GET HARD!!!! 2016 NFL DRAFT TODAY!!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

You guys want Linebackers? I got linebackers!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9OilbFAZx0
Ragland, I pretty much think he is the concensus number 1 inside linebacker, which means if he is there Thompson will take a different linebacker. Ragland is not the worlds greatest athlete but few middle linebackers are. He is a very solid tackler, he has good instincts in the run game and in the passing game. He doesn't get fooled on play action in the college game very often. Here is the other thing that is intriguing about Ragland, he can rush from the outside position. Ragland can play all over the field even in nickel. He doesn't have to come out if he can get after the passer. Much better in zone coverage than in man coverage. Also what I like about him is that there is no wasted movement, he takes very good angles to the football.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsJ6EX7LFjI
Jaylon Smith, what a really sad story. This kid is a a hell of an athlete and it is a shame that he had to reck his knee in his last game in college. All you here is that the recovery is not going well and that he is going to have to redshirt his first year in the NFL. This kid is a top 5 pick in this draft and he is going to get 3rd round money. Speed. That is what stands out about this kid. If you watch the Ragland video, in coverage Ragland had some issues running with receivers in coverage. Then you watch Smiths highlight and he is a blanket on receivers running across the middle. Ragland does fine when the receivers are kept in front of hom, but he isn't going to be able to run with NFL running backs and some of the faster tight ends. Smith can handle any and all responsibilities if the knee bounces back. The thing I don't like about Smith is that he is an arm tackler and rather than driving into the ball carrier he drags them down. That will result in missed tackles at the next level. He also tends to jump gaps when he penetrates the the LOS, which is fine but watching the highlight I didn't see him beat any blockers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMdAkq2voTU
Su'a Cravens, there is a lot to like if you watch his highlight film. Tweener between safety and linebacker. He could be viable option in the passing game he is good in coverage and can blitz. I don't know how he would help between the tackles, but he looks like a second round pick, maybe an early third but he brings some athleticism and instinct.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifTvjGbE6LY
Dion Jones, Undersized guy that makes a lot of tackles. To be honest I don't see any one special quality that jumps out on this film. He is a good but not great athlete, he doesn't have the versatility of a Cravens, he is linebacker only. He keeps his numbers towards the line of scrimmage which a good thing, he doesn't take many false steps and gets to where he needs to be. He seemed pretty well protected in the run game by his defensive linemen.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDVSsqyYfA
Scooby Wright, the best thing I can say after watching this film from his Sophomore season is that he likes the game of football. He should have stayed in school although I don't know if it would have improved his draft stock. He is a limited athlete that plays to upright and lacks ideal quickness and speed. He misses too many tackles because he is not athletic enough to break down. I think a 4th round grade is not low enough for this guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7K3yy_zKs
Michigan St film on Darron Lee. I really like watching these complete game films because it shows the good and the bad. There is not much I like about Lee. He usually lines up wide on the slot and you don't see his speed when it comes time to close on the ball. He lacks strength and instinct which negates his speed. If a lineman gets locked on him he is taken out of the play.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq8bC8-gKZ0
BJ Goodson looks the part of a middle linebacker. He played in a hybrid 3-4 at Clemson and usually in the middle of the field sometimes sliding over past the edge rusher to cover a TE. He is physical and does a decent job in coverage in this film. He needs to shed blockers a bit faster but he would offer a decent mid round value as an ILB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNBYlVjuS7w
Kentrell Brothers is everything you want in a football player if you are a college coach. He uses his hands well, he takes good angles to the football, he uses his defensive linemen to cover for him, he reads the offense very well. Unfortunately this is the kinda of guy the Combine weeds out. He is just a step slow and that will bury him in the NFL. It's really too bad because his film is quite good.

[Fritz]

Wow. Not much to get a boner over here.

[mraynrand]

BJ Goodson looks a lot like Darron Lee. They are almost indistinguishable.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGqkcf75JRs
Tyler Matakevich, him and Scooby Wright should form a band. Not really all that impressive, at times on this film he looked lost and confused. Not extremely athletic, very stiff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIJJwM1OqQ
Dominique Alexander, film from 2014 and he had a broken hand. He is a bit more athletically gifted than some further down the draft and he might make a good project for two years and he could be a starter. He could be a darn good special teams player. He should have more production based on his athleticism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6BMybCyV5E
I like Joshua Perry 100% better than Derron Lee. I also think Perry could play inside stacked over the offense guard. He uses his hand pretty well and stays square to the line of scrimmage. He doesn't get washed out. He is not a great athlete and struggles on a quick change of direction. He has stiff hips and that's never going to change, but for the value of a second or third round pick he offers more than some guys that are going to go before him

[Deputy Nutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwSKm-u0VQ4
Myles Jack is a football player. He is athletic and has that quick twitch thing that jumps off on film. He is aggressive and likes to hit people. He uses his hands well. He is not the athlete that Jaylon Smith is, but he is the close. He just hasn't matured as a linebacker yet. He isn't natural in reading play action and it takes him too long to read the offense. He gets away with it because he is the most athletic guy on the field, but that won't be the case in the NFL. He will most likely mature into a good linebacker at the next level but I have seen better.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-1PbC6pb0
Kamalei Correa, Don't waste your time, sort of like Nick Perry at his worst. This could be a bad film of him, but he is so stiff and nonexplosive that I don't think I need to watch anymore.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ib8s81KFo
Joe the Show, He does a nice job holding the line of scrimmage, rarely in this footage do you see him get pushed back. Schobert is sneaky athletic he doesn't jump off the film but I think he is able to do more at his size than most guys. Good closing speed and more active then some of the other guys. He doesn't close space well on this film, he leaves pockets for backs to run through and the only chance he gives himself is to dive at their feet. I think I would rather have this guy on a roster than a 3 or 4 of the other guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXagXCw8Hw

Because he is a Wisconsin kid

[Pugger]

What time tonight do you think we'll be on the clock?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is this the official thread?

[mraynrand]

Is this the official thread?

it should be. Nice work Nutz

[Deputy Nutz]

You want fat fucks? I got the fat fucks!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1QNQdFKUo
Sheldon Rankins, really not much to see here, seriously this was a boring tape, he didn't do much of anything.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-mI212glU
Robert Nkemdiche. He is a gap shooter. He doesn't have the frame to hold up to double teams but he is very quick off the snap and can beat guys one on one. He can't allow offensive linemen to get their hands on him at the next level or it's all over for him. I see him more as a 5 technique than an interior guy. I think he could cause some problems rushing out of the nickel for the Packers. He has off the field questions, although he is a college student that got drunk and fell off a balcony, how many of us has that not happened too? Some say that he takes plays off, watch all this film and if you tell me that there is a defensive linemen that goes hard every play then draft that kid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kg-qHjucj4
Vernon Butler is a big fella with some good technique. He uses his hands pretty well and when he is fresh he has a nice forward lean and makes contact with the offensive linemen first. He needs to get into better shape or play less. He could go in the first round but will not make it to the end of the second round, but I would think he would be a rotation guy for anyone that takes him. He has nice pass rushing moves but will be used more of a block eater.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3EEsGR3-ws
Austin Johnson is a big body man that is trouble to move out of the way even with two blockers. He has the stature to be a run plugger for the next several years in the NFL but he needs better technique and get more explosive. He needs to use his hands better and shed blockers. If you want a guy that could clog the middle this guy could fit the bill. 2 years away from being a potential starter.

[George Cumby]

"I got the fat fucks!" LOL

Is this shit show going to be streamed, anyone know?

[pbmax]

Not without a cable provider login. Those people in Europe (.eu, .tv) with their first row websites often have illegal listings though.

[Carolina_Packer]

What time tonight do you think we'll be on the clock?

Whatever time that is, they are sure to be at commercial break! :-)

[Rastak]

Good evening guys!

I grabbed Dane Brugler's guide again this year......may or may not post the Bios.....pretty detailed.

[pbmax]

https://public.tableau.com/profile/brian.burke#!/vizhome/bayesiandrafttool2016/ByPlayer

Best available players by pick and team. Bayesians don't like the chances of Billings getting to the Packers. I *think* this updates live.

Hello Ras!

[Rastak]

https://public.tableau.com/profile/brian.burke#!/vizhome/bayesiandrafttool2016/ByPlayer

Best available players by pick and team. Bayesians don't like the chances of Billings getting to the Packers. I *think* this updates live.

Hello Ras!


Greets PB, thanks for the link.

[Rastak]

Dang, they think Doctson goes before Treadwell, not so sure.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dang, they think Doctson goes before Treadwell, not so sure.

The measurables say Doctson. The tape says Treadwell. I have them ranked about as evenly as possible, but I'd pick Treadwell if I had to choose. I hope the Vikings don't get either guy.

[Rastak]

The measurables say Doctson. The tape says Treadwell. I have them ranked about as evenly as possible, but I'd pick Treadwell if I had to choose. I hope the Vikings don't get either guy.

I'd like either at 23.....not sure either will be there.

[Joemailman]

Goff or Wentz?

[Rastak]

Goff or Wentz?


Goff is the word.


edit: They probably would have already signed the guy except for dildo Goodell telling everyone to shut up for the big show. Unfortunately, like last year we'll probably four picks backed up. I'm beginning to dislike watching the NFL draft for the first time ever.

Leave to Roger to fuck it up.

[Rastak]

Turn the fucking card in. You didn't trade a shitload of picks while unsure of what you wanted.

[Rastak]

Seriously? Rams aren't sure huh?

[Striker]

Seriously? Rams aren't sure huh?

Had to flip a bunch of coins.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/QB/Jared-Goff


Jared Goff
School: California
Position: QB
Positive: Three-year starter who completed 64.5% of his throws and set PAC 12 records with 4719 yards passing and 43 TDs last season. Sophomore totals included 3973 yards passing after 3508 yards the prior year. Accurate, instinctive signal caller with great upside. Patient in the pocket, remains poised under all conditions and scans the field, going through progressions. Quickly sets up with the pocket. Consistently throws with solid fundamentals and has a smooth, over-the-top delivery. Natural looking off the safety, does a solid job with his defensive reads and improvises when plays breakdown. Accurate with terrific pass placement. Puts the ball in front of receivers and does not make them work hard to come away with the reception. Displays a great sense of knowing where his targets are on the field, easily slides outside the pocket to make the throw on the move and puts air under passes, letting receivers run to the ball. Keeps his eyes down the field looking for pass catchers rather than worrying about pass rushers, displays a great sense of timing and does not have receivers waiting on the ball. Puts touch on throws when necessary. Throws terrific corner and fade patterns and always gives receivers a chance to make the catch. True leader on the field and controls the offense.

Negative: At times holds the ball a little too long in the pocket. Played in a system where he primarily lined up in the shotgun formation with three or four receivers sets. Has a thin build and may struggle holding up against the rush at the next level.

Analysis: From the time he stepped on the field as a freshman Goff was an impact player who consistently improved his game. He very much reminds me of Peyton Manning during his junior season with his ability to improvise and accurately place his throws. Goff may need a bit of time before he's truly NFL ready but comes with great upside and should be a productive NFL quarterback if properly coached.

[esoxx]

I would take Hundley over Goff.

[Rastak]

1. JARED GOFF | California 6040|215 lbs|3JR Novato, Calif. (Marin Catholic) 10/14/1994 (age 21) #16
YEAR (GP/GS) CP-ATT CP% YDS TD INT CAR YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st Round 2013: (12/12) 320-531 60.3 3,508 18 10 59 -62 -1.1 1 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/4 | Hand: 09 | Wingspan: 77 7/8 2014: (12/12) 316-509 62.1 3,973 35 7 55 -44 -0.8 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.82 | 10-YD: 1.65 | 20-YD: 2.71 | VJ: 27 | BJ: 09’02” | SS: 4.47 | 3C: 7.17 2015: (13/13) 341-529 64.5 4,719 43 13 56 -8 -0.1 0 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (37/37) 977-1,569 62.3 12,200 96 30 170 -114 -1.5 1
BACKGROUND: A four-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Goff committed to Cal (his father’s alma mater) early in the process, not giving any other program serious interest. He became the first true freshman in school history to start the season opener and started all 12 games in 2013, completing 60.3% of his passes for 3,508 yards, 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Goff again started all 12 games in 2014 as a sophomore and improved his production with 62.1% completions for 3,973 passing yards, 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors for the second straight year. He had a record-breaking season as a junior in 2015, setting new Pac-12 marks for passing yards (4,719) and passing touchdowns (43). He also posted a career-best 341 completions and 62.3% completions, earning First Team All-Pac 12 honors (first Cal quarterback to earn that honor since Aaron Rodgers in 2004). Goff decided to skip his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.
STRENGTHS: Good height for the position with the body type to add weight and fill out…outstanding feet, set-up quickness and release, displaying the lower body mechanics to easily come to balance and throw in rhythm – terrific pocket presence to float from pressure with his eyes downfield and buy extra half seconds…climbs the pocket with controlled steps…fundamentals don’t break down when the play does and capable of the correct spontaneous decision…cerebral passing instincts with a strong understanding of anticipation and timing, throwing receivers open…very good self-evaluator and learns from his mistakes…quick trigger and spins a pretty ball with the velocity to drive it and make all the necessary throws…improved eye use to hold defenders, keep the middle of the field open…very good placement to give his receivers a chance to catch-and-go with the touch to deliver tight-windowed throws between levels of the defense…sees the field well pre-snap to get a head start on his progressions…patient to work through his reads, feeling the rush, not looking at the rush…has the stones to stay tough in the pocket even with the hit coming…improved recognition skills pre-snap to identify pressures and find the hot route on blitzes…not a statue, showing enough athleticism to move the pocket and pick up yards as a rusher…trusts his teammates with a steady demeanor regardless of down-and-distance or what the scoreboard says – played behind a spotty offensive line and with receivers who had high drop rates…effective pooch punter, averaging 37.7 yards per punt (12/452), including six inside the opponents’ 20-yard line…two-year team captain (voted by his teammates) – ultra-reserved and laid back personality…athletic bloodlines – father (Jeff) was an AllAmerican baseball catcher at Cal and played seven seasons in MLB (1990-96)…started every game the last three seasons (37 career starts)…rewrote the Cal record book and holds 26 school records, including career passing yards (12,200), touchdown passes (96) and completions (977) – only the second Pac-12 passer to throw 3,000+ yards in each of his first three collegiate seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Currently lacks an ideal build for the position with thin legs…lacks a power arm to deliver stick throws without the aid of proper technique and body motion…deep ball accuracy is very inconsistent and makes his receivers work for it…bad habit of bypassing tight windows, looking for a “more open” target and holding the ball too long – internal clock is a work-in-progress…pressure can disrupt his tempo and decision-making, struggling when forced to quicken his release – can lose focus when rattled, leading to ill-advised throws…doesn’t consistently see all 11 defenders…shotgun, system offense, getting all the play-calls and audibles from the sideline – lacks experience making checks at the line of scrimmage based on his reads…has shown improvements with his ball security, but still an issue in college with average hand size and 23 career fumbles (10 in 2013, nine in 2014 and only four in 2015)…lean features leads to durability concerns – wears a heavy brace on left knee and separated his right throwing shoulder as a freshman (Dec. 2013), which required surgery…losing record as a starter in college (14-23)…too laid back according to several around the league with a blasé, non-engaging personality that will be a turn off for some.

[Rastak]

This better not take fucking 10 minutes too.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/QB/Carson-Wentz


Carson Wentz
School: North Dakota State
Position: QB

Positive: Two-year starter awarded all-America honors as a junior. Posted 1651 yards passing and 17 TDs in 8 games last season when he missed half the year with a broken bone in his wrist. Junior totals included 3111 yards passing and 25 TDs. Smart, tough signal caller with tremendous upside. Consistent in all areas of the game. Stands strong in the pocket, displays good awareness and quickly locates the open wide out. Effectively reads the defense, remains poised under the rush and buys as much time as necessary for receivers. Effectively sets up screen passes, displays a sense of timing and does not have targets waiting on the ball. Throws with solid fundamentals, for the most part accurate and does not make receivers work hard to come away with the catch. Goes through progressions, will take the 2nd or 3rd option rather than force the ball into targets and does not have mental lapses. Possesses a big time arm, displays speed on all his throws but also puts touch on passes when necessary. Smooth rolling outside the pocket, keeps his eyes down the field and loses nothing on his throws. Spreads the ball around and uses all his receivers.

Negative: Does not do a good job sensing the backside rush. Throws with a wide base and is often high of the mark. Has limited starting experience on the small school level.

Analysis: Wentz was consistently productive under center at North Dakota State and possesses outstanding physical skills as well as mental wherewithal for the next level. He may need time before he's NFL ready and there will be bumps in the road but if properly coached Wentz should be a productive Sunday quarterback with a long career.

[Joemailman]

San Diego up. Buckner or Tunsil. Rivers got beat up last year. I'm thinking Tunsil.

[Rastak]

2. CARSON WENTZ | North Dakota State 6052|237 lbs|5SR Bismarck, N.D. (Bismarck Central) 12/30/1992 (age 23) #11
YEAR (GP/GS) CP-ATT CP% YDS TD INT CAR YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st Round 2011: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 1/4 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 78 3/4 2012: (8/0) 12-16 75.0 144 2 0 5 22 4.4 1 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.77 | 10-YD: 1.65 | 20-YD: 2.75 | VJ: 30.5 | BJ: 09’10” | SS: 4.15 | 3C: 6.86 2013: (11/0) 22-30 73.3 209 1 0 10 70 7.0 0 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2014: (16/16) 228-358 63.7 3,111 25 10 138 642 4.7 6 2015: (8/7) 130-208 62.5 1,651 17 4 63 294 4.7 6 Total: (43/23) 392-612 64.1 5,115 45 14 216 1,028 4.8 13
BACKGROUND: A no-star quarterback recruit, Wentz was vastly overlooked throughout the recruitment process because he played wide receiver and linebacker as a junior in high school (due to baseball injuries) before starting at quarterback as a senior in 2010. He received offers from a handful of FCS-level teams and Central Michigan (the only FBS program to recruit him) but Wentz stuck to his commitment to nearby North Dakota State, where his brother played baseball. After redshirting in 2011, he saw limited playing time as Brock Jensen’s back-up as a redshirt freshman and sophomore. Wentz became the starter in 2014 and led the Bison to the FCS National Title with 63.7% completions, 3,111 passing yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-America honors. He started the first six games as a senior before a throwing wrist injury sidelined him for the second half of the 2015 season, returning for the FCS National Championship Game. Wentz finished the season with 62.5% completions, 1,651 passing yards, 17 touchdowns and four interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.
STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame…above average arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity – can make all the necessary NFL throws…tight release, especially for a player with his long arms…shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork…functional athleticism in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays – throws well moving to his left and his right…has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions…shows the ability to recognize defensive coverages and blitzes, changing the play at the line – coaches put a lot on his plate, trusting him to make all protection calls and checks…reliable field vision pre and post snap…very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills – four-time All-Conference honor roll recipient (4.0 GPA) and unprecedented three-time recipient of the NCAA Elite 90 Award…physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits…great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured…set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior…consistent winner with a 20-3 career record as a starter and five-time FCS National Champion (twice as a starter).
WEAKNESSES: Locks onto reads with immature eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders…improved passing anticipation, but still developing his feel for timing routes – tick late and needs to speed up his reads…wide base and needs to improve his lower body efficiency…downfield and deep accuracy is inconsistent, leading or underthrowing…bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into crowded coverage…needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away – 10 fumbles the last two years…on the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance…lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition – 22 of 23 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at Iowa State: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns)…missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015), but did return for the 2015 FCS Championship Game, leading his team to victory.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter, Wentz thrived in North Dakota State’s wide-open offense, taking snaps from under center and shotgun with several pro-style reads, including left-to-right and high-to-low progressions – didn’t consistently face top competition at the FCS level, but performed well in high pressure situations, including the 2014 and 2015 FCS National Championship Games (NDSU won both). He was only a 5-foot-8, 125 pound freshman in high school and didn’t start at quarterback until his senior year, causing him to go under-recruited (similar path as Ben Roethlisberger). Although his internal clock and eye use need maturing, Wentz performs well within structure with his strong arm and touch, but can also improvise when the play breaks down, stretching out his legs to pick up chunk yardage if it’s there (1,028 career rushing yards). He possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions – the top senior passer in the 2016 draft class and ideally needs a redshirt rookie season in the NFL.

[esoxx]

I would take Wentz over Hundley.

[ThunderDan]

I would take Hundley over Goff.

Yeah!!

[ThunderDan]

I would take Wentz over Hundley.

Boo!!!

[esoxx]

Tough crowd in here.:lol:

[red]

i just don't get a guy who has only ever played against division 2 talent being #2 overall

sure he looks good on tape, he's playing against a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be one of the 100 players on any of the 150 division 1 teams

huge jump up in talent from d-2 opponents to the nfl

[Rastak]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

If the draft starts here why the hell is it 7:30pm CT?

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/DE/Joey-Bosa


Joey Bosa
School: Ohio State
Position: DE

Positive: Three-year starter that's earned All-America honors since his freshman season. Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year in 2015 after 51 tackles, 16 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. Also intercepted one pass and broke up 4 more. Sophomore totals included 21 tackles for loss as well as 13.5 sacks. Dominant three down defensive end with tremendous upside. Fires off the snap with an explosive first step, breaks down well and plays with good pad level. Always on balance, rarely off his feet and displays excellent lateral movement skills. Quickly changes direction, pursues from the backside with speed and runs down ball handlers. Consistently plays with proper pad level, relentless up the field and strong. Knocks back bigger offensive tackles and keeps his feet and hands active throughout the action. Has opponents playing back on their heels, at times impossible to stop and a disruptive force that must be accounted for.

Negative: Occasionally takes it easy if the play's not in his immediate vicinity. Lacks great bulk and may struggle facing off against bigger offensive tackles at the next level.

Analysis: Bosa is a terrific combination of fundamentals, athleticism and natural power. He's a three down lineman with potential in a four-man front or certain one gap/three-man lines and should quickly break into the starting lineup as a rookie then immediately produce.

[Rastak]

1. JOEY BOSA | Ohio State 6052|269 lbs|3JR Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (St. Thomas Aquinas) 7/11/1995 (age 20) #97
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 1st Round 2013: (14/10) 44 13.5 7.5 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 3/8 | Hand: 10 1/4 | Wingspan: 79 3/4 2014: (15/15) 55 21.0 13.5 4 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.86 | 10-YD: 1.68 | 20-YD: 2.83 | BP: 24 | VJ: 32 | BJ: 10’00” | SS: 4.21 | 3C: 6.89 2015: (12/12) 51 16.0 5.0 1 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.77 | 10-YD: 1.65 | 20-YD: 2.75 | BP: 28 | VJ: 31.5 | BJ: 10’01” Total: (41/37) 150 50.5 26.0 5

BACKGROUND: A four-star recruit out of high school, Bosa was wooed by every top program in the country and passed on offers from Alabama, Florida and Florida State to head north and commit to the Buckeyes. He saw immediate action as a true freshman with 10 starts and finished second on the team with 7.5 sacks, earning Honorable Mention All-Big Ten and numerous Freshman All-American honors. A unanimous All-American as a sophomore, Bosa started all 15 games in 2014 and was the Big Ten’s Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year, leading the conference in tackles for loss (21.0) and sacks (13.5) and helping the Buckeyes win the inaugural College Football Playoffs. He was suspended for the season opener in 2015, but started the final 12 games and led the Buckeyes with 16.0 tackles for loss and 14 quarterback hurries, adding 51 tackles and 5.0 sacks to earn Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year and First Team All-Big Ten honors. Bosa considered staying for his senior season to play with his brother in Columbus (incoming freshman Nick Bosa), but opted to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Grown-man strength with NFL build and body strength…balanced athlete with natural bend, flexibility and initial quickness…controls his momentum well and easily converts his first step to power, sinking and rushing with low pad level to put blockers on skates…athletic repertoire of rush moves with an innate understanding of how to use his hands and length to set up moves…comfortable on his feet to drop and play in space…excellent secondary quickness and doesn’t take himself out of plays due to his hustle and ball awareness – game comes natural to him…stacks and leverages blocks to stay home, hold outside contain and filter the action inside…natural core power and knows how to use it, rarely playing on his heels…very good break down skills to reset his eyes, collect himself and finish…violent striker and doesn’t miss tackles when he’s in the area…plays with a high degree of toughness and accustomed to facing double and triple teams…tryhard competitor and beats himself up after negative plays – performs angry with focus to eliminate those mistakes…reserved personality and avoids the spotlight off the field…athletic bloodlines – father (John) played defensive tackle at Boston College and was a first round pick in the 1987 NFL Draft (16th overall), playing three years in the NFL, and uncle (Eric Kumerow) was an Ohio State linebacker and captain (1984-87)…productive resume with 50.5 tackles for loss and 26.0 sacks over his 37 career starts – core member of 2015 National Championship team.

WEAKNESSES: Not a quick-twitch rusher or elite explosion athlete…still developing his body mechanics as an edge rusher and needs to improve his inside shoulder dip…too reactionary at times with room to improve his anticipation…will occasionally misread option and zone plays and needs to maintain his gap and outside responsibilities…snap discipline needs tweaked (five offsides penalties in two-game stretch in 2015)…sack production was underwhelming in 2015…suspended for the 2015 season opener due to a violation of team rules (Marijuana) – carries himself with an ultra-laidback personality, which will be a turn off for some.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Bosa lined up in a three-point stance, mostly at left defensive end, but also on the right side and sometimes inside as a threetechnique or standing up as a spying linebacker. He is very physically gifted, but even better, he knows how to use those gifts and works his tail off to maximize his potential. Bosa has the athletic and power traits, but it’s also his instincts, preparation and understanding of leverage that allow him to be successful, setting up his moves and recognizing scheme tendencies. He has swift, but heavy hands to beat blockers with upper and lower body quickness, creating separation and seeing through bodies to make stops – Ohio State defensive coordinator Luke Fickell probably said it best: “there’s nothing he can’t do.” Although he might not be a consistent double-digit sack artist in the NFL, Bosa is a scheme-versatile player with the dominant traits to consistently impact the game vs. the pass and the run at the next level – a true candidate for the top-five overall picks, projecting as a better version of New England Patriots defensive end Chris Long.

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browns and cowboys looking to jump back into the end of the first to grab QB's

wouldn't shock me if we're the team that takes the trade

[Joemailman]

Dallas up. Jalen Ramsey?

[esoxx]

I would take Bosa over Hundley.

[red]

if they are really gonna take all 10 minutes for eah pick, then this fucking thing is gonna take over 5 hours

fuck that, i'm not staying up till midnight, i MIGHT make it till 10

[Striker]

Chargers must feel real confident in their o-line coming into this season...

[Rastak]

Norse Code Retweeted
PFTCommenter ‏@PFTCommenter 2m2 minutes ago
Chip Kellys draft bored is in shambles after all white guys flew off 1-2-3

LOL......

[Rastak]

if they are really gonna take all 10 minutes for eah pick, then this fucking thing is gonna take over 5 hours

fuck that, i'm not staying up till midnight, i MIGHT make it till 10


I'm with ya....the first two were already decided days ago.......wtf?

[Rastak]

Dallas up. Jalen Ramsey?


I would, but they keep showing Elliot.....

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who the hell takes a running back in the top 5 these days?

only insane jerry

[esoxx]

The Packers pick is projected about 10pm.

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LOL

moron

[Rastak]

1. EZEKIEL ELLIOTT | Ohio State 5116|225 lbs|3JR St. Louis, Mo. (Burroughs) 7/22/1995 (age 20) #15
YEAR (GP/GS) CAR YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st Round 2013: (11/0) 30 262 8.7 2 3 23 7.7 1 MEASUREABLES Arm: 31 1/4 | Hand: 10 1/4 | Wingspan: 75 3/8 2014: (15/14) 273 1,878 6.9 18 28 220 7.9 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.47 | 10-YD: 1.58 | 20-YD: 2.62 | VJ: 32.5 | BJ: 09’10” 2015: (13/13) 289 1,821 6.3 23 27 206 7.6 0 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (39/27) 592 3,961 6.7 43 58 449 7.7 1

BACKGROUND: A four-star running back recruit out of high school, Ezekiel “Zeke” Elliott received offers from nearly every top program in the country and Missouri, where his parents played athletics, appeared to be the favorite until Ohio State swooped in – also won four state championships in track. He saw minimal playing time as a true freshman in 2013, rushing for 262 yards in 11 games. With Carlos Hyde off to the NFL, Elliott was part of a running back committee to start the 2014 season, but he quickly became the featured weapon for the Buckeyes’ offense with 1,878 yards and 18 touchdowns, becoming just the third player in school history with 2,000+ all-purpose yards in a season (2,114). He rushed for 200+ rushing yards in Ohio State’s final three games in 2014, including the inaugural College Football Playoffs where he earned Offensive MVP honors. As a junior in 2015, Elliott set a career-best with 23 rushing scores and finished just shy of his sophomore year total, recording 1,821 rushing yards, earning the Graham-George Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year and Ameche-Dayne Big Ten Running Back of Year awards. He also earned First Team All-Big Ten honors for the second straight season. Elliott decided to give up his final season of eligibility and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Sturdy, developed body type for the position with packed-on muscle…excellent job marrying his eyes with his feet to read, cut and go in fluid motion, transitioning his weight flawlessly in his movements to bounce away from defenders – strong plant foot and above average balance…outstanding vision and coordinated footwork to quickly read blocks and react…runs with natural pad level and fantastic forward lean…won’t shy from contact, using his leg drive and relentless fight to move the chains and finish with authority – rarely goes out of bounds on his own…shines at the second level, weaving through traffic and gaining speed in the open field to separate from pursuing defenders and stretch out his stride…smart, heady player who understands situational football and always knows where the sticks are – coaches praise his football IQ and also earned Academic All-Big Ten honors…battle-tested and stays fresh late in games…natural hands-catcher (58 career receptions) and snares passes away from his body without breaking stride…selfless, valuable blocker, both as a lead blocker and in pass protection, identifying the blitzer and eliminating him from the play…strong grip on the ball and doesn’t allow defenders to rip it out – only four career fumbles (650 offensive touches)…athletic bloodlines, both parents were student-athletes at Missouri – father (Stacy) played football and mother (Dawn) was a member of the track and field team…plays and practices with strong work habits and passion – very prideful and wants to be the best…leaves Columbus No. 2 on the school’s all-time rushing list (3,961 career yards, behind only Archie Griffin) and his rushing yard totals from 2014 and 2015 rank second and third on Ohio State’s all-time single season list – his 22 career 100-yard rushing performances also ranks second in school history (behind Griffin).

WEAKNESSES: Won’t be able to consistently run away from defenders at the next level…slow at times to get past the line of scrimmage due to his patience, giving his blockers too much time and allowing defenders to react…will occasionally make one cut too many…stubbornly follows the design of the run (like he’s coached to do), but needs to be a better freelancer if the opportunity presents itself…needs technical refinement in pass protection to properly anchor and punch to halt rushers…not known as a “me” player, but had an immature moment postgame Nov. 2015, publically criticizing the play-calling and coaches following the Michigan State loss – later apologized, but needs to learn from the incident…cited for three misdemeanors, including driving with a suspended license (Dec. 2015).

SUMMARY: A two-year starter, Elliott’s run style was an ideal fit for Urban Meyer’s spread offense and gap run game, especially the outside-zone read option and stretch and counter plays that allowed Elliott to use his elite vision, balance and body control to burst through holes with the acceleration and toughness to finish. He can be too patient reading the field and NFL defenses will catch up to that, but he’s outstanding at syncing his eyes with his feet to read, cut and go in a fluid motion. Elliott has the résumé of a playmaker and is extremely well-rounded, doing some of his best work away from the ball as a blocker and receiver. Elliott had an immature moment after the Michigan State loss, but it was an isolated incident and he is considered a high character and respectful individual. He needs refinement in a few areas on the field, but it’s tough to find glaring weaknesses in his run style. Elliott fits any offensive scheme, which is why he is the top-rated player at his position one of the top-five talents in the 2016 class.

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The Packers pick is projected about 10pm.

can't see how. 4 picks have taken 40 minutes

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/RB/Ezekiel-Elliott


Ezekiel Elliott
School: Ohio State
Position: RB

Positive: Two-year starter named Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year after totaling 1821 yards on the ground with 23 TDs and adding another 27 receptions for 206 yards. Explosive ball carrier with outstanding vision and a well-rounded game. Displays terrific running instincts and overall awareness. Will pick and choose his spots, weaves through the defense and consistently finds the running lanes. Patiently waits for blocks develop, effectively follows them everywhere on the field and a multi-cut ball carrier that strings several moves together over the course of a carry. Runs with good lean, keeps his feet moving forward and tough to bring down. Shows a burst through the hole. Has an aggressive style, runs over defenders and picks up a lot of yardage off initial contact. Terrific receiver out of the backfield, extending and snatching the ball from the air. Sees the blitz and attacks blocking assignments.

Negative: Not a truly creative ball carrier that makes defenders miss. More of a one speed skill player and struggles beating defenders around the perimeter or running to daylight.

Analysis: Elliott is a terrific ball carrier as well as up legitimate pass catching threat out of the backfield. He possesses the skill necessary to line up as a feature back in the NFL and will be the only running back selected in the first round of the draft.

[esoxx]

Someone's going to get a hell of a LT with Tunsil & Stanley sitting there.

[Rastak]

Someone's going to get a hell of a LT with Tunsil & Stanley sitting there.


Yea, did some NFL team hack his twitter to get him to fall?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/28/tunsils-twitter-account-posts-bizarre-video-at-strange-time/

[pbmax]

Stopped driving to say:

Double reach! Thanks Jerry!

[Rastak]

1. JALEN RAMSEY | Florida State 6012|209 lbs|3JR Smyrna, Tenn. (Brentwood Academy) 10/24/1994 (age 21) #8
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st Round 2013: (14/14) 49 2.0 1.0 1 2 1 (11 FS, 3 CB) MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 3/8 | Hand: 09 1/2 | Wingspan: 79 5/8 2014: (14/14) 79 9.5 3.0 2 14 2 (STAR) COMBINE 40-YD: 4.41 | 10-YD: 1.51 | 20-YD: 2.57 | BP: 14 | VJ: 41.5 | BJ: 11’03” | SS: 4.18 | 3C: 6.94 2015: (12/12) 52 4.0 1.0 0 10 0 (CB) PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (40/40) 180 15.5 5.0 3 26 3

BACKGROUND: A five-star wide receiver and cornerback recruit out of high school, Ramsey was the top-rated player in the state of Tennessee and originally committed to USC, but switched to Florida State close to signing day – also highly recruited for track and field and played both sports in Tallahassee. He started from day one for the Seminoles, starting the 2013 season at cornerback before moving to free safety due to injury, recording 49 tackles, two passes defended and an interception. Ramsey started all 14 games at the “STAR” (hybrid nickelback) position as a sophomore and led the team with 14 passes defended and second in tackles for loss (9.5), earning First Team All-America and All-ACC honors. He moved to boundary cornerback as a junior in 2015 and although he didn’t record an interception, Ramsey led the Seminoles in passes defended (10) for the second straight season, earning First Team All-ACC honors. He elected to skip his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Tall, long-armed athlete with adequate muscle tone…long-striding athlete with terrific range, acceleration and closing speed…light feet and lateral agility to mirror at the line of scrimmage or stay in phase with receivers down the field…fluid change of direction skills, collecting himself with the natural flexibility to break down on the move…drops his hips and goes from 0-to-60 quickly…NFL-level eyes, vision and spatial awareness, seeing the field very well with astute patience and anticipation – knack for making plays…uses his length exceptionally to press, get his hands on the ball, wrap tackle and shed blocks – tough striker and looks to punish his target…effective dip and bend as an edge blitzer…extensive special teams experience as a gunner, playing on both kickoff and punt coverages – has two kickoff returns in his career (2/54/0)…playmaker with the ball in his hands, averaging 23.4 yards per return (5/117/2) on turnovers…standout track career at Florida State, winning the ACC long jump title (26-1.5) at the 2015 outdoor and indoor championships – also finished seventh in the 100-meters (10.61) and ran lead-off leg in 4x100 relay (39.28)…locked-in competitor with a fearless alpha-male personality – comfortable in his own skin and wants to be great…offers versatility with starting experience at both safety, cornerbacks and hybrid versions of both – very durable and didn’t miss a start in his three collegiate seasons (40 career starts).

WEAKNESSES: Room to add bulk and needs to develop his functional strength to better finish off-balance tackles and disengage blocks…room to clean up his tackling technique, patience and pad level – will get run over in the NFL if he doesn’t use better lower body bend…loves to bait throws, but will allow his eyes to spend too much time in the backfield, surrendering completions – needs to improve his discipline and timing in coverage…upright backpedal and lacks easy transitional movements due to his leggy athleticism…lacks a natural feel with his back to the ball – not the same player when asked to play man coverage at corner…playmaker with the ball, but questionable hands and needs to be a better finisher at the catch point, dropping several interceptions on his game film.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Ramsey was one of the best players on the Florida State roster the moment he arrived in Tallahassee, splitting his playing time all over the secondary for the Seminoles – experienced in zone, press and off-man coverage. If you combined a safety, cornerback and linebacker into one prospect, the result would look something like Ramsey, who was blessed with the inherent instincts and intuition along with the size/athletic profile to be a difference-maker. While versatile, his 2014 game film as a hybrid safety was better than his 2015 game film at boundary cornerback due to his long, easy strides to cover a lot of ground, but he can do everything you want in the secondary – also an impact player on special teams coverages. It’s rare to see defensive backs mentioned as worthy of the No. 1 overall selection in the NFL Draft, but Ramsey deserves it with his natural playmaking skills – can play cornerback (inside or outside), but his best NFL fit is between the hashes in a nickel or safety role.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/CB/Jalen-Ramsey
Jalen Ramsey
School: Florida State
Position: CB

Positive: Three-year starter awarded All-America honors since his sophomore season. Junior totals included 52 tackles and 10 pass breakups. ACC long jump champion. Nice sized defensive back with the ability to consistently shut down opponents. Strong, physical and defeats blocks to make plays against screen passes or the run. Engages receivers at the line scrimmage, mixes it up throughout the route and nicely adjusts to defend the pass. Easily runs downfield with opponents, plays with outstanding balance, body control as well as agility. Effective in zone coverage, explodes to the action and a strong open field tackler. Displays both closing and recovery speed and lays out to make the tough interception.

Negative: Usually a half step late on crossing patterns. Struggles tracking the pass in the air when his back is to the ball. Tends to do a lot of face guarding.

Analysis: Ramsey is a solid cornerback with great athleticism and a large upside. He must learn to make plays with his back to the ball but offers ability in zone, backed off the line of scrimmage and eventually bump and run coverage.

[Joemailman]

Baltimore has to take Tunsil.

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didn't they use to show highlights and explain why guys got drafted. now they just show them getting their picture taken and go to commercial till the next pick

nfln is fucking worthless

[Guiness]

Goff is the word.


edit: They probably would have already signed the guy except for dildo Goodell telling everyone to shut up for the big show. Unfortunately, like last year we'll probably four picks backed up. I'm beginning to dislike watching the NFL draft for the first time ever.

Leave to Roger to fuck it up.

+1 to that.

And what's wrong with the #1 team announcing the pick and that he's signed before the draft anyways???

And there goes Stanley to Baltimore. And they just said Tunsil is not off the board yet.

[Rastak]

2. RONNIE STANLEY | Notre Dame 6056|312 lbs|4JR Las Vegas, Nevada (Bishop Gorman) 3/18/1994 (age 22) #78
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 1st Round 2012: (2/0) Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 35 5/8 | Hand: 10 5/8 | Wingspan: 84 1/4 2013: (13/13) 13 RT COMBINE 40-YD: 5.20 | 10-YD: 1.79 | 20-YD: 3.03 | VJ: 28.5 | SS: 4.90 | 3C: 8.03 2014: (13/13) 13 LT PRO DAY BP: 24 | SS: 4.68 | 3C: 7.96 2015: (13/13) 13 LT Total: (41/39) 26 LT, 13 RT

BACKGROUND: A four-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Stanley narrowed his college choice to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Arkansas, choosing the Irish – also a standout prep player in basketball, his first love. He appeared in two games in 2012 as a true freshman before nagging injuries sidelined him, taking a redshirt to preserve a year of eligibility. With Zack Martin entrenched at left tackle, Stanley earned the starting right tackle job as a redshirt freshman in 2013 and started all 13 games, pushing incumbent starter Christian Lombard to guard. After Martin graduated, Stanley moved to the left side in 2014 and started all 13 games as a redshirt sophomore, earning Notre Dame Offensive Lineman of the Year honors. He returned to South Bend for his redshirt junior season in 2015 and again started all 13 games at left tackle, earning consensus All-American and Notre Dame Offensive Player of the Year honors. Stanley elected to give up his remaining year of eligibility to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Looks the part with an ideal frame, girth and length for the position…above average set-up quickness and movement skills to mirror rushers and control himself in space…doesn’t play tight, displaying natural flexibility and bend to open his hips and redirect – highly impressive for a 315-pound body…recovers well with terrific reactive athleticism to shuffle, sink and anchor while maintaining his wide base…rangy player who can get to the second level and block on the perimeter…proper pad level off the snap and looks to extend and punch with his reach…uses his long arms and natural lean to absorb and slow rushers, keeping them from his frame…has shown the ability to generate force and control defenders in the run game…generally works hard to finish with a physical nature…reliable character on and off the field…athletic bloodlines – father (Ron Sr.) played football at Division-II Tuskegee, mother (Juli) played college basketball at UCLA and younger brother (Robert) currently plays linebacker at Fresno State…durable starting experience, starting every game the last three seasons – 39 career starts (26 at left tackle, 13 at right tackle).

WEAKNESSES: High-cut and needs to consistently drop his hips off the snap…not a power player and lacks ideal functional strength for the position to move bodies in the run game or consistently anchor…rushers can too easily attack his body and put him on his heels…sloppy hand placement in his shuffle, struggling to keep his elbows inside to recoil and handle counter moves – ends up hugging and holding too often…suffers mechanical breakdowns throughout the course of a game and his focus too easily wavers – high number of false start penalties on his college résumé…can get to the second level with ease, but needs to be more aggressive in space, waiting for defenders instead of attacking…room to improve his blocking angles to consistently seal run lanes…too much finesse in his game and needs to bring the same aggressive mentality each snap – doesn’t play with consistent confidence and needs to be more of a glass-eater…didn’t miss a start at Notre Dame the last three seasons, but required surgery after the 2012 season due to a chronic elbow injury he suffered in high school.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Stanley started all 39 games the last three seasons for the Irish, first at right tackle and then taking over the left tackle duties for 2014 first round pick Zack Martin – the last time a player other than Martin or Stanley started at left tackle for Notre Dame was Oct. 2010. Boasting an ideal NFL frame for the position, Stanley is a dancing bear on the edges with God-given athleticism, long arms and above average feet to handle speed and mirror rushers in space. He still needs to develop functional power and fine-tune his mechanics before he’s ready for NFL snaps, but his upside and athletic skill-level for man his size makes him a very attractive NFL prospect, making his draft “value” different for each team – not a top-tier pro prospect due to his inconsistencies and effort issues, but his traits and potential at a position of priority will likely have him overdrafted in the top-10 picks.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/T/Ronnie-Stanley


Ronnie Stanley
School: Notre Dame
Position: T

Positive: Three-year starter that's lined up at both left and right tackle. Large, fundamentally sound offensive tackle best on the right side. Plays with a degree of quickness, gets leverage on opponents and strong at the point. Explosive, turns defenders from the line or controls them in pass protection. Very effective with his hands quickly getting them into opponents and properly places them. Keeps his head on a swivel, works well with line mates and a terrific position blocker.

Negative: Must improve his blocking balance. Struggles sliding off the edge. Cannot adjust to the blitz.

Analysis: Stanley was a consistent player at Notre Dame but has athletic and scheme limitations for the next level. Though Stanley offers starting potential he may never be the dominant tackle prospect many presently predict.

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6 picks, 53 minutes

about 9 minutes per pick

pakers due to draft just after 11 ct

[esoxx]

Good pick.

[esoxx]

didn't they use to show highlights and explain why guys got drafted. now they just show them getting their picture taken and go to commercial till the next pick

nfln is fucking worthless

They still do on ESPN. Just have to put up with Berman is all.

[Guiness]

This better not take fucking 10 minutes too.

Goodell probably told them not to pick until there was at most 5 minutes left on the clock.

They just showed Jaylon Smith's injury, first time I've seen that. MFer... *cringe*

[Maxie the Taxi]

didn't they use to show highlights and explain why guys got drafted. now they just show them getting their picture taken and go to commercial till the next pick

nfln is fucking worthlessred, your in regular season form! :bow:

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oh good god

ultimate draft fail from tunsil LOL

[esoxx]

Way to hit that bong Larry LOL

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if the pick is in then fucking announce it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I watched a couple of games where Stanley looked like the best OL in the draft, but he a couple of other games where he struggled (although one was against Clemson). I think Jacksonville got a steal. Props to my boy, Carson Wentz.

[Striker]

Faux John Madden ‏@FauxJohnMadden 21s21 seconds ago
With the 7th pick, the 49ers select Jim Harbaugh, Head Coach, Michigan

[Rastak]

if the pick is in then fucking announce it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who is more frustrated this year and last, you or me? We should have a poll......:sad:

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked Bosa much more as a 4-3 DE than 3-4 OLB, so that was a head scratcher for me. Although I like Elliott, there's no way I would have taken him over some other guys that were on the board.

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Way to hit that bong Larry LOL

it was a pretty cool smoking device

might need to go looking for a gumi mask

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/DE/Deforest-Buckner


Deforest Buckner
School: Oregon
Position: DE

Positive: Three-year starter awarded All-America and all-Conference honors last season after career totals of 83 tackles, 17 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks. Also broke up 5 passes. Large, athletic defensive line prospect with great upside potential. Strong, explosive and powerful. Double teamed by opponents but holds his ground and rarely off his feet. Bulrushes blockers up the field, gets penetration and consistently plays with leverage. Forceful but at the same time fluid moving in every direction of the field. Works hard defending the run and shows the ability to pursue down the line of scrimmage. Keeps his feet and hands active throughout the action. Big enough and strong enough to split double-team blocks and makes a large number of plays in the opponents backfield.

Negative: Possesses more of a short burst and lacks great closing speed. Must do more than rely on sheer power to get off blocks.

Analysis: Buckner was highly rated coming into the season then met expectations in 2015. He's displayed consistent progress on the field and is a three down defender that can lineup at end in a three-man front or tackle in a four-man line.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would take Wentz over Hundley.

I would to, but I think he's the only QB in this draft that I would.

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Who is more frustrated this year and last, you or me? We should have a poll......:sad:

my stress level is already sky high, i should probably be skipping the draft all together

[Rastak]

2. DeFOREST BUCKNER | Oregon 6070|291 lbs|4SR Waianae, Hawaii (Punahou) 3/17/1992 (age 24) #44
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 1st Round 2012: (13/2) 29 2.5 1.0 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 34 3/8 | Hand: 11 3/4 | Wingspan: 79 3/4 2013: (13/8) 39 3.5 2.5 1 COMBINE 40-YD: 5.05 | 10-YD: 1.77 | 20-YD: 2.96 | VJ: 32 | BJ: 09’08” | SS: 4.47 | 3C: 7.51 2014: (15/15) 81 13.0 4.0 1 PRO DAY BP: 21 2015: (13/13) 83 17.0 10.5 0 Total: (54/38) 232 36.0 17.0 2

BACKGROUND: A four-star defensive end recruit out of high school, DeForest “DeFo” Buckner narrowed his college choice to Oregon, UCLA and Cal, choosing the Ducks – also a four-year letterwinner in basketball. He saw playing time as a true freshman in 2012 (two starts) with 29 tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss and 1.0 sack, earning the team’s top award for a first-year player. Buckner saw added playing in 2013, starting the final eight games and recording 39 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks. He started all 15 games in 2014 as a junior and led Oregon with 13.0 tackles for loss, adding 81 tackles and 4.0 sacks to earn Second Team All-Pac 12 honors. Buckner passed on the NFL to return for his senior season and had his most productive season (13 starts), recording a team-best 17.0 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks and finishing second with 83 tackles to earn Oregon Defensive MVP (voted on by his teammates) and the Pac-12’s Morris Trophy (voted on by opposing Pac-12 offensive linemen). He also earned First Team All-Pac 12 honors and was named the Pat Tillman Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year (second Duck to win the award, joining Haloti Ngata in 2005). Buckner received an invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl, but chose not to accept.

STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, long frame and growth potential to add bulk…massive wingspan and uses his length to unglue himself from blocks or create spacing at the point of attack, locking out, setting the edge and preventing angle blocks…quickly stacks and sheds, using pop in his hands to work off contact…fluid lower body and athletic footwork to move laterally and break down in tight spaces…plays low for a man his size with good bend, making it tough for blockers to attack his chest…good chase skills and hustle to catch ballcarriers in pursuit…uses his upper body and initial momentum to generate push off the snap…rarely met by single blocks, attracting double-teams or chips…uses his length to swallow ballcarriers as a tackler and drive them backwards…long-limbed to obstruct passing lanes (10 career passes defended)…quiet, reserved personality off the field, but warrior-mentality on the field, giving full-go whenever he steps on the field – aggressive competitor…versatile experience, lining up inside and outside in Oregon’s multiple fronts – also saw action on special teams coverages…durable starting experience with 38 career starts, including the last 36 straight.

WEAKNESSES: Leverage can be an issue at times due to his height…struggles to recoil and reset himself after his initial move stalls…still learning how to set up his pass rush sequence and counter moves…only average snap anticipation…needs to know his limitations as a pass rusher and not sacrifice the edge…still learning how to use his hands and consistently convert speed to power – more of a reactor as a pass rusher…inconsistent tackler on the move, losing balance in space and not timing his hits…want to see more of a killer instinct on each snap…minor durability concerns – sprained right wrist that required a soft cast (Nov. 2015).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Buckner played primarily as a defensive end in Oregon’s 3-4 base, lining up as the four-, five- or six-technique, but also saw snaps inside in the A-gap or at nose tackle – fits any defensive scheme and offers versatility inside and outside. He plays with explosive movements and terrific body control for his size, flashing heavy hands and initial power to be a disruptive force, although he’s still learning how to use his hands and string together rush moves. Buckner showed steady improvement at Oregon and became more of a consistent playmaker as a senior – Stanford head coach David Shaw described Buckner best when he said: “If you’re building a defensive lineman, that’s what you build.” He should get even better with NFL coaching and has potential to be a long-term pro starter, projecting better than his former teammate Arik Armstead (17th overall pick to the 49ers in the 2015 NFL Draft) – scheme-versatile to play multiple positions in both even and odd fronts, but his best position is at five-technique in a 3-4 base.

[Rastak]

my stress level is already sky high, i should probably be skipping the draft all together

I'm strongly considering it myself.

[esoxx]

Browns trade down. It's like they know what they're doing. Or something.

[Rastak]

Titans trade up with Browns....

[esoxx]

I would to, but I think he's the only QB in this draft that I would.

Agree

[Rastak]

Browns trade down. It's like they know what they're doing. Or something.


Not the worst move....

[Cheesehead Craig]

Browns trade down. It's like they know what they're doing. Or something.

They're going to have to make a pick some time.

[Rastak]

Damn, Conklin, I liked him.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Smart pick by TN

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/T/Jack-Conklin


Jack Conklin
School: Michigan State
Position: T

Positive: Three-year starter who walked onto the Michigan State football team then went on to win All-America and all-Conference honors the past 2 seasons. Efficient, well sized blocker best on the strong side. Patient, stays square and keeps defenders in front of him. Displays terrific blocking intelligence, sees the field and works well with linemates. Technically sound, makes outstanding use of angles and for the most part blocks with proper pad level. Effectively uses his hands to knock pass rushers from their angle of attack, uses all his assets to their maximum and flashes power as a run blocker.

Negative: Lacks classic footwork off the edge. Marginally effective blocking in motion. Gets beaten around the edge by speed rushers.

Analysis: Conklin is a smart, tough offensive tackle prospect with terrific run blocking power and enough skill to stop opponents as a pass rusher. He lacks great athleticism and upside but can start at the next level and have a long career.

[Rastak]

3. JACK CONKLIN | Michigan State 6056|308 lbs|4JR Plainwell, Mich. (Plainwell) 8/17/1994 (age 21) #74
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2012: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 35 | Hand: 10 3/8 | Wingspan: 83 1/4 2013: (14/13) 10 LT, 3 RT COMBINE 40-YD: 5.00 | 10-YD: 1.76 | 20-YD: 2.92 | BP: 25 | VJ: 30 | BJ: 08’07” | SS: 4.57 | 3C: 7.63 2014: (13/13) 13 LT PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2015: (12/12) 12 LT Total: (39/38) 35 LT, 3 RT

BACKGROUND: A no-star offensive line recruit out of high school, Conklin was under-recruited and his only offer was to Division-II Wayne State. He planned to play the 2012 season at Fork Union Military Academy until Michigan State entered the picture, inviting him to walk on with the promise that he would go on scholarship in the spring of 2013. After redshirting in 2012, Conklin started the first three games at right tackle before moving to left tackle the rest of the season, earning Freshman All-America honors. He started all 13 games at left tackle as a sophomore in 2014, earning Second Team All-Big Ten honors. Conklin missed two games in 2015 as a junior, starting 12 games at left tackle and earning First Team All-Big Ten and All-America honors. He decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Well-built with excellent core strength and center of gravity to stay balanced through contact…wide base with lower body power to control the point of attack…strong upper body and hands to jolt and steer defenders as a run blocker…works hard to keep spacing with his reach…controlled in space and picks up edge speed, sinking his hips to anchor…rarely plays in reverse…smart and instinctive, understanding protections and using his eyes to pick up extra pressures – natural sense of his surroundings…feisty and always looking for someone to block, displaying a dependable playing temperament…accomplished three year starter with experience on both sides of the line of scrimmage (38 career starts)…athletic bloodlines – father (Darren, also Jack’s high school head coach) was a walk-on offensive tackle at Michigan (1986); mother (Jennifer) was a swimmer at Michigan; grandfather (Ron Jackson) was a basketball star at Western Michigan, but chose pro baseball, playing seven seasons in the MLB (1954-60).

WEAKNESSES: Adequate length, but doesn’t play like it, allowing rushers into his body at times in an attempt to control them…not a light mover and slow to recover once rushers gain a step…tends to get his feet tied up in his outside kickslide, lunging and falling off balance…will open up prematurely and struggle in space…not a rangy player and too often late to climb to the second level…technique tends to break down vs. speed…medical reports are important – suffered a left knee sprain (Sept. 2015) and missed two games.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Conklin was a late bloomer and couldn’t garner any attention as a high school recruit, but worked his way to a scholarship at Michigan State and is now a legitimate first round prospect – would be the first Spartans’ offensive lineman drafted in the opening round since Tony Mandarich (1989). Conklin is powerful and quick-minded to read/react in a flash and dominate in tight spaces, but he doesn’t have the quick-twitch body control to consistently mirror in space. He has some athletic limitations and will struggle with edge speed at times, but no one is going through him due to his wide base and contact balance – always in a ready position and rarely seems surprised, which compensates for his lack of elite quickness in pass protection. Conklin is well-coached, physical and a natural competitor, which makes him NFL ready from day one – starting right tackle or guard as a rookie with upside to move to left tackle once he adjusts to the speed of the pro game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Damn, Conklin, I liked him.

Me too. Had him as a top 8 player in the draft.

[wist43]

I liked Conklin okay, but not in the top 10 - wow!!!

[Joemailman]

Tunsil not so smart.

http://deadspin.com/laremy-tunsil-s-account-tweets-out-gas-mask-smoking-vid-1773721598

[Rastak]

Bears trade up I see.

[esoxx]

Not the worst move....

Not at all. Appears they finally have a GM who understands the cupboard is bare and he needs to gather multiple young talent via the draft.

Assuming he knows who to pick.

[ThunderDan]

Bears traded up. Who do they want?

[esoxx]

A lot of good tackles in this draft, including Decker from OSU. Would be surprised if he lasts beyond 15.

[Guiness]

Faux John Madden ‏@FauxJohnMadden 21s21 seconds ago
With the 7th pick, the 49ers select Jim Harbaugh, Head Coach, Michigan

LOL!

[ThunderDan]

I'd laugh if they drafted a QB.

[Rastak]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Bears traded a 4th-round pick, and 11th overall, to TB to move up to No. 9.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Lot of trading already. Wouldn't be surprised if there were about 3-4 more this round.

[red]

did rodger just call them the chicago bores?

[Striker]

Aditi Kinkhabwala @AKinkhabwala
Ravens took Tunsil OFF their board after that video, member of organization tells me. OFF.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bears traded up. Who do they want?

They probably think Elliott is still available

[Rastak]

Can't they do this before the draft?

[ThunderDan]

Lot of trading already. Wouldn't be surprised if there were about 3-4 more this round.

There have already been 5. Phi twice, LA, Tenn, Chi.

[red]

make the fucking pick, don't walk off the stage dickhead

[red]

goddell has to bring kids out on the stage with him and women so he doesn't get booed so much

[red]

dudes a bean poll

[Rastak]

7. LEONARD FLOYD | Georgia 6055|244 lbs|3JR Eastman, Ga. (Dodge County) 9/8/1992 (age 23) #84
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2012: Hargrave Military Academy MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 1/8 | Hand: 10 1/8 | Wingspan: 80 5/8 2013: (13/8) 55 9.5 6.5 2 (OLB) COMBINE 40-YD: 4.60 | 10-YD: 1.59 | 20-YD: 2.68 | VJ: 39.5 | BJ: 10’07” 2014: (12/11) 55 8.5 6.0 3 (OLB) PRO DAY BP: 35 | SS: 4.32 | 3C: 7.18 2015: (13/13) 74 10.5 4.5 0 (10 OLB, 3 ILB) Total: (38/32) 184 28.5 17.0 5

BACKGROUND: A four-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Floyd was recruited by in-state Georgia very early and committed to the Bulldogs as a junior, sticking to his pledge over offers from Alabama, Florida and others. Due to academic issues, he spent a year at Hargrave Military Academy for the 2012 season before arriving in Athens. Floyd started eight games in 2013 as a freshman, recording 55 tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss and a team-best 6.5 sacks, earning Freshman All-SEC honors. He started 11 games as a sophomore and was voted the team’s defensive MVP with 55 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss and 6.0 sacks. Floyd had his best season in 2015 as a junior, leading the team in tackles for loss (10.5) and sacks (4.5) to earn Second Team All-SEC honors. He elected to forego his final season of eligibility and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Tall frame with long arms and room to add weight…above average athleticism with excellent movement skills and long-striding pursuit speed…screams off the edge and looks like a track athlete bending the edge, staying low and flattening his path to the quarterback – very light with a seamless spin move…natural agility to make quick cuts to avoid contact, cross the face of blockers and knife through gaps…very good chase range with the loose hips to stick with receivers in coverage…improved awareness vs. the run to hold contain and string runs to the sideline…active arms to keep blockers busy…versatile starting experience, splitting his snaps inside, outside and at the hybrid “STAR” position in nickel packages – coaches mixed and matched him based on the opponents and situation…doesn’t take plays off and genuinely loves playing the game…leader in the locker room with a low-key personality, but strong passion for the game…productive career with 28.5 tackles for loss and 52 quarterback hurries over 32 starts.

WEAKNESSES: Lean bone structure with twig limbs, thin torso and concerns about how much weight he can add – looks like A.J. Green in his Georgia uniform, which isn’t a positive quality for a pass rusher…below average functional strength, struggling to generate movement at the point of attack or convert speed to power…too easily controlled on the edges and can be eliminated by blockers when he doesn’t effectively use his length…core strength issues, struggling to maintain his balance through contact…needs to develop his hand tactics and pass rush arsenal – better blitzer than rusher right now…long arms to obstruct passing lanes, but lacks the awareness to take advantage in this area (only four passes defended in his career)…football instincts are still in the development phase…older prospect and will be a 24-year old rookie…medical reports are important with his past shoulder issues – required multiple surgeries, missing the bowl game (Dec. 2014) and 2015 spring practice.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Floyd lined up predominantly at strongside linebacker in Georgia’s 3-4 base, but also filled in at inside linebacker and as a hybrid “STAR” player, dropping into coverage – has experience in both two and three point stances. A highly intriguing size/length/athleticism prospect, he shows the impressive skills to stab, dip and flatten around the edge, maintaining his balance without losing speed to the pocket, but doesn’t do this consistently. Floyd is deadly in space, but his lack of functional strength and growth potential are glaring concerns – once blockers make contact, he’s usually shut down. Georgia’s coaches rave about his natural ability and selfless versatility, plugging him at different spots in the front-seven to attack match-ups. Similar to Barkevious Mingo when he came out of LSU, Floyd is one of the best athletes in this draft class, but not one of the best football players and he’ll need protected in the NFL, likely as an off-ball linebacker and subpackage rusher – day two prospect, but natural athleticism will likely have him overdrafted in the top-25.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/OLB/Leonard-Floyd


Leonard Floyd
School: Georgia
Position: OLB

Positive: Three-year starter awarded all-Conference honors as a junior after posting a career-best 74 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss as well as adding 4.5 sacks. Freshman totals included a career-best 6.5 sacks as well as 22 quarterback pressures. Disruptive front seven prospect with a versatile game. Fluid, smooth moving in every direction and plays with great balance. Forceful up the field, goes after opponents and shows a closing burst. Easily changes direction, breaks down well and tough to knock off his feet. Effective in pursuit, fast in a straight line as well as laterally and quickly gets outside the numbers to make plays on the ball handler. Terrific pass rusher that can bend off the edge, exploit tackles and creates a lot of havoc behind the line of scrimmage.

Negative: A bit of a high cut athlete and has his legs taken from him. More of a long strider. Must learn more moves and become quicker disengaging from blocks. Has a streaky game.

Analysis: When hitting on all cylinders Floyd proved himself to be a three down defender effective in all areas of the game. He's a terrific prospect with tremendous upside and someone that will only improve as he physically matures and completes his game.

[Teamcheez1]

Did the Bears really need to trade up for that pick?

4.5 sacks in his final college season.

[Rastak]

"In the trade that allowed the Titans to move up from No. 15 and select Jack Conklin at No. 8, the Browns got a third-round pick (No. 76) in this year’s draft and a second-round pick in 2017."

[red]

a 240 pound edge rushing specialist with only 4 saks last year

good pick bores

[Rastak]

Did the Bears really need to trade up for that pick?

4.5 sacks in his final college season.

True dat.

[Joemailman]

This would have been the Myles Jack pick if healthy. I wonder how far he'll slide.

[Teamcheez1]

a 240 pound edge rushing specialist with only 4 saks last year

good pick bores

They had to replace their pass-rusher extraordinaire Shea McClellin.

[esoxx]

Did the Bears really need to trade up for that pick?

4.5 sacks in his final college season.

That's why they're the Bears.

[ThunderDan]

Did the Bears really need to trade up for that pick?

4.5 sacks in his final college season.

They only traded up a handful of spots. Got to assume he would he been there without a trade.

[Rastak]

They only traded up a handful of spots. Got to assume he would he been there without a trade.


Must have thought the Giants would take a LB and Floyd specifically.

[esoxx]

If Laremy Tunsil and his gas mask bong falls to 27, do the Packers take him?

[Rastak]

If Laremy Tunsil and his gas mask bong falls to 27, do the Packers take him?

I would were I Ted, but if was drafting for Minny he'd not make it past 23.

[Joemailman]

Did the Bears really need to trade up for that pick?

4.5 sacks in his final college season.

Some people had Giants taking Floyd. Probably why Bears did it.

[Bretsky]

it was a pretty cool smoking device

might need to go looking for a gumi mask


BRING HIM TO GREEN BAY ???

[ThunderDan]

If Laremy Tunsil and his gas mask bong falls to 27, do the Packers take him?

That would be a tough call to pull the trigger.

[Rastak]

4. ELI APPLE | Ohio State 6005|199 lbs|3SO Voorhees, N.J. (Eastern) 8/9/1995 (age 20) #13
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2013: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 31 3/8 | Hand: 09 3/8 | Wingspan: 76 3/8 2014: (15/14) 53 5.5 0.0 1 13 3 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.40 | 10-YD: 1.53 | 20-YD: 2.59 | BP: 13 2015: (13/13) 33 2.0 0.0 0 9 1 PRO DAY SS: 4.08 | 3C: 7.00 Total: (28/27) 86 7.5 0.0 1 22 4

BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Apple received offers from Alabama, Notre Dame and several others, but he committed to Ohio State during his junior year – changed his last name from “Woodard” to “Apple” his senior year in high school, taking the last name of his stepfather who raised him. After redshirting in 2013, Apple earned a starting job as a redshirt freshman in 2014 and finished second on the team in passes defended (13), adding 53 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss and three interceptions. He started all 13 games as sophomore in 2015 and again finished second on the team in passes defended (eight), adding 33 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss and one interception to earn Second Team All-Big Ten honors. Despite two years of eligibility remaining, Apple decided to leave school early for the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Tall, athletic frame with long arms and solid build…coordinated athlete to bracket receivers downfield and consistently stay in phase…controlled hop and footwork in his transition, using clean hip motion to mirror in man coverage…disruptive and uses his length to keep receivers uncomfortable…highly aggressive at the catch point with a “my ball” mentality…competitive and not shy to take on blocks or throw his body around as a run defender…physical once engaged to shed blockers on the perimeter…improved route anticipation and field/sideline leverage while in man coverage…tough-minded with a short memory – doesn’t let negative plays linger…survivor mentality and well-traveled – born in Philadelphia, lived in Ghana (birthplace of his mother) for two years and then to Brooklyn…battle-tested with experience in man and zone coverage – average production with 22 passes defended and four interceptions in 27 career starts.

WEAKNESSES: Too hands-on downfield and lacks savvy at the top of routes…obvious target for penalties due to undisciplined hand placement, grabbing too much cloth…experienced in press coverage at the line of scrimmage, but needs to improve his balance and jam technique…tends to open his hips too early and struggles to recognize routes from bail position, creating too much of a cushion and allowing too many comeback completions…plays too fast in pursuit, leading to overaggressive angles and missed tackles – bad habit of lowering his eyes and making the tackle attempt more difficult…needs to improve his feel for the ball when back is to the line of scrimmage, struggling with timing…minor durability concerns – missed one start due to a hamstring injury (Nov. 2014)…lazy habits when he arrived in Columbus and needs hard coaching in the NFL – wasn’t at “full capacity” with his energy due to an iron deficiency that requires daily medication.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter at cornerback, Apple earned a starting role as a redshirt freshman and held his own the last two seasons, playing both man and zone coverages. He possesses several traits for the cornerback position that translate well to the next level with his size, length and athleticism. Apple isn’t afraid to be physical and contest at the top of routes, but he’s still learning what he can get away with and what will draw flags – desired length for the position, but NFL teams will be forced to live and die with his hands-on contact while he figures it out. He is also an aggressive run defender, but needs to be more measured with his break down mechanics as a tackler. Apple is still very young and with that comes on-field discipline issues, but he consistently stays in phase in press or off-man coverage and has appealing upside to be an impact NFL starter – a mid-to-late first round prospect, who could sneak into the top-15 picks due to his potential and coachability.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/CB/Eli-Apple


Eli Apple
School: Ohio State
Position: CB

Positive: Three-year starter who posted a career-best 53 tackles as a sophomore after 17 pass breakups the prior year. Aggressive shutdown cornerback coming off a disappointing season. Athletic, fluid in transition and plays with excellent balance and body control. Quick flipping his hips off the line, stays with receivers out of breaks and has a burst to the action. Effectively reads or anticipates the play, tracks the deep pass in the air and positions himself to make plays on the ball. Easily runs downfield with opponents, battles throughout the action and mixes it up attempting to defend the throw. Stays with receivers on crossing routes, displays a sense of timing and gets vertical to defend the throw. Works to get off blocks and make plays up the field against the run or screen passes.

Negative: Seemed off his game at times last season and was overmatched. Gives up a fair number of receptions in the underneath field. Instincts have been questioned by some

Analysis: Apple played like a top 10 pick his first two seasons with the Buckeyes then took a step back last season as a junior. At the top of his game he's a shutdown cornerback with immediate starting potential at the next level and the ability to play in a variety of defensive schemes.

[esoxx]

I would were I Ted, but if was drafting for Minny he'd not make it past 23.

Too good to pass up at that stage of first round.

[Cheesehead Craig]

3rd Buckeye in the top 10

[Rastak]

Tunsil, Jack, Treadwell, Doctson still on the board......

[esoxx]

That would be a tough call to pull the trigger.

It would. But a LT that skilled protecting a Franchise QB's blindside? Intriguing

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Laremy Tunsil and his gas mask bong falls to 27, do the Packers take him?

His agent just said that the account was hacked and it's not Tunsil

[red]

If Laremy Tunsil and his gas mask bong falls to 27, do the Packers take him?

lets see, never healthy. seems to have multiple troubles with the law, a liar, and idiot

i'm going with no

[Joemailman]

Some mocks had Tampa Bay taking Hargreaves.

[Rastak]

Mary Kay Cabott tweets a pick of Manziel looking half in the bag in a bar watching the draft.......aye yi yi

[Guiness]

An Apple goes. Gotta feel for Tunsil, especially if his account was hacked. This little stunt drops him out of the top 10, likely cost him millions. Stanley I'll buy, but is there any chance he goes after Conklin if this doesn't happen?

[red]

and the fucker is wearing a giant gold rope around is neck like a greesy 80's wop

[Rastak]

2. VERNON HARGREAVES | Florida 5104|204 lbs|3JR Tampa, Fla. (Wharton) 6/3/1995 (age 20) #1
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st Round 2013: (12/10) 38 0.0 0.0 0 14 3 MEASUREABLES Arm: 30 5/8 | Hand: 08 3/4 | Wingspan: 73 1/8 2014: (12/12) 50 2.0 0.0 0 16 3 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.50 | 10-YD: 1.58 | 20-YD: 2.62 | BP: 15 | VJ: 39 | BJ: 10’10” | SS: 3.98 2015: (13/13) 33 1.0 0.0 1 8 4 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (37/35) 121 3.0 0.0 1 38 10

BACKGROUND: A five-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Vernon Hargreaves III was arguably the top prep player in the 2013 signing class, narrowing his college choices to Florida, Clemson, Miami, Notre Dame and Vanderbilt before choosing the Gators – standout track athlete in high school, including a person-best 11.10 in the 100-meter dash. Hargreaves saw early playing time and started the final 10 games as a true freshman, recording 14 passes defended and three interceptions, earning First Team All-SEC and All-America honors. He started all 12 games as a sophomore in 2014, leading the team with 16 passes defended and three interceptions, earning unanimous First Team All-SEC honors. Hargreaves was a finalist for the Thorpe Award in 2015 as a junior, finishing with 33 tackles, eight passes defended and a personal-best four interceptions to earn First Team All-SEC and All-American honors. He chose to skip his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Adequate build for the position…above average athleticism with controlled play speed and footwork…good drive mechanics and throttles down well to make stops…smooth pedal and quick feet in his transition to shadow receivers – body control and vision always in sync…excellent secondary burst to close on routes and as a blitzer…observant and understands play indicators, recognizing things quickly to react…usually very good timing, understanding how to properly bait throws…tougher, stronger and more physical than he looks with the ability to finish tackles by himself…leverages the field well and understands angles…innate competitive nature and very aggressive at the catch point – NFL-level ballskills and return skills, averaging 19.1 yards per INT return (10/191/0)…plays with contagious swagger and rarely gets bored – confident player and always in high spirits…possesses the requisite toughness (mentally and physically) for the next level…father (Vernon Jr.) was an All-American linebacker at UConn and now a long-time football coach – currently the linebackers coach at Arkansas…durable starting experience in the SEC (35 career starts) with 38 passes defended and 10 interceptions in his career – also played on special teams coverages with some kickoff and punt return experience.

WEAKNESSES: Shorter than ideal and his lack of length and size will show up at times…needs to continue and develop his functional strength to be a more sound run defender – will get himself in trouble trying to rip the ball out instead of making the sure tackle…needs to improve his cushion and spacing in coverage, allowing his eyes to spend too much time in the backfield and losing track of his man…needs to do a better job getting his head turned to locate…needs to keep his aggression in check to avoid late hits…limited return experience on special teams…minor durability concerns, missing one game due to a leg injury (Sept. 2015) and playing through several nagging issues that need investigated further.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Hargreaves quickly established himself as one of the SEC’s top defensive backs as a freshman and played at a high level the last three seasons, often against the top opposing wide receiver, lining up inside and outside for the Gators. The son of a coach, he grew up around football and plays the game with a competitive appetite, coaching up his teammates and taking on a leadership role at a young age. Hargreaves plays with a decisive reactor to maintain proper positioning and make plays on the ball (38 career passes defended), but his timing and spacing have room for improvement. Although he has only ordinary size, Hargreaves is above average in three main areas for the position: play speed, instincts and competitive toughness, similar to another for Florida cornerback, Joe Haden – Hargreaves is a top-20 prospect and first-year NFL starter capable of both press and off coverage.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/CB/Vernon-Hargreaves


Vernon Hargreaves
School: Florida
Position: CB

Positive: Three-year starter awarded varying degrees of All-America and all-Conference honors since his freshman season. Totals last year included 33 tackles, 4 INT's and 4 PBUs. Sophomore numbers included 13 pass breakups. Explosive cover corner most effective in bump and run coverage. Quick releasing with opponents off the line scrimmage, loses nothing in transition and displays great anticipation of pass defenses. Instinctive, effectively diagnoses plays and gets his head back around to track passes in the air. Easily stays on the receivers hip out of breaks, displays a nice move to the ball and has an explosive closing burst. Competes against larger defenders and does not back down to a challenge. Possesses good hands for the interception. Works hard to get off blocks, defends the run and plays with a nasty attitude.

Negative: Allows a cushion at the line of scrimmage, marginally effective backed off the line and gives up a good amount of underneath receptions. Really best down the field and struggles covering opponents on crossing patterns.

Analysis: Hargreaves was a consistent force on the field and a cornerback rarely challenged by opponents. He's an exceptional athlete with terrific ball skills but lacks the height, arm length and hand size many teams want in a starter. He's comparable to former Gator Joe Haden and offers starting potential in the right system.

[Joemailman]

Any idea on the Saints? They need a lot.

[Cheesehead Craig]

They'll go DL

[red]

espn seems to be spending all their time ripping all the players drafted

[Rastak]

Any idea on the Saints? They need a lot.


From ESPN

New Orleans Saints: Anyone who can help the defense. I suppose I'd rank defensive end first, outside linebacker second, then a three-way tie between cornerback, defensive tackle and safety. The Saints could use more pass rush opposite top DE Cameron Jordan, and they need an athletic outside linebacker capable of dropping back in coverage. But New Orleans can make room for an impact player at any position, as it continues to rebuild a unit that has ranked 31st in yards allowed in each of the past two years and just shattered the NFL record for most TD passes allowed in a season. -- Mike Triplett

[Joemailman]

They'll go DL

Kevin Dodd?

[Rastak]

From PFF:

9. Chicago Bears: Leonard Floyd | Grade: B+
(Pick from Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

The Bears traded up to get a versatile edge defender in Leonard Floyd. He’s been a hot name in recent weeks as his long frame, athleticism and on-field production had both 3-4 and 4-3 teams intrigued. Perhaps most impressive about Floyd is his transition to a more traditional linebacker role last year as he took to it quickly and added even more value to his game.

Ultimately, he will be judged on his ability to rush the passer, and he ranked fifth in the class with a +28.9 rush grade last year. He also ranked fifth against the run at +18.4, so that all-around game and positional versatility will make him a key cog in Chicago’s defensive resurgence.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Kevin Dodd?

Rankins

[Joemailman]

4 of 5 mocks at CBS have Saints taking Rankins.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/DT/Sheldon-Rankins


Sheldon Rankins
School: Louisville
Position: DT

Positive: Two-year starter awarded all-Conference honors as a senior after 58 tackles, 13 tackles for loss and 6 sacks. Large, relatively athletic defensive tackle with the ability to be a three down player. Bends his knees, blocks with proper pad level and rarely off his feet. Explosive, holds his ground or stands up blockers. Gets a lot of force and momentum going up the field, bull rushes opponents off the line and can be tough to stop. Gets his hands up and effectively uses them to protect himself. Displays a good change of direction, moves well about the field and gets down the line of scrimmage or outside the box in pursuit. Occupies blockers and creates opportunities for teammates.

Negative: Average pass rusher. Shows some stiffness in his game.

Analysis: Rankins has been a terrific player the past two years, showing progress in all areas of his game. He offers possibilities as a traditional tackle and can even lineup as a two gap end in certain systems. Rankins should quickly break into a starting lineup then immediately produce in the right system.

[pittstang5]

Good Pick for the Saints

[Rastak]

1. SHELDON RANKINS | Louisville 6011|299 lbs|4SR Covington, Ga. (Eastside) 4/2/1994 (age 22) #98
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 1st Round 2012: (10/2) 7 1.0 1.0 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 3/8 | Hand: 09 3/8 | Wingspan: 79 3/4 2013: (10/1) 15 4.0 3.0 1 COMBINE 40-YD: 5.03 | 10-YD: 1.73 | 20-YD: 2.89 | BP: 28 | VJ: 34.5 | BJ: 09’10” | SS: 4.59 | 3C: 7.44 2014: (13/13) 53 13.5 8.0 1 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2015: (13/13) 58 13.0 6.0 0 Total: (46/29) 133 31.5 18.0 2

BACKGROUND: A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Rankins considered offers from Nebraska, Mississippi State and Wake Forest, but committed to Charlie Strong’s Louisville program. He saw part-time playing time as a freshman and sophomore, starting three games his first two seasons and combining for 4.0 sacks. Rankins earned a full-time starting job at left defensive end as a junior and led the team in tackles for loss (13.5) and sacks (8.0), adding 53 tackles to earn Third Team All-ACC honors. He started all 13 games in 2015 as a senior and finished second on the team in tackles for loss (13.0) and sacks (6.0), earning Second Team AllACC honors. Rankins accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS: Meaty thighs, broad shoulders and proportionate thickness…good snap quickness to attack gaps and push the pocket…generates force with initial step and heavy-hands to load up and jar blockers off balance…grip strength to set the edge and hold the point vs. power…instinctive vision to anticipate and accurately track the ball, seeing through blockers…redirects well for his size with the hip action to collect himself on the move and adjust to moving targets – breaks down well in smaller spaces and stays on his feet…improved pass rush skills and production (18.0 career sacks)…uses his length and large hands to knock down throws at the line of scrimmage (six career passes defended and two interceptions)…determined chaser with the hustle to catch ballcarriers from behind…well-versed at several defensive line techniques in multiple fronts…senior captain and his coaches speak highly of his work ethic, playing temperament and focus – graduated in three-anda-half years (Dec. 2015).

WEAKNESSES: Frame near maxed out with some bad weight in his midsection…often the last lineman to move off the ball and needs to improve his snap anticipation…active hands, but still developing his pass rush moves and needs to improve his punch placement…doesn’t always rush with a plan and lacks consistent move-to-move transition…will stand up at times and needs to play with lower pad level…minor durability concerns – missed second half vs. Wake Forest (Oct. 2015) due to a leg injury.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter at defensive end in Louisville’s hybrid 3-4 scheme, Rankins also saw playing time at nose tackle, one-technique and three-technique in the Cardinals’ multiple fronts. He is a balanced athlete for his size with the physical presence and hand strength to press blockers off his frame, create separation and disrupt the backfield. Rankins keeps his eyes trained on the ball and not only prefers to use his hands, but he also understands different tactics to shed and be a playmaker vs. the run and pass. He has Pro Bowl potential and should see early playing time as a NFL rookie, competing for immediate starting reps – attractive prospect in the top-20 range due to his versatility to fit any scheme and stay on the field for every down.

[Rastak]

From ESPN:

Miami Dolphins: The Dolphins need playmaking linebackers in the worst way. All three starters -- Kelvin Sheppard, Koa Misi and Jelani Jenkins -- struggled against the run, where Miami ranked 28th last season, and couldn't consistently cover tight ends and slot receivers. A stud middle or outside linebacker in the draft would be beneficial. Unfortunately for Miami, the best first-round fits at the position have injury concerns. Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith and UCLA linebacker Myles Jack are both coming off major knee injuries and might be too risky at No. 8 overall. -- James Walker

[Joemailman]

From ESPN:

Miami Dolphins: The Dolphins need playmaking linebackers in the worst way. All three starters -- Kelvin Sheppard, Koa Misi and Jelani Jenkins -- struggled against the run, where Miami ranked 28th last season, and couldn't consistently cover tight ends and slot receivers. A stud middle or outside linebacker in the draft would be beneficial. Unfortunately for Miami, the best first-round fits at the position have injury concerns. Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith and UCLA linebacker Myles Jack are both coming off major knee injuries and might be too risky at No. 8 overall. -- James Walker

Darron Lee might make sense here.

[pittstang5]

anyone know where we were at this time last year. This seems to be dragging. I'm bored.

[Rastak]

Hearing Tunsil to Phins on twitter.....

[Rastak]

1. LAREMY TUNSIL | Ole Miss 6050|310 lbs|3JR Lake City, Fla. (Columbia) 8/2/1994 (age 21) #78
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 1st Round 2013: (12/9) 9 LT MEASUREABLES Arm: 34 1/4 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 83 2014: (11/11) 11 LT COMBINE N/A (choice) 2015: (6/6) 6 LT PRO DAY BP: 34 | VJ: 28 1/2 | BJ: 09’03” Total: (29/26) 26 LT

BACKGROUND: A five-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Tunsil was the top-ranked offensive lineman in the 2013 recruiting class and narrowed his college choice to Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi, choosing the Rebels – high school teammate of Timmy Jernigan. Tunsil worked his way into the starting line-up in the third game of the 2013 season, starting nine games as a true freshman and allowing only one sack to earn Freshman All-SEC honors. He started 11 games at left tackle in 2014 as a sophomore (missed two due to injury), earning Second Team All-SEC honors. Tunsil served a seven-game NCAA suspension to begin the 2015 season, starting the final six games at left tackle for the Rebels. He elected to skip his senior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Good size and length for the position…finely tuned athlete with tremendous balance and change of direction to appear effortless in pass-sets…light feet and flexible joints in his kickslide to handle speed, coming to balance on the move and staying square to rushers…sinks and anchors to strengthen his core, withstand rip moves and hold his ground at the point of attack…peppers defenders with strong hands, quick punch and rapid recoil to load up and strike again – keeps his elbows inside for an accurate strike zone…coordinated feet with blocking range to routinely eliminate defenders at the second level and on the perimeter, sealing linebackers downfield and staying on his feet…physical mind-set and always looking for someone to block – doesn’t play with complacency…smart and quickly picks up defenders on delayed blitzes and combo blocks…scored his only career touchdown in his final game, showing off body control and soft hands…mature make-up and carries himself with a proud attitude.

WEAKNESSES: Room to add more bulk and get stronger…shows the core power needed when he can sink and square, but not as stout with defenders off his edge…overeager at times and needs to stay patient to not get ahead of the play design…needs to eliminate the false start penalties and stay focused through
the whistle…doesn’t always play as mean as his intentions…arrested (June 2015) following a domestic dispute with his stepfather (charges eventually dropped), which led to NCAA investigations – suspended for the first seven games of the 2015 season for accepting impermissible benefits and for not being “completely forthcoming” when initially questioned by the NCAA…was in the hotel room the night of teammate Robert Nkemdiche’s arrest for drug possession and off-field decision-making needs vetted…routinely banged up over his career – missed 2013 bowl game due to left knee sprain (Dec. 2013); missed two games due to a partially torn right bicep (Oct. 2014); suffered fractured right fibula and dislocated ankle in the bowl game (Dec. 2014), which required surgery and sidelined him for 2015 spring drills.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at left tackle, Tunsil was a much ballyhooed recruit and immediately lived up to the hype at Ole Miss, allowing only one sack as a true freshman starter in the SEC. He never made First Team All-SEC or earned SEC offensive linemen of the week honors over his three-year career, mainly because he didn’t play a full season in college, which leads to other issues (injuries, NCAA suspension) that will be thoroughly vetted by NFL teams. On the field, Tunsil is a nimble big man with a rare athletic skill-set for the position, showing above average balance and flexibility to easily bend, handle speed and absorb power at the point of attack. He’s not a perfect player, but his flaws are more nit-picking than true weaknesses and potential injuries are the only obstacles keeping Tunsil from being one of the better left tackles at the next level – NFL-ready right now with a very high ceiling, which is why he is the highest-graded player in the 2016 NFL Draft.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/T/Laremy-Tunsil


Laremy Tunsil
School: Mississippi
Position: T

Positive: Three-year starter awarded All-America and all-Conference honors since his freshman season. Played in just 6 games last season after being suspended for accepting impermissible benefits. Athletic left tackle prospect with a tremendous upside. Plays with leverage, gets underneath defenders and shows a large degree of quickness in his game. Stays square, keeps his feet and hands active and controls opponents at the point of attack. Easily anchors in pass protection, displays good footwork sliding off the edge and quick out to the 2nd level. Effective blocking in motion, redirects to linebackers and consistently plays with proper pad level. Agile with the ability to adjust. Strong, and knocks defenders from the action with violent hand punch.

Negative: At times struggles handling speedy edge rushers. Not a big or bulky lineman and gets marginal movement run blocking. Struggled with injury and suspension the past 12 months.

Analysis: Tunsil is a physical specimen who was dominant at left tackle for Mississippi since his freshman season. He offers great potential as well as natural ability and though there will be bumps in the road, Tunsil should be an opening-day starter if puts in the time this off-season.

[Teamcheez1]

Suh will be a great mentor for Tunsil.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm just paying attention until the Browns pick. I gotta see who they traded down twice for.

[red]

miami shows that its cool to be old as they have no clue what a twitter is

[Rastak]

Extreme props to Tunsil........

Q: Was it you?
A: Yes


No bullshit.

[red]

raiders trade the pick for mr. las vegas himself johnny football

[red]

Extreme props to Tunsil........

Q: Was it you?
A: Yes


No bullshit.

he's blessed

and he's gonna overcome this adversity of smoking some herb

[Rastak]

3. KARL JOSEPH | West Virginia 5095|205 lbs|4SR Orlando, Fla. (Edgewater) 9/8/1993 (age 22) #8
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2012: (13/13) 104 7.0 1.0 3 8 2 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 1/8 | Hand: 09 3/4 | Wingspan: 77 1/4 2013: (12/12) 68 3.0 0.0 2 5 1 COMBINE N/A (injury; right knee) 2014: (13/13) 92 4.5 0.0 3 4 1 PRO DAY N/A (injury; right knee) 2015: (4/4) 20 2.0 1.0 0 6 5 Total: (42/42) 284 16.5 2.0 8 23 9

BACKGROUND: A three-star safety recruit, Joseph received double digit offers and was leaning towards UCF until he visited West Virginia along with high school rival K.J. Dillon, both committing to the Mountaineers. He became the starting free safety in 2012 and led the team in tackles (104) as a true freshman, adding 7.0 tackles for loss, eight passes defended and two interceptions to earn West Virginia Defensive Player of the Year and Freshman All-American honors. Joseph started every game as a sophomore in 2013 and recorded 68 tackles, five passes defended and one interception, earning All-Big 12 Honorable Mention honors. He started all 13 games as a junior with 92 tackles, four passes defended and one interceptions, earning First Team All-Big 12 honors. Joseph started the first four games of 2015 as a senior before a knee injury ended his season, finishing with 20 tackles and five interceptions. He received an invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl, but was unable to participate due to his injury.

STRENGTHS: Rangy athlete with outstanding closing burst and playing speed to the perimeter…quick reflexes to make explosive decisions and movements…launches his body with violence and looks to tune up his target…enjoys contact and is a big hit waiting to happen, striking behind his pads…shot out of a cannon on blitz attempts, using aggressive downhill angles…foot quickness to transition well in space and cover slot targets…springs in his legs, generating power from his lower body to highpoint or create liftoff…forceful tackler and credits his wrestling background for his tackling ability…locating skills and competitive ballskills to make plays on the ball – nine career interceptions…sets the tempo on the field with a survivor mentality…never gives anything less than full effort whether in a game or practice…experienced on special teams coverages…two-year team captain and beloved by the West Virginia coaching staff (Mountaineers defensive coordinator Tony Gibson: “In my 21 years of football, #8 has been the best leader and player that I’ve ever had the privilege of coaching.”)…four-year starter (42 career starts) and holds the school record for career forced fumbles (eight).

WEAKNESSES: Inconsistent timing and discipline in both run support and coverage…drives quickly on the ball, but often arrives too quickly…wild angles and takes himself out of plays, reacting before allowing his eyes and mind to process…lacks ideal frame to match his intentions as a striker…needs to lower his strike zone and attack smarter to avoid penalties…loves to hit, but doesn’t consistently wrap-lift-drive, sliding off balanced ballcarriers…ankle-biter as a tackler due to his lack of height and length…choppy pedal and needs to keep his feet under control in space…medical evaluations are critical due to his physical play style – suffered a noncontact injury to his right knee (Oct. 2016) that required surgery and sidelined him for the pre-draft process.

SUMMARY: A four-year starter at free safety, Joseph quickly established himself as a defensive enforcer at safety and was on pace to set a new school-record for starts before his season-ending knee injury in 2015, which sidelined him for the pre-draft process. He is a heat-seeking missile and passionate competitor, displaying the play speed and physical temperament to make plays vs. both the pass and the run. However, his overaggressive tendencies and lack of size leads to negative plays – his destructive style is both his greatest strength and weakness. Although he needs to improve his discipline and timing, Joseph plays with a fearless mentality and is always hunting – NFL starter potential if cleared by team doctors.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/S/Karl-Joseph


Karl Joseph
School: West Virginia
Position: S

Positive: Four-year starter whose college career was ended by a knee injury four games into his senior season. Finished with 20 tackles and 5 interceptions. Posted a career-best 92 tackles as a junior. Smart, tough safety with average size and speed. Mixes it up with opponents, hard-hitting and attacks ball carriers. Quick up the field defending the run, effectively reads or anticipates the action and has a closing burst. Effectively tracks the ball in the air, plays with a good degree of suddenness and works through the whistle. Possesses better than average ball skills and terrific hands for the interception.

Negative: Played with just average speed prior to his knee injury. Lacks great size for such a hard-hitting safety. A bit slow in transition.

Analysis: Joseph was a solid safety prospect well-rounded in all areas of the game and, if healthy, offers potential in a variety of systems.

[George Cumby]

Not much for skill positions coming off yet. Time for a run on WR's?

We are going to get a good LB or wide body, methinks.

[red]

Extreme props to Tunsil........

Q: Was it you?
A: Yes


No bullshit.

of course its him, its a video not a picture, at the end of the video he takes of the mask and smiles at the camera

kinda tough to deny that one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfjfzd7Hnws&feature=youtu.be&a

[Maxie the Taxi]

Think Browns will pick Paxton Lynch?

[Rastak]

Brownies, new regime......tons of picks.......who do they take?

Treadwell?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Not much for skill positions coming off yet. Time for a run on WR's?

We are going to get a good LB or wide body, methinks.

I think Ragland is going to be there when the Pack are on the clock

[Bretsky]

I think Ragland or Darren Lee might be there

[Rastak]

of course its him, its a video not a picture, at the end of the video he takes of the mask and smiles at the camera

kinda tough to deny that one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfjfzd7Hnws&feature=youtu.be&a

Yea, that's sort of a smoking gun. You be surprised the number of clowns who would swear it was doctored.

[Joemailman]

Browns up. Paxton Lynch?

[red]

Not much for skill positions coming off yet. Time for a run on WR's?

We are going to get a good LB or wide body, methinks.

theres always a big run on the guys we want in the 5-10 picks before we select.

still too soon to think about us

[Joemailman]

I think Ragland or Darren Lee might be there

I don't think Lee gets past Atlanta.

[Rastak]

Twitter says Browns too Coleman....

[Rastak]

2. COREY COLEMAN | Baylor 5105|194 lbs|4JR Richardson, Texas (Pearce) 7/6/1994 (age 21) #1
YEAR (GP/GS) REC YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2012: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 30 1/4 | Hand: 09 | Wingspan: 72 7/8 2013: (13/10) 35 527 15.1 2 COMBINE BP: 17 | VJ: 40.5 | BJ: 10’09” 2014: (10/6) 64 1,119 17.5 11 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.40 | 10-YD: 1.51 | 20-YD: 2.47 2015: (12/12) 74 1,363 18.4 20 Total: (35/28) 173 3,009 17.4 33

BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback/wide receiver recruit out of high school, Coleman connected with Baylor early in the recruiting process and the Bears were one of the few teams who wanted him at receiver instead of corner – also a track and field athlete in high school. After redshirting in 2012, Coleman started 10 games as a redshirt freshman and was the team’s featured kickoff returner, finishing 2013 with 35 catches for 527 yards and two touchdowns. A hamstring injury slowed the start of his sophomore season (six starts) before getting hot late, finishing with 64 receptions for 1,119 yards and 11 touchdowns to earn Second Team All-Big 12 honors. Coleman had his best season in 2015 with 20 receiving scores through the first eight games, but his production tailed off the final month of the season due to injuries at the quarterback position (caught passes from four different players). He finished his junior season with 74 receptions for 1,363 yards and NCAA-best 20 touchdowns to win the Biletnikoff Award (Nation’s top wide receiver), also earning unanimous All-America and First Team All-Big 12 honors. Coleman decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Ordinary height and frame, but shredded muscle tone and developed physique…deceiving body strength to keep his feet through contact and fight for extra yardage…explosive athlete with quick shake off the line of scrimmage to beat the jam and at the top of routes to create spacing…springs in his calves to juke out of trouble or elevate to make plays above the rim – physical leaper and not bothered by contested situations…only needs one step to accelerate up to full speed, stack the corner and hit a fifth gear to finish…excellent tracking skills downfield with natural body control to make himself available in his routes…quick, strong hands and attacks the ball before it can reach his body – zero fumbles at Baylor…physically tough and not easy to knock him off his route…passionate, strong-willed competitor whenever he steps onto the field – extremely determined individual and hates to lose, stemming from his rough background…groomed by his godfather and 14-year NFL veteran Ray Crockett, who was a role model and father figure for him growing up (birth father, Melvin, is currently in federal prison on a cocaine charge)…has experience as a return man on punts (11/53/1) and kickoffs (22/615/1)…extremely productive college career, setting new school records for touchdowns in a single season (20) and career (33) – also finished top-five in Baylor history in receiving yards (3,009) and 100-yard performances (12).

WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal height or length for the position – frame is near maxed out and will never be 200 pounds…will have some focus drops, running before securing or not finishing to the ground…not asked to run a full route tree with most of his production coming on screens and go routes…faced mostly soft cushions in the Big 12, rarely facing press or any type of physical presence on the outside…normally doesn’t allow his lack of size to limit him, but he will hear footsteps over the middle at times and play with alligator arms…unproven as a blocker…minor durability concerns, battling a nagging hamstring issue most of 2014 – also suffered a sports hernia injury (Nov. 2015) that kept him out of the bowl game…occasionally loses his composure on the field and still learning how to properly control his intense demeanor.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter in Art Briles’ spread offense, Coleman was extremely productive over his career, especially as a junior with a NCAA-best 20 touchdown grabs, becoming the first receiver in school history to win the Biletnikoff Award – lined up inside, outside and at times flanked in the backfield. Coleman faced mostly soft cushions in the Big 12, which allowed 10-15 yard routes without a defender coming within five yards of him – relied on four main patterns (screens, hitches, in-cuts and go routes) and will need to fill out the rest of his route tree at the NFL level. While explosive in college, the wide-open Baylor offense is mostly half-field reads and unchallenged routes, making it difficult to compare his college film to what he’ll see in the NFL. Despite his average height/length, Coleman is deceptively powerful with explosive athleticism and strong balance to be a threat at all levels of the field as both a pass-catcher and run-after-catch threat. He has above average hand-eye coordination to stab the ball away from his body and his intense, aggressive-minded demeanor allows him to play bigger than he looks. Although his pro evaluation requires a leap of faith due to Baylor’s offense, Coleman has the athletic traits and competitive temperament that suggest it’s only a matter of time before he finds success in the NFL – top-35 prospect who should see starting reps as a rookie.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/WR/Corey-Coleman


Corey Coleman
School: Baylor
Position: WR

Positive: Two-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his sophomore campaign and named to numerous All-America teams last year when he finished with a career-best 74 receptions, 1363 yards and 20 TDs. Has average 17.4 yards on 173 catches in college. Explosive vertical receiver with homerun hitting speed. Smooth releasing off the line, uses his hands to separate from opponents and quickly gets into breaks then stays low on exit. Displays terrific focus as well as concentration, good eye/hand coordination and easily makes the reception running full speed. Tracks the pass in the air, gets vertical or adjusts to make the difficult reception in contorted positions. Consistently extends and makes the catch away from his frame. Legitimate vertical threat with the ability to consistently out run defensive backs. Gives effort blocking.

Negative: Not a sturdy wide out that can take a pounding. Lacks top NFL size. Did not run a complicated route tree at Baylor.

Analysis: Coleman was ultra productive on the college field and had opponents playing back on their heels. He may have scheme limitations due to his size but in the right system he should be a very productive vertical receiver.

[red]

I think Ragland or Darren Lee might be there

how awesome would it be if we took ragland and the smith is there for us to take in the 3rd or 4th?

holes plugged for this year and interior dominance for years to come

[Joemailman]

2 picks now who I didn't think would go before the Packers. Good news.

[Bretsky]

how awesome would it be if we took ragland and the smith is there for us to take in the 3rd or 4th?

holes plugged for this year and interior dominance for years to come


Would be awesome....except............TT will pass them both of for plodders......lol

[Guiness]

Brownies, new regime......tons of picks.......who do they take?

Treadwell?

Close, they got a WR.

Not a bad choice, I assume they have no confidence Gordon is coming back, likely ever.

[Rastak]

Close, they got a WR.

Not a bad choice, I assume they have no confidence Gordon is coming back, likely ever.


He's hanging with Johnny Goofball....

[pittstang5]

Fuckin Lions

[red]

Would be awesome....except............TT will pass them both of for plodders......lol

pry reach for 2 ILB's that aren't those 2 guys

[Rastak]

Decker OT is the word

[wist43]

There goes Decker :(

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/T/Taylor-Decker

Taylor Decker
School: Ohio State
Position: T

Positive: Three-year starter named Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year in 2015. Lined up at both left and right tackle. Big, athletic tackle prospect with a nice degree of versatility. Fundamentally sound, sets with a wide base and blocks with good leverage. Patient in pass protection, stays square and correctly places his hands into defenders, knocking them from their angle of attack. Makes good use of blocking angles, squares into opponents and anchors in pass protection or turns defenders from the line to open running lanes. Plays with a large degree of quickness and stays with the action.

Negative: Does not show quick or natural footwork sliding off the edge. Must improve his finishing strength. Average skill blocking in motion.

Analysis: Decker was a consistent force at offensive tackle for Ohio State and is one of the more underrated prospects at the position. He possesses the size to hold down the right tackle spot on Sunday but also the athleticism to be used on the left side. He offers potential to immediately break into a starting lineup and at the same time comes with a large degree of upside potential.

[Rastak]

4. TAYLOR DECKER | Ohio State 6070|310 lbs|4SR Vandalia, Ohio (Butler) 8/23/1994 (age 21) #68
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2012: (12/0) MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 3/4 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 80 1/8 2013: (14/14) 14 RT COMBINE 40-YD: 5.23 | 10-YD: 1.81 | 20-YD: 3.02 | BP: 20 | VJ: 29 | BJ: 08’05” | SS: 4.76 | 3C: 7.70 2014: (15/15) 15 LT PRO DAY BP: 22 | VJ: 25.5 2015: (13/13) 13 LT Total: (54/42) 28 LT, 14 RT

BACKGROUND: A four-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Decker committed to Notre Dame as a junior, but once Urban Meyer became head coach in Columbus, Ohio State (his “dream school”) entered the picture and he switched to the Buckeyes – also played basketball in high school and received interest from mid-majors to play collegiately. He enrolled early and saw action in 12 games as a true freshman, mostly on special teams before earning the starting right tackle job as a sophomore in 2013 and starting all 14 games. With Jack Mewhort graduating, Decker moved over to left tackle as a junior in 2014 and started all 15 games for the National Champion Buckeyes, earning Second Team All-Big Ten honors. He returned for his senior season and again started every game at left tackle, earning the Rimington-Pace Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year Award, First Team All-Big Ten and All-American honors. Decker accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl, but later pulled out of the event.

STRENGTHS: Well-put-together with a large frame, essential body girth and very good core strength…utilizes his reach and strong hands to latch-and-control rushers from the outset…despite his height, shows the natural knee bend and sturdy anchor to absorb the rush and reestablish his base – has the power and punch to neutralize speed…balanced in his movements and shifts his weight well to shuffle and recover…terrific timing at the second level with the mobility to pull and occupy linebackers in space…physical drive blocker and plays with the nasty streak and competitive demeanor needed for the next level – blocks with attitude and stays pissed off as a run blocker…reliable, well-spoken and vocal leader with the make-up to start from day one in the NFL – embraces leadership role and the type who will be at the center of pre-game huddles…father (Ron) played football at Army…earned his animal sciences degree in Dec. 2015…All-American resume with durable experience as a three-year starter at both tackle spots – first Buckeye tackle to earn Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year since Orlando Pace.

WEAKNESSES: Naturally tall pad level and will lose the leverage battle when rushers are able to get underneath him…has the knee bend to sink and absorb, but can be late to drop his hips, taking away his anchor strength…needs to be more technically proficient with his reach and hand placement mid-kickslide – active puncher, but doesn’t consistently land his jabs…inconsistent snap anticipation and can be late to set up – has snaps on film where he seems to fall asleep, missing his usual urgency…has the aggressive take-on strength to sustain blocks, but needs to better use angles to his advantage…still developing his pre-snap recognition skills – can be fooled by delayed pressures.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Decker started the last 42 games at Ohio State, splitting time between left and right tackle – part of a senior class that won 50 games at Ohio State. He had a rough debut against Buffalo’s Khalil Mack (Oakland Raiders top-five pick in the 2014 NFL Draft) in his first career start, but has been an ascending talent since, learning from past mistakes and developing his skill-set. He has reliable character, can-do attitude and pro-ready make-up that fits NFL locker rooms – would be in the military if not for football. Decker can struggle at times with speed off the edge, especially flexible rushers who can bend underneath him, but he has the frame, balance and forceful hands to neutralize quickness and control the point of attack – doesn’t have a high ceiling, but projects as an immediate starter at left or right tackle worthy of first round consideration.

[Joemailman]

Falcons up. Darron Lee me thinks.

[Rastak]

Falcons up. Darron Lee me thinks.


Could be....

[Bretsky]

Good Pick by Cleveland; if I'm the Browns I think I stack good players in this year's draft, let them grow.....and get a stud QB next year with their high 1st

[red]

next 3 teams need LB help

[Rastak]

Good Pick by Cleveland; if I'm the Browns I think I stack good players in this year's draft, let them grow.....and get a stud QB next year with their high 1st


Glad he went before the other 1st round grade WRs.....Vikings already have some not so tall playmakers like Jay Wright.

[Rastak]

4. KEANU NEAL | Florida 6004|211 lbs|3JR Bushnell, Fla. (South Sumter) 7/26/1994 (age 21) #42
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2013: (12/0) 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/4 | Hand: 10 5/8 | Wingspan: 78 3/8 2014: (10/8) 45 1.0 0.0 1 7 3 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.62 | 10-YD: 1.62 | 20-YD: 2.69 | BP: 17 | VJ: 38 | BJ: 11’00” | SS: 4.38 | 3C: 7.09 2015: (12/11) 96 3.5 2.0 1 2 1 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.65 | 10-YD: 1.60 | 20-YD: 2.60 | SS: 4.20 Total: (34/19) 146 4.5 2.0 2 9 4

BACKGROUND: A four-star safety recruit out of high school, Neal received offers from Florida, Auburn, Clemson and several others, committing to the Gators during his junior year. He played on special teams coverages as a true freshman in 2013, recording five tackles in 2013. Neal worked his way into the starting line-up at safety as a sophomore (eight starts) and collected 45 tackles, seven passes defended and three interceptions. He had his best season in 2015 as a junior and finished third on the team with 96 tackles, adding 3.5 tackles for loss, two passes defended and one interception. Neal opted to leave Gainesville after his junior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a developed physique and long arms…highly physical and aggressive tackler, using his length to hit, lift and drive…plays with violence and anger, exploding through his hips and striking with authority…smooth athlete for his size and controls his momentum well in space…consistent play speed, showing functional range…attacks alleys and flows well with the action, never playing bored…tough player and fights through pain…productive junior season, averaging 8.7 tackles per start in 2015.

WEAKNESSES: One-speed athlete and doesn’t play with much burst…physical striker, but doesn’t consistently square up his target, break down in motion or wrap to finish…wild angles and takes wasted steps vs. the run and in coverage…streaky take-on technique and late to separate from blocks…makes it too easy for receivers to block him in the open field…struggles to anticipate, biting on fakes – needs to see things a tick faster to be more of a reliable playmaker…eyes stuck in the backfield, allowing spacing from his coverage responsibilities…marginal spatial awareness and tends to play with tunnel vision…durability concerns, missing parts of the last two seasons – high right ankle sprain (Oct. 2014) that required a boot and crutches, missing two games; battled hamstring (Aug. 2015) and foot (Nov. 2015) issues as a junior, missing two games…poor production with single digit passes defended in his career.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter, Neal was a box player in high school, but was used as both a strong and free safety for the Gators. While he showed improvements in the deep half of the field in coverage, he is best known as an eraser downhill, playing with violent intentions and looking to lay the wood. Neal enjoys contact and is a physical striker, but needs mechanical work as too many of his tackle attempts are off balance due to streaky angles. He might be able to start at some point during his NFL rookie season, but requires time to improve his discipline as he doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for wasted steps – will be a special teams demon due to his relentless nature while competing for snaps on defense.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/S/Keanu-Neal


Keanu Neal
School: Florida
Position: S

Positive: Two-year starter who finished with a career-best 96 tackles last season while also breaking up 2 passes. Outstanding safety prospect with next level size and skill. Instinctive, quickly picks up assignments and shows good recognition. Fires up the field, wraps up tackling and brings opponents down at the point of contact. Fast in both a straight line as well as laterally, covers a lot of area in centerfield and effectively covers receivers on crossing routes. Works well with cornerbacks bracketing receivers over the middle and displays solid ball skills.

Negative: Shows inconsistencies in his game. Does not always take the best angles to the action, over pursues the play and slow reacting when the ball is in the air. Marginal ball production.

Analysis: Neal is a high character prospect with the size and ability to start in multiple schemes on Sunday. He'll need time to complete his game but offers a good degree of upside and should produce as a rookie.

[pittstang5]

This Draft has been really weird. So many guys I thought were 2nd rounders are going tonight.

[Joemailman]

Falcons up. Darron Lee me thinks.

Hmmm...

[Rastak]

This Draft has been really weird. So many guys I thought were 2nd rounders are going tonight.


Great, isn't it? :glug:

[Joemailman]

This Draft has been really weird. So many guys I thought were 2nd rounders are going tonight.

At least 3 so far.

[ThunderDan]

Hmmm...

Can't win them all.

[Rastak]

Eric Thompson ‏@eric_j_thompson 49s49 seconds ago
BREAKING: Thomas Dimitroff has a torn labrum. Result of reaching for that Keanu Neal pick.

[pittstang5]

Great, isn't it? :glug:

Yep! :-)

[red]

This Draft has been really weird. So many guys I thought were 2nd rounders are going tonight.

a guy on the radio today said there are 5-6 first tier guys, 5-6 second tier guys and about 45 third tier guys. so a lot of guys people think are going in the first will go in the second and the other way

[Rastak]

1. RYAN KELLY | Alabama 6040|311 lbs|5SR West Chester, Ohio (Lakota West) 5/30/1993 (age 22) #70
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2011: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 5/8 | Hand: 09 5/8 | Wingspan: 80 5/8 2012: (10/0) COMBINE 40-YD: 5.03 | 10-YD: 1.76 | 20-YD: 2.93 | BP: 26 | VJ: 30 | BJ: 08’07” | SS: 4.59 | 3C: 7.58 2013: (9/9) 8 OC PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2014: (12/12) 12 OC 2015: (15/15) 15 OC Total: (46/36) 36 OC

BACKGROUND: A three-star offensive center recruit out of high school, Kelly committed to Alabama over offers from Florida, Florida State and Michigan. After redshirting in 2011, he came off the bench as a true freshman and played in 10 games in 2012. Kelly took over the starting center duties as a sophomore in 2013, starting nine games (missed four games due to injury). He started 12 games as a junior in 2014, missing two games due to injury. Kelly started all 15 games as a senior in 2015, earning consensus All-America and First Team All-SEC honors. He also won the Rimington Trophy (nation’s top center) and the Jacobs Blocking Trophy (SEC’s top lineman). Kelly received an invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl, but declined.

STRENGTHS: Quick snap-and-step, sitting in his stance to anchor, absorb contact and push back…proper bend below the waist to maintain leverage and get underneath defenders…extends well to keep defenders from his frame and works hard to gain body position…patience in space to attack the second level…moves well laterally to pull and work around bodies… noticeably stronger as a senior…naturally instinctive to anticipate pre-snap and on the move…highly intelligent, both on and off the field – named the 2015 SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year…made all the calls on the Alabama offensive line, getting everyone lined up and communicating well…very detailed with a tough demeanor, battling through the whistle…accountable, no-nonsense leader and voted a team captain in 2015 – calls that his most valued honor…seasoned veteran with 36 starts under his belt in the SEC.

WEAKNESSES: Average-at-best size, length and growth potential – needs to continue and develop his power…quick movements based more on awareness rather than explosive traits…overeager at times and needs to stay off the ground, lunging, dropping his eyes and falling off his target…overaggressive at the second level, leading to his pads rising or overrunning linebackers…needs to improve his timing in space to land blocks on designed screens…durability hasn’t been a strength, missing four games in Sept. 2013 (stretched MCL), two games in Oct. 2014 (right knee sprain) and most of the Texas A&M contest this past season due to a concussion (Oct. 2015).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Kelly took over the pivot duties at Alabama after Barrett Jones graduated and developed into one of the best centers in the country, earning the Rimington Award and Jacobs Blocking Trophy in 2015 – described as the “heart and soul” of the offense by Heisman-winning running back Derrick Henry. He plays with more hustle than physical talent, but has a strong understanding of how to use positional skill and his smarts to complete the mission. Although he rarely moves bodies in the run game, Kelly engages well on combo blocks and gains position, using his awareness to be a model of consistency. He is the ultimate lunch pail worker with the competitive grit and IQ that translates well to the pro game – scheme-versatile, immediate starter and Pro Bowl potential.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/C/Ryan-Kelly


Ryan Kelly
School: Alabama
Position: C

Positive: Three-year starter awarded All-America and all-Conference honors last year as well as being named Rimington Trophy Award winner as the nation's top center. Tough, intelligent center who stands out in all areas of the position. Bends his knees, plays with excellent pad level and a terrific technician. Explosive at the point, stays square and keeps his feet and hands active throughout the play. Anchors in pass protection, effective on the 2nd level and nicely redirects to defenders. Seals opponents from the play and flashes power with the ability to move bigger linemen from the action. Displays outstanding vision and hits multiple defenders off a single snap.

Negative: Ducks his head on occasion. Has never been naturally bulky. Must improve his blocking angles.

Analysis: Kelly has been a consistent performer for Alabama but at the same time displayed progress in all areas of his game. He has starting potential in the NFL for a variety of systems and comes with a terrific amount of upside.

[George Cumby]

A Center?!

[Rastak]

3rd hand source - Bills to take Lawson

[red]

what happens if miles jack and ragland drop to us. ragland is the safe pick but jack is the possible stud

and you never know when any players career is gonna end to add on to what espn was saying

[Joemailman]

what happens if miles jack and ragland drop to us. ragland is the safe pick but jack is the possible stud

and you never know when any players career is gonna end to add on to what espn was saying

McGinn thinks TT will take a DL from UCLA. :razz:

[pittstang5]

At least 3 so far.

Yep...4 if you count Ryan Kelly as a 2nd rounder.

[red]

McGinn thinks TT will take a DL from UCLA. :razz:

great

:roll:

[pittstang5]

Bills D keeps getting better

[Rastak]

3. SHAQ LAWSON | Clemson 6025|269 lbs|3JR Central, S.C. (Daniel) 6/17/1994 (age 21) #90
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 1st Round 2012: Hargrave Military Academy MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/4 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 81 1/8 2013: (13/0) 35 10.0 4.0 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.70 | 10-YD: 1.63 | 20-YD: 2.75 | VJ: 33 | BJ: 10’00” | SS: 4.21 | 3C: 7.16 2014: (13/1) 44 11.0 3.5 1 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2015: (15/15) 60 25.5 12.5 1 Total: (41/16) 139 46.5 20.0 2

BACKGROUND: A four-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Lawson wanted to move away from home to play football and was ready to enroll at Tennessee, but after his father was killed in a car accident, he decided to stay close to home. Lawson committed to Clemson prior to his senior year, but he didn’t qualify academically, enrolling at Hargrave Military Academy for the 2012 season – also received recruiting attention for basketball. He joined the Tigers as a freshman in 2013 and played in all 13 games as a back-up, tallying 35 tackles, 10.0 tackles for loss and 4.0 sacks. Stuck behind Vic Beasley and Corey Crawford on the depth chart, Lawson again came off the bench again in 2014 as a sophomore, recording 44 tackles, 11.0 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks. He became a starter in 2015 as a junior and was runner-up for ACC Defensive Player of the Year with a NCAA-best 25.5 tackles for loss, adding 60 tackles and 12.5 sacks to earn First Team All-ACC and AllAmerica honors. Lawson decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Proportionate upper and lower body thickness…quick initial step with the lateral agility and knee bend to rush with low pad level…stays coordinated in his rush sequence, using a variety of spin and power arm moves to beat blocks…resets his vision well on the move to find the ballcarrier, coming to balance to make stops in small spaces…active, heavy hands to stack the edge, fight off blockers’ jabs and create push with his upper body…disciplined vs. the run, holding the edge and leveraging blocks with an iron shoulder and body flexibility…heavy striker and drives through his hips, bringing his legs with him – strong hands/wrists to finish tackles…experienced dropping in space and covering running backs out of the backfield…takes well to coaching and praised for his football intelligence…has worked hard on his diet and work habits to stay at peak conditioning…low maintenance individual with the positive attitude and competitive hunger to hone his craft – “one of the easiest guys I’ve ever coached,” according to Tigers head coach Dabo Swinney…consensus All-American 2015 season, leading the nation in tackles for loss (25.5) and finishing his career with 46.5 tackles for loss.

WEAKNESSES: Only average height and length for the position…not a twitchy or naturally explosive athlete to win the corner on burst alone…needs to quicken his recoil and get his hands back to better halt runners in his gap…while balanced and agile to drop and move in reverse, he lacks the range and redirection traits to consistently cover in space…has a few late hit penalties on his resume that he needs to learn from…minor durability concerns with a history of sore shoulders, wearing a heavy brace on his right shoulder most of his junior year…only one season of starting experience…suffered a sprained MCL in his left knee (Dec. 2015) and played through the injury in the National Championship Game.

SUMMARY: A one-year starter, Lawson followed the same path from D.W. Daniel High School to Clemson as DeAndre Hopkins and several other NFL players, but his path included a year at military school (academics) and two years as a reserve before getting his chance to shine as a starter in 2015 – recorded double-digit tackles for loss all three of his seasons for the Tigers. Despite losing eight defensive starters in 2015, Clemson’s defense ranked top-10 nationally and Lawson was a substantial reason for that, leading the nation in tackles for loss (25.5). He is an intelligent and powerful edge defender with the lower body athleticism and flexibility to be equally dominant against the run and the pass. Lawson isn’t a long-armed, twitchy athlete, but his efficient pass rush process and ball awareness allow him to be productive – top-20 prospect and NFL starter as a rookie, best-suited in a 4-3 base scheme.

[red]

thats the 3 teams that needed LB's jets could take one

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/DE/Shaq-Lawson


Shaq Lawson
School: Clemson
Position: DE

Positive: Three-year starter awarded All-America and all-Conference honors last season after 60 tackles, 25.5 tackles for loss and 12.5 sacks. Terrific pass rusher with size limitations. Athletic, breaks down well and fluid moving in every direction. Easily collapses down the line of scrimmage defending the run, uses his hands to protect himself and plays with excellent balance. Possesses a quick change of direction, easily alters his angle of attack and can bend off the edge. Plays disciplined, stay-at-home football and gives effort defending the run or rushing the passer. Displays a variety of moves getting off blocks, sacrifices his body to make plays and competes.

Negative: Struggles getting off blocks and engulfed by larger linemen. Lacks bulk and will be turned off the line by opponents.
Analysis: Lawson was very effective making plays behind the line scrimmage and at the same time displays good instincts and head for the game. He's a scheme specific defender who could flourish as a one gap defensive end.

[Bretsky]

what happens if miles jack and ragland drop to us. ragland is the safe pick but jack is the possible stud

and you never know when any players career is gonna end to add on to what espn was saying


we take a OL; that would be a classic TT pick

Everybody salivating over LB's and DL on the board. Ted takes a OL for insurance for our losses next year.

[Joemailman]

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

[Joemailman]

we take a OL; that would be a classic TT pick

Everybody salivating over LB's and DL on the board. Ted takes a OL for insurance for our losses next year.

Or insurance for Bulaga's next injury.

[red]

hey ras, whats the chance that the vikings take a LBer?

[Rastak]

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets


I miss those screwballs, but only a little.....

[Bretsky]

thats the 3 teams that needed LB's jets could take one

The Jets always piss me off

They took Wilkinson when I really wanted him and we go stuck with a fucknard

Then they took a safety I loved a couple years ago; we were ok that year with Haha

They will probably take Lee or Jack :(

[Rastak]

hey ras, whats the chance that the vikings take a LBer?


Possible......I'm thinking WR or LB....

[pittstang5]

we take a OL; that would be a classic TT pick

Everybody salivating over LB's and DL on the board. Ted takes a OL for insurance for our losses next year.

Spriggs is the only Tackle left that I would take in the 1st. and I'd be ok with that.

[red]

we take a OL; that would be a classic TT pick

Everybody salivating over LB's and DL on the board. Ted takes a OL for insurance for our losses next year.

TT will take a WR we've never heard of, or a corner

[pittstang5]

Possible......I'm thinking WR or LB....

If Treadwell is still available, Vikes be stupid not to take him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Or insurance for Bulaga's next injury.Seattle is bound to take an OT. Not a lot of 1st rounders left.

[Guiness]

These guys booing Goodel are an embarrassment. The leather-lunged crew from NY put them to shame:whaa:

[Rastak]

From ESPN:

New York Jets: The Jets need linebackers -- both outside and inside. Assuming Calvin Pace, 35, retires or moves on as a free agent, the Jets will have no outside linebackers with starting experience. Lorenzo Mauldin can step into a full-time role after playing situationally as a rookie, but they'll need another edge player in their 3-4. Weak-inside linebacker Demario Davis is a free agent and unlikely to return -- another opening. -- Rich Cimini

[Bretsky]

Or insurance for Bulaga's next injury.

tough to take insurance when you have desperate needs unless you want to embrace TT and his we're fine there mojo at every position

[red]

look at the rich trump looking douchbag with paxton lynch

[ThunderDan]

What the hell is Grunden doing with that sheet. He is flipping it over and turning it around. Does it have writing on the same side in 2 different directions? Or is he just completely lost?

[Rastak]

If Treadwell is still available, Vikes be stupid not to take him.

I completely agree, then again I'm a shitty scout.

[pittstang5]

The Jets always piss me off



Then they took a safety I loved a couple years ago; we were ok that year with Haha:(

Calvin Pryor - yeah, that pissed me off too

[Bretsky]

Spriggs is the only Tackle left that I would take in the 1st. and I'd be ok with that.


he's alright but it would be disappointing to take him over some better players

[Rastak]

There goes Lee.....

[red]

jets will just fuck him up anyways

[Rastak]

2. DARRON LEE | Ohio State 6006|232 lbs|3SO New Albany, Ohio (New Albany) 10/18/1994 (age 21) #43
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st Round 2013: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 1/4 | Hand: 09 3/4 | Wingspan: 79 1/4 2014: (15/15) 81 16.5 7.5 1 5 2 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.47 | 10-YD: 1.54 | 20-YD: 2.60 | BP: 17 | VJ: 35.5 | BJ: 11’01” | SS: 4.20 | 3C: 7.12 2015: (13/13) 66 11.0 4.5 0 2 1 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (28/28) 147 27.5 12.0 1 7 3

BACKGROUND: A three-star athlete recruit, Lee was a high school quarterback and return man and was recruited as a quarterback, wide receiver and defensive back by different schools, committing to the Buckeyes once they offered him a scholarship. He redshirted as a scout team linebacker and safety in 2013 before earning the strongside linebacker job as a redshirt freshman in 2014, filling the shoes of Ryan Shazier. Lee tallied 81 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks and a pair of interceptions, earning Defensive MVP honors in the Sugar Bowl win over Alabama. He started all 13 games in 2015 as a redshirt sophomore, finishing with 66 tackles, 11.0 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks to earn Second Team All-Big Ten honors. Despite two years of eligibility left, Lee decided to leave early for the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Above average range, speed and athleticism…unlocks his hips to instantly accelerate and close like a runaway train…makes himself skinny and shoots through gaps on the line of scrimmage…needs to do it consistently, but flashes violence in his hands to punch, lock out and keep himself free from blocks…explosive tackler and doesn’t need a runway, striking low and leading with his shoulder…performs with an instant reactor and diagnoses play speed well…quick-minded, recognizing tendencies and play-calling trends – sees it on film and throughout the course of a game…smooth hips to turn and run in coverage…agile pass rusher to blitz, stunt and loop…adequate bulk and has worked hard to fill out his frame – was a 195-pound high school senior…self-assured presence on and off the field with a competitive swagger that seems to shine when the lights are the brightest…versatile experience as a blitzer, run defender and cover man – often lined up across from the slot receiver in coverage…durable and started every game the past two seasons with consistent production – will contribute right away on special teams.

WEAKNESSES: Leaner-than-ideal features for the position with a narrow torso and maxed out build…physical mind-set with pop in his hands, but lacks ideal play strength to consistently unglue himself from blocks – stonewalled and engulfed by offensive linemen and needs to improve his take-on technique to stay clean and gain body position…overaggressive and will over-run angles – needs to better come to balance and break down on the move…needs to mix up his moves and show a better plan as a blitzer…needs to eliminate the dumb, avoidable penalties (roughing, facemask, etc.)…only two full seasons at the linebacker position and still learning different nuances of the position…doesn’t have an indestructible body type – suffered a right leg injury (Sept. 2015) and left on a cart, but didn’t miss the following game.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter in Ohio State’s versatile 4-3 base defense, Lee was a 195-pound quarterback in high school and although the Buckeyes coaches weren’t sure where he would play, they knew he could play. After practicing at safety, he added muscle and moved to linebacker during his redshirt year, taking over for the departed Ryan Shazier at SAM linebacker in 2014 – played the “walkout” linebacker role so he was asked to cover, blitz and consistently play in space. Lee is a fantastic athlete with long arms and aggressive hands, but needs to develop his functional strength to consistently stack and shed at the line of scrimmage and keep himself clean. Although he is still young in linebacker years, he is a high character competitor, playing with sky-high confidence and natural football instincts to pick things up quickly. In the mold of Shazier or Kwon Alexander, Lee is a versatile run-and-hit linebacker with an attacking mind-set that fits today’s NFL – will be a standout on special teams while competing for a starting role as a NFL rookie.

[Joemailman]

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/OLB/Darron-Lee


Darron Lee
School: Ohio State
Position: OLB

Positive: Two-year starter named to numerous All-America teams since his freshman season. Totals last year included 66 tackles, 11 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks. Explosive three down linebacker with incredible upside potential. Athletic, displays outstanding range and covers a tremendous amount of area on the field. Effective in space, quickly gets outside the numbers and also gets depth on pass drops. Breaks down well, rarely off his feet and plays with a large degree of suddenness. Quick collapsing outside-in defending the run, disruptive on the blitz and explodes to the play with a great burst. Shows the ability to shed blocks of bigger offensive lineman and plays vicious football.

Negative: Late reacting to coverage assignments in zone. Lacks ideal height.

Analysis: Lee made an immediate impact as a freshman for Ohio State then showed consistent progress in his all-around game last year as a sophomore. He's a three down defender that can play multiple linebacker positions and a prospect who should have a long career in the NFL.

[red]

draft seems to be moving faster now that i have more booze in me

[HarveyWallbangers]

My thoughts for each pick so far:

1 Los Angeles Jared Goff (QB) California - Should have taken Wentz
2 Philadelphia Carson Wentz (QB) NDSU - Good pick
3 San Diego Joey Bosa (DE) Ohio St - Strange scheme fit; I had Bosa as an elite 4-3 DE but just a good 3-4 OLB
4 Dallas Ezekiel Elliott (RB) Ohio St - Really? Pass up Ramsey to take a RB in the top 5 not at the Peterson, Gurley level?
5 Jacksonville Jalen Ramsey (CB) Florida St - Great pick
6 Baltimore Ronnie Stanley (OT) Notre Dame - Bit of a reach
7 San Francisco DeForest Buckner (DE) Oregon - Good pick
8 Tennessee Jack Conklin (OT) Mich St - Good pick
9 Chicago From TB Leonard Floyd (OLB) Georgia - Too early
10 NY Giants Eli Apple (CB) Ohio St - I like Apple, but this seems like a reach
11 Tampa Bay From CHI Vernon Hargreaves III (CB) Florida - Solid pick
12 New Orleans Sheldon Rankins (DT) Louisville - Good pick for their scheme
13 Miami Laremy Tunsil (OT) Ole Miss - Great pick
14 Oakland Karl Joseph (S) W Virginia - I like Josephy, but this seems like a reach
15 Cleveland TEN Corey Coleman (WR) Baylor - A bit of a head scratcher for me
16 Detroit Taylor Decker (OT) Ohio St - I'm not as high on Decker as others, but solid pick
17 Atlanta Keanu Neal (S) Florida - Reach
18 Indianapolis Ryan Kelly (C) Alabama - Safe pick
19 Buffalo Shaq Lawson (DE) Clemson - I liked Lawson on film
20 NY Jets Darron Lee (OLB) Ohio St - Darn it!

[pbmax]

Lee is NOT an OLB.

[Bretsky]

The Jets always piss me off

They took Wilkinson when I really wanted him and we go stuck with a fucknard

Then they took a safety I loved a couple years ago; we were ok that year with Haha

They will probably take Lee or Jack :(




Dear NY Jets

GO FUCK YOURSELVES

[Joemailman]

Washington up. This is a team that could steal Ragland.

[ThunderDan]

Calvin Pryor - yeah, that pissed me off too

I was so happy that they took Prior.

[red]

Calvin Pryor - yeah, that pissed me off too

eh, i liked pryor too, but haha has been the better pro and put up the better numbers

[wist43]

draft seems to be moving faster now that i have more booze in me

lol... strange how that works :glug:

[Rastak]

Houston Washington swap spots.....



The Daily Norseman ‏@DailyNorseman 17s18 seconds ago
Texans paid the Redskins a 2017 6th round pick to swap spots.

[Rastak]

From ESPN:

Houston Texans: Texans owner Bob McNair said Tuesday that the Texans need to develop and groom a young quarterback. Finding that guy is their biggest need, whether they have to draft a new player to do it or not. -- Tania Ganguli