Beckham is the type of wide receiver that even when covered, he is open due to his gargantuan size and freakish athleticism. He is still unpolished in several areas, but there is a ton of untapped potential with on-field ability that would warrant top-10 overall consideration in this draft class. However, there are strong red flags that will eliminate Green-Beckham from some NFL team’s draft boards and not just legal troubles, but also underachiever tendencies and doubts whether he has the work ethic and drive in his belly to reach his full potential. Fair or not, the Josh Gordon situation will be on the minds of any team that considers drafting him.

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I'm guessing Jake Fisher.

maybe the fat guy from oklahoma?

they did move up right after one of the other big NT's went

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falcons are the next team we need to worry about

[wist43]

first obstacle to dodge on the ILB front

I'll bet you $637 Billion that TT doesn't take an ILB in round 2 ;)

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I'm guessing Jake Fisher.could be, LT is their biggest need

[Joemailman]

I'm anxious to see if they know how to pronounce Owamagbe Odighizuwa. Good thing Goodell doesn't have to announce it.

[Rastak]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 56s57 seconds ago
The #Eagles are talking with the #Vikings about a potential deal, trading up from No. 52 to 45. Lots of action.

[Rastak]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 17s17 seconds ago
The #Browns have traded their No. 43 pick to the #Texans

[Rastak]

12. DEVIN FUNCHESS | Michigan 6042|232 lbs|3JR Farmington Hills, Mich. (Harrison HS) 5/21/1994 (age 20) #1
GRADE 3rd Round

BACKGROUND: A three-star tight end recruit out of high school, Funchess chose the Wolverines over offers from Nebraska, Michigan State and other Midwest programs. He earned Freshman All-American honors in 2012 as a true freshman tight end before becoming the full-time starter in 2013 as a sophomore, taking home the Big Ten Kwalick-Clark Tight End of the Year Award (although he played a receiver/tight end hybrid position). Funchess moved to outside wide receiver full-time as a junior in 2014, leading the Wolverines in catches (62) and earning Second Team All-Big Ten honors. He leaves Ann Arbor with five career 100-yard receiving games and at least one catch in 25 straight games. Funchess switched from jersey #87 to #1 for the 2014 season, adding his name to the exclusive list of Michigan receivers who have worn that number (Anthony Carter, David Terrell, Braylon Edwards and others). He elected to leave school early and enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Tall, athletic frame with smooth muscle tone throughout…long arms and big hands to create a large catching radius…snatches the ball away from his body and attacks with his hands…flexible freak with easy movement skills for his size and loose body control to make natural adjustments on the ball, turning downfield quickly after the grab…long, full strides to reach his top speed quickly…very good leaping ability to float and attack jump balls…not easy to bring down as a ballcarrier with his size to bounce off tacklers…nice job finding soft spots over the middle…has experience at tight end and wide receiver, lining up inline, slot and outside…match-up nightmare against linebackers and smaller corners with a size differential that isn’t close in most cases…good toughness to play through injuries.


WEAKNESSES: Very lean-muscled and lacks ideal bulk or sand…room to get stronger to better beat press and match-up with physical man defenders…too many drops off his hands on his résumé and needs to be more reliable with his focus through the catch…hand technique needs work, often caught with his hands turned the wrong way downfield…not a reliable finisher in contested situations…tends to think too much about post-catch and will take his eyes off the ball before securing…shows laziness in his routes and needs to sell patterns with more consistency…inconsistent vision after the catch, struggling to leverage the field or read his blocks…doesn’t consistently play up to his size as a ballcarrier and will brace himself for contact, not powering over smaller bodies…effort is there as a blocker, but often caught off balance with erratic technique…suffered ankle and toe injuries (Sept. 2014) and was hampered the rest of his junior season.


SUMMARY: Funchess passes the eye test and physically looks similar to Kelvin Benjamin or Alshon Jeffery, boasting the size/length/athleticism to create mismatches and play above the rim. He has outstanding athletic gifts for his body type with long-striding speed and the natural flexibility to make easy adjustments on the ball at each level of the field. Funchess’ routes and hands have shown some development, but are still inconsistent with too many balls hitting his hands and ending up on the ground. He has a soft-spoken, go-with-the-flow type of personality and needs to improve his reliability, polish and intensity for the next level. Funchess started his career as a “move” tight end before evolving full-time at wide receiver where he projects best in the NFL. He is a high risk/high reward type of talent who boasts first round tools and has potential to be a wide receiver No. 2 receiver in the NFL, but due to inconsistencies and underachieving traits, his value is in the third round.

[Joemailman]

Devin Funchess to Carolina. There goes another of my possible Packer picks.

[red]

falcons

49ers

chiefs

bills

texans

maybe bengals

cards

cowboys colts

those are the teams still looking for ILB's

[red]

Devin Funchess to Carolina. There goes another of my possible Packer picks.

let carolina give up that much for that dumb shit

[Rastak]

Announce the fucking picks please.....

[red]

which former oregon player is chip gonna give up the farm for in the second?

[red]

Announce the fucking picks please.....

this is horrible

[Rastak]

10. JALEN COLLINS | LSU 6014|203 lbs|4JR Olive Branch, Miss. (Olive Branch HS) 3/2/1993 (age 22) #32
GRADE 2nd-3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Collins was a late bloomer and his recruitment picked up steam as a senior, especially after he committed to LSU. He redshirted in 2011 and saw part-time duty as a redshirt freshman in 2012, tallying 30 tackles and two interceptions. Collins started his sophomore season as the starter, but after two games, he lost the job and came off the bench for the final 11 contents in 2013, finishing with 22 tackles and two passes defended. He again started his junior season as the starter opposite Tre’Davious White, but lost the starting gig after three games to Rashard Robinson and his reps came off the bench. But after injuries and suspensions to Robinson, Collins started the final four games in 2014 and played well down the stretch, recording a career-best 10 passes defended and 38 tackles. Collins elected to skip his final season in Baton Rouge to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Passes the eye test with an excellent blend of height, build and length…good speed for the position with the athleticism to stay hip-to-hip with receivers, using his hands to keep them uncomfortable…good chase skills in pursuit – caught Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon from behind in (Sept. 2014)…not sudden, but quick for his size with lower body twitch to smoothly redirect his momentum…has shown the ability to calm his feet and stay coordinated in press…not afraid to get physical and use his length, showing up in run support…nice job with his eyes in the backfield to come off his man and compete for the ball with raw awareness – 28 passes defended the last three seasons.


WEAKNESSES: Messy technique with a bad habit of oversetting and not paying attention to his lower or upper body mechanics…highly inconsistent instincts and routinely a step late with his timing…playing nose-to-nose, but not making contact in press, giving up slants and losing off the line of scrimmage…doesn’t show the alertness to adjust to receivers throughout the course of a game, losing his fundamentals and not showing much mental toughness…needs to better locate once the ball is in the air, allowing himself to get turned around often…not natural playing the ball with marginal ballskills – too many should-have-been interceptions off his hands…has some passive tendencies…misplays run angles and needs to improve his break down skills in space…had trouble holding on to a starting job the past three seasons at LSU despite given a number of opportunities – only 10 career starts…medicals need vetted after foot surgery (March 2015) prior to the LSU pro day.


SUMMARY: A toolsy prospect who looks the part with his size/speed combination, Collins was an off-and-on starter for the Tigers the past three seasons, struggling with inconsistency, but also mixing in a few positive splash plays. More smooth than explosive, he is a good-sized specimen with the speed and body control for the next level, but doesn’t play with discipline or technique, causing him to play with fire which leads to him getting burned. Although he has intriguing upside if he takes to NFL coaching and development, there are concerns whether or not Collins will reach that level of play due to his up-and-down game tape – a high risk/reward project, who will likely be drafted higher than he should.

[red]

falcons

49ers

chiefs

bills

texans

maybe bengals

cards

cowboys colts

those are the teams still looking for ILB's

one down

49ers

chiefs

bills

texans

maybe bengals

cards

cowboys

colts

[Joemailman]

Houston is next pick. Is this where Randy Gregory goes?

[Joemailman]

Bye Bye McKinney.

[pittstang5]

There goes one

[red]

ok, there goes the one i didn't want

but they jumped up ahaed of someone that needs an ILB

3 guys left, 7 teams

[Rastak]

6. BENARDRICK McKINNEY | Mississippi State 6041|246 lbs|4JR Tunica, Miss. (Rosa Fort HS) 11/19/1992 (age 22) #50
GRADE 3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star athlete and quarterback out of high school, McKinney played quarterback and linebacker as a prep player and dreamed of attending Mississippi State, jumping on the offer once it arrived during his senior year. He moved full-time to defense and redshirted in 2011. McKinney started the final 10 games at middle linebacker in 2012 and finished second on the team with 102 total tackles, earning All-SEC Freshman honors. He started all 13 games in 2013 as a sophomore and led the team in tackles (71), tackles for loss (7.0) and sacks (3.5). McKinney again started all 13 games in 2014 as a junior and again led the team in tackles (71), adding 8.0 tackles for loss and 3.0 sacks, earning First Team All-SEC and All-American honors. He bypassed his senior season to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Looks the part with meaty hips and a muscle-bound, long-limbed frame…added 40 pounds since high school, working his tail off in the work room…uses his length and hands to jar, engage and control the point of attack, not avoiding blockers…physical demeanor and prefers playing near the line of scrimmage where he can battle big bodies…flexible joints and natural bend as a rusher…long, decisive strides to eat up grass in a hurry with closing burst to track and attack…instinctive and breaks down the action well…assignment sound and unselfish in his responsibilities…strong wrists to be a reliable tackler when he breaks down properly…nonstop motor with a competitive drive always working overtime…conductor of the defense and embraces the leadership role, getting the defense set…works hard in the film room to learn offensive formations and tendencies…plays on special teams coverages…durable frame, starting the last 36 straight games in college…consistently productive the last three seasons.


WEAKNESSES: Plays tall and doesn’t consistently bend at his knees, struggling to protect his lower body and play with consistent pad level…tight-hipped with rigid redirection skills…not a sudden mover and struggles in the open field…lacks a natural feel for spacing in coverage and needs tight quarters to be effective…late to read and too easily fooled by eye candy, taking unnecessary steps and finding himself late to recover…needs to finish once he makes contact, playing wild and allowing his technique to break down, especially in a crowd…suspect ballskills, doesn’t finish interceptions when he gets his hands on the ball…questionable fit at the next level with some scheme limitations.


SUMMARY: A high school quarterback and star on the basketball team, McKinney quickly made the transition to inside linebacker at Mississippi State and was consistently productive in the SEC the last three seasons. He is an interesting size/speed athlete and moves well for his body type, but not an elite burst/agility player. Although he flashes smart diagnose skills, McKinney is late to recognize plays and lacks the range to make up for false steps, especially if given cover responsibilities – the further away from the line of scrimmage, the more he struggles. He has the physical nature and intangibles needed for the NFL, but his struggles in space and as a cover defender hurt his next level potential – skill-set projects him as an edge rusher (like Jonathan Newsome) or two-down thumper at inside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme (like Akeem Dent).

[Rastak]

ok, there goes the one i didn't want

but they jumped up ahaed of someone that needs an ILB

3 guys left, 7 teams


For the Vikings I like OG or ILB.


edit: Vikings pick is in - no trade.

[pittstang5]

Where's Wist? That was his guy

[wist43]

Where's Wist? That was his guy

I've given up on TT for this draft... when he determines to have a lousy draft - he goes all-in, lol...

Pretty sure we won't be drafting any ILB's...

[red]

Where's Wist? That was his guy

i'm not sure how its spelled, but i think its

Autoerotic Asphyxiation

[ptisme]

Vikings taking Kendricks

[pittstang5]

Saints having a good draft

[red]

FUUUUUCK

time to trade up teddy

[Rastak]

7. HAU’OLI KIKAHA | Washington 6023|253 lbs|5SR Hau’ula, Hawaii (Kahuku HS) 7/8/1992 (age 22) #8
GRADE 3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Kikaha was recruited by several Pac-12 schools, moving across the Pacific from the islands to Washington. He made an instant impact as a true freshman defensive end over seven starts, recording 8.0 tackles for loss and 3.0 sacks. He started the first four games of 2011 before a torn ACL in his left knee sidelined him for the rest of the season. Kikaha rehabbed and worked his way back onto the field in summer 2012, but tore the same ACL and missed the entire 2012 season. He returned healthy as a junior defensive end in 2013 and led the team with 15.5 tackles for loss and 13.0 sacks, earning Second Team All-Pac 12 honors. Kikaha moved to “BUCK” outside linebacker in 2014 and set several school records as a senior, including 25.0 tackles for loss and 19.0 sacks, and was a unanimous First Team All-American. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Explosive first step and arc speed to get around the edge with flexible body control and balance to flatten…stays low with natural dip, using his hands to slap away blockers’ jabs without slowing his momentum…tough to contain in space and rarely stops his feet, crossing the face of blockers and using his lower body quickness to work around bodies…fluid change of direction skills to make sharp 90-degree turns with the loose hips to turn and play in coverage – will drop and cover in short zones with natural ball awareness and proximity feel…strong wrists and arrives with aggressive angles and violent intentions, tuning up his target…nice job on the edges to hold the corner and close off the outside, tracking well to work off contact and pursue…plays assignment sound football with elite effort and competitiveness – fiery, pesky motor that simply doesn’t quit…experienced in a two and three-point stance at left and right defensive end, playing mostly the “4i” technique as an underclassman before moving to “BUCK” outside linebacker as a senior – also played on special teams coverages as a senior…highly productive and one of NCAA’s top pass rushers the last two seasons, leaving Washington with the school record for sacks (36.0).


WEAKNESSES: Solid build and muscle tone, but lacks ideal girth and body strength and can be pushed off his path at times by blockers – too easily slowed and needs space to be effective, lacking the length to live in a phone booth…doesn’t have the power to consistently shed once engaged and won’t overwhelm with his upper body strength…can be run at and controlled in the run game, too easily moved from his spot…moves well, but not a twitchy athlete…tends to get lazy with his tackling technique at times and needs to be a more consistent finisher – too many ankle biting tackle attempts, needs to better break down on the move…needs to improve his anticipation and instincts in coverage…strong durability concerns after tearing the ACL in his left knee twice (Sept. 2011, Aug. 2012).


SUMMARY: Washington’s all-time leading sack artist, Kikaha, who changed his last name from “Jamora” to “Kikaha” prior to his junior season, is one of the most accomplished and talented pass rushers in the 2015 draft class – past ACL tears do create long-term concerns. He does a great job winning the edge and closing down the pocket with arc speed and outstanding effort in pursuit, making plays most others don’t because of his pure hustle and competitive drive. Kikaha’s lack of functional strength shows against the run and he lacks a power element as a rusher, but he is terrific in space, finding ways to get to the quarterback. He was asked to cut it loose and attack the pocket every play at Washington and will face some growing pains in the NFL with added responsibilities, but he has the tools to be valuable and versatile rusher, best suited in a 3-4 scheme.

[pittstang5]

Bastards

[wist43]

Packers are reverting to their default defense - i.e. flag football... we don't have no stinking need for no stinking ILB!!!

We're going to draft another ballarina!!!

[red]

if 9ers take perryman we are fucked bigtime

[Rastak]

1. ERIC KENDRICKS | UCLA 6002|232 lbs|5SR Fresno, Calif. (Hoover HS) 2/29/1992 (age 23) #6
GRADE 1st-2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A three star linebacker recruit out of high school, Kendricks had offers from Fresno State and Nevada, but it didn’t take long for him to commit to UCLA once the Bruins offered him a scholarship. After redshirting in 2010, he earned more and more playing time as a redshirt freshman, starting the final three games in 2011 and recording 77 tackles. Kendricks started all 14 games in 2012 as a sophomore and led the Pac-12 in tackles (149), adding 6.0 tackles for loss, 2.0 sacks, two forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. He missed a few games in 2013 as a junior, but still finished with a team-high 106 tackles, adding 4.0 tackles for loss and 2.0 sacks, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Kendricks started all 13 games in 2014 and led the team with 149 tackles and 11.5 tackles for loss, adding 4.0 sacks and a career-high three interceptions. He was awarded the Lott Impact Trophy and became UCLA’s first winner of the Butkus Award, earning Second Team All-Pac 12 and multiple All-American honors. Kendricks accepted an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl, but pulled out due to injury.


STRENGTHS: Above average play speed with natural acceleration to cover every inch of the field…smooth footwork in his drops with the fluid lower body to stay low and unlock his hips…reads his keys with excellent reaction quickness and initial burst, staying patient, but trusting his eyes…terrific blend of competitiveness and smarts…sticks his nose in the fire with a motor that won’t quit until after the whistle, no exceptions – not a spectator…above average spatial awareness with a great feel for his surroundings to leverage the sideline or operate in space…form tackler and loads into the contact point, attacking through his target with all his momentum…breaks down well in the open field, staying low and finishing…sniffs out screens and undercuts routes to get his hands on the ball (16 career passes defended)…knack for being around the big play with five interceptions, four forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries and three defensive touchdowns in his career…understands situations and not often fooled…two-year team captain with a coachable attitude and attractive preparation habits – film junkie…leaves UCLA with the school record for tackles (481) and double-digit tackle performances in a season (11)…football bloodlines – father (Marv) led UCLA in rushing in 1970 and 1971 and older brother (Mychal) was drafted in the second round (46th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.


WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal size/strength dimensions and maxed out physically…lacks overpowering strength to bully or dispose of blockers, struggling to jolt at the point of attack…will get hung up in the trash with average take-on skills…will take wild angles at times and miss tackles on the move – can be a runaway train and doesn’t always properly control his nonstop motor…too hands on and grabby in coverage and will draw flags because of his hand fighting downfield…limited pass rush moves and needs work as an inexperienced blitzer…some durability concerns due to his size and ferocious playing style – ankle surgery (Dec. 2013) ended his junior season, also battled a shoulder sprain in 2013 and missed the 2015 Senior Bowl and was limited during pre-draft workouts due to a nagging hamstring issue.


SUMMARY: Although he lacks a “wow” skill-set, Kendricks is a magnet to the ball and consistently makes plays against both the pass and the run – the only FBS player with 100+ solo tackles in 2014. He lacks ideal size and power for the position and isn’t as explosive as his older brother Mychal, but he passes the athletic test with balance, burst and loose change of direction skills, covering the entire field with functional range. Kendricks has questionable take-on skills, struggling to stack-andshed, but he eats, drinks and breathes football, craving competition – has the leadership and effort intangibles that others gravitate towards. He has some limitations and needs to consistently control his play speed, but his read/react quickness and athleticism project him as a three-down WILL or MIKE linebacker who should start in the NFL for a long time if he stays healthy – borderline first round grade.

[ptisme]

49ers

chiefs

bills

texans

maybe bengals

cards

cowboys

colts

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm thinking the 49ers take Denzel Perryman.

[Rastak]

Love the pick!

[Joemailman]

49ers up. Could see another ILB go here.

[red]

I'm thinking the 49ers take Denzel Perryman.

yup

[red]

Love the pick!

go to hell

[ptisme]

I'm thinking the 49ers take Denzel Perryman.

Then we root for Dawson

[red]

our warroom looks asleep, they don't care

[Rastak]

go to hell


Teddy could have moved up.

[red]

Then we root for Dawson

and hope he doesn't spread the asshole gene to the rest of the team

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dodged a bullett

[red]

whew

move up ted

[pittstang5]

ok, we're ok

[Rastak]

4. JAQUISKI TARTT | Samford 6013|221 lbs|5SR Mobile, Ala. (Davidson HS) 2/18/1992 (age 23) #6
GRADE 4th Round


BACKGROUND: Tartt grew up playing football, but stopped in eighth grade to focus on basketball. He decided to play football his senior season in high school and drew interest from Mississippi State and several other college programs, but stuck with FCS-level Samford, his initial commitment. After redshirting in 2010 and serving as a reserve in 2011 as a redshirt freshman, Tartt earned a starting free safety job as a sophomore in 2012 and led the team in tackles (94), passes defended (14) and interceptions (four), earning First Team All-American and All-Conference honors. He again earned First Team All-SoCon honors in 2013 as a junior with a career-best 98 tackles and 10 passes defended and one interception, earning Second Team All-American honors. Tartt’s production dipped as a senior in 2014, finishing with 62 tackles, 3.0 tackles for loss, two passes defended and one interception, earning First Team All-SoCon honors for the third straight season. He was invited and competed at the 2015 Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS: Passes the eye test with long arms, big hands and carries a lot of weight for the position…smooth athleticism with adequate speed and movement skills to cover large areas…accelerates well to reach his top speed quickly…sees the action develop with natural football awareness and reflexes…assignment sound who limits mental mistakes, recognizing fakes – much of his read/react quickness comes from film preparation…not afraid of contact and attacks the line of scrimmage, striking his target low with pop when he has momentum and doesn’t slow himself at contact…improved understanding of field leverage…has experience covering the slot wide receiver in man coverage…durable and productive three-year starter in college with 277 total tackles, 26 passes defended and three defensive touchdowns – two-time FCS All-American…football is important to him and his coaches rave about his growth and development – reliable work ethic and coachable attitude.

WEAKNESSES: One speed athlete and doesn’t play with multiple gears or closing burst…smooth movements, but little twitch…his eyes pay rent in the backfield, allowing receivers behind him and struggling to anticipate in coverage…very inconsistent break down skills and struggles to collect himself in space with too many offbalance tackle attempts, lacking the hand strength or finishing power to get away with it…doesn’t consistently deliver punishment as a tackler and will bounce off ballcarriers…overaggressive pursuit angles and displays some wasted motion in his angles with a bad habit of hopping while he figures out his path…too reactionary in space and ballcarriers can juke around him…too easily controlled by blocks and lacks aggressiveness at the point of attack, playing high and flat-footed to be knocked off his feet – rarely see him make a play after working off blocks…gives a large cushion in man coverage, allowing easy underneath routes…lacks experience against top competition.


SUMMARY: Tartt played in the same secondary with 2014 first round picker Jimmie Ward during his one season of high school football and was a quick study at Samford, playing mostly two-deep as a free safety, single-high safety and nickel cornerback. He flashes natural recognition skills to quickly diagnose the action, but his anticipation and execution aren’t always consistent. He needs to clean up his tackling and take-on technique with clear break down concerns, especially in motion and space, as he is often caught off balance, causing him to struggle as a finisher. Tartt, who will be the fourth Samford defensive player drafted since 2006, shows too many inconsistencies to start as a rookie, but with his imposing size, smooth athleticism and football character, he has the upside to compete for a starting job by year two – early day three selection, but will likely be off the board in the top-100 picks.

[red]

you know, how the hell are teams suppose to trade up when they don't know whos left?

[red]

our third can get us into this range

[Rastak]

Runyon is huge.

[pittstang5]

our third can get us into this range

We'd have to give up our third? Not liking that.

[Rastak]

6. ERIC ROWE | Utah 6006|205 lbs|4SR Spring, Texas (Klein HS) 10/3/1992 (age 22) #18
GRADE 1st-2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star defensive back recruit out of high school, Nelson Eric Rowe received offers from Arizona, Texas A&M and Mississippi State before committing to Utah. He made an immediate impact as a true freshman and started all 13 games (10 FS, 3 SS), finishing with 69 tackles, 10 passes defended and one interception, earning Freshman All-American recognition. Rowe started 10 games at free safety in 2012 as a sophomore, recording 64 tackles, six passes defended and one interception, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. He started all 12 games in 2013 at free safety and finished with 69 tackles and seven passes defended. Rowe switched to cornerback as a senior and led the team with 14 passes defended, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. He accepted an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Tall, long frame with smooth-muscled definition…natural acceleration and top-end speed with fluid body control to easily flip his hips and stay in phase with receivers vertically – can cover every type of receiver with both long speed and explosive short-area burst…instinctive and diagnoses his keys quickly to process/react…anticipates route breaks, to jump throws and leverage the field…arrives at the catch point with a physical attitude to break up passes…good chase speed with make-up movements to catch ballcarriers from behind…always playing at full go with relentless fight – feisty to work off blocks…excellent edge blitzer, avoiding blocks and making stops in the backfield…stings ballcarriers in run support, closing, striking and wrapping low…versatile experience all over the secondary in man and zone coverages, playing three different positions over 45 career starts (33 free safety, 9 cornerback, 3 strong safety)…leaves Utah ranked third in school history in passes defended (37)…ideal intangibles with a coachable attitude, motivated work ethic and passion for football.


WEAKNESSES: Lanky frame and can be overpowered by receivers…unbalanced at the line of scrimmage with too many whiffs or weak jam attempts in press…plays nose-to-nose, but needs to calm his feet and improve his patience in press…has some hip and ankle tightness, rounding angles and creating wasted steps – not as comfortable moving laterally and will miss open-field stops…plays too upright and needs to improve his sink to better redirect his momentum…vision and eye level are all over the place with inconsistent discipline in zone and man…struggles to turn his head and locate in man coverage…streaky break down skills in motion and struggles if not squared up to his target, lacking ideal hand/wrist strength to finish tackles…aggressively attacks the ball, but lacks the hand/eye coordination to finish interceptions (37 passes defended, but only three interceptions in college)…some durability concerns, missing parts of the last three seasons, including two games in 2012 (hamstring) and one game in 2014.


SUMMARY: After three seasons as the Utes’ starting free safety, Rowe relished the opportunity to move outside and play cornerback as a senior, working hard over the off-season to make the adjustment. He played mostly press trail technique in 2014, displaying the size/speed combination to stay in phase all over the field, but he struggled to locate once his back was to the ball and is ideally suited in zone or off-man when he can use his read/react instincts and speed. Rowe needs to continue and refine his technique, but he showed enough this past season to stay outside at cornerback with the physical ingredients that will be attractive at the next level – top-40 talent who has a high NFL ceiling as he gets more comfortable at cornerback, but also has a high floor at free safety.

[pittstang5]

Damn - Fucking Eagles always take a player I like. kendricks a couple years ago, Mathews last year, now Rowe. They can go to hell!

[red]

wow, we now no why gregory is dropping

admited to failed drug tests

showed up 90 minutes late to team meeting with the saints

and didn't even show up for a meeting with the raiders

and failed a drug test at the combine

[ptisme]

wow, we now no why gregory is dropping

admited to failed drug tests

showed up 90 minutes late to team meeting with the saints

and didn't even show up for a meeting with the raiders

and failed a drug test at the combine
Ryan Leaf of the LB'ers....

[Rastak]

wow, we now no why gregory is dropping

admited to failed drug tests

showed up 90 minutes late to team meeting with the saints

and didn't even show up for a meeting with the raiders

and failed a drug test at the combine


He may have a screw loose or something.

[wist43]

I don't wanna trade up... if anything, would like to see a trade down.

[red]

he says in an interview that he just hasn't found that right fit yet.

LOL

[red]

He may have a screw loose or something.

thats what it sounded like yesterday when it came out that teams had serious concerns about his mental capabilities

[ptisme]

shit

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dawson is the man@!

[pittstang5]

And cue Red scream

[red]

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

fuck you ted

god fucking damnit

[Rastak]

3. DENZEL PERRYMAN | Miami (Fla.) 5106|236 lbs|4SR Coral Gables, Fla. (Coral Gables HS) 12/5/1992 (age 22) #52 2011: (12/5) 69/6.5/1.0/2/0 (MLB)
GRADE 2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star linebacker recruit out of high school, Perryman spurned offers from LSU, Florida and Florida State to stay home and commit to Miami (Fla.). He saw immediate action for the Hurricanes and finished second on the team with 69 tackles. Perryman missed four games due to injury in 2012 as a sophomore (six starts), but still finished second on the team in tackles (64), earning All-ACC Honorable Mention honors. He started every game in 2013 as a junior outside linebacker and led the team with 108 tackles, adding 5.0 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks, earning All-ACC First Team honors. Perryman again started all 13 games in 2014 as a senior middle linebacker and led the team with a personal-best 110 tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss and three forced fumbles, earning First Team AllACC and Second Team All-American honors. He accepted an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Sturdy and thickly-put-together with a compact, filled out frame…plays low, balanced and flexible with natural pad level…physical striker and delivers pop at contact, striking through his target with violence…strong hands and rarely misses tackles, forcing fumbles (seven career)…fills run lanes with authority and attacks blocks with excellent take-on strength – plays like a bull and doesn’t have a passive bone in his body…accurate reads and instinctive backfield vision, trusting what he sees and tracking well…patient mirror skills at the line of scrimmage with controlled movements and body control, rarely fooled by ball fakes…decisive and aggressive pursuit angles, shooting gaps and closing fast as a blitzer…motivated with natural leadership traits and an intense temperament…motor is always revving, never taking plays off – also played on special teams coverages…reliable and durable for his play style, not missing a game the last two seasons…led the team in tackles with back-to-back 100+ tackle seasons as a junior and season, leaving Miami (Fla.) ranked ninth all-time in career tackles (351) with 37 career starts, including experience inside and outside.


WEAKNESSES: Shorter than ideal, which shows up in coverage…doesn’t display ideal secondary quickness after shedding blocks, lacking sudden movements…easily engulfed by bigger blockers, getting hung up when he doesn’t properly use his length…tight movements in coverage, lacking an instinctive feel in the middle of the field…inconsistent cover awareness and uncomfortable the farther he gets from the line of scrimmage – untested dropping in man coverage…overanxious at times downhill and will lick his chops before finishing…always trying to rip the ball out, but will sacrifice the tackle at times because of it…limited pass rush repertoire as a blitzer…minor durability issue – missed three games due to a right ankle injury in 2012 and missed most of the Senior Bowl due to an abdominal sprain.


SUMMARY: A hammer looking for a nail, Perryman is short, but not small with a stocky frame and indestructible body type, going full-speed at practice and staying fresh for games – holds the school record at linebacker with a 605-pound squat. He is quick to key/read/react with above average vision to be a magnet to the ball and has no problem doing the dirty work, taking on blocks and making plays that won’t show up in the statsheet. Perryman sets the tempo on defense and special teams and tackles through his target with force, leading with his facemask and bringing his hips. His inconsistent cover skills in both man and zone could keep him from being an every-down linebacker in the NFL, but he’s a hunter on the field with high character behind the scenes – top-50 prospect.

[Carolina_Packer]

wow, we now no why gregory is dropping

admited to failed drug tests

showed up 90 minutes late to team meeting with the saints

and didn't even show up for a meeting with the raiders

and failed a drug test at the combine

Red, I heard he missed the flight to the Raiders, and when they finally spoke to him, the Raiders said never mind.

[ptisme]

"FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

fuck you ted

god fucking damnit"


Really Dude?

[wist43]

Don't want Dawson... think Ted will go OT here.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Maybe Wist is right and Ted doesn't pick an ILB?

[Carolina_Packer]

I don't wanna trade up... if anything, would like to see a trade down.

No panic! I like it.

[red]

Red, I heard he missed the flight to the Raiders, and when they finally spoke to him, the Raiders said never mind.

maybe so, but that came after he made the saints wait for 90 minutes

being late for a flight is just as bad as missing the meeting

[wist43]

He might go TE, but I don't think there are any TE's worthy of a 2nd round pick...

[red]

Maybe Wist is right and Ted doesn't pick an ILB?

then that will be the second year in a row that ted ignored a massive need

and if he can't understand how important that position is to our team, then get rid of his ass cause he's fucking clueless

[red]

trade the god damn pick for an ILB

[wist43]

Unless these guys start flying off the board...

TJ Clemmings, OT, Pitt
Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon
Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State

[ptisme]

The Kid from Minnesota?

[wist43]

They had Jesse James in for a visit... don't think he'd go in the 2nd though.

[Rastak]

3. MITCH MORSE | Missouri 6053|305 lbs|5SR Austin, Texas (St. Michael’s Academy) 4/21/1992 (age 23) #65
GRADE 4th Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Morse made up his mind as a junior that he wanted to attend Missouri, redshirting in 2010. After serving as a back-up in 2011, he started the first seven games at center before moving outside to right tackle in the final four contests. Morse started all 14 games at right tackle as a junior in 2013 and moved to the left side as a senior in 2014 (14 starts), replacing Justin Britt and earning Second Team All-SEC honors. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl, but was unable to accept due to injury.


STRENGTHS: Adequate height, frame and upper body strength – country strong…agile footwork and quickness off the snap, looking to engage and utilize angles with a coordinated lower body…quick eyes and active feet to mirror…confident pass-sets and comfortable operating in space – gets downfield and is effective at the second level…balanced and rarely see him on the ground on film…keeps his legs driving as a run blocker…quick-thinking blocker who maximizes his skill-set strengths…senior captain with natural leadership traits and the desired tenacious temperament…strong family man and mature beyond his years – accountability might be his greatest strength…tough and plays through injuries, missing only one game the past three seasons…started 39 games the past three seasons with starting experience at both tackle spots and center – also has snaps at guard under his belt.


WEAKNESSES: Lean lower body and doesn’t play with ideal base strength, causing him to play on his heels vs. bull rushers…shorter arms, allowing rushers to attack him before he’s able to land a punch…looks to engage quickly, but struggles to control the point of attack – weight room strength doesn’t always show on film…not a people mover in the ground game and needs to show more consistent bend with his lower body…bad habit of ducking his head at times and will struggle with moving targets…minor durability issues after breaking his left index finger (Nov. 2014), which required surgery, although he didn’t miss a game and played in a cast; missed one game as a sophomore with strained MCL in his left knee (Oct. 2012).


SUMMARY: Only a few offensive line prospects in this draft class have legitimate experience at all five offensive line spots, but Morse is one of them, starting at center before moving to right tackle and finishing with an All-Conference senior season at left tackle – didn’t start at guard, but saw snaps there during games and practice. He is patient, balanced and competitive with the high FBI (football intelligence) desired, but he needs to improve his anchor strength and lower body flexibility to better match up vs. NFL rushers. A consummate teammate who is willing to play any trench position, Morse is viewed as a tackle by some teams, a guard for others, but he should be able to compete for snaps at center during his rookie season in the NFL – early day three prospect.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Don't want Dawson... think Ted will go OT here.

Carl Davis is still available, as are Michael Bennett and PJ Williams, Quinten Rollins and Jordan Phillips.

[Rastak]

Glad Jim Kelly is still kickin.....

[red]

whoa, jim kellys daughter is fucking hot

[wist43]

Carl Davis is still available, as are Michael Bennett and PJ Williams, Quinten Rollins and Jordan Phillips.

Don't think TT will go defense here... so if he goes offense, it'll be OT or TE I would think.

[Rastak]

5. RONALD DARBY | Florida State 5105|193 lbs|3JR Oxon Hill, Md. (Potomac HS) 1/2/1994 (age 21) #3
GRADE 1st-2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Darby attracted scholarship offers from every major FBS powerhouse, committing to Florida State (to play football and run track) over Clemson, Maryland and Notre Dame (his original commitment). He didn’t start as a true freshman, but saw considerable playing time, mostly in nickel situations, and tied for second on the team with eight passes defended, earning ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. Although off-season surgery kept him from being 100%, Darby became a starter in 2013 as a sophomore and helped the Seminoles defense lead the nation in scoring (12.1 points per game), finishing with 14 tackles, six passes defended and a pair of interceptions. He started all 14 games in 2014 as a junior and recorded 43 tackles and four passes defended, earning Third Team All-ACC honors. Darby gave up his final season of college eligibility to enter the 2015 NFL Draft. He starred on the Seminoles track and field squad as well, winning the 100- and 200-meter dash state championships in high school.


STRENGTHS: Adequate height and frame for the position with some growth potential…instant acceleration and above average speed to run stride-for-stride with receivers vertically – great make-up speed…sudden feet and loose hips, displaying excellent body control and fluidity…stays low and balanced in his stance with quick feet, appearing comfortable in reverse with easy change of direction skills…beautiful plant-and-drive quickness with controlled footwork and above average reaction athleticism…reads routes well to digest, jump throws and stay on top of receivers, deterring quarterbacks from testing his side of the field – targeted once every 5.6 pass attempts in 2014…instinctive ballskills with strong belief in his abilities to survive on an island – assertive and confident…likes to get physical and play hands-on in coverage…willing run defender and knows how to leverage the field…can be blocked out of plays, but feisty and works hard to shed…alert and won’t take plays off – excellent effort in 2014 Florida game, racing down the field to throw a key block on an interception return.


WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal length and function strength for the position…can be out-muscled by bigger targets, losing body position downfield…too grabby downfield and can be an easy target for penalties with his hands-on approach…doesn’t consistently jam in press, but lacks the shock in his hands to make much of a difference when he does…room to improve his footwork and lower body technique at the line of scrimmage – needs to calm his feet with a bad habit of hopping and oversetting, especially against speedy receivers…will flip his hips the wrong way downfield and needs to get his head turned to find the ball – too content playing his man and not locating…needs to improve his timing when driving on the ball in off coverage – will play too fast and arrive early…room to clean up his tackling technique, hitting too high and lacking the core strength to get away with bad habits…some durability concerns after several nagging injuries the past three seasons, including hamstring, groin and arm issues – underwent surgery in Jan. 2013 for a sports hernia…maturity and off-field decision-making needs investigated after a disciplinary board ruled on charges he violated the school’s Code of Conduct, refusing to testify at the sexual misconduct hearing for Jameis Winston (his college roommate) – also was in the car with teammate P.J. Williams during an alleged hit-and-run incident (Oct. 2014)…unimpressive (albeit deceiving) college production with only two interceptions and average tackle numbers – doesn’t have experience as a return man.


SUMMARY: A member of the gold medal-winning USA medley relay team at the 2011 World Youth Championships in France, Darby can fly on the football field with above average acceleration and top-end speed that serves him well at the position. He has the natural reflexes, body fluidity and transitional quickness to play press and off-man, always staying within arm’s length with the receiver. Darby has the athleticism to blanket pass-catchers, but he often treats receivers like a coat rack, hanging on and holding too much. Although the mental toughness and antagonistic attitude are there, there are concerns about his physical toughness to hold up in run support with limited core strength, struggling against bigger receivers downfield as well. Darby doesn’t have the most impressive collegiate résumé, but that’s deceiving as quarterbacks often stayed away from his side of the field, limiting his chances to make plays. He isn’t without his flaws, especially in zone coverage, but Darby has the rare speed and cover skills that will serve him well at the next level – NFL starting skill-set.

[Joemailman]

Browns next. This could be Maxx Williams.

[wist43]

I liked Darby... he may be a bit undersized - but unlike Randall, he's a hitter and plays bigger than his size.

Randall plays like a pussy - which is why he caught the eye of the Packers.

[Rastak]

8. NATE ORCHARD | Utah 6032|250 lbs|4SR Salt Lake City, Utah (Highland HS) 1/5/1993 (age 22) #8
GRADE 3rd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Nathaniel “Nate” Orchard (full name is Napaa Lilo Fakahafua Orchard) committed to Utah early in the process and moved full-time to defense in 2011 as a true freshman reserve. He became the starting left defensive end in 2012 as a sophomore and finished among the team leaders in tackles for loss (9.5), sacks (3.0) and forced fumbles (3), earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Orchard started 12 games at left defensive end in 2013 as a junior, recording 9.0 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks, but had his best season in 2014 as a senior right defensive end and linebacker. He finished second in the FBS in sacks (18.5), first on the team in tackles for loss (21.0) and second in total tackles (84), earning First Team All-America and All-Pac 12 honors and winning the Ted Hendricks and Morris Awards. He went by Nate Fakahafua his first two seasons at Utah before taking his guardians’ last name in 2013 (raised by guardian parents, but still has a relationship with his birth mother). Orchard earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Quick first step with long strides to accelerate well, routinely the first Utah lineman off the ball…natural bend around the edge with closing burst to finish with purpose…high effort player and doesn’t give up on plays – excellent pursuit from snap-to-snap…subtle rush movements to set up moves, finding ways to get to the quarterback…active and rangy for the position…always alert with proper diagnose skills to read and react with timing and trust in what he sees…good awareness vs. the run and tougher than he looks – does his best to play the power brand of football needed to stop the run…improved hand use as a senior to work off blocks, keeping himself clean with good arm length for the position…works his tail off and highly competitive, giving consistent effort each snap and through the whistle – wants to be the best and expects a lot out of himself…defensive leader with excellent physical and mental toughness – wears the “C” proudly on his jersey…experienced at left and right defensive end and as the “STUD” linebacker, lining up in both two and three point stances…mature lifestyle with a wife (Maegan) and infant daughter (Katherine Mae)…highly productive senior season, setting a school record with 18.5 sacks…leaves Utah tied for third in school history in career sacks (25.0), second in career tackles for loss (38.5) and tied for second in career forced fumbles (8).


WEAKNESSES: Leaner-than-ideal frame and lacks muscle definition wanted at the position…upper and lower body strength need developed to better hold his ground, often losing balance once blockers initiate contact…struggles to generate power at the point of attack and needs to better convert his speed into strength – lacks the natural momentum to bull rush or get blockers going in reverse…needs to load more ammo into his hands to better punch at the contact point – reads the run well, but lacks the consistent power to make stops…average athletically with ordinary redirection skills and functional burst…will struggle to collect himself and break down in space at times, even with a clear path to the quarterback…has some experience dropping into coverage, but doesn’t look comfortable – wild footwork and his spatial awareness needs refined the farther he gets from the ball…past left shoulder issues, minor durability concerns.


SUMMARY: Orchard arrived at Utah as a wide receiver named Fakahafua and leaves as one of the school’s most decorated defensive players with the name of Orchard after taking the last name of his guardian parents. He was highly active in the Utes defense, lining up on both sides of the line and playing in space, although he’s very green dropping into coverage and works best getting upfield. Orchard has natural flexibility to bend the edge and finds ways to slip blocks, but struggles to get much of a push, lacking a clear power element to his game to force the issue or overwhelm blockers. He might be ideally suited as a “wide-nine” defensive end at the next level with his hand-on-the-ground, but can also stand up in a 3-4 scheme – solid third round prospect.

[pittstang5]

Eli Harold? Thoughts?

[Joemailman]

I liked Darby... he may be a bit undersized - but unlike Randall, he's a hitter and plays bigger than his size.

Randall plays like a pussy - which is why he caught the eye of the Packers.

Why don't you go cheer for the Browns then? They're fucking awesome.

[Rastak]

5. JORDAN PHILLIPS | Oklahoma 6052|329 lbs|4SO Towanda, Kan. (Circle HS) 9/21/1992 (age 22) #80
GRADE 2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A four-star defensive tackle recruit out of high school, Phillips committed to Oklahoma over offers from Auburn, Nebraska and UCLA, redshirting in 2011. He saw limited snaps as a back-up in 2012 as a redshirt freshman, recording 12 tackles. Phillips started the first four games of 2013 as a sophomore before an injury ended his season and finished with seven tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks, receiving a medical hardship waiver from the NCAA. He returned healthy and started all 13 games as a sophomore in 2014, recording 39 tackles, 7.0 tackles for loss and 2.0 sacks, earning Second Team All-Big 12 honors. Phillips decided to bypass his senior season to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Physically impressive with broad shoulders, girthy frame and tree branches for arms…heavy-handed with the upper body power to move blockers, extending his limbs and bullying bodies into the pocket…carries his weight well laterally with natural body control to work up and down the line of scrimmage…fluid in space for his size, changing directions and giving chase…good snap anticipation and initial movements off the ball to beat blockers to gaps…strong vines for arms to cage ballcarriers in the middle of the line with the hand strength to finish tackles…uses his hands to rip-and-disengage…roots himself in the trenches and not an easy player to move from his spot…can handle multiple blockers and is no stranger to double-teams…versatile experience and has a scheme-diverse skill-set…tough and plays through pain.


WEAKNESSES: Upright player and plays tall, making leverage a constant issue that will be tough to fix, struggling to sink and play with consistent knee bend…weight needs to be controlled with room to replace some bad pounds with bulk – sloppy midsection…not a technically sound player with an inconsistent plan…doesn’t play with gap integrity and focuses more on making stops than executing assignments…leaner and looks to cut corners…too content being blocked at times and loses sight of the ball…wears himself out and doesn’t show consistent fire in his belly from snap-to-snap – relentless hustler one snap and then a spectator the next few plays…below average career production with only 9.0 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks over 17 starts…worrisome durability concerns after missing most of the 2013 season because of back surgery (Oct. 2013) to repair chronic issues.


SUMMARY: The rare fourth-year sophomore to declare early for the NFL, Phillips also has a rare skill-set with impressive movement skills for a player of his size and strength, showing rangy athleticism and brute power to be a dominant presence. Although he was asked primarily to one-gap in the Sooners multiple front, he does have experience two-gapping and is scheme versatile for the next level. Phillips has a natural anchor to attract-and-handle double-teams, but he’s not a player who loves doing the dirty work and needs to improve his discipline. Despite starting all 13 games in 2014, his long-term back durability is a strong concern and could keep him from reaching his full potential at the next level. Phillips has the NFL upside to be an impact player if the splash plays turn into consistency, but the effort and injury concerns makes him a high risk/reward prospect.

[wist43]

Eli Harold? Thoughts?

Don't like Harold at all... very high cut guy - he'll be limited on the next level.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Butkus....I've had enough

[wist43]

Miami just got much tougher this offseason...

Apparently they didn't get the memo - that this is a flag football league ;)

[pbmax]

How soon til the world ends?

[Rastak]

Butkus....I've had enough


I can't get enough.....what football is all about.

[red]

How soon til the world ends?

very soon

[Rastak]

very soon


True dat.

[King Friday]

Ah...Jordan Phillips...Cletidus Hunt 2.0

[Rastak]

Cold cuts BABY!

[King Friday]

Miami just got much tougher this offseason...

You think a guy who takes 50% of his plays off is tough?

[wist43]

very soon

Go thru your draft books and try to find the softest players you can... that's the pool TT picks from :)

[red]

get some cold cuts, get some cold cuts

[Rastak]

6. JAKE FISHER | Oregon 6061|306 lbs|4SR Traverse City, Mich. (Traverse City West HS) 8/16/1993 (age 21) #75
GRADE 1st-2nd Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star offensive line recruit out of high school, Fisher verbally committed to Michigan early in the process, but de-committed after Rich Rodriguez was let go and signed with Oregon. After serving as a back-up guard as a true freshman, he moved outside to right tackle where he started 11 games in 2012 as a sophomore, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Fisher started 11 games at right tackle again in 2013 as a junior, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors for the second straight year. He moved to left tackle as a senior and started 13 games, earning First Team All-Pac 12 and some All-American votes. He had to decline his invite to the 2015 Senior Bowl because of injury.


STRENGTHS: Tall with adequate bulk and arm length…sets up quickly off the snap and gets into position, showing light feet and easy shuffle – above average athleticism for the position…natural lateral movements to get out in space and control defenders with his momentum…utilizes angles well, turning defenders to seal inside run lanes…will open his chest at times and give up yards initially at contact, but quickly catches himself, re-anchors and recovers…physical hands with the punch to jolt, extending and using his length to create space between him and defenders…mobile to get to the second level…consistently mean, competitive and chippy – mature individual, but flips the switch on the field and plays on edge…veteran presence with an overachieving attitude – his impact was obvious when injured and not in the line-up…three-year starter with 35 career starts split between left tackle (13 starts) and right tackle (22 starts).


WEAKNESSES: Average functional strength and has room to cultivate his core power…bad habit of allowing his shoulders to rise and not bending at his knees…overeager blocking appetite, lunging to meet defenders, forcing him to fall off-balance due to impatience – ends up on the ground too much…too many instances of late, lackadaisical hands, failing to keep his elbows inside…hand placement needs refined to better sustain, often landing on the outside of his target, leading to holding penalties…tends to overrun his pulling target with suspect spatial awareness, struggling to break down in space…dinged up résumé, missing playing time each of the last three seasons due to injury, including a left knee sprain (Sept. 2014) that sidelined him for two games and plagued him throughout his senior season.


SUMMARY: A high school tight end, Fisher moved to the offensive line at Oregon and quickly moved up the depth chart, starting 35 games the last three seasons. He moves well for the position both laterally and downfield, operating in space with the hungry competitive nature needed to match-up with NFL rushers. Fisher needs to stay balanced through contact and consistently sink his hips to play with consistent pad level and although he lacks the power to be a bully in the run game, he understands body angles to seal run lanes – ideal fit in a zone scheme. Fisher isn’t a flawless prospect, but shows similar traits as Indianapolis Colts offensive tackle Anthony Castonzo, projecting as a top-40 prospect, possible first round pick and future starter.

[ptisme]

Eli Harold? Thoughts?

I was just thinking that myself....

[wist43]

You think a guy who takes 50% of his plays off is tough?

Signed Suh... Philips will be a rotational guy.

Some teams care about stopping the run - not Green Bay, but some teams do.

[red]

bet arizona just moved up for dawson

[mraynrand]

How soon til the world ends?

When Simon Pegg and Rosamund Pike get together?

[wist43]

Fisher is gone... so down to TJ Clemmings or Ty Sambrailo...

If not those guys, a TE or WR

[red]

whoops, arizona just dropped back

[red]

When Simon Pegg and Rosamund Pike get together?

is that the fat guys name?

[pbmax]

When Simon Pegg and Rosamund Pike get together?

I know Simon, not clear on Rosamund. I take it that's bad though.

[Rastak]

5. AMEER ABDULLAH | Nebraska 5086|205 lbs|4SR Homewood, Ala. (Homewood HS) 6/13/1993 (age 21) #8
GRADE 2nd-3rd Round

BACKGROUND: A three-star athlete recruit out of high school, Abdullah received offers from USC and other prominent programs, including Auburn, his dream school. But those programs wanted him at cornerback, which attracted him to Nebraska who promised to give him a chance at running back, the position he wanted to play. With Rex Burkhead entrenched as the Huskers’ starter in 2011, Abdullah was a true freshman reserve and tallied only 150 yards rushing, but made an impact as the lead return man on kickoffs. Burkhead battled injuries in 2012, allowing Abdullah to see more playing time and lead the team in rushing as a sophomore with 1,137 yards. He took over as the full-time starter in 2013 and set a career-best with 1,690 rushing yards, including 100+ yards rushing in 11 of 13 games, adding a careerhigh 26 receptions and 11 total touchdowns, earning First Team All-Big Ten honors. Abdullah became the second player in school history to eclipse the 1,500-yard rushing mark twice, finishing his senior season with 1,611 yards and a career-best 22 touchdowns (19 rushing, 3 receiving). He earned Second Team All-American and All-Big Ten honors and was a finalist for the Doak Walker Award. Abdullah earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Exciting athlete in space with rare start/stop burst, controlling his momentum and shifting his weight well to make sharp, fluid cuts…flexible ankles to stay low and accelerate quickly as if his feet are on fire – quick thinking runner with natural instincts to make proper reads without slowing down…good vision and sense of his surroundings, making him tough to square up and always appearing two steps ahead…attacks creases and lowers his pads to finish with natural balance, body control and low center of gravity to finish…possesses a compact build and forward lean that gives him deceiving pop at the point of attack to ram defenders, always running decisive and hard – never concedes yards and fights for every inch…tougher than he looks and enjoys finishing…above average receiving traits for the position with soft hands and experience running routes, making terrific adjustments on the ball – has some snaps lining up in the slot…gives up his body in pass protection…workhorse mentality and doesn’t quit, toughing out injuries – played in every game of his career, including through a knee sprain in 2013 and 2014…has special teams experience as a return man on both punts (31/316/10.2/1) and kickoffs (61/1,592/26.1/1)…two-year team captain and two-time Academic All-Big Ten…first class individual with elite character and intelligence…needs a trophy room to house all his accolades for both football and off-the-field excellence…second in Big Ten history in all-purpose yardage (7,186) and just one of 11 players in FBS history to surpass 7,000 all-purpose yards…first player in Nebraska history with 1,000+ rushing yards in three straight seasons, leaving Lincoln with the second-most rushing yards (4,588) in Huskers history.


WEAKNESSES: Leaner than ideal and lacks an ideal body type for the position – limited upper and lower body growth potential…too easily slowed by arm tackles and lacks the power to drag tacklers – won’t do much after initial contact between the tackles…questionable endurance and will wear down in the second half…didn’t miss a start the last two seasons, but his limited build leads to durability concerns at the next level…will out-juke himself and make too many moves at times…room to clean up his routes as a pass-catcher…willing, but needs to improve his awareness and base strength in pass protection – too often uprooted and tossed aside, struggling to mirror with short arms…ball security is a strong concern (25 career fumbles, including five in 2014) – highest fumble rate in this class (35.4), fumbling once every 35.4 offensive touches.


SUMMARY: Most schools wanted him at defensive back during the high school recruiting process, but Abdullah was determined to play running back and Nebraska stayed firm on their commitment to keep him in the backfield and it paid off – fell just 192 yards shy of Mike Rozier’s school rushing record. He is the ninth of nine kids in his family and comes from a structured environment with above average character, both on and off the field. Abdullah is an extremely smart runner and processes the action very well in motion, setting up his moves like a chess player, always two moves ahead – his upper body, lower body and eye level always appear on the same page. His lack of size creates long-term durability concerns, but few run harder and more energetic at this size – extremely balanced, tough and determined to churn out as many yards as possible. Abdullah has been exposed in pass protection on several game tapes and enters the NFL with ball security questions as well, two areas that need addressed before a team will give him significant snaps. He won’t be a bell-cow type of runner in the NFL, but will make an impact as a rusher, receiver and return man – borderline top-60 pick who can play a versatile Shane Vereen-like role at the next level.

[red]

come on ted, use your 4th to get ahead of zona

[pbmax]

is that the fat guys name?

Ginger who played Scotty and the Metropolitan Police Constable in Hot Fuzz.

[wist43]

When Simon Pegg and Rosamund Pike get together?

Hey, that was a pretty good movie, lol...

[red]

yeah, lets send it to get LT's take. i love it when black guys yell at me

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago
Baltimore traded its second and fifth-round picks to Arizona to move up in second round. Baltimore wants another offensive weapon.

[smuggler]

Cards gonna take Dawson here. :^(

[red]

Ginger who played Scotty and the Metropolitan Police Constable in Hot Fuzz.

i know who pegg is, i thought the other name might be the fat guy in all his movies. turns out its a hot chick

[mraynrand]

Ah...Jordan Phillips...Cletidus Hunt 2.0

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb449/route25/cleedeeus.jpghttp://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb449/route25/cleedeeus.jpg

[Rastak]

1. MAXX WILLIAMS | Minnesota 6037|249 lbs|3SO Waconia, Minn. (Waconia HS) 4/12/1994 (age 21) #88
GRADE 1st-2nd Round

BACKGROUND: A three-star tight end recruit out of high school, Williams received some attention from other Big Ten schools, but committed to Minnesota (his father’s alma mater) a week after he received the offer his junior year in high school. He redshirted for the Gophers in 2012 and saw immediate playing time as a redshirt freshman in 2013, leading the team with 417 yards receiving over seven starts. Williams boosted his production as a sophomore with a team-best 36 receptions for 569 yards and eight touchdowns, earning First Team All-Big Ten and Second Team All-American honors. In a weak class of tight end prospects, Williams decided to forego his final two seasons in Minneapolis to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


STRENGTHS: Looks the part with an excellent frame and workable build…terrific athleticism with fluidity for the position to shift his weight well in his breaks – flexible with quick reflexes to find the ball…smooth route acceleration off the line of scrimmage to stress the seam and gain a step on defenders – strong, decisive strides…dangerous after the catch with springs in his lower body to leap and hurdle defenders…large, soft hands and focus to make natural adjustments on the ball without slowing his momentum, extending and snaring grabs in traffic…has the ballskills and catching radius to make acrobatic catches with conviction and sideline awareness…physical ballcarrier and lowers his pads to surge forward for positive yardage…natural body control to engage defenders as a blocker, sustaining and generating momentum on the move…possesses the point of attack toughness and needed temperament to survive as an inline blocker…unpolished at the top of his routes, but much improved in this area, showing a nice head dip and body shake to create room to work…competitive natured with determined work ethic and a good head on his shoulders – Academic All-American…extensive athletic bloodlines – his father (Brian) lettered at Minnesota at center (1986-88) and was a first round pick (18th overall) in the 1989 NFL Draft, playing 11 seasons for the New York Giants – his grandfather (Robert) played quarterback at Notre Dame and was selected in the 1959 NFL Draft – his mother (Rochelle) starred in volleyball at Minnesota and received the Big Ten Medal of Honor in 1988.


WEAKNESSES: Lacks explosive traits and needs a few steps to get going…has some body tightness and not a twitchy mover, needing to better sink his hips in his breaks to create separation…average-at-best route runner at this point in his development with predictable moves, rounding and easily forecasting his patterns – still learning the nuances of the position to set up his movements…room to get stronger and needs to show the same grit as a blocker from snap-to-snap…inconsistent angles and body positioning, not always feeling the hole…will get hung up in the trash when lined up inline, needs to improve his hand technique vs. the jam.


SUMMARY: A prospect just scratching the surface of his potential, Williams owns the all-around skill-set that fits all 32 NFL teams with the ability to line up inline, in the backfield or as a flex option out wide. Although not yet a detailed route runner, he accelerates well with soft hands and a great feel for throws away from his body, making a number of “wow” catches (and runs) on his college film. Williams lacks elite speed to easily separate and needs seasoning, but he has NFL pedigree and projects as a mismatch nightmare with the versatile traits to be equally effective as a pass-catcher and blocker – blossoming star in the Jason Witten mold and one of the top-30 players in the 2015 draft class (if drafted first round, it would mark the third time in NFL Draft history that a father-son duo from the same school would be drafted in the opening round).

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i know who pegg is, i thought the other name might be the fat guy in all his movies. turns out its a hot chick

That's Nick Frost

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That's Nick Frost

gotcha

[Maxie the Taxi]

How many commercials between picks in the 3rd round? This is reallllllllllyyyyyyyy draggin.

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ILB Targets 2nd Round

1. Kendricks - off
2. McKinney- off
3. Perryman- off
4. Dawson

Obstacles
1. Giants - nope
2. Falcons - nope
3. Vikings - Kendricks
4. 49ers - nope
5. Bills - nope
6. Texans - McKinney
7. Cardinals

Chargers caused trouble - Perryman

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come on, i'm sure our pick is already in

[Rastak]

How many commercials between picks in the 3rd round? This is reallllllllllyyyyyyyy draggin.


On purpose, there is plenty of picks in.

[mraynrand]

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I am guessing Ted's board isn't quite as limited.

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 2m2 minutes ago
A few players still available: DL/LB Owa Odighizuwa, ILB Paul Dawson, TE's Clive Walford and Maxx Williams, QB Bryce Petty.

[Rastak]

come on, i'm sure our pick is already in


Yea, likely your 3rd round pick.

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Cards is in. Denver on clock

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arizona pick already in, there goes our trade up spot

ANNOUNCE THE FUCKING PICK

JESUS FUCK

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Jersey Al - ALLGBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 2m2 minutes ago
Was told Packers are fans... RT @AaronNagler: Odighizuwa still out there…

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COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jersey Al - ALLGBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 2m2 minutes ago
Was told Packers are fans... RT @AaronNagler: Odighizuwa still out there…

oh fuck off, i'm not pronouncing or spelling that fucking name

[Rastak]

13. SENQUEZ GOLSON | Mississippi 5085|176 lbs|4SR Pascagoula, Miss. (Pascagoula HS) 7/7/1993 (age 21) #21
GRADE 3rd Round 2012

BACKGROUND: A three-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Golson came close to inking a Major League Baseball deal, but decided to go to school, picking Ole Miss over Alabama, mostly because the in-state Rebels allowed him to play both sports. He was pushed into action as a true freshman due to injuries and was again a part-time starter as a sophomore in 2012. Golson started 10 games in 2013 as a junior, recording 41 tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, five passes defended and two interceptions. He had his best season as a senior field cornerback, leading the SEC in interceptions (10) and passes defended (18), adding 43 tackles and 3.0 tackles for loss. Golson earned First Team All-SEC honors and some All-American nods for his 2014 campaign. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Quick footwork, smooth hips and pedal to get vertical in a hurry…explosive click-and-close ability to burst and drive on the ball…very good timing and read/react quickness to bait-and-jump with above average ballskills – makes acrobatic interceptions look easy…plays with elite confidence to make correct reads and pluck…highly competitive and aggressive at the catch point…nice job working around targets to make plays on the ball, but not making contact…quick-thinker with improved recognition skills and eye use to analyze the action in a flash…impressive physique for a smaller framed body and throws his body around in run support…physical striker with closing burst as a tackler with strong hands to finish in space, breaking down well on the move…highly productive with 31 passes defended and 16 interceptions in his career, finishing second in the FBS with 10 interceptions in 2014.


WEAKNESSES: Undersized with below average height and arm length – obvious mismatch that offenses will exploit when matched up one-on-one with bigger targets…gets himself in trouble when he turns his hips too early…has made substantial strides with his technique, but still relies on natural athleticism over mechanics at the position…inexperienced in press, struggling with technique issues when jamming…bad habit of freelancing in zone coverage, vacating his responsibilities that will result in negative plays…limited tackling radius shows in space and his short arms stand out on tackle attempts…has been accused in the past of not having the dedication needed to hone his craft…was arrested for a minor incident (June 2014) and was charged with disorderly conduct…calls baseball his “first love” and has always vowed to return to the game.


SUMMARY: Although his career was best known for being juked out by Trent Richardson as a freshman, Golson changed all that with an All-American type of senior season, leading the SEC in interceptions as the ball seemed to find him each game. He was selected in the eighth round (262nd overall) of the 2011 MLB Draft by the Boston Red Sox as a center fielder out of high school, turning down a $1.4 million contract, giving up collegiate baseball after his freshman season. But he continues to practice on the diamond and might not be ready to give up the sport. On the football field, Golson is a natural athlete who relies on his God-given skills, but needs to stay motivated to cultivating his technique in order to survive at the next level – highly aggressive player, which is a blessing and a curse. He has a natural feel for the position with top-notch ballskills, but his lack of size shows up quite a bit, projecting him best inside as a nickel cornerback in the NFL.

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Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF 3m3 minutes ago
New Steelers CB Senquez Golson allowed a QB Rating of 44.9 on throws into his coverage, 5th best in this class.

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always funny when black guys wear cowboy hats

i saw a chinaman dressed like a mexican cowboy the other day at taco bell, that was good for a laugh

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Howard Balzer ‏@HBalzer721 3m3 minutes ago
Hearing Rams pick will be T Rob Havenstein. Some say he will be an NFL guard.

[Bretsky]

always funny when black guys wear cowboy hats

i saw a chinaman dressed like a mexican cowboy the other day at taco bell, that was good for a laugh


Hey Assholes....who are we hoping for ?

Just go in

I hate San Diego and Baltimore; would have been enthused with their guys

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Found a tipster

Dov Kleiman
@NFL_RealUpdates

[Rastak]

10. ROB HAVENSTEIN | Wisconsin 6073|321 lbs|5SR Mount Airy, Md. (Linganore HS) 5/13/1992 (age 22) #78
GRADE 3rd-4th Round


BACKGROUND: A three-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Robert “Rob” Havenstein considered offers from Maryland, Wake Forest and others before deciding to enroll at Wisconsin, redshirting in 2010. He served as a back-up redshirt freshman in 2011, earning his first start at right tackle. Havenstein became the full-time starter at right tackle as a sophomore in 2012, starting all 14 games. He started all 13 games at right tackle in 2012, earning Second Team All-Big Ten honors. Havenstein again started every game as a senior in 2014, earning First Team All-Big Ten and numerous All-American honors. He accepted his invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Mammoth frame with wide shoulders and thickness throughout…uses angles well with strong hands/wrists to turn his man and wall off run lanes, especially to the outside, allowing the run game to run off tackle – can seal inside and outside…bullies defenders with his upper body strength, using a physical punch to jolt and stonewall rushers off the edge – times his punch to strike when rushers start to reach…squares and shuffles well in tight spaces with better quickness than expected for his size…intense finisher who looks to dominate and eliminate his man…functional length to engage and drive defenders into the parking lot…worked hard in the weight room to reshape his body, losing 50+ pounds since arriving in Madison…mature, motivated individual and takes well to coaching…athletic bloodlines – twin brother (Jeff) played Division-I basketball at Longwood University (Va.)…had some snaps at left tackle with an outstanding starting résumé, including 41 straight starts and a school-record 54 games played.


WEAKNESSES: Not the most athletic and lacks ideal lateral range for the position…top-heavy and needs to maintain a manageable weight…heavy feet with too much sand in his pants, lumbering in his kickslide with tight footwork…lacks ideal knee flexibility and too much of a waist bender…leverage will always be an issue for him – not the type of blocker who will consistently sink and sit in his stance…can get to the second level, but fails to redirect and adjust to moving targets…has focused so much on losing weight, but needs to fully develop his upper and lower body strength – only 16 bench press reps is inexcusable for the position…minor durability concerns, missing spring practice in 2012 following shoulder surgery.


SUMMARY: Wisconsin has a long history of producing offensive linemen to the NFL, including seven draft picks at the position the last four years, and Havenstein is the latest product off the Badgers’ conveyor belt. He is a heavy mover and lacks ideal athleticism and range for the position, which will force him inside to right guard for some teams. Havenstein can move just enough to pass protect in small areas, but his ability as a run blocker is what will keep him earning checks in the NFL. He’s a people mover and also excels with angles to latch-and-control, shielding defenders from run lanes, something Montee Ball, James White and Melvin Gordon took full advantage of the last three seasons. Havenstein probably isn’t for everyone, but projects as a borderline top-100 draft choice and starting right tackle for a power-run scheme.

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i wonder is gregory isn't gonna sign a contract and re-apply for next years draft because of that missed flight?

[wist43]

I am guessing Ted's board isn't quite as limited.

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 2m2 minutes ago
A few players still available: DL/LB Owa Odighizuwa, ILB Paul Dawson, TE's Clive Walford and Maxx Williams, QB Bryce Petty.

I was thinking about Odighizuwa, but I like Mauldin more... really, really don't want Dawson.

Walford is a maybe

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Hey Assholes....who are we hoping for ?

Just go in

I hate San Diego and Baltimore; would have been enthused with their guys

paul dawson is the last ILB worth a shit in the draft

[Rastak]

Found a tipster

Dov Kleiman
@NFL_RealUpdates


Almost makes it harder as it's not official......I wish they'd just announce the fucking things as they come in like they did years ago.

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here we go