2018 Playoffs

[pbmax]

Lombardi is just terrible. He is quintessentially inconsequential.

[Rastak]

I liked the old celebration rules.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Again, the Vikes do a great job scheming people open.

[pbmax]

I liked the old celebration rules.

No way. No Fun League rules were terrible.

The curling routine was just OK though.

[pbmax]

Nice no DPI

[Rastak]

Nice no DPI

Was good coverage.

[yetisnowman]

I may have missed it. But I don't think there were any POS kneelers in either game during the national anthem.

You probably were making nachos or taking a shit like most Americans during the national anthem on a TV broadcast. Or they didn't show players protesting. No one cared about the National Anthem on TV until Fox News told them to.

[pbmax]

Was good coverage.

I thought that was what I said! :)

[pbmax]

I know it seems sounds like sour grapes now but the NFL is so wide open this year. Terrible year for the QB to go down

Patriots have a brutal D at times against Pass. They are very vulnerable.

[Rastak]

Terrible decision.

Might have hit his arm but still risky ass pass.

[pbmax]

One man pressure hit arm and pick 6.

[pbmax]

Vikes LB Barr with nice blitz.

[Rastak]

Eagles are playing smart football. They are not the #1 seed for no reason.

[Joemailman]

Blount force trauma.

[Rastak]

Blount force trauma.

That dudes a load.

[Joemailman]

Eagles with a corner blitz. Keeping the Vikings off balance after that first drive.

[Rastak]

Foles is playing pretty well.

[Joemailman]

Ertz is a tough matchup.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Foles has all day.

[beveaux1]

Whoa.

[pbmax]

Can’t believe Foles was still standing.

[Rastak]

Yea, no idea how.

[pbmax]

NFL Stats
The Patriots were called for 1 penalty against the Jaguars

It is the fewest penalties called on one team in a playoff game since the 2011 AFC Championship... when the Patriots were called for 1 penalty in a win over the Ravens

[yetisnowman]

Can't believe a team with so many injuries, a back up qb, and an offense built with trades and free agents is competing like this.
According to most Rats, Philly should have no chance tonight.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Vikes read that screen but Ajayi just made it work.

24 straight pts and get the ball to start 2nd half.

[pbmax]

So you sort of see what McCarthy sees versus Vikings defense. You can take the safeties in the Vikes with decent Tight ends and some time.

[Rastak]

Well, I can't say I'm shocked......this shit is to be expected as a Viking fan.....*sigh* - I'll hang till the bitter end though

[pbmax]

Can't believe a team with so many injuries, a back up qb, and an offense built with trades and free agents is competing like this.
According to most Rats, Philly should have no chance tonight.

Packers should have hired Ball. Cap guy like Roseman.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can't believe a team with so many injuries, a back up qb, and an offense built with trades and free agents is competing like this.
According to most Rats, Philly should have no chance tonight.

Amazing what an elite OL and a very good defense can do.

[Teamcheez1]

God wasn't paying attention when the Vikings got their miracle win last week. This week enough is enough.

[Rastak]

God wasn't paying attention when the Vikings got their miracle win last week. This week enough is enough.


Exactly the case, no pun intended.

[pbmax]

Amazing what an elite OL and a very good defense can do.

RBs and TEs are making this very college offense go.

[bobblehead]

Props to NE for not committing a single Offensive or Defensive penalty all game long. Just one ST hold for 10 yards. Its almost.....unbelievable. I mean, the level of coaching and talent it takes to not hold, PI, or hit Bortles in the head is amazing. I mistakenly thought I saw 1 hit to Bortles head, 1 facemask on an incomplete pass where the DB pulled the intended receiver to the ground, 3 Jersey pulls (PI) and 4 holds (3 of them no brainers in the open field), but apparently I am just biased because non of them were called. The jersey pull on 3rd down late in the 4th would have been a first and possibly sealed the game....good thing it didn't amount to PI.

Anyway, like I said, props to that incredibly talented and well coached team for playing penalty free football for an entire game.

[Rastak]

I surrender.....

[Cheesehead Craig]

Wow, hell of a throw to Smith.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Has there been a penalty?

[pbmax]

Troy: how about the throw?

Yeah how about it? It was short and he was still open. Foles best work was just staying upright, not his throw or timing.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Not a TD.

[pbmax]

Well, I can't say I'm shocked......this shit is to be expected as a Viking fan.....*sigh* - I'll hang till the bitter end though

Sorry Ras. Eagles might be showing me that there was a dominating team in the NFC this year.

[Rastak]

Not a TD.

Nope.

[Rastak]

Sorry Ras. Eagles might be showing me that there was a dominating team in the NFC this year.

Yea, I guess it wasn't all Wentz. Very nice defense, good play calling and all around solid effort. Home field doesn't hurt and the Vikings have no chance now that they have two OL out.

[Joemailman]

That might be the dagger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/01/31/JS119376992_AFP_Participants-dressed-as-Vikings-burn-the-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqLCdklbIO9QIk9DIYxTE-O_GJiX5wdfUZOmGppwWRxQA.jpg

[Rastak]

That might be the dagger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/01/31/JS119376992_AFP_Participants-dressed-as-Vikings-burn-the-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqLCdklbIO9QIk9DIYxTE-O_GJiX5wdfUZOmGppwWRxQA.jpg


I would guess so.

[Rastak]

I'm outta here....if this actually becomes a game maybe I'll stop back.....later Rats.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Foles is straight up ballin'

[Joemailman]

What are they gonna do at QB next year Ras? Open competition or Keenum's job? I guess Bradford and Keenum are free agents.

[esoxx]

Sorry Ras. Eagles might be showing me that there was a dominating team in the NFC this year.

Maybe with Wentz still healthy, yes. However, Eagles only scored 34 points in the last three games before today.

Vikings just shit the bed big time, as they're wont to do.

Shit. The. Bed.

[Rastak]

Maybe with Wentz still healthy, yes. However, Eagles only scored 34 points in the last three games before today.

Vikings just shit the bed big time, as they're wont to do.

Shit. The. Bed.

They looked far better against the Falcons last week than earlier but yea, I can't deny your conclusion.

[Rastak]

Fuck, now I'm really leaving.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Did not see this ass-kicking coming.

Some frustration there by Barr.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Why the hell didn't Todd sign Foles back in March? Oh, right. Todd and Mike had a thing for The Hun.

[ThunderDan]

Cheap shot by Barr after an extra point losing by 31. Not a surprise.

[Teamcheez1]

Anthony Barr is a thug.

[pbmax]

Maybe with Wentz still healthy, yes. However, Eagles only scored 34 points in the last three games before today.

Vikings just shit the bed big time, as they're wont to do.

Shit. The. Bed.

I tend to think you are right about Foles. But Pederson deserves some benefit of the doubt. He worked well with Wentz and somehow made it work with Foles. The rest of the team is seems to be a real deal.

We'll see what Belichick can do to bring him back to earth.

I like DP's offense, dink and dunk then take a chunk. You can put together a lotta drives like that even without dominating WR talent. The O line is very good though even without Peters.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The mocking of the Skol chant with "Foles" is pretty funny.

[denverYooper]

Cheap shot by Barr after an extra point losing by 31. Not a surprise.

Dirty player doing dirty things.

[pbmax]

Anthony Barr is a thug.

An Eagle was giving Harrison Barnes the business. Barr went to his defense and hit the second Eagle trying to break it up (Ertz).

[pbmax]

Dirty player doing dirty things.

Done dirt cheap.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Didn't Pederson assert in the preseason that this year's Balding Eagles are as talented as the '96 Packers? Bet there were a few folks who thought he was crazy.

[pbmax]

twitter video can bite it

https://twitter.com/jasonjwilde/status/955258862201909248


Dave Zirin @EdgeofSports
My annual reminder that LeGarrette Blount is the nephew of the late, great legendary musician Sun Ra.

[denverYooper]

Didn't Pederson assert in the preseason that this year's Balding Eagles are as talented as the '96 Packers? Bet there were a few folks who thought he was crazy.

He learned that from Favre. Any good team Favre was on, he compared to the '96 Packers.

It was never true.

[esoxx]

Wonder how the Eagles would fare with a knucklehead like Hundley having to come in after the starter goes down with serious injury during the regular season.

The more I think about how the Packers didn't have a veteran back up to Rodgers, one who at least has been in the fire before, the more I''m convinced Thompson's dismissal was long overdue. He just didn't get it towards the end of his reign.

Also on notice is Stubby and his QB whisperer status. Underwhelming to say the least.

[yetisnowman]

Amazing what an elite OL and a very good defense can do.

Also amazing what no less than 7 impact players acquired via free agency and trades can do...

[pbmax]

2017 Eagles: Offense 8, Defense 5, ST 16

1996 Packers: Offense 3, Defense 1, ST 2


Nope.

[denverYooper]

Wonder how the Eagles would fare with a knucklehead like Hundley having to come in after the starter goes down with serious injury during the regular season.

The more I think about how the Packers didn't have a veteran back up to Rodgers, one who at least has been in the fire before, the more I''m convinced Thompson's dismissal was long overdue. He just didn't get it towards the end of his reign.

Also on notice is Stubby and his QB whisperer status. Underwhelming to say the least,

Eagles Defense >>> Packers Defense.

Foles is better than Hundley but he's got a lot more starts under his belt and gets to play on the other side of a strong defense. Both of those factors change the equation for the quarterback just a smidge.

[pbmax]

Wonder how the Eagles would fare with a knucklehead like Hundley having to come in after the starter goes down with serious injury during the regular season.

The more I think about how the Packers didn't have a veteran back up to Rodgers, one who at least has been in the fire before, the more I''m convinced Thompson's dismissal was long overdue. He just didn't get it towards the end of his reign.

Also on notice is Stubby and his QB whisperer status. Underwhelming to say the least,

Hundley was a 3 year vet. Foles had one decent year and then dreck.

The unimaginable part is seeing Hundley in practice for 3 years and thinking he was going to be OK. That decision is SO bad, it almost makes me think getting Rodgers right in 2007 was a fluke.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The dog masks are funny.

[pbmax]

Vikes are never going to want a playoff game on the road against the NFC East again.

#Giantsgame

[esoxx]

Eagles Defense >>> Packers Defense.

Foles is better than Hundley but he's got a lot more starts under his belt and gets to play on the other side of a strong defense. Both of those factors change the equation for the quarterback just a smidge.

Yeah, D way better in Philly. Of course, the continued shit defense is still more of an indictment on Ted than anything else. Glad it's time for someone else to try and get that side of the ball on the upswing.

[esoxx]

So, the miracle to Diggs just becomes a footnote in history. No real relevance.

[pbmax]

Sioux Falls Police @siouxfallspd
We just have been contacted by the @MinneapolisPD and are assisting in the locating of the Minnesota Vikings defense. If located we will let you know. We must hurry as we have been given a 30 minute time limit to assist /802


Shade from South Dakota.

[pbmax]

So, the miracle to Diggs just becomes a footnote in history. No real relevance.

We all still remember Antonio Freeman's back catch and Favre's Oakland game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Eagles Defense >>> Packers Defense.

Foles is better than Hundley but he's got a lot more starts under his belt and gets to play on the other side of a strong defense. Both of those factors change the equation for the quarterback just a smidge.

Foles wouldn't have to lead the Packers and that hideous D to the Super Bowl. Just need him to hold the fort down until the Great Arm of Butte heals, something The Hun failed miserably to do.

Believe it or not, there were 2-3 games this season in which that hideous D kept the Pack in the game only to see The Hun lose the game with uninspiring performances of Kizer proportions.

[esoxx]

We all still remember Antonio Freeman's back catch and Favre's Oakland game.

Didn't say remember, said relevance. If Vikings go to Super Bowl, that play is credited as the main element in the magical run.

Not so anymore.

[Teamcheez1]

All is right in the world again. Order has been restored in the universe.

[ZachMN]

Vikes are never going to want a playoff game on the road against the NFC East again.

#Giantsgame

Love It! And I love that the Vaunted Viking D finally got exposed. They are good but not insurmountable. And the HC has some culpability here as well. Love this bitch slap. Don't be clapping in the press box when a Guy gets injured.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

2017 Eagles: Offense 8, Defense 5, ST 16

1996 Packers: Offense 3, Defense 1, ST 2


Nope.

As the saying goes, stats are sometimes misleading. Eagles O might've finished #1 overall had Wentz not gotten KIA. Other than special teams, both teams are ranked similarly.

I'm happy for Pederson. I'm happy that the Eagles have become another team that has debunked the "draft and develop" bullshit. I'm happy that Queen fans living in Minnesota will have to deal with the Eagles again during Super Bowl week.

But make no mistake, I want the Eagles to lose to the American Patriots, partly b/c Eagle fans (though not all of them) are a bunch of arrogant motherfuckers. Mostly, I want the Pats to win cos I'm a staunch supporter of Belichickism.

[esoxx]

What kind of special hell would it be to have to listen/watch two weeks of Super Bowl hype coming to your home stadium after losing in Championship game?

Two weeks of talking about the Eagles playing in your backyard after you just got rag dolled by them.

Purgatory.

[yetisnowman]

Eagles Defense >>> Packers Defense.

Foles is better than Hundley but he's got a lot more starts under his belt and gets to play on the other side of a strong defense. Both of those factors change the equation for the quarterback just a smidge.

Foles had better numbers his rookie year than Hundley did this year. Also in his second year had 27 tds and 2 ints and went to the pro bowl while playing behind the 29th ranked defense.

[yetisnowman]

Hundley was a 3 year vet. Foles had one decent year and then dreck.

The unimaginable part is seeing Hundley in practice for 3 years and thinking he was going to be OK. That decision is SO bad, it almost makes me think getting Rodgers right in 2007 was a fluke.

Using the word decent to describe a 27-2 td int season with a pro bowl appearance, then using the word dreck to describe the rest of his career....truly shows the ridiculous bias and spin you use to promote your narratives.

[Rastak]

What kind of special hell would it be to have to listen/watch two weeks of Super Bowl hype coming to your home stadium after losing in Championship game?

Two weeks of talking about the Eagles playing in your backyard after you just got rag dolled by them.

Purgatory.

Nah, no hell here. I’m old, a fucking football game is the least of my worries. I’m not one of those unbalanced motherfuckers who tie their self esteem to a football team who I have neither played on or work for. That said, I am a fan and these guys have certainly bummed me out, as you guys have also experienced the last 7 years as I have.....hope the big game is a good one.

[mraynrand]

Using the word decent to describe a 27-2 td int season with a pro bowl appearance, then using the word dreck to describe the rest of his career....truly shows the ridiculous bias and spin you use to promote your narratives.

Define 'dreck' and then apply it without bias. Foles had one very outstanding year, and then pretty much averaged about 80 Qb rating. Hundley is 10 points behind that. I'd say Hundley was dreck and Foles was above dreck (in the other seasons). But that one outstanding year tells you he can be so much more. Hundley - not so much. He has only the Pittsburgh game and a few odd throws here and there and some running plays to recommend him. If you're comparing the two. I didn't read the whole thread, but can only assume the debate was "why didn't TT bring in Foles?" It's a reasonable question, but as always, it's cherry picking.

[mraynrand]

Love It! And I love that the Vaunted Viking D finally got exposed. They are good but not insurmountable. And the HC has some culpability here as well. Love this bitch slap. Don't be clapping in the press box when a Guy gets injured.

Damn straight. Love this loss. The only play that Barr made that stood out exposed him for the punk he is.

[Pugger]

How can such a bad beer have such good commercials?

That beer gives me a major headache every time. Michelob is even worse for me. :razz:

[Pugger]

Can't believe a team with so many injuries, a back up qb, and an offense built with trades and free agents is competing like this.
According to most Rats, Philly should have no chance tonight.

I think most folks didn't give Philly much of a chance because Wentz is out. Foles played out of his mind tonight. Can he repeat that in 2 weeks is the question.

[Pugger]

Yea, I guess it wasn't all Wentz. Very nice defense, good play calling and all around solid effort. Home field doesn't hurt and the Vikings have no chance now that they have two OL out.

You guys lost 2 linemen? I only remember one...

[Pugger]

Anthony Barr is a thug.

Yes, he's a real ass. After he flipped off Aaron after he drove #12 into the ground this beat down is sweet (sorry Ras...).

[Pugger]

Wonder how the Eagles would fare with a knucklehead like Hundley having to come in after the starter goes down with serious injury during the regular season.

The more I think about how the Packers didn't have a veteran back up to Rodgers, one who at least has been in the fire before, the more I''m convinced Thompson's dismissal was long overdue. He just didn't get it towards the end of his reign.

Also on notice is Stubby and his QB whisperer status. Underwhelming to say the least.

I don't blame McCoach for Hundley. I don't think anybody at 1265 were sure about Hundley until he actually had to play. Practice and preseason doesn't really tell you. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And I don't blame Ted for not signing a vet QB and instead trying to bolster other positions last summer. We gambled and lost when Rodgers went down. :-|

[Pugger]

Nah, no hell here. I’m old, a fucking football game is the least of my worries. I’m not one of those unbalanced motherfuckers who tie their self esteem to a football team who I have neither played on or work for. That said, I am a fan and these guys have certainly bummed me out, as you guys have also experienced the last 7 years as I have.....hope the big game is a good one.

Yeah, we got bitch-slapped in Atlanta last year. No fun at all.

[mraynrand]

Can't believe a team with so many injuries, a back up qb, and an offense built with trades and free agents is competing like this.


I think most folks didn't give Philly much of a chance because Wentz is out. Foles played out of his mind tonight. Can he repeat that in 2 weeks is the question.

Just a quick check shows (best I can tell) Philly started #4, 12, and 13, overall picks tonight. #14 Barnett comes of the bench. Last time the Packers picked as high as 14 was 2009 (Raji at 9).

But I think the Packers' offseason moves pretty much tell the story - and will tell the story - that they are moving on from so strict a draft/develop program due to this season's results.

[Fosco33]

Nah, no hell here. I’m old, a fucking football game is the least of my worries. I’m not one of those unbalanced motherfuckers who tie their self esteem to a football team who I have neither played on or work for. That said, I am a fan and these guys have certainly bummed me out, as you guys have also experienced the last 7 years as I have.....hope the big game is a good one.

Respect. Pack got routed last yr in NFCC after a great playoff victory. Win/lose -- we still booze.

[pbmax]

Using the word decent to describe a 27-2 td int season with a pro bowl appearance, then using the word dreck to describe the rest of his career....truly shows the ridiculous bias and spin you use to promote your narratives.

Signing replacement level talent isn't a strategy I am very fond of that is true.

Foles has worked out OK for an Eagles team playing great ball, but until today I did not see him win the games.

We'll see what the Patriots find in his now four weeks of film.

Signing Foles is just garden variety shuffling of dreck. Developing Hundley promised much more. The failure for the Packers was the latter, not the former. Though I'll admit losing your starting QB in Week 14 makes a veteran backup look more attractive than a young vet making his first start.

[call_me_ishmael]

Myles Jack is really good and boy does he play nasty through the whistle. Seems like his knee is holding up okay. Jaguars got themselves a steal if only for a few years. Leonard Fournette is exceptional as well. At the end of the day, picking high and drafting talented players goes a long way, even without a QB.

If I'm a good QB going to hit the market, like what's his face in Washington, I put in a call to Jacksonville. They have a premier, young defender at each level, and an unbelievable stable of running backs. Add in Allen Robinson and they have good WRs too. Much to like about that spot down there.

Bortles has one year left. I'd strongly consider cutting him early or letting him ride pine and bring in the Gunslinger from Washington and winning a super bowl next year. They're a QB away from being a younger version of 2013 Seattle, the greatest team I have ever personally seen.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet
#Vikings WR Adam Thielen played all but one snap last night and had 3 catches for 28 yards, while dealing with slight fractures in his back. Was in incredible pain

nfl.com: https://t.co/dCP6IaqSSb

[mraynrand]

Signing replacement level talent isn't a strategy I am very fond of that is true.

Foles has worked out OK for an Eagles team playing great ball, but until today I did not see him win the games.

We'll see what the Patriots find in his now four weeks of film.

Signing Foles is just garden variety shuffling of dreck. Developing Hundley promised much more. The failure for the Packers was the latter, not the former. Though I'll admit losing your starting QB in Week 14 makes a veteran backup look more attractive than a young vet making his first start.

I agree with most of this except for the fact that you did have evidence of Foles playing well in a collection of actual regular season NFL games. That of course you address by your critique of the Packer staff thinking that Hundley was ready (did they really believe this? Or were they just crossing fingers that Rodgers didn't get hurt/didn't want to put money and time into a vet QB).

Either way, you're kinda wasting time replying to Yeti. His first troll post was a strawman. People here who acknowledge TT's indisputable top 5 GM performance over his career don't dispute that there are other ways to build successful teams.

[Bossman641]

Reading through the pats/jags thread is like living in bizarro world. Rut, the most negative poster around, is a complete pats homer? Who knew?

[mraynrand]

Rut, the most negative poster around, is a complete pats homer? Who knew?

Like the rest of the constitutive complainers, he thinks the Packers ought to be as successful as the greatest coach/GM/QB in NFL history. And yeah, bandwagon riders can be frustrating.

[pbmax]

I agree with most of this except for the fact that you did have evidence of Foles playing well in a collection of actual regular season NFL games. That of course you address by your critique of the Packer staff thinking that Hundley was ready (did they really believe this? Or were they just crossing fingers that Rodgers didn't get hurt/didn't want to put money and time into a vet QB).

Either way, you're kinda wasting time replying to Yeti. His first troll post was a strawman. People here who acknowledge TT's indisputable top 5 GM performance over his career don't dispute that there are other ways to build successful teams.

I think the question about the backup QB is pretty fascinating. Packer writers might be obsessed about veteran depth at CB, which I find to be a red herring, but the QB spot is a different matter.

Developing a younger player has risks as we saw this year and in the other year of the collarbone. Having Rodgers and Flynn succeed while Harrell, Coleman and Hundey failed is about as good an illustration as you could have of the risk/reward.

But just as with any FA, the hit rate on vets is still going to be 50%. Keenum and Foles are working now (or were up until 7 PM on Sunday) but history suggests they will fall back to earth. I have no feel for Hundley's prospects.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Signing replacement level talent isn't a strategy I am very fond of that is true.

Foles has worked out OK for an Eagles team playing great ball, but until today I did not see him win the games.

We'll see what the Patriots find in his now four weeks of film.

Signing Foles is just garden variety shuffling of dreck. Developing Hundley promised much more. The failure for the Packers was the latter, not the former. Though I'll admit losing your starting QB in Week 14 makes a veteran backup look more attractive than a young vet making his first start.

Wolf used to sign "seasoned" vets of NFL wars to back up Favre (McMahon, Bono, Mirer, etc.). Sherman signed Akili Smith and Tim Couch, but for reasons beyond logic, those signings failed to blossom. Ideally, you want a Hostetler, a Reich, a Foles, and a Keenum backing up your star QB. But any seasoned vet worthy of an inspiration would do just fine.

The Hun showed some kung fus as a rookie. But they weren't actually kung fus, but instead, illusions. Bluntly put, Hundley can't play. In the last TC, Hundley was outplayed by a 27 year old rookie free agent. Todd should've signed a seasoned vet to backup A-Rod. Someone like Kap.

[Joemailman]

Wolf used to sign "seasoned" vets of NFL wars to back up Favre (McMahon, Bono, Mirer, etc.). Sherman signed Akili Smith and Tim Couch, but for reasons beyond logic, those signings failed to blossom. Ideally, you want a Hostetler, a Reich, a Foles, and a Keenum backing up your star QB. But any seasoned vet worthy of an inspiration would do just fine.

The Hun showed some kung fus as a rookie. But they weren't actually kung fus, but instead, illusions. Bluntly put, Hundley can't play. In the last TC, Hundley was outplayed by a 27 year old rookie free agent. Todd should've signed a seasoned vet to backup A-Rod. Someone like Kap.

Probably because they sucked.

[Freak Out]

Eagles win the SB.

[MadScientist]

Wolf used to sign "seasoned" vets of NFL wars to back up Favre (McMahon, Bono, Mirer, etc.). Sherman signed Akili Smith and Tim Couch, but for reasons beyond logic, those signings failed to blossom. Ideally, you want a Hostetler, a Reich, a Foles, and a Keenum backing up your star QB. But any seasoned vet worthy of an inspiration would do just fine.

The Hun showed some kung fus as a rookie. But they weren't actually kung fus, but instead, illusions. Bluntly put, Hundley can't play. In the last TC, Hundley was outplayed by a 27 year old rookie free agent. Todd should've signed a seasoned vet to backup A-Rod. Someone like Kap.

Wolf also had draft guys like Brunell and Detmer and Hasslebeck as backups. Also 3 QB's was the norm back then, allowing for a vet backup and a promising qb to develop.

[MadScientist]

Eagles win the SB.

Good to know. Can you get me the winning powerball numbers the next time you time travel?

[mraynrand]

Ideally, you want a Hostetler, a Reich, a Foles, and a Keenum backing up your star QB.

As long as we're talking ideally - Ideally, I'd like to trade for Steve Young from Tampa Bay to follow my HOF QB. Or draft all the long-shot all-pros in the late rounds. Like Tom Brady and Terrell Davis. But the Packers never do these things because they just want to make the playoffs and not win the Superbowl. So long as people are paying to sled at Packer Park, leadership just doesn't give a shit whether the Packers win or lose.

[mraynrand]

Good to know. Can you get me the winning powerball numbers the next time you time travel?

3, 16, 45, 18, 32, 5

[mraynrand]

Who thinks Brady will retire if he wins?

[3irty1]

QB's are so valuable that I think it generally makes sense to be searching for stars among the haystack of young jags in the backup role rather than relying on mediocre journeyman. I'd probably rather have the journeyman if my starting QB was a glass doll or super young.

Hundley was an acceptable risk IMO. Makes you wonder how much utility modern NFL practice has as an evaluation tool though.

[pbmax]

Wolf used to sign "seasoned" vets of NFL wars to back up Favre (McMahon, Bono, Mirer, etc.). Sherman signed Akili Smith and Tim Couch, but for reasons beyond logic, those signings failed to blossom. Ideally, you want a Hostetler, a Reich, a Foles, and a Keenum backing up your star QB. But any seasoned vet worthy of an inspiration would do just fine.

All of these vets, as backups, were worse than Wolf's QB draft picks with the exception of Hosteler and Reich. You could throw Don Strock in there. Detmer was probably terrible but we never got a chance to find out in GB.

Foles has been his terrible self and his good self in the last month: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/Barnwellx180122/2017-nfl-playoffs-mystery-philadelphia-eagles-quarterback-nick-foles

If you find a QB worth developing, he almost has to backup on the active roster. After his rookie preseason, he would have been claimed like Taysom Hill was.

At that point, to carry a 3rd vet QB on the roster will cost you in a game. With only two QBs the Packers have run short of RBs more than once.

The question remains who the hell was wrong on Hundley and are they still collecting a paycheck?

[pbmax]

QB's are so valuable that I think it generally makes sense to be searching for stars among the haystack of young jags in the backup role rather than relying on mediocre journeyman. I'd probably rather have the journeyman if my starting QB was a glass doll or super young.

Hundley was an acceptable risk IMO. Makes you wonder how much utility modern NFL practice has as an evaluation tool though.

Almost none. And the elimination of QB school and other rookie and Year 1 offseason stuff hurt.

Coaches shot themselves in the foot on this though, by staging contact in non contact sessions. And then filming it :roll:

[Vincenzo]

Who thinks Brady will retire if he wins?
He might take a shot at being the only team to win THREE Superbowls in a row.

[denverYooper]

He might take a shot at being the only team to win THREE Superbowls in a row.

Maybe, but he'll have to win this one first.

I think he'll continue playing as long as he's not broken down and the AFC East remains a collection of pushovers. Every year he tacks on adds to his legacy, which I believe he loves, and adds to the sales narrative for TB12 clinics. Did anyone see the commercials for "Tom vs. Time"? Yeah. He's building himself up to be a god and him continuing to play works into that. He might re-think it if the AFC East ever manages to grow a pair or Belichick moves on or retires.

Belichick leaving would be a fun experiment.

[Freak Out]

Can you get me the winning powerball numbers the next time you time travel?

I keep that info for myself.

[pbmax]

Who thinks Brady will retire if he wins?

He's not the same guy physically, nano bubbles, deep tissue massage and avocado aside.

But I bet he still plays. He got rid of the replacement already.

[mraynrand]

I don't know if it came up in the thread earlier, but if the refs don't blow dead that NE fumble on the trick play double pass, Jack returns it for a TD and they are up 27-10 in the fourth.

[Freak Out]

There were some BS calls that game...of course you can say that about any game. Did you see a Zebra was one of the first guys to congratulate Brady after the game? lol

[Joemailman]

I don't know if it came up in the thread earlier, but if the refs don't blow dead that NE fumble on the trick play double pass, Jack returns it for a TD and they are up 27-10 in the fourth.

Maybe. Can't rule out that some Patriots might have stopped playing when they heard the whistle.

Jags scored 6 points in the 2nd half. Wanna beat the Patriots in a playoff game? Better score more than that.

[mraynrand]

Maybe. Can't rule out that some Patriots might have stopped playing when they heard the whistle.

Jags scored 6 points in the 2nd half. Wanna beat the Patriots in a playoff game? Better score more than that.

I know. The ref didn't defense that pass at the end. Sometimes (well, with the Patriots, most of the time, except against the Giants) the other guy just makes a better play.

[pbmax]

I think Jack was still a live ball carrier (and it was a fumble, Peter King's non-sense about hand over the ball notwithstanding) but down by contact rules are a get out of jail free card for refs who blow the whistle early. They've gotten much better in recent years about this, but its never perfect.

Of all the bad calls and bad rules interpretations these days, down by contact I can live with if its with a whistle.

[Pugger]

Who thinks Brady will retire if he wins?

Unless his play falls off a cliff in 2018 I suspect he'll stick around as long as BB does.

[BZnDallas]

I keep that info for myself.

I'll take the mega millions numbers if that's cool?!? It only takes one, right? Haha