The OFFICIAL Packers-Panthers Game Thread

[ThunderDan]

That was interesting. Need D to step up again.

[red]

OMG!!!!!

[pbmax]

ANKLE BITER!

[channtheman]

1!!!!!YEHAHAF:S≤mks/klasvd,b.galkeg

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Well, this is getting interesting....

[channtheman]

That's a pick, STFU announcer.

[King Friday]

That is why Cam Newton will never be an elite QB.

[red]

thats gonna be close, the guy swatting at the ball might have made it move

[pbmax]

Ah, I think its coming back.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, people complain about MM not having a sack and running up 8 late in a game. Rivera trying to give the game away.

[red]

That is why Cam Newton will never be an elite QB.

he has 300 yards and 3 tds against us today

[King Friday]

Now I know how Seattle felt last year in the NFCC game.

[Packgator]

So close.

[channtheman]

The hands are on the ball all the way. The ball is not juggling. It's moving with his hands. Gotta keep it the same.

[King Friday]

He had control with 2 feet down BEFORE it was hit. That should be an INT.

[red]

Wow, people complain about MM not having a sack and running up 8 late in a game. Rivera trying to give the game away.

and throwing a long pass to the flat to top it all off

[pbmax]

Does the swat of the ball reset the catch parameter? He kept control throughout the swat.

[red]

if this isn't incomplete, then i give up on football cause the catch rule is just too fucking stupid

i quit

unreal, wtf

[pbmax]

YES YES YEs!!

I love screwups in Packers favor.

[channtheman]

The hands are on the ball all the way. The ball is not juggling. It's moving with his hands. Gotta keep it the same.

The ball was moving with his hands, not independently of them or bobbling around as if in a basket.

[ThunderDan]

Seriously that young guy is screaming at an older Packer fan in the stands.

[King Friday]

he has 300 yards and 3 tds against us today

but he's a fuck up when the game is on the line.

[red]

snap the fucking ball lindsay and give us a free play

[Maxie the Taxi]

Does Stubby know we can't play for a FG?

[ThunderDan]

A screen might work again.

[King Friday]

Why are we running the ball?

We may need 2 scores.

[channtheman]

Does Stubby know we can't play for a FG?

I was just about to post that we can actually kick a field goal, as inconceivable as it sounds, haha.

[red]

then sitton kicks a-rod in the head when he's down

sums up our o-line

playclock TO #2

might want that one later

[channtheman]

Unbelievable. Rodgers you are one stupid slow dumb piece of crap. 2 wasted TO this half.

[ThunderDan]

Better to take the TO then fuck up with a quick snap.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Another stupid TO! How the hell?

[Harlan Huckleby]

they should be in hurry up. they could miss the 2 pt

[channtheman]

Better to take the TO then fuck up with a quick snap.

I think it'd be better to get to the line and snap the ball. We waste too much time standing around. Adams drops the TD.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Rodgers was open behind Adams.

[red]

theres a nice throw to a completely covered guy, nothing wrong with that

[King Friday]

Ehhh, it's slightly different as it is 4th down and you literally have to throw it.

So did Favre...he was facing an all out blitz, and would've taken a sack so we'd have to punt the next play.

Favre threw it up and gave his receiver a chance to make a play. It was the correct move in BOTH situations.

[Guiness]

don't like this, i kick an FG here

and I'm wrong

[channtheman]

That's a penalty on the defense. Seriously? They push Cobb back down as he gets up? No call?

[red]

Rodgers was open behind Adams.

yeah, but what are the chances that he would have caught it?

[red]

nice catch by cobb

[King Friday]

Need to score before 2 min warning.

[Guiness]

Another stupid TO! How the hell?

Rodger's gets so many free plays, I wonder if him burning TOs is part of that? A game of chicken, keep barking out the hard count until the playclock is almost all the way down?

[Maxie the Taxi]

I say bring Lacy in and let him take it up the middle!

[red]

So did Favre...he was facing an all out blitz, and would've taken a sack so we'd have to punt the next play.

Favre threw it up and gave his receiver a chance to make a play. It was the correct move in BOTH situations.

except favre did something like that 2 or 3 times a game and is by far the career record holder in INt's as proof of his recklessness

a-rod is the exact opposite

[ThunderDan]

I say bring Lacy in and let him take it up the middle!

You can't be serious.

[Harlan Huckleby]

well, now they have to score td and extra 2 pts or Carolina wins.

[channtheman]

Thinking we could have 3 timeouts right now if we would just get to the line and snap the ball in a reasonable amount of time is kind of sickening. I guess we better score the TD and get the 2 point as that is clearly what we are banking on.

[pbmax]

Forget the FG from this distance. Gor for TD and 2 pts.

[red]

I say bring Lacy in and let him take it up the middle!

veto

[Rastak]

Vikings just beat the Rams.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I say bring Lacy in and let him take it up the middle!

STFU you stupid moron!!!!!!!

[smuggler]

They can score, miss the 2 pt and get an onside kick... but yeah, the 2pt is preferable. No TD and the game is over.

[pbmax]

Good ad FedEx. Why believe in Santa kids?

[King Friday]

except favre did something like that 2 or 3 times a game and is by far the career record holder in INt's as proof of his recklessness

a-rod is the exact opposite

I don't disagree...but that doesn't mean all of Favre's passes were dumb. You claimed that play was an example of Favre's stupidity, and it simply isn't true.

[channtheman]

Game right here.

[ThunderDan]

well, now they have to score td and extra 2 pts or Carolina wins.

Still have an onside chance.

[red]

its really too bad we waited so long before we started playing

[King Friday]

I say bring Lacy in and let him take it up the middle!

He probably couldn't make it 4 yards in 2 minutes.

[channtheman]

Still have an onside chance.

Only if we score the TD. I feel like we mismanaged the clock and our timeouts this drive. We had a lot more options a minute ago.

[King Friday]

its really too bad we waited so long before we started playing

We need to get Ha Ha to piss off Raji in the 1st quarter next week.

[red]

I don't disagree...but that doesn't mean all of Favre's passes were dumb. You claimed that play was an example of Favre's stupidity, and it simply isn't true.

it is, because he would do 2 or 3 of those a game where you just wanted to ram your head into the wall from figuring out why the hell he would think it was a good idea to throw that

[channtheman]

I actually think kicking the field goal on the prior 4th down was the right call. There would have been about 3:30 left in the game with 2 timeouts on our side.

[smuggler]

Should have changed the playcall.

[red]

way to go M3

they obviously see what you are about to do and take a TO to adjust, and you bring the same play

[pbmax]

Wow. You have to make that throw to Cobb. Starks was there to help Bulaga.

[King Friday]

it is, because he would do 2 or 3 of those a game where you just wanted to ram your head into the wall from figuring out why the hell he would think it was a good idea to throw that

And he won 186 games...so he must've done a few things right.

[Guiness]

its really too bad we waited so long before we started playing

+1

[King Friday]

Wow. You have to make that throw to Cobb. Starks was there to help Bulaga.

No...Rodgers is clearly the greatest QB ever. He can never be wrong.

[red]

lindsay moved to the right and helped triple team the LE leaving a guy free to run up the middle

seems about right

[King Friday]

Wow. You have to make that throw to Cobb. Starks was there to help Bulaga.

Yep...why call that play if you aren't going to throw it to Cobb? Dumb move, A-Aron.

[pbmax]

way to go M3

they obviously see what you are about to do and take a TO to adjust, and you bring the same play

The play worked to a T. But pressure and a skittish QB derailed it.

[ThunderDan]

way to go M3

they obviously see what you are about to do and take a TO to adjust, and you bring the same play

Cobb was wide open. ARod didn't trust his protection.

[channtheman]

We get like 2 more plays.

[pbmax]

No...Rodgers is clearly the greatest QB ever. He can never be wrong.

He might be the greatest. But he can still be wrong, c'mon. No one thinks he is infallible.

[red]

put abby back there

[ThunderDan]

That TO looks even bigger now. We will still have 15 seconds left.

[King Friday]

Cobb was wide open. ARod didn't trust his protection.

Then he's a bigger moron than I thought he was. All he had to do was loft the ball 1.5 seconds after taking the snap.

[channtheman]

Well, after the punt it will be one more.

[red]

what ever happened to outkicking the coverage?

are players too fast for that these days?

[Badgerinmaine]

Cobb was wide open. ARod didn't trust his protection.

With how much pressure he's had the last two weeks, it's hard to blame him for that.

[King Friday]

He might be the greatest. But he can still be wrong, c'mon. No one thinks he is infallible.

I'm just poking all the Favre haters who think Rodgers is perfect and Favre is a turd.

[King Friday]

With how much pressure he's had the last two weeks, it's hard to blame him for that.

The point is that with the play called...if it was run correctly, all Rodgers had to do was take 2 steps back and lob it.

Rodgers never even looked at Cobb. It's a joke.

[red]

FFS

at least we ended it with a keystone cop play

of course we couldn't even do that right

[ThunderDan]

Well we spotted Carolina 3 quarters and couldn't make up for it In the 4th though the did have a chance to tie.

[King Friday]

FFS

at least we ended it with a keystone cop play

of course we couldn't even do that right

How many of those ever look right?

[pbmax]

Call me crazy but I am smelling Super Bowl after a playoff road trip again!

[Harlan Huckleby]

put abby back there

Good point. I'm not sure it is worth putting Hyde back there anyway. But certainly when you need a big play, get some speed.

[ThunderDan]

How many of those ever look right?

My thought too. If it was easy to get a 79 yard TD with the other team playing 9 men 20 or more yards off the line every team in the league wouldn't be running multiple laterals to do it.

[Badgerinmaine]

How many of those ever look right?
Darn near none of them do--but Arkansas sure pulled one off yesterday. Of course, they didn't need 70 yards. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/arkansas-pulls-off-fan-insane-lateral-pass-play-beats-ole-miss-in-ot

[Joemailman]

Call me crazy but I am smelling Super Bowl after a playoff road trip again!

Yep. Losing 2 in a row is the key. Happened in 2010 and 1996.

[red]

I'm just poking all the Favre haters who think Rodgers is perfect and Favre is a turd.

no, you're just acting like your vagina hurts cause someone said something bad about the golden god

[Maxie the Taxi]

So, does anyone think Stubby will make some major changes for next weekend?

[Badgerinmaine]

They've probably just played the two hardest games on their schedule, with the possible exception of playing at Arizona after Christmas (though I grant the Raiders are a heck of a lot better than I thought they would be this year). And Arizona usually has at least a third Packers fans there when Green Bay plays in the desert, so it's not the harshest road environment possible. What's huge now is the Vikings game in Minneapolis in two weeks. Today was aggravating, but I'm not ready to panic.

[red]

So, does anyone think Stubby will make some major changes for next weekend?

starks needs to be the starter for the rest of the year. and maybe lacy needs to be demoted to third string

time for rip to be the starting FB

other then that, we aren't gonna change anything, cause in the end, many people will say and think "we almost won", nothing to worry about

[mr_blonde]

Yep. Losing 2 in a row is the key. Happened in 2010 and 1996.

With the way this team is playing, on both sides of the ball, no chance.

Saw a stat that is the most yards the Packers have given up defense during a three game stretch in team history.
That's saying a lot, given how god awful that 2011 defense was.

I think this team will struggle to win 10 games. Just way too many holes.
In previous years, Rodgers play would mask the poor performance in other areas. Not this year. No more ....

[Maxie the Taxi]

Panic? No. But I'm wondering a bit. I mean, if Devin Fungess can shred the Packer D backfield, imagine what Megatron and company might do?

[Maxie the Taxi]

starks needs to be the starter for the rest of the year. and maybe lacy needs to be demoted to third string

time for rip to be the starting FB

other then that, we aren't gonna change anything, cause in the end, many people will say and think "we almost won", nothing to worry about

Why did we almost win? Was Carolina playing a different defense in the 4th quarter? I hope one of the experts here watches game film and knows. I just think it's really obvious the starting receivers we had today leave a lot to be desired. Maybe things will change if Monty comes back, but c'mon, man!

[red]

and to kick us while we're down

the shitty colts have scored as many points in the 1st quarter against the broncos as we did all game last week

[Badgerinmaine]

Panic? No. But I'm wondering a bit. I mean, if Devin Fungess can shred the Packer D backfield, imagine what Megatron and company might do?

We'll find out next week. It's still Matthew Stafford throwing to him.:mrgreen:

[Joemailman]

Last 3 weeks Packers defense has given up 548, 500 and 427 yards. Any good normal Packer fan can see this is a positive trend.

[red]

Why did we almost win? Was Carolina playing a different defense in the 4th quarter? I hope one of the experts here watches game film and knows. I just think it's really obvious the starting receivers we had today leave a lot to be desired. Maybe things will change if Monty comes back, but c'mon, man!

i think we started taking more risks in the passing game and it opened things up.

or it could have just been the panthers going into cruise control and letting up like we usually do and letting us right back in the game

i sure hope M# doesn't sit down and think his gameplan worked

[beveaux1]

I think that when Shields comes back, there will be a tightening in our defensive backfield. Shields and Burnett haven't played a whole game together since the beginning of the season. I'm still concerned about our MLB situation and our receivers, but we need to ride Starks for a while. He gives us a spark.

[red]

We'll find out next week. It's still Matthew Stafford throwing to him.:mrgreen:

stafford might just revive his career next week against us unless the defense changes some things up, cause what the d's been doing, ain't working

[Badgerinmaine]

stafford might just revive his career next week against us unless the defense changes some things up, cause what the d's been doing, ain't working

true that.

[Rastak]

Pack win big in a game that sends the Panthers into a downward spiral of mediocrity the remainder of the season. The Panthers disband as a professional team with 2 weeks left in the regular season and Cam Newton joins the Youth Girls Flag Football team of America coached by Michael Sam.

Pack 73.5
Panthers -2

That was close....sort of.....well maybe not super close.....you were in the right county......errr, state.....well, the right country.....the planet was correct.

[red]

I think that when Shields comes back, there will be a tightening in our defensive backfield. Shields and Burnett haven't played a whole game together since the beginning of the season. I'm still concerned about our MLB situation and our receivers, but we need to ride Starks for a while. He gives us a spark.

see, i don't know, shields has been brutal in a couple games, maybe 3 games

he sure as hell wasn't the reason the defense was looking better earlier on, he was usually the weak link

[red]

i don't like it, i'm expecting us to give up another shitload of yards today

we are once again one of the worst teams in the nfl against the run (26th), they are the best running team in the nfl

they got a QB who can run, we are a team that can't keep contain

they have a top 10 defense, we suck on offense

i think we lose again, hopefully not another ugly loss

closer

[channtheman]

That was close....sort of.....well maybe not super close.....you were in the right county......errr, state.....well, the right country.....the planet was correct.

:D

[pittstang5]

stafford might just revive his career next week against us unless the defense changes some things up, cause what the d's been doing, ain't working

What I can't get my head around is, Why the F@ck are Receivers WIDE F@CKIN OPEN! The Score could have been worse, but Cam overthrew alot today! This keeps happening, Week after Week! It should not happen!!

Megatron is gonna have 250 yards next week.

[Joemailman]

What I can't get my head around is, Why the F@ck are Receivers WIDE F@CKIN OPEN! The Score could have been worse, but Cam overthrew alot today! This keeps happening, Week after Week! It should not happen!!

Megatron is gonna have 250 yards next week.

You're right about the secondary problems. Megatron though isn't what he once was although he's still pretty good. If they stop blowing assignments, they'll be okay. If they don't, it doesn't matter who the opposing WR is.

[red]

What I can't get my head around is, Why the F@ck are Receivers WIDE F@CKIN OPEN! The Score could have been worse, but Cam overthrew alot today! This keeps happening, Week after Week! It should not happen!!

Megatron is gonna have 250 yards next week.

its happened for years

the super bowl year, we had chuck woodson and nick collins making huge plays after we would give up all those yards. its the capers defense. the problem is that we don't have the playmakers to slam the door shut at the end of drives and games like those two did

[pbmax]

Its lack of pass rush. Capers plays a lot of trail coverage (as did the LeBeau Steelers) and you do have a window to complete a pass if the back level of the D is not nearby. What is stopping most QBs from threading that needle is pressure. Just like Rodgers was forced off Cobb on 4th down.

Without pressure, that trail coverage is especially vulnerable to QBs who have good arms and like to throw to empty spaces and let the WR run to the ball (who don't like tight window throwing). So Wilson and Newton can exploit it. So can Rivers and Manning if they have time.

[smuggler]

Downs syndrome superficial fans praising Thomas Davis for saving the game.

Uh.. Hello??! If Davis isn't there, the ball falls incomplete and you still win! Don't know who made the play? Seriously? YOUR DEFENSIVE LINEMAN, SHORT!

Davis made some good plays in his own right, but Kawan Short is the guy that saved the game on 4th down.

[red]

Its lack of pass rush. Capers plays a lot of trail coverage (as did the LeBeau Steelers) and you do have a window to complete a pass if the back level of the D is not nearby. What is stopping most QBs from threading that needle is pressure. Just like Rodgers was forced off Cobb on 4th down.

Without pressure, that trail coverage is especially vulnerable to QBs who have good arms and like to throw to empty spaces and let the WR run to the ball (who don't like tight window throwing). So Wilson and Newton can exploit it. So can Rivers and Manning if they have time.

are blitzes not getting home, are we just not blitzing, are they the 10 second delayed blitzes that we use to use all the time with hawk

what are you seeing pb?

we haven't seen the corner blitz at all

[smuggler]

Blitzes absolutely not getting home. Sending 6 men against a 5-man protection and getting stonewalled.

[mraynrand]

Blitzes absolutely not getting home. Sending 6 men against a 5-man protection and getting stonewalled.

meanwhile the opposition is getting pressure on every pass play, oddly enough because the tackles are surrendering three steps of territory right off the snap. The contrast is maddening to watch.

[red]

then that means our d lineman are not getting their jobs done

[pbmax]

are blitzes not getting home, are we just not blitzing, are they the 10 second delayed blitzes that we use to use all the time with hawk

what are you seeing pb?

we haven't seen the corner blitz at all

The only blitzes working are the overload and the Matthews audible where he jumps into an A gap while the other LB is in the other.

They did force some quick throws from Newton, he was 15-30, but for the most part it seemed to weaken the pass D and put them in a lot of man to man.

The only reliable is Jones and he only plays on obvious passing downs. They are DT'ing Daniels frequently.

[pbmax]

It shouldn't be that hard because teams are Max Protecting after all the Packer pressure success in the first 3 games. So its not like they are running 5 man routes, but they can run 2 or 3 man routes, protect with 7 or 8 and no one is getting home.

Now to some degree, that always happens. Not many people beside Arians, Martz and Aaron Rodgers versus the Falcons puts the QB in charge of making the QB avoid an unblocked pass rusher.

Problem is they are not getting home enough to stop drives. When they do get them in unfavorable situations, they give up a lot of long 3rd down plays and penalties. A cleaner game would go a long way to help.

Dix has regressed a little (probably normal with more responsibility) and Burnett probably isn't 100% yet.

[pbmax]

then that means our d lineman are not getting their jobs done

The Guion/Raji 4-2 nickel is not getting much pressure. Guion is not having the impact he did last year in pass rush.