Official 2019 Draft Thread

[woodbuck27]

I just checked a 2019 NFL DRAFT TOP Prospects LINK and this fella is going to possibly be available in the NO. 12 slot:

A TOP Ranked Prospect at WR:

https://olemisssports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=288

Ole Mississippi WR ... D. K. Metcalf

CAREER HIGHLIGHTS
• 2018 Biletnikoff Award Watch List
• 2018 Preseason All-SEC Second Team (Phil Steele)
• 2018 Preseason All-SEC Third Team (Lindy's)
• 2017 SEC All-Freshman Team (Coaches)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PHmpGgiaHc

[woodbuck27]

The DRAFT TEK 2019 NFL Draft Big Board - TOP 100

Note: Players Ranked Regardless of Position:

https://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp

[Bretsky]

The DRAFT TEK 2019 NFL Draft Big Board - TOP 100

Note: Players Ranked Regardless of Position:

https://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp


Jachai Polite and Noah Fant would be a helluva start !

[woodbuck27]

and

since we are drafting this high, IF a QB falls to 12, do we pull the trigger like we did with rodgers? then let the guy sit for a few years

i don't know if you can rule it out with rodgers age and is drop in play this year

rodgers is the same age that favre was when we drafted his eventual replacement


https://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp

NO. 35 -3 Will Grier West Virginia QB 6'1" 214 BIO

NO. 41 +13 Drew Lock Missouri QB 6'3" 225 BIO -

NO. 43 -1 Daniel Jones Duke QB 6'5" 215

NO. 46 +4 Dwayne Haskins ... Ohio State QB 6'3" 210 BIO

[woodbuck27]

Jachai Polite and Noah Fant would be a helluva start !

What's the dope on Jachai Polite?

[pbmax]

and

since we are drafting this high, IF a QB falls to 12, do we pull the trigger like we did with rodgers? then let the guy sit for a few years

i don't know if you can rule it out with rodgers age and is drop in play this year



I would. But you want to have that conversation prior to the draft, which Ted never did.

[SavedByGrace]

What's the dope on Jachai Polite?

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...85232241385472
https://twitter.com/DLineVids/status...25535369105408
https://twitter.com/ike_packers/stat...30773587652621
https://twitter.com/DLineVids/status...15100896514048

[Joemailman]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/04/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-jachai-polite/


Jachai Polite is being billed as a pass rush specialist, and while it’s true that is often how Florida deployed him, he has played against the run plenty this season and more than held his own. What Polite lacks as a point-of-attack powerhouse he makes up for with good technique, exceptional range and the ability to slip blocks and make plays behind the line of scrimmage.

Yes, I’d like to see the NFL put some more meat on his bones, but Polite plays sudden and physical, which are better traits to have than bulk. His pass rush game is pretty polished, and his ability to win with speed and bend opens up inside counters all day. NFL teams may overlook him because of his frame, but the traits are here for Polite to be a double-digit sack guy at the next level. The one catch? He might not be as scheme diverse as the other top guys due to his size limiting him to a 3-4 outside linebacker role.

[denverYooper]

and

since we are drafting this high, IF a QB falls to 12, do we pull the trigger like we did with rodgers? then let the guy sit for a few years

i don't know if you can rule it out with rodgers age and is drop in play this year

rodgers is the same age that favre was when we drafted his eventual replacement

It's definitely worth considering, though I haven't seen many QBs with a 1st round grade this year (1 or 2?) so there's a good chance 12 is a spot where QB won't be BPA. I'm still hoping for pass rush or OL in this spot in this draft.

31/32 might be a spot to grab a deal if a guy falls.

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It's definitely worth considering, though I haven't seen many QBs with a 1st round grade this year (1 or 2?) so there's a good chance 12 is a spot where QB won't be BPA. I'm still hoping for pass rush or OL in this spot in this draft.

31/32 might be a spot to grab a deal if a guy falls.

Some sites, like cbs, now have 3 qbs going between #6 and #11

We is still the premium position. QBs that should be 2nd or 3rd rounders go in the top 10 these days

[SavedByGrace]

Another reason, and this may be the best reason of them all, as to why we need a guy like Polite. After watching the pathetic effort from guys like HHCD the past few years, this would be refreshing...

https://twitter.com/bleechr/status/909817181390741504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5E tweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E909817181390741504&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.seccountry.com%2Fflorida %2Fflorida-gators-football-jachai-polites-viral-hustle-play-vs-tennessee-becomes-a-rallying-point-for-gators

[call_me_ishmael]

Another reason, and this may be the best reason of them all, as to why we need a guy like Polite. After watching the pathetic effort from guys like HHCD the past few years, this would be refreshing...

https://twitter.com/bleechr/status/909817181390741504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5E tweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E909817181390741504&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.seccountry.com%2Fflorida %2Fflorida-gators-football-jachai-polites-viral-hustle-play-vs-tennessee-becomes-a-rallying-point-for-gators

Wow, yeah that's some hustle.

[Joemailman]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/01/ohio-state-qb-dwayne-haskins-declares-for-draft


The 2019 draft class got a big addition today when Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins announced in a tweet he would forego his senior season and enter the draft.



We heard last month that Haskins had received a first round grade from the draft’s advisory board, and this move had been widely expected for a while now. At this point Haskins seems like a lock for the first round, and unless something goes wrong, is a heavy favorite to be the first quarterback taken this April.

The more QB's drafted in thee 1st round, the better for the Packers. Jags and Giants will probably draft QB's before the Packers pick. Maybe Broncos.

[red]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/01/ohio-state-qb-dwayne-haskins-declares-for-draft



The more QB's drafted in thee 1st round, the better for the Packers. Jags and Giants will probably draft QB's before the Packers pick. Maybe Broncos.

i saw a mock yesterday that now had 4 qb's going in the top 13 or 14

thats would be very nice for us

[Joemailman]

Several players in tonight's National Title Game are potential Packer 1st round picks:

Deionte Thompson - S - Alabama
Clellin Ferrell - EDGE - Clemson
Jonah Williams - OT - Alabama

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Several players in tonight's National Title Game are potential Packer 1st round picks:

Deionte Thompson - S - Alabama
Clellin Ferrell - EDGE - Clemson
Jonah Williams - OT - Alabama

thats just a few possible guys for #12

theres a ton of guys with nfl potential playing tonight

clemson has 2 DTs and alabama has 1 that could go in the first

mack wilson ILB from alabama could go in the first

[call_me_ishmael]

Apparently the Clemson QB is a better prospect than Andy Luck and will be the #1 pick next year.

[ThunderDan]

Apparently the Clemson QB is a better prospect than Andy Luck and will be the #1 pick next year.

He is a true freshman, can’t come out until after his 3rd year.

[red]

He is a true freshman, can’t come out until after his 3rd year.

yup

and its insane that guy is only a true freshman

maybe we should be going into full tank mode for the next couple of years to get that #1 pick in 2021

[call_me_ishmael]

He is a true freshman, can’t come out until after his 3rd year.

Ahhh understood. Seems like a special, premier QB comes around every 10 years or so. Hopefully we're either Super Bowl contenders or we're tanking by then.

[wist43]

Devin White, LB, LSU

He would be an instant upgrade to our front seven.

[Bretsky]

Devin White, LB, LSU

He would be an instant upgrade to our front seven.



You like Polite ??????????

[wist43]

You like Polite ??????????

Haven't looked at him yet... White is a destroyer though.

We desperately need a badass in the middle of that defense.

[call_me_ishmael]

Despite the stupid hair, wow what a performance from Clemson. That QB and D are legit!!

[bobblehead]

Aaron Jones is not a skat

I'm talking a RB that has the skills to pretty much flank out as a WR and help cause mismatches everywhere. I'm talking about James White, Darren Sproles, Tarik Cohen types. LB"s can't cover these guys.

I'm talking Ty MOTHERFUCKING Montgomery....wait, our fat fucking ex coach misused him and then scapegoated him to Baltimore....thats as bad as getting traded to Detroit ffs.

[texaspackerbacker]

Despite the stupid hair, wow what a performance from Clemson. That QB and D are legit!!

Their whole D Line looked like they're on the same stuff Dexter Lawrence got busted for.

[bobblehead]

hahahahaha And you should stick to politics instead of bouncing in with a cluster of wrongheaded posts then disappearing for a while. You're saying Aaron Jones is slower than James White or Darren Sproles? Uh whatever hahahahaha. Cohen might be faster, although I haven't seen it.

Cohen Ran a 4.4. How the fuck could you ever think Aaron Jones is as fast as Cohen??

[bobblehead]

and

since we are drafting this high, IF a QB falls to 12, do we pull the trigger like we did with rodgers? then let the guy sit for a few years

i don't know if you can rule it out with rodgers age and is drop in play this year

rodgers is the same age that favre was when we drafted his eventual replacement

Personally I would trade Rodgers to Jacksonville right now for the 7 pick and the 2nd round equivalent along with a 1st or 2nd next year. Then I would figure out who Lafleur wants to develop and bring him in to back up Boyle. Trade Kizer for a used jock strap. Tank one more year with Boyle while developing whoever. Jacksonville wins a Owl, we get serious draft capital and rebuild the right way.

[bobblehead]

I would. But you want to have that conversation prior to the draft, which Ted never did.

Don't think TT ever dreamed ARod would drop all the way to our pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe by watching him in game situations ........ All I said was Jones seems faster than any of those three - and football speed-wise, he does.

[bobblehead]

What's the dope on Jachai Polite?

My impression of him is very Von Miller ish.

[bobblehead]

Apparently the Clemson QB is a better prospect than Andy Luck and will be the #1 pick next year.

I actually like him but I can't get past the fact that he looks like Martina Navratilova.

[bobblehead]

Maybe by watching him in game situations ........ All I said was Jones seems faster than any of those three - and football speed-wise, he does.

Well shit, as long as it seems that way why do we even bother timing a 40?

[call_me_ishmael]

Their whole D Line looked like they're on the same stuff Dexter Lawrence got busted for.

Well, if the shoe fits :-D

Dabo Swinney comes around and suddenly Clemson goes from ~top 25 ish program to a big dog right there year after year with Bama? Doesn't pass the smell test. They're obviously paying people big bucks and big drugs.

[mraynrand]

I actually like him but I can't get past the fact that he looks like Martina Navratilova.

You mean Björn Borg, of course. You do know that Martina Navratilova is actually Björn Borg, right?

[mraynrand]

Well, if the shoe fits :-D

Dabo Swinney comes around and suddenly Clemson goes from ~top 25 ish program to a big dog right there year after year with Bama? Doesn't pass the smell test. They're obviously paying people big bucks and big drugs.

Programs pay a lot of $$$ for growth hormone analogues that can escape drug test detection.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Well, if the shoe fits :-D

Dabo Swinney comes around and suddenly Clemson goes from ~top 25 ish program to a big dog right there year after year with Bama? Doesn't pass the smell test. They're obviously paying people big bucks and big drugs.

Suddenly? The dude's been there since '08. They went through some growing pains but he was known as an excellent recruiter and produced top 10 classes right out the gate. In college FB, the best recruiting classes tend to win the most games. Hearing him speak, he sounds like an excellent man who has his priorities straight in life.

[Fritz]

Can't the Packers invest in some people who know how to procure only the best performance-enhancing drugs as well as masking them?

Give the new coach the resources he needs to be successful. Think of it like building the Don Hutson Practice Center.

[mraynrand]

nm

[call_me_ishmael]

Suddenly? The dude's been there since '08. They went through some growing pains but he was known as an excellent recruiter and produced top 10 classes right out the gate. In college FB, the best recruiting classes tend to win the most games. Hearing him speak, he sounds like an excellent man who has his priorities straight in life.

He's a great speaker, I agree. I've heard him on the radio a bunch. There is a significant jump from 2012 onward. Do you really believe they're a clean program? I do not. I don't think many are, but I think they are *exceptionally* dirty. Great recruiter, sure, but 5 stars don't just suddenly skip out on blue bloods en mass to go to South Carolina.

It reminds me of Ole Miss. All of a sudden they started landing 5 star players at a higher rate. I would even argue that Clemson has gone far above and beyond what Ole Miss did as far as recruiting goes.

[Cleft Crusty]

Can't the Packers invest in some people who know how to procure only the best performance-enhancing drugs as well as masking them?

Give the new coach the resources he needs to be successful. Think of it like building the Don Hutson Practice Center.

I can offer my services as drug tester, much like the food testers for kings of old.

[call_me_ishmael]

Can't the Packers invest in some people who know how to procure only the best performance-enhancing drugs as well as masking them?

Give the new coach the resources he needs to be successful. Think of it like building the Don Hutson Practice Center.

That man's name was Mike Neal and he got busted.

[George Cumby]

I can offer my services as drug tester, much like the food testers for kings of old.

That means swishing the athlete's urine around in your mouth, I presume.

[pbmax]

Don't think TT ever dreamed ARod would drop all the way to our pick.

Supposedly, in one of their later draft mocks he started to fall so Teddy went back to the film.

But he also said at one point that they stopped doing too many mocks because it was just confirming their perceptions. But I think that comment was post Rodgers draft.

[Cleft Crusty]

That means swishing the athlete's urine around in your mouth, I presume.

You might think that, seeing as I once worked semi-part-time for the Urinal Scented newspapers. But, no.

[pbmax]

That means swishing the athlete's urine around in your mouth, I presume.

Much more advanced now. Just leave it in your basement for 24 hours and see what grows.

[Cheesehead Craig]

He's a great speaker, I agree. I've heard him on the radio a bunch. There is a significant jump from 2012 onward. Do you really believe they're a clean program? I do not. I don't think many are, but I think they are *exceptionally* dirty. Great recruiter, sure, but 5 stars don't just suddenly skip out on blue bloods en mass to go to South Carolina.

It reminds me of Ole Miss. All of a sudden they started landing 5 star players at a higher rate. I would even argue that Clemson has gone far above and beyond what Ole Miss did as far as recruiting goes.

Any proof of "exceptionally dirty"? Didn't think so. He was with Alabama before Clemson, so he already had contacts and helped recruit for Alabama, so he knows how to get the 5 star players. He built an original model for recruiting that even SEC schools want to emulate but can't.

So 3 years after he takes over as HC his team does better? You mean that his recruits are hitting their prime and the team does better? Fascinating indeed. He also brought in innovative OCs and DCs which maximized his players talents. Some may actually call that coaching and good decisions on personnel.

Coach K (while I may not like him) took a shitty Duke program, and made it equal to NC in 4 years, right in NCs back yard. Barry Alvarez took a shitty WI program and turned it around in 4 years. It can totally happen in college sports, you just need the right guy to do it. Dabo is one of those kind of guys.

Do I think there's cheating in college sports? Oh yeah. No program is totally clean. I just haven't seen any proof that Clemson is "exceptionally dirty". In 2017 the WSJ did a "Grid of Shame" which ranks college football programs according to on-field success and degree of shame, which considers academic performance, NCAA violations/compliance record, player arrests and other factors. Guess who was at the top? Washington, Wisconsin, and Clemson. (Ok, it was based on expected performance going into this season and WI fell way short there). https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-footballs-2017-grid-of-shame-1504194945. Also, very similar in the 2016 version as well. So the evidence doesn't support the "exceptionally dirty" label.

[mraynrand]

^^^ CMI prefers Twitter innuendo to facts

[Fritz]

Since this is the draft thread, let me pose this question:

What happens if, sitting at #12, Gute finds the top player on his board to be a quarterback?

And what if our conspiracy theories about Murphy playing his subordinates off each other is at least somewhat correct? Murphy brought LeFleur to GB partly because he needed a new offense Rodgers could be excited about, and partly because LeFleur, as a rookie HC, was okay with Murphy's wanting to keep Pettine as DC.

So Murphy has set this up hoping to use what's left of Rodgers's window, and he doesn't like the idea of using the #12 overall pick on a quarterback when there are pass rushers or offensive tackles or speedy big tight ends sitting there.

What does he do? What does Gute do? What would you do?

[call_me_ishmael]

Any proof of "exceptionally dirty"? Didn't think so. He was with Alabama before Clemson, so he already had contacts and helped recruit for Alabama, so he knows how to get the 5 star players. He built an original model for recruiting that even SEC schools want to emulate but can't.

I mean, nobody had concrete proof of USC, Arizona, Louisville, etc until they did. It doesn't take a lot of googling to read up on recruiting battles for top prospects between SC and Clemson, Hugh Freeze and Clemson, etc. There are lots of anecdotal stories out there. Players changing their mind$ at the very la$t minute (cha ching). It smells - just like USC did.

To me, the most telling thing is the just looking at the draft. Suddenly all of these Clemson bros are going top 5, top 10, etc. Where did those homies come from? Sort of reminds me of Maryland in the early 2000s. $omething in the water up there in Maryland, or maybe in the syringe, I'm not sure. Probably a little bit of both.


So 3 years after he takes over as HC his team does better? You mean that his recruits are hitting their prime and the team does better? Fascinating indeed. He also brought in innovative OCs and DCs which maximized his players talents. Some may actually call that coaching and good decisions on personnel.

Why be a dingleberry? Of course this is possible. I am saying look at historic records on a long term timeline. There is a significant, unprecedented up swing. Is it all the coach? Well, maybe. But how often has that happened in recent history where it wasn't dirty? Again, not evidence, but it smells.


Coach K (while I may not like him) took a shitty Duke program, and made it equal to NC in 4 years, right in NCs back yard. Barry Alvarez took a shitty WI program and turned it around in 4 years. It can totally happen in college sports, you just need the right guy to do it. Dabo is one of those kind of guys.

Duke was a different era. Alvarez never took UW to the heights that Clemson is at. You serious right now? That's a piss poor comparison. If Bucky went to 4 National Championships in 5 years a few years after Barry took over, then I'd listen.


Do I think there's cheating in college sports? Oh yeah. No program is totally clean. I just haven't seen any proof that Clemson is "exceptionally dirty". In 2017 the WSJ did a "Grid of Shame" which ranks college football programs according to on-field success and degree of shame, which considers academic performance, NCAA violations/compliance record, player arrests and other factors. Guess who was at the top? Washington, Wisconsin, and Clemson. (Ok, it was based on expected performance going into this season and WI fell way short there). https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-footballs-2017-grid-of-shame-1504194945. Also, very similar in the 2016 version as well. So the evidence doesn't support the "exceptionally dirty" label.

Again, there isn't concrete evidence and proof until there is some. It goes from white to black really damn fast. There are lots of rumors and it takes basically no effort to investigate them and see for yourself. If Clemson passes the smell test to you, then hey, by all means, we'll see how it shakes out in a few years, but to me, it absolutely does not pass the smell test. Too many rumors, too many top prospects suddenly spurning other blue blood programs at the last minute, etc.

My gut feeling is Clemson is one recorded phone call away from the whole thing being blown up. I mean, they have a rich track record of cheating and being stripped of titles. There's precedent there.

[pbmax]

The obvious explanation is that Sweeney brought SEC levels of corruption to the ACC. That plus Clemson already being SEC-ish, is how you play for the Championship.

[run pMc]

Wist, I like Devin White too. I've heard him called a bigger, better Roquan Smith. It doesn't sound like he has top 15 buzz...so I wonder where he goes? Not sure if he can play OLB, but he might actually be able to play 3 downs at ILB.
I still like J. Allen best. The guy (Brian Burns?) from FSU is intruiging as a late R1/early R2 player. Polite looks decent.

Gotta think about OL and S too.

[Fritz]

That Josh Allen guy from Kentucky - I think that's his name - looks super-quick, but he also looks light, like he gets pushed around a lot.

Reminds me of Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (KGB), the old Packers 'tweener who had a few good years in Green Bay. I believe he was a fourth or fifth round pick in the early 2000's. Had a couple of 13-sack years. Pass rush specialist.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That Josh Allen guy from Kentucky - I think that's his name - looks super-quick, but he also looks light, like he gets pushed around a lot.

Reminds me of Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (KGB), the old Packers 'tweener who had a few good years in Green Bay. I believe he was a fourth or fifth round pick in the early 2000's. Had a couple of 13-sack years. Pass rush specialist.
Allen looked pretty good in their bowl game. 3 sacks, a hurry or two and a blocked FG. Very fast and a heck of an athlete. I was impressed by him, although I just watched that one game.

[Sparkey]

Jachai Polite and Noah Fant would be a helluva start !

Jachai Polite - EDGE
Noah Fant - TE
Tev'on Coney - ILB
Yodny Cajuste - T
Sheldrick Redwine - S

My first five that I would be very happy about

[call_me_ishmael]

Hey Cheesehead Craig, SI did a nice article on Clemson. They're only the 2nd team in 30 years to see this level of unprecedented improvement.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/01/09/clemson-alabama-national-title-contenders-mailbag

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hey Cheesehead Craig, SI did a nice article on Clemson. They're only the 2nd team in 30 years to see this level of unprecedented improvement.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/01/09/clemson-alabama-national-title-contenders-mailbag

Wait, so if it happened before, then it's precedented. LOL.

Texas A&M has put an obscene amount of money into their program recently, they are really hoping that $ buys titles.

[mraynrand]

Wait, so if it happened before, then it's precedented. LOL.

Texas A&M has put an obscene amount of money into their program recently, they are really hoping that $ buys titles.

That's totally fine. Just make sure no kids get $$$ or shoes for an autograph.

[wist43]

You like Polite ??????????


Wist, I like Devin White too. I've heard him called a bigger, better Roquan Smith. It doesn't sound like he has top 15 buzz...so I wonder where he goes? Not sure if he can play OLB, but he might actually be able to play 3 downs at ILB.
I still like J. Allen best. The guy (Brian Burns?) from FSU is intruiging as a late R1/early R2 player. Polite looks decent.

Gotta think about OL and S too.

Based on what I've seen so far from White, I'd have no problem with him at 12. Guy is a difference maker. Great sideline to sideline speed, great instincts, takes great angles, big hitter.

Love the guy.

I watched a little of Polite... liked him too. Put some NFL muscle on him, he could be a beast.

Just starting to look though. Lot of good front 7 guys.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1083362944115707905

Boy, if Arizona did this and put Rosen on the market, I would think long and hard about dealing a #2 for him, or maybe even the second #1.

[run pMc]

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1083362944115707905

Boy, if Arizona did this and put Rosen on the market, I would think long and hard about dealing a #2 for him, or maybe even the second #1.

Rosen had an atrocious OL blocking for him and an offense that misused David Johnson. Kid's got talent. I think he would be an upgrade over Kizer for sure.

[texaspackerbacker]

I like the idea of Devin White also. We arguably need a high quality ILB more than we need an OLB, although getting both would be good.

I had a higher opinion of Rosen coming out of college than Darnold. I'd be glad to get him cheap, but not for the price he will probably go for - a second or maybe even our lower first round pick. It's a little bit soon to get our replacement for Aaron Rodgers at this point. Rosen absolutely would be an upgrade over Kizer - just about anybody would be.

[Carolina_Packer]

Based on what I've seen so far from White, I'd have no problem with him at 12. Guy is a difference maker. Great sideline to sideline speed, great instincts, takes great angles, big hitter.

Love the guy.

I watched a little of Polite... liked him too. Put some NFL muscle on him, he could be a beast.

Just starting to look though. Lot of good front 7 guys.

How would you compare White to Mack Wilson? It looked like the knock on White is getting caught between run support and coverage. They both look fast and athletic. Thanks, Wist.

[wist43]

How would you compare White to Mack Wilson? It looked like the knock on White is getting caught between run support and coverage. They both look fast and athletic. Thanks, Wist.

I haven't looked at all of them, but so far I only see 1 ILB going in the 1st round - White. I think there's a good chance White won't make it to us at 12.

Wilson wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Martinez, so I wouldn't jump early for him.

[Bretsky]

I haven't looked at all of them, but so far I only see 1 ILB going in the 1st round - White. I think there's a good chance White won't make it to us at 12.

Wilson wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Martinez, so I wouldn't jump early for him.


White has been a popular prediction for us for pick #12 from some of the mock drafts

[wist43]

White has been a popular prediction for us for pick #12 from some of the mock drafts

I don't think White will drop to 12... we'd have to move up to get him probably.

I'd be okay with Polite, maybe Ferrell... haven't looked at Burns yet.

[Joemailman]

He very well might be. It's crazy that Iowa had BOTH of those TE's.

So far, it looks like Hockenson has not declared for the NFL Draft. Darn. I like that guy a lot. Monday is the deadline. I've seen some mocks with the Packers taking Fant with the Saints 1st round pick. I don't think he lasts that long.

[Smidgeon]

Hockenson has declared.

[pbmax]

Hockenson has declared.

for or against?


:lol:

[Carolina_Packer]

It's kind of sad that each and every year the Packers need to invest in defense with high picks. One could argue that perhaps they should at look at what the Colts did and fix the holes in the O-line, which I could be on-board with, if there is someone at 12 that makes sense. Obviously their matchup outdoors with the Chiefs didn't go as planned, but I think that O-line will be good for the foreseeable future, barring injuries.

[run pMc]

It's kind of sad that each and every year the Packers need to invest in defense with high picks. One could argue that perhaps they should at look at what the Colts did and fix the holes in the O-line, which I could be on-board with, if there is someone at 12 that makes sense. Obviously their matchup outdoors with the Chiefs didn't go as planned, but I think that O-line will be good for the foreseeable future, barring injuries.

What the Colts did to protect Luck made a huge difference. It kept him healthy-ish, and upright...which got them to the playoffs. That, and their defense. I don't know that there's anyone at 12 who will be available and BPA, but I could see them taking someone with the Saints pick. I certainly think they need to pick a tackle with one of their top 100 picks.

Pass rush
Safety
OL
TE

I stand corrected on Devin White and lack of top-15 buzz. Looks like he's definitely in the top 15, possibly top 10. A difference maker at ILB is intriuging, they have kind of a mess there now with Martinez, Burks, possibly Josh Jones, Clay if he returns at ILB, plus who knows with Ryan and Morrison. If White fell to them at 12, I'd be voting for him. You take a playmaker where you can get them, regardless of depth.

[mraynrand]

Speaking of impact ILBs, did anyone note how BB (and Maybe little Mac) neutralized Melvin Ingram on Sunday? Well, the neutralized the whole defense, but there were some special blocking combos that just wiped MIIII out.

[pbmax]

Speaking of impact ILBs, did anyone note how BB (and Maybe little Mac) neutralized Melvin Ingram on Sunday? Well, the neutralized the whole defense, but there were some special blocking combos that just wiped MIIII out.

I can't say I saw it, as I gazed in wonder at the hole in zone defense.

What did they do, trap him?

[mraynrand]

I can't say I saw it, as I gazed in wonder at the hole in zone defense.

What did they do, trap him?

Yeah, but there was more to it than that. If I have some time I'll look back on NFL.com, but I recall some nice double teams that seemed just perfectly executed. His head was on a swivel trying to figure out where these guys were coming from. Might be some fun film to watch if you like O-line play. Was Bosa even active? lol.

[pbmax]

Yeah, but there was more to it than that. If I have some time I'll look back on NFL.com, but I recall some nice double teams that seemed just perfectly executed. His head was on a swivel trying to figure out where these guys were coming from. Might be some fun film to watch if you like O-line play. Was Bosa even active? lol.

If there was one coach to commit the NFL version of felony theft for, it might be Scarnecchia.

But this is the genius of BB. He doesn't let a problem fester, preach about winning one on one and do nothing about it until its almost too late. He scheme or techniques it away and does it before the game so the others on offense (or defense) know they have to hold up one on one.

If mid game he needs to double team Gonzalez at TE, he does it and the rest of the D knows how cover the rest of it. He also does it illegally, with lots of hand to the face and grabbing, but that is his choice.

I'll never understand hard headed coaches who preach accountability will just stand there and have their own team's head caved in because they failed to anticipate someone on the other team might be better and we need a plan ready to go just in case. How is player acquisition going to save you down 14 in the second half?

[mraynrand]

I'll never understand hard headed coaches who preach accountability will just stand there and have their own team's head caved in because they failed to anticipate someone on the other team might be better and we need a plan ready to go just in case. How is player acquisition going to save you down 14 in the second half?

Example, Oren Burks: BB game-planned to absolutely destroy him and did so on the first drive. The Packers pulled him, but the BB move would have been to call a TO after he got fried twice and just compensate on the fly (NE was going no-huddle so they couldn't substitute). Actually BB would have just had Burks fake an injury...

[pbmax]

Optimum Scouting, LLC @OptimumScouting

#UGA OC Lamont Gaillard dominating his @Shrine_Game reps everywhere along the line; uses his angles exceptionally well to leverage defenders and blocks very well on the move. Adds immediately value to any zone-blocking scheme as an agile and versatile interior lineman

[pbmax]

Optimum Scouting, LLC @OptimumScouting
#ShrineGame West Day 2 “Winners”

-#FresnoSt QB Marcus McMaryion
-#LSU RB Nick Brosette
-#FresnoSt WR KeeSean Johnson
-#Missouri TE Kendall Blanton
-#Kansas DT Daniel Wise
-#UCLA SAF Adarius Pickett
-#Troy CB Blace Brown

[pbmax]

Optimum Scouting, LLC @OptimumScouting

#ShrineGame East Day 2 “Winners”

-#OleMiss QB Jordan Ta’amu
-#UVA RB Jordan Ellis
-#Georgia WR Terry Godwin
-#Syracuse WR Jamal Custis
-#NCState OG Tyler Jones
-#Kentucky OG Bunchy Stallings
-#VirginiaTech DT Ricky Walker
-@JMUFootball CB Jimmy Moreland

[pbmax]

Optimum Scouting, LLC @OptimumScouting

#ShrineGame East Day 1 “Winners”

-#OleMiss QB Jordan Ta’amu
-#UVA RB Jordan Ellis
-#Georgia WR Terry Godwin
-#OleMiss WR DeMarkus Lodge
-@MorganStateFB OG Josh Miles
-#Syracuse DT Chris Slayton
-#Kentucky CB Derrick Baity

#ShrineGame West Day 1 “Winners”

-@NDSUfootball QB Easton Stick
-#Nebraska RB Devine Ozigbo
-#FresnoState WR KeeSean Johnson
-#SanDiegoState OL Ryan Pope
-@BearkatSports D Derick Roberson
-#TexasAM DE Landius Durham
-#Tulane CB Donnie Lewis
-#Wisconsin SAF D’Cota Dixon

[Bretsky]

What the Colts did to protect Luck made a huge difference. It kept him healthy-ish, and upright...which got them to the playoffs. That, and their defense. I don't know that there's anyone at 12 who will be available and BPA, but I could see them taking someone with the Saints pick. I certainly think they need to pick a tackle with one of their top 100 picks.

Pass rush
Safety
OL
TE

I stand corrected on Devin White and lack of top-15 buzz. Looks like he's definitely in the top 15, possibly top 10. A difference maker at ILB is intriuging, they have kind of a mess there now with Martinez, Burks, possibly Josh Jones, Clay if he returns at ILB, plus who knows with Ryan and Morrison. If White fell to them at 12, I'd be voting for him. You take a playmaker where you can get them, regardless of depth.



GETTING HAMMER OUT TO START POUNDIN THE TABLE

DAVID EDWARDS ANYBODY ??????

Ideally top of round 2 if he drops

[Bretsky]

Speaking of impact ILBs, did anyone note how BB (and Maybe little Mac) neutralized Melvin Ingram on Sunday? Well, the neutralized the whole defense, but there were some special blocking combos that just wiped MIIII out.


He was invisible

[texaspackerbacker]

GETTING HAMMER OUT TO START POUNDIN THE TABLE

DAVID EDWARDS ANYBODY ??????

Ideally top of round 2 if he drops

David Edwards? Seriously? He was the weak link of the Badgers O Line - missed blocks, penalties, etc. I was actually pleased that he decided to declare for the draft. If you want a Badger O Lineman, go for Deiter in maybe the 3rd or 4th round. He should be a helluva NFL Guard.

[Fritz]

Please. No more lists of the Packers' top positional needs. What they need is talent. You're on the clock, and the best player on your board is a wide receiver? Take him. A guard? Take him. A corner? Take him.

Picking for need became part of TT's downfall. I think MM started bitching more and more about his needs ("Ted, I have needs, and you have needs..."), and Thompson's downfall was going too far to accommodate him.

[mraynrand]

Even more, they need successful picks at a higher rate. They have 6 picks through the fourth round. They need 4 starters from that with at least 2 at pro bowl level talent.

[pbmax]

Even more, they need successful picks at a higher rate. They have 6 picks through the fourth round. They need 4 starters from that with at least 2 at pro bowl level talent.

No pressure!

[pbmax]

Please. No more lists of the Packers' top positional needs. What they need is talent. You're on the clock, and the best player on your board is a wide receiver? Take him. A guard? Take him. A corner? Take him.

Picking for need became part of TT's downfall. I think MM started bitching more and more about his needs ("Ted, I have needs, and you have needs..."), and Thompson's downfall was going too far to accommodate him.

Preach it NeoTed.

[mraynrand]

No pressure!

The front office guys' shirts should be more soaking wet than Vince's at the Superbowl.

[jklowan]

The guys I like at the top of the draft so far, if we could get 3 I'd be very happy...


Rashan Gary (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2260648/rashan-gary) Edge Michigan (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/MICH/michigan-wolverines/)
Deionte Thompson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2180575/deionte-thompson) S Alabama
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/BAMA/alabama-crimson-tide/)Cody Ford (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2179651/cody-ford) OT Oklahoma
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/OKLA/oklahoma-sooners/)T.J. Hockenson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2251097/tj-hockenson) TE Iowa (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWA/iowa-hawkeyes/)

[Joemailman]

The guys I like at the top of the draft so far, if we could get 3 I'd be very happy...


Rashan Gary (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2260648/rashan-gary) Edge Michigan (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/MICH/michigan-wolverines/)
Deionte Thompson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2180575/deionte-thompson) S Alabama
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/BAMA/alabama-crimson-tide/)Cody Ford (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2179651/cody-ford) OT Oklahoma
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/OKLA/oklahoma-sooners/)T.J. Hockenson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2251097/tj-hockenson) TE Iowa (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWA/iowa-hawkeyes/)


I think Thompson goes in the top 10. He is the consensus top safety in a group that isn't great.

[Fritz]

The guys I like at the top of the draft so far, if we could get 3 I'd be very happy...


Rashan Gary (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2260648/rashan-gary) Edge Michigan (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/MICH/michigan-wolverines/)
Deionte Thompson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2180575/deionte-thompson) S Alabama
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/BAMA/alabama-crimson-tide/)Cody Ford (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2179651/cody-ford) OT Oklahoma
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/OKLA/oklahoma-sooners/)T.J. Hockenson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2251097/tj-hockenson) TE Iowa (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWA/iowa-hawkeyes/)



Rashan Gary? He looks like a run-stopper to me.

[jklowan]

Rashan Gary? He looks like a run-stopper to me.

I hope this is our pick at 12... I think he could do both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHwB3IgbAQ

[Joemailman]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/08/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-rashan-gary/

These guys list Gary as an Edge defender, but say he is best suited as a 3T. That would fit in well with Pettine's desire to have guys who can rush the passer from inside, but is he stout enough to play on the line against he run?


Rashan Gary is a versatile defender with the needed abilities to be a disruptive force working from 3T. Gary has the ability to set the edge vs. the run and can be worked on the outside sparingly, although his pass rush skills are best utilized in scenarios that allow him to play with linear angles and with his hips aligned behind his pads to optimize his power and quickness.

[Bretsky]

The guys I like at the top of the draft so far, if we could get 3 I'd be very happy...


Rashan Gary (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2260648/rashan-gary) Edge Michigan (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/MICH/michigan-wolverines/)
Deionte Thompson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2180575/deionte-thompson) S Alabama
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/BAMA/alabama-crimson-tide/)Cody Ford (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2179651/cody-ford) OT Oklahoma
(https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/OKLA/oklahoma-sooners/)T.J. Hockenson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2251097/tj-hockenson) TE Iowa (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWA/iowa-hawkeyes/)




Thompson would be a good pick #12 and Hockenson, who I pounded the table for a while back, pick #32.

But then....where in the hell is the pass rush coming from ?

[wist43]

Rashan Gary has produced pretty much nothing - you'd be drafting him on pure projection.

Would avoid him like the plague.

[pbmax]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/08/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-rashan-gary/

These guys list Gary as an Edge defender, but say he is best suited as a 3T. That would fit in well with Pettine's desire to have guys who can rush the passer from inside, but is he stout enough to play on the line against he run?

I call bullshit on scouting in general. Linear angles? WHAT!?

What is the other kind of D line leverage; quadratic curves?

[pbmax]

If Fritz and wist don't like him, I almost am convinced he will be actively terrible.

And drafted by the Packers.

[wthigoot]

That Josh Allen guy from Kentucky - I think that's his name - looks super-quick, but he also looks light, like he gets pushed around a lot.

Reminds me of Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (KGB), the old Packers 'tweener who had a few good years in Green Bay. I believe he was a fourth or fifth round pick in the early 2000's. Had a couple of 13-sack years. Pass rush specialist.

This is an interesing comparison as he is almost exactly the same height/weight as KGB, but KGB played 4-3 DE and Allen would play 3-4 OLB. KGB took a couple of years to get started but Allen might be able to get sacks right away; as you say, not sure about him holding the edge on run downs.

In three years Josh Allen could sack Josh Allen when GB plays BUF.

[denverYooper]

I call bullshit on scouting in general. Linear angles? WHAT!?

What is the other kind of D line leverage; quadratic curves?

Imagine if a scout and a wine reviewer had a child...

[pbmax]

Imagine if a scout and a wine reviewer had a child...

https://www.flickfilosopher.com/wptest/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/opuscritic.gif

[pbmax]

Brent Sobleski @brentsobleski
Offensive line draft picks are never sexy, yet seven offensive tackles--

Jonah Williams,
Greg Little,
Cody Ford,
Yodny Cajuste,
Jawaan Taylor,
Dalton Risner
and Andre Dillard

--display first-round traits/ability. A couple may switch positions, but it's a talented group.

[mraynrand]

Imagine if a scout and a wine reviewer had a child...

"AJ Hawk has a delicate nose of moderate length"

[pbmax]

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
Today’s hot take: Juan Thornhill is better than a lot of the bigger named safeties in this class. Round 2 player.

Virginia, I looked it up.

[wist43]

Haven't looked at too many guys yet, but of those I have...

Don't like Jeffery Simmons, and can't figure out what all the fuss is for Josh Allen. Simmons plays too upright and gets locked up too easily, and Allen doesn't get off blocks like someone who is being considered at the top of the draft.

Some guys I liked...

Devin White, love this guy. He is my leader in the clubhouse at this early stage. Really like Polite as well. Another guy is Christian Wilkins - sacrilegious I know - but he kind of reminds me of Reggie White in how he moves and plays the game.

Another guy I like, but he doesn't have the measurables is Ed Oliver. Only 275 LBS for an interior player... I've seen mocks of him in the top 5, down into the 20's... just not sure he could fit.

Long way to go, will keep looking.

[Joemailman]

Haven't looked at too many guys yet, but of those I have...

Don't like Jeffery Simmons, and can't figure out what all the fuss is for Josh Allen. Simmons plays too upright and gets locked up too easily, and Allen doesn't get off blocks like someone who is being considered at the top of the draft.

Some guys I liked...

Devin White, love this guy. He is my leader in the clubhouse at this early stage. Really like Polite as well. Another guy is Christian Wilkins - sacrilegious I know - but he kind of reminds me of Reggie White in how he moves and plays the game.

Another guy I like, but he doesn't have the measurables is Ed Oliver. Only 275 LBS for an interior player... I've seen mocks of him in the top 5, down into the 20's... just not sure he could fit.

Long way to go, will keep looking.
I've seen a lot of mocks that have Packers taking Polite at #12. That's also about where he's listed on a lot of boards. Seeing White from mid-teens to late 20's. Would be sweet if Gutey found a way to get them both.

[wist43]

I've seen a lot of mocks that have Packers taking Polite at #12. That's also about where he's listed on a lot of boards. Seeing White from mid-teens to late 20's. Would be sweet if Gutey found a way to get them both.

Pretty sure White will be gone in the top 10... if he's there at 12 it will be b/c some of the loser franchises traded up to get QB's that will invariably bust.

That's the only scenario I see White dropping that far. Yes he plays inside, but he is just a beast in there. He's the kind of player that will make those around him better.

[Joemailman]

Pretty sure White will be gone in the top 10... if he's there at 12 it will be b/c some of the loser franchises traded up to get QB's that will invariably bust.

That's the only scenario I see White dropping that far. Yes he plays inside, but he is just a beast in there. He's the kind of player that will make those around him better.

Bears took Roquan Smith at #8. I'm not sure yet if White is seen as that caliber of player.

[pbmax]

Shrine Game heights, weights, hand size and favorite authors

http://rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/85744/351/shrine-week-measurements

[mraynrand]

Shrine Game heights, weights, hand size and favorite authors

http://rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/85744/351/shrine-week-measurements

I clicked for the favorite authors

[Fritz]

Pretty sure White will be gone in the top 10... if he's there at 12 it will be b/c some of the loser franchises traded up to get QB's that will invariably bust.

That's the only scenario I see White dropping that far. Yes he plays inside, but he is just a beast in there. He's the kind of player that will make those around him better.

I think Mel Kiper's first mock has White going to Detroit at #8. Maybe Bob Quinn is trying to make up for his very AJ Hawk-like pick of Jarrad Davis a couple years ago in the first round.

[Joemailman]

Seeing a lot of mocks with Packers taking Jachai Polite and Noah Fant with their 1st round picks. That would probably be pretty popular here, so I guess we can rule it out.

[Bretsky]

Seeing a lot of mocks with Packers taking Jachai Polite and Noah Fant with their 1st round picks. That would probably be pretty popular here, so I guess we can rule it out.



I can put the nail in the coffin by posting my mock and predicting they do ?

In all seriousness I was predicting GB takes the other Iowa TE and then when I figured out he hadn't even declared yet, I researched Fant more and I have told friends GB will nab him in round 1.

Now that the other dude declared I'm not sure what to think.

Either would be a great fit in GB

[pbmax]

I want at least one WTF? pick in the first round. I don't want to be able to find the kid's school with Google.

[Bretsky]

I want at least one WTF? pick in the first round. I don't want to be able to find the kid's school with Google.


YOU ARE GOING ALL WILD ON US AGAIN :))))

Typically you are the voice of reason trying to contain me......now you want a Kyle Thorton of RIdgers Rodgers like round 3 pick in round 1 ? I remember those being captain obvious WTF picks

Da Rats scout well; we don't want a WTF pick.

[pbmax]

YOU ARE GOING ALL WILD ON US AGAIN :))))

Typically you are the voice of reason trying to contain me......now you want a Kyle Thorton of RIdgers Rodgers like round 3 pick in round 1 ? I remember those being captain obvious WTF picks

Da Rats scout well; we don't want a WTF pick.

Tell that to Chad Jackson. :lol:

PackerRats picks look good in hindsight because we forget the poor choices or the multiple choices (eg. I want one of these guys).

Ted's WTF? picks in the second round were gold. No one wanted these picks at this spot:Terrence Murphy, Collins, Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Hayward, Lacy, or Adams. I would say everyone wanted a RB in Lacy's year, but were mad when trading down and losing out on the other choices. The need choices Spriggs, Worthy, Colledge, King have been very mixed.

You could argue Lacy was a need and Rollins was such an outside the box pick that even though the position was a need, you can't call him consensus in any way.

I was arguing with wist (I think it was him*) about suggestions that PR were better than Ted. I suggested we have a thread detailing specific picks you would take with the slot in the first three round. No bargaining, no multi player lists, not guy in you post from February means we identified him.

Live, one person one player selection while Packers are on the clock. You and the Packers face the same board. It'll be easy to do the first round. Second and third get fast so unclear how well that will go.


* in his defense he believed that we were not superior to the pros, but had foreseen some trouble, especially on defense

[mraynrand]

Ted's WTF? picks in the second round were gold. No one wanted these picks at this spot:Terrence Murphy, Collins, Nelson, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Hayward, Lacy, or Adams.

Who is that second Nelson guy?

[pbmax]

Who is that second Nelson guy?

He is so nice the Packers picked him twice.

[mraynrand]

Tell that to Chad Jackson. :lol:

PackerRats picks look good in hindsight because we forget the poor choices or the multiple choices (eg. I want one of these guys).

Ted's WTF? picks in the second round were gold. No one wanted these picks at this spot:Terrence Murphy, Collins, Nelson, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Hayward, Lacy, or Adams. I would say everyone wanted a RB in Lacy's year, but were mad when trading down and losing out on the other choices. The need choices Spriggs, Worthy, Colledge, King have been very mixed.

You could argue Lacy was a need and Rollins was such an outside the box pick that even though the position was a need, you can't call him consensus in any way.

I was arguing with wist (I think it was him*) about suggestions that PR were better than Ted. I suggested we have a thread detailing specific picks you would take with the slot in the first three round. No bargaining, no multi player lists, not guy in you post from February means we identified him.

Live, one person one player selection while Packers are on the clock. You and the Packers face the same board. It'll be easy to do the first round. Second and third get fast so unclear how well that will go.


* in his defense he believed that we were not superior to the pros, but had foreseen some trouble, especially on defense

You could just make a Packerrats big board, with ranking within categories, overall and ranking position categories. Draft will then be almost automatic - just need some general consensus so that if the top ranked guy when each pick comes up is always say a tackle you could choose the next guy down if you've already picked one (or we could do it right after the draft, and adjust slightly, depending on how guys fall). Then we'd know if we were actually better. Let Wist make the big board and we (you) can fight over his rankings.

[Joemailman]

pb with the double nelson.

[mraynrand]

pb with the double nelson.

I just want to note that I think that hold (that is, the Full Nelson, not the Half-Nelson - which is kinda where Jordy is right now) is illegal in most wrestling leagues. If Harlan were here, he could confirm or deny, if he isn't still blocking me.

[Bretsky]

Tell that to Chad Jackson. :lol:

PackerRats picks look good in hindsight because we forget the poor choices or the multiple choices (eg. I want one of these guys).

Ted's WTF? picks in the second round were gold. No one wanted these picks at this spot:Terrence Murphy, Collins, Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Hayward, Lacy, or Adams. I would say everyone wanted a RB in Lacy's year, but were mad when trading down and losing out on the other choices. The need choices Spriggs, Worthy, Colledge, King have been very mixed.

You could argue Lacy was a need and Rollins was such an outside the box pick that even though the position was a need, you can't call him consensus in any way.

I was arguing with wist (I think it was him*) about suggestions that PR were better than Ted. I suggested we have a thread detailing specific picks you would take with the slot in the first three round. No bargaining, no multi player lists, not guy in you post from February means we identified him.

Live, one person one player selection while Packers are on the clock. You and the Packers face the same board. It'll be easy to do the first round. Second and third get fast so unclear how well that will go.


* in his defense he believed that we were not superior to the pros, but had foreseen some trouble, especially on defense


TED had a lot of WTF picks in the 2nd round and some work and some didn't. I think many liked the Lacy, Cobb, and Adams picks as a fyi. I can't remember about Hayward. Round 3 WTF'ers seemed to be a downfall of ThanksTed

But my main point, was I don't want WTF picks in round one

[pbmax]

TED had a lot of WTF picks in the 2nd round and some work and some didn't. I think many liked the Lacy, Cobb, and Adams picks as a fyi. I can't remember about Hayward. Round 3 WTF'ers seemed to be a downfall of ThanksTed

But my main point, was I don't want WTF picks in round one

I will concede to the consensus on the first Round 1 pick, just because its so baffling to understand why they fail at the same rate as sixth rounders.

After that, I want Fritz posting that he hated the draft because it didn't address any needs and he never heard of these people. Which means it'll be great*. Ted's drafts got weird (other than 1st round which were always problematic) when he started drafting for recognizable needs. The Worthy pick haunts me :D


*This is not a knock on Fritz, but a recognition that he agreed with me than any draft that made sense to us the day after was usually terrible.

[pbmax]

You could just make a Packerrats big board, with ranking within categories, overall and ranking position categories. Draft will then be almost automatic - just need some general consensus so that if the top ranked guy when each pick comes up is always say a tackle you could choose the next guy down if you've already picked one (or we could do it right after the draft, and adjust slightly, depending on how guys fall). Then we'd know if we were actually better. Let Wist make the big board and we (you) can fight over his rankings.

If someone can wake up Mad and get us limited upload space, we can post our own rankings.

It should be part SPARQ and part scouting in my literal first thought about this.

I volunteer to track down the SPARQ numbers for players. Who will lead our scouting department? We are going to need some formal grading system or perhaps just a ranking with round grade, but it should be as uniform as possible among scouts.

[mraynrand]

If someone can wake up Mad and get us limited upload space, we can post our own rankings.

It should be part SPARQ and part scouting in my literal first thought about this.

I volunteer to track down the SPARQ numbers for players. Who will lead our scouting department? We are going to need some formal grading system or perhaps just a ranking with round grade, but it should be as uniform as possible among scouts.

Nice to offer. I can't really help, as I don't follow college hardly at all. Good luck waking The Mexican. (Wasn't Zool a moderator for a while? He has been AWOL since September.)

[ThunderDan]

I can put the nail in the coffin by posting my mock and predicting they do ?

In all seriousness I was predicting GB takes the other Iowa TE and then when I figured out he hadn't even declared yet, I researched Fant more and I have told friends GB will nab him in round 1.

Now that the other dude declared I'm not sure what to think.

Either would be a great fit in GB

I was running a draft on Fanspeak.com the other day and NE took Fant at 29 ahead of my pick at 32. Now I should be able to grab him before the Pats.

[mraynrand]

I was running a draft on Fanspeak.com the other day and NE took Fant at 29 ahead of my pick at 32. Now I should be able to grab him before the Pats.

Fant-astic!

[Carolina_Packer]

Fant-astic!

:rs: Try the veal!

[denverYooper]

I want at least one WTF? pick in the first round. I don't want to be able to find the kid's school with Google.

Some Demon ILB from Miskatonic University.

[denverYooper]

Who is that second Nelson guy?

https://alchetron.com/cdn/nelson-band-92a4691c-0526-4b2d-af1a-a598850ebfa-resize-750.jpeg

[SMBASS]

I watched a lot of Iowa football and I'd still take their other TE T.J. Hockenson before Noah Fant. I'm not even sure you'd have to take either one of them at the end of the 1st round. One of them should definitely still be available in the 2nd.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Former #Ravens national scout Milt Hendrickson has officially accepted a senior personnel department position with the #Packers and is with GM Brian Gutekunst in Mobile, Ala., for the Senior Bowl, a source said.

[pbmax]

Some Demon ILB from Miskatonic University.

I am not sure what kind of year the Colorado School of Mines had, but they are usually good for a 4th round pick.

[pbmax]

https://alchetron.com/cdn/nelson-band-92a4691c-0526-4b2d-af1a-a598850ebfa-resize-750.jpeg

One of them was a great Gunnar.

[run pMc]

I like Fant a little better than Hockenson, and I like Irv Smith, Jr. more than either. Caleb Wilson maybe in a later round. Looked a little bit at Kaden Smith, was a bit of a plodder and they flexed him out a lot but those Stanford TE's seem to pan out ok.

To me drafting a TE with a high pick is the same as for drafting a RB. You pull the trigger if it's a special player or you feature them in your offense (a la Zach Ertz or vintage Jimmy Graham/Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez), otherwise I'm thinking you can get away with decent production with a mid/late round pick.

Defense -- pass rush and safety -- and OT are bigger needs IMO. I think MLF will get more production out of the TEs than M3 did the last 2 seasons.

[wist43]

Some Demon ILB from Miskatonic University.

The Fighting Syrup Gatherers 😋

[wist43]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Former #Ravens national scout Milt Hendrickson has officially accepted a senior personnel department position with the #Packers and is with GM Brian Gutekunst in Mobile, Ala., for the Senior Bowl, a source said.

Well, that's encouraging as I almost always like the Ravens draft more than ours - at least on defense.

[pbmax]

Well, that's encouraging as I almost always like the Ravens draft more than ours - at least on defense.

That is what we are all hoping.

[Fritz]

I like Fant a little better than Hockenson, and I like Irv Smith, Jr. more than either. Caleb Wilson maybe in a later round. Looked a little bit at Kaden Smith, was a bit of a plodder and they flexed him out a lot but those Stanford TE's seem to pan out ok.

To me drafting a TE with a high pick is the same as for drafting a RB. You pull the trigger if it's a special player or you feature them in your offense (a la Zach Ertz or vintage Jimmy Graham/Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez), otherwise I'm thinking you can get away with decent production with a mid/late round pick.

Defense -- pass rush and safety -- and OT are bigger needs IMO. I think MLF will get more production out of the TEs than M3 did the last 2 seasons.


Needs? Listen, pMc, I have needs, and you have needs. We all have needs. Screw the needs. Draft the best player available. Get talent on this team. If your first first round pick comes up, and the best player available on your board is a quarterback, pick 'em. If it's a running back, pick 'em. Guard? Same. Wide receiver? Same.

This. Team. Needs. Talent.

[Bretsky]

I watched a lot of Iowa football and I'd still take their other TE T.J. Hockenson before Noah Fant. I'm not even sure you'd have to take either one of them at the end of the 1st round. One of them should definitely still be available in the 2nd.


I think Fant goes round one due to speed and athletic ability

Anybody know how fast Hockenson is ? He's the real deal as a blocker too and IMO a better route runner.

[mraynrand]

Needs? Listen, pMc, I have needs, and you have needs. We all have needs. Screw the needs.

You have a one track mind

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dB9cfRYvRl8/T7-qD1oBk-I/AAAAAAAAA2U/OrxsnPe-J5g/s1600/drew-barrymore-hot-wallpapers-+%2811%29.jpg

[wist43]

You have a one track mind

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dB9cfRYvRl8/T7-qD1oBk-I/AAAAAAAAA2U/OrxsnPe-J5g/s1600/drew-barrymore-hot-wallpapers-+%2811%29.jpg

That sir, is NOT an attractive woman 🤭

Wait, is it a woman?? 🤔

[mraynrand]

That sir, is NOT an attractive woman ��

Wait, is it a woman?? ��

You're in a lot of trouble

https://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/10502_5.jpg

[Fritz]

That sir, is NOT an attractive woman ��

Wait, is it a woman?? ��

Of course, Wist, you would disagree with me. Of course.

[pbmax]

Of course, Wist, you would disagree with me. Of course.

Internet denizens have famously high standards. The world owes them that much, as they do so much unappreciated work constructing memes.

[run pMc]

Needs? Listen, pMc, I have needs, and you have needs. We all have needs. Screw the needs. Draft the best player available. Get talent on this team. If your first first round pick comes up, and the best player available on your board is a quarterback, pick 'em. If it's a running back, pick 'em. Guard? Same. Wide receiver? Same.

This. Team. Needs. Talent.

That is certainly true. I'm skeptical a TE will be the BPA at 12. This draft is now considered -- according to so-called experts -- strong on DL and average just about everywhere else. I was thinking of it more in terms of value and opportunity cost - but both sides of the ball need help in GB.
I think many teams have tiers of players (i.e., top 10, 11-20, 21-35, 36-50, 50-75, 75-100, 100-150, etc.) and if there are players similarly graded players but one is at a position of need they take them. I also think that as a general rule there are some positions you don't spend a high pick on (punter, kicker, etc.) and some you almost have to. If a franchise QB falls to you, you take them.

Basically, if they are a playmaker or a blue-chip player, you take them regardless of position.

[run pMc]

Wait, is it a woman?? ��

That is definitely (a cheesecake photo of) a woman.

[Fritz]

That sir, is NOT an attractive woman ��

Wait, is it a woman?? ��


You are a better judge of football talent than women, methinks.

[pbmax]

No compensatory picks for Packers this year, looks like.

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

[mraynrand]

No compensatory picks for Packers this year, looks like.

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

Rams and Patriots will get the most. lol

[wist43]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEHx6DqWgAAXWnY.jpg


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is an attractive woman :hrt:

Not sure she can play LB, but I'm willing to give her a few years to work at it :)

[Fritz]

She looks very capable of swiveling her hips.

[pbmax]

Has anyone else heard this about Hendrickson?


His forte was drafting offensive linemen with the Ravens, expertise he'll likely bring to the Packers. His new title is the team's director of football operations, previously held by Eliot Wolf.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/brian-guteunst-offers-admiration-for-packers-imperfect-og-group-432

Gutekunst doesn't sound convinced he is taking a Guard. I can see believing a healthy Taylor returns to form. But the best performer last year at RG was Lucas Patrick. Bell and McCray did not look like the answer.

[Joemailman]

Has anyone else heard this about Hendrickson?



https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/brian-guteunst-offers-admiration-for-packers-imperfect-og-group-432

Gutekunst doesn't sound convinced he is taking a Guard. I can see believing a healthy Taylor returns to form. But the best performer last year at RG was Lucas Patrick. Bell and McCray did not look like the answer.

I wouldn't have expected Gutey to say, "We're definitely going to draft a Guard early, because out Guards suck." Take most of what you hear this time of year with a grain of salt.

[pbmax]

I wouldn't have expected Gutey to say, "We're definitely going to draft a Guard early, because out Guards suck." Take most of what you hear this time of year with a grain of salt.

Maybe not. And he did mention he likes the group competition brewing to make them better, which is basically code for not good enough yet.

But GMs (if you aren't Ted) have acknowledged deficiencies before.

[mraynrand]

Lucas Patrick did look good down the stretch. Could be the capable two-spot guard backup they need. But they need a starter or two, depending on whether Taylor bounces back. I'm not sure Terror Guard from Washington is the answer even if he does return, because he's been strictly pass pro - no way to know if he has any run blocking chops. Have to bring in at least one starting caliber guard along with a franchise RT.

[Joemailman]

Lucas Patrick did look good down the stretch. Could be the capable two-spot guard backup they need. But they need a starter or two, depending on whether Taylor bounces back. I'm not sure Terror Guard from Washington is the answer even if he does return, because he's been strictly pass pro - no way to know if he has any run blocking chops. Have to bring in at least one starting caliber guard along with a franchise RT.

Cole Madison's mobility might be effective though in the outside zone blocking LaFleur uses. Packers signed Nico Siragusa, who was drafted when Milt Hendrickson was with Baltimore off Ravens practice squad last year, but Siragusa might be bad fit for outside zone blocking scheme. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nico-siragusa?id=2557874

[mraynrand]

Cole Madison's mobility might be effective though in the outside zone blocking LaFleur uses. Packers signed Nico Siragusa, who was drafted when Milt Hendrickson was with Baltimore off Ravens practice squad last year, but Siragusa might be bad fit for outside zone blocking scheme. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nico-siragusa?id=2557874

Good points - I forgot about the changing blocking scheme. Siragusa probably can handle it, depending on how permanently damaged he is.

[Joemailman]

Wondering what Badger fans think of Michael Deiter maybe as a 3rd round pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

I consider Deiter the best of the Badger O Linemen. I was thinking 4th round, but maybe 3rd wouldn't be bad either.

[mraynrand]

Wondering what Badger fans think of Michael Deiter maybe as a 3rd round pick.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/e3/be/d2e3be7ef7e38f0431a5bff402425ff0.jpg

[Fritz]

Does anyone know if Cole Madison wants to play football or not?

[Joemailman]

Does anyone know if Cole Madison wants to play football or not?

I've heard nothing about him since last August.


Gutekunst did not get into the details of his personal issue, but he does expect Madison to want to continue playing football. He’s also not ruling out Madison reporting to Green Bay at some point in 2018.

“When that issue is resolved, we’ll get back to the football part of it,” Gutekunst said. “We’re in constant communication and have full support for him at this time.”





Madison's agent did say in late August that Madison plans on playing for the Packers. But since that, nothing.

[pbmax]

Senior Bowl QBs

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/26/what-we-learned-about-every-senior-bowl-quarterback/

Blecch. No wonder everyone is talking about next year's class.

[wist43]

Can Ed Oliver be another Aaron Donald, and will Devin White drop to 12??

If either of them is available, do we pounce??

As of now, I'm not sure if Oliver is on my wish list, but he's disruptive enough to be considered.

So as of now...

White, Polite, Oliver, and Christian Wilkins.

[Freak Out]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/e3/be/d2e3be7ef7e38f0431a5bff402425ff0.jpg

He'd make an exquisite guard.

[Joemailman]

Can Ed Oliver be another Aaron Donald, and will Devin White drop to 12??

If either of them is available, do we pounce??

As of now, I'm not sure if Oliver is on my wish list, but he's disruptive enough to be considered.

So as of now...

White, Polite, Oliver, and Christian Wilkins.

If the many draft sites are at all accurate, White and Oliver are not likely to be available. Wilkins and Polite probably would be. Polite is probably the most popular pick for the Packers at #12 among mocks.

Of course, the real guessing games start after the combine. Oliver missed 4 games in 2018 with a knee injury, and reaggravated it late in the year. He did not play in Houston's bowl game. That will be an issue discussed at the Combine.

[wist43]

If the many draft sites are at all accurate, White and Oliver are not likely to be available. Wilkins and Polite probably would be. Polite is probably the most popular pick for the Packers at #12 among mocks.

Of course, the real guessing games start after the combine. Oliver missed 4 games in 2018 with a knee injury, and reaggravated it late in the year. He did not play in Houston's bowl game. That will be an issue discussed at the Combine.

I expect White and Oliver to be gone, but you never know.

Hopefully Gute will move as necessary to get difference makers.

[wist43]

Assuming White is gone, I found a lower round guy I really like - David Long, LB WV. Smallish, but very active, very instinctive.

Montez Sweat is rising for me... not sure where his stock is right now. After a strong SR Bowl though, he's rising.

Brian Burns.. if we miss out on Polite early. . Maybe Burns in the 2nd??

[Bretsky]

Assuming White is gone, I found a lower round guy I really like - David Long, LB WV. Smallish, but very active, very instinctive.

Montez Sweat is rising for me... not sure where his stock is right now. After a strong SR Bowl though, he's rising.

Brian Burns.. if we miss out on Polite early. . Maybe Burns in the 2nd??


Many mocks have us taking Polite

I was bored last night so I went mock draft reading and nearly every one I saw has the Bengals taking your boy White the pick before us (on a sidenote TY to Marcia for not having the balls to sit down Rodgers and improve our draft pick)

I'd seen a mock with GB taking Brian Burns at pick 12 so my guess is he's rising.

Montez Sweat seems to be mocking in the 18-25 area.

So Wist, please rate Polite, Burns, White, Burns, David Long and Sweat from 1-6.

Personally I'd LOVE it if GB goes with a pass rusher in early round one and then an athletic ILB with their 2nd pick in round one.

[run pMc]

I admittedly know little about a lot of these guys, never heard of David Long until I Googled him. He's listed as 5-11, 220 and the Big 12 DPOY...so he's undersized and could probably be had in later rounds. Might have to protect him with a fat guy DL.

I did see some of Sweat and Burns' highlights; seems like Sweat is very athletic and that's what gets him by, but yeah the recent buzz is he gave everyone fits at the Sr. Bowl. Youtube made him look a bit more raw than Burns. Players like that worry me a little bit because EVERYONE is pretty athletic on the pro level, and if you only have one pass rush move it gets figured out and neutralized fast.
Both of them are pretty light and will need to get stronger to hold up against pro OT's and the run game. Nonetheless I wouldn't be mad if Gute spent a 1 and 2 on them...they might be Leonard Floyd-ish.

(I also realize that watching highlights is not the best barometer; it can make anyone look like a future HOFer.)

The scoop I read on Ed Oliver was that he was a surefire top 3 pick but has slid a little because he's smaller (shorter/lighter) than advertised and not the 2nd coming of Aaron Donald. Mike Daniels is a bit sawed off and he's done ok, but he was a R4 pick. I don't know how I'd feel about GB picking a guy who's 6'1" and barely 300 to play on the DL. Someone who runs a 4-3 will fall in love with him and take him top 10, so it probably isn't an issue.

[Fritz]

Assuming White is gone, I found a lower round guy I really like - David Long, LB WV. Smallish, but very active, very instinctive.

Montez Sweat is rising for me... not sure where his stock is right now. After a strong SR Bowl though, he's rising.

Brian Burns.. if we miss out on Polite early. . Maybe Burns in the 2nd??

How can he be small and Long?

I'm so confused.

I think Marquez Sweat is one of those guys who's going to shoot up the draft boards because of his athleticism. someone will grab him really earlier than any early mock will show, I believe.

I don't know much about any of these guys. I don't know who Christian Polite is, though you all have been talking about him. I only know that if they draft Brian Burns, they'd better nickname him "Mister."

Doh!

[Cheesehead Craig]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/e3/be/d2e3be7ef7e38f0431a5bff402425ff0.jpg


He'd make an exquisite guard.

Now is the time on offense when we run block.

[call_me_ishmael]

I wonder how Sweat compares to the dude we all wanted last year who is a beast for the Saints now.

[run pMc]

I wonder how Sweat compares to the dude we all wanted last year who is a beast for the Saints now.

Davenport is heavier I think.
Some might hope for a little more production (22 tackles, 6 TFL, 12 QB hits, 4.5 sacks, 0 Ints, 1 FF, 2 PD in 13 games) out of a top 15 pick...but it was his rookie year. Would that be underperforming your expectations if Sweat was picked at #12 and did that?

[Bretsky]

Wasn't Davenport playing all banged up too ?

[Fritz]

Wasn't Davenport playing all banged up too ?

Possibly, but if the Packers had drafted him, people would be pissed off that they'd OBVIOUSLY drafted someone who was injury-prone.

[texaspackerbacker]

The little I've seen of Sweat, he looked better than Allen, the guy who is speculated to be the top pick or close to it. And I would think there is a strong chance he would be there at #12. Devin White would be my first choice because ILB is more of a need, but assuming he is gone, Sweat would look real good in Green and Gold.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Possibly, but if the Packers had drafted him, people would be pissed off that they'd OBVIOUSLY drafted someone who was injury-prone.

Yep. Hawk put up better numbers than he did, and Hawk was derided as a JAG from the get-go.

[pbmax]

Oh I agree that the NFL is in overall decline, but they still bring in mountains of cash. I think it's still got about a decade of being the top sports dog in 'Murica.

A heads up on the first mention I have seen about new TV contracts and the future of revenue for the NFL deals.

https://twitter.com/AaronNagler/status/1090318352281714689
Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler
Good god.

Bloomberg: https://t.co/h5pn4zt94e

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyGWwtPWsAAREnU.jpg

[pbmax]

From the Bloomberg article:


For years, pro football has inspired that kind of passion in millions of fans. The NFL generated about $15 billion this past season, making it the king of U.S. sports. And the league is about to lean even harder on its fans, aiming to boost its annual revenue to $25 billion by 2027. That may test the limits of a sport grappling with shifting TV habits and controversies surrounding brain injuries and the national anthem.

But tailwinds could help the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell achieve their growth targets. The spread of legalized sports betting across the U.S. promises to lock in fans and keep them riveted to games. Tech companies like Amazon.com Inc. and Facebook Inc., meanwhile, have emerged as bidders for big-dollar broadcast packages.

“Roger’s aspirational target of $25 billion is starting to look pretty good,” said Marc Ganis, a sports consultant who advises the NFL and a number of its owners on business strategies.


I think the Packers are going to be OK with Rodgers contract :lol:

[pbmax]

Same article: baseball just landed a 36% increase in its fees.

[run pMc]

A heads up on the first mention I have seen about new TV contracts and the future of revenue for the NFL deals.

https://twitter.com/AaronNagler/status/1090318352281714689
Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler
Good god.

Bloomberg: https://t.co/h5pn4zt94e

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyGWwtPWsAAREnU.jpg

Well, this will probably be at least one thread of its own...first thoughts are what the NFLPA will want, how long the strike will be, what this will cost the fans, and how will salary caps and pay structures change...

[run pMc]

Back to the draft - I'm thinking about WRs today.

I'd like to see them sign G-Mo, let Cobb walk, sign a younger/healthier vet WR, and draft a late round flier. Between a FA WR and a Day 3 pick/UDFA diamond maybe they can play them in the slot.

The Alvin Whitted hire (new WR coach) got me looking at his latest CSU product, Preston Williams. Turns out the kid is a 6-4" transfer from UTenn and was extremely productive. https://nfcbeast.com/2018/12/23/2019-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-prospects-that-produced-in-2018/ (there are Youtube videos out there; looks raw w/ upside.)

I still like that Adam Humphries guy from TB as a Cobb replacement, and I guess GB met with Penny Hart at the whatever bowl.
The DD tweet about Cole Beasley is a no - that dude can play but he's 30 and has taken a beating. Maybe he'd be cheap and an upgrade from Cobb but I'm skeptical and would prefer a vet with less wear on the tires.

I think J'Mon, Kumerow, and Trevor Davis are definitely on the bubble.

[pbmax]

Combine News:

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Mississippi State DT Jeffery Simmons – a potential top-10 pick – and Colorado State WR Preston Williams have been informed they won’t be invited to the scouting combine because they don't meet the criteria under the NFL's policy about past issues involving violence, sources say.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Simmons was arrested in 2016 after a physical altercation with a woman. Williams was arrested in 2017 for an altercation involving a woman. They are the only two known to be barred under this year, sources say, but invitations have been rescinded in past after background checks.


Dear Commissioner PR, this kind of message, which is just a form of PR stunt, doesn't help. It doesn't deter. It only incentivizes hiding crimes.

[Joemailman]

Combine News:

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Mississippi State DT Jeffery Simmons – a potential top-10 pick – and Colorado State WR Preston Williams have been informed they won’t be invited to the scouting combine because they don't meet the criteria under the NFL's policy about past issues involving violence, sources say.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Simmons was arrested in 2016 after a physical altercation with a woman. Williams was arrested in 2017 for an altercation involving a woman. They are the only two known to be barred under this year, sources say, but invitations have been rescinded in past after background checks.


Dear Commissioner PR, this kind of message, which is just a form of PR stunt, doesn't help. It doesn't deter. It only incentivizes hiding crimes.

Preston Williams was coached this past year by Packers new WR coach Alvis Whitted. I imagine Packers draft team has already asked Whitted about his thoughts on Williams.

[texaspackerbacker]

I still say we do not need to draft a WR, certainly not in the early rounds, but if this guy Williams' past causes him to drop enough and we could get him about in the 5th round, then he would be worth a shot.

[Joemailman]

I still say we do not need to draft a WR, certainly not in the early rounds, but if this guy Williams' past causes him to drop enough and we could get him about in the 5th round, then he would be worth a shot.

Actually I've seen 2 big boards and one mock draft that have Williams listed at 200+, which would make him a 7th round pick. He's a size/speed prospect whose 2018 season was his only productive season in college. He sat out 2017 because he transferred from Tennessee to Colorado St.

[Bretsky]

Wondering what Badger fans think of Michael Deiter maybe as a 3rd round pick.


He'd be an amazing fit for GB
No brainer that I'll be poinding the table for if he's still there
He can play multiple positions and play them well.

David Edwards, despite was Tex says, is also going to be a very good pro

[Bretsky]

I consider Deiter the best of the Badger O Linemen. I was thinking 4th round, but maybe 3rd wouldn't be bad either.

Edwards is going round 2 and it would not surprise me to see Deiter late 2 or round 3. I hope GB gets him in round 3

[wist43]

Don't know what you guys are looking at with Deiter... I just watched some of the SR Bowl practices, and Deiter got his ass kicked on every rep.

I am not exaurating, he was quite literally the worst OL taking reps.

Based on the SR Bowl practices, I'd be surprised if Deiter is even drafted.

[pbmax]

Don't know what you guys are looking at with Deiter... I just watched some of the SR Bowl practices, and Deiter got his ass kicked on every rep.

I am not exaurating, he was quite literally the worst OL taking reps.

Based on the SR Bowl practices, I'd be surprised if Deiter is even drafted.

Links man, links!

[Bretsky]

Don't know what you guys are looking at with Deiter... I just watched some of the SR Bowl practices, and Deiter got his ass kicked on every rep.

I am not exaurating, he was quite literally the worst OL taking reps.

Based on the SR Bowl practices, I'd be surprised if Deiter is even drafted.


Wisty.....I didn't see any Senior Bowl stuff but you seem to be Anti Badger

Didn't you hate TJ Watt too ?

[wist43]

Wisty.....I didn't see any Senior Bowl stuff but you seem to be Anti Badger

Didn't you hate TJ Watt too ?

Yeah, I'm gun shy of Badgers transitioning to the pros.

That said, Deiter was absolutely horrible in the OL/DL drills I watched.

I'm on the road and can't post the link... maybe one of you guys can post it for me??

It's Sr Bowl north practice, Voch Lombardi analysis... think it was day 2, cant remember - but I'll check.

[Joemailman]

https://gbnreport.com/2019-senior-bowl-offensive-line-review/


The Wisconsin duo of Michael Deiter and Beau Benzschawel also had their struggles. Deiter appeared to be a step slow off the snap and didn’t get much push, while Benzschawel tended to play a little high and struggled with lateral agility and ended up allowing 4-5 pressures.

I believe these comments were from the game on Saturday.

[bobblehead]

The more Mock drafts I read and the more I think about who will be available and what positions are deep I can't see many scenario's other than the packers going edge at 12 and TE at 30. There are just too many edge guys available compared to other drafts to NOT grab one of them at 12. Unless there is a bigger run on them than anyone is predicting at 1-11, in which case OT or trade down seems most likely. TE just happens to be where need will meet BPA at the back end of the round.

[pbmax]

The more Mock drafts I read and the more I think about who will be available and what positions are deep I can't see many scenario's other than the packers going edge at 12 and TE at 30. There are just too many edge guys available compared to other drafts to NOT grab one of them at 12. Unless there is a bigger run on them than anyone is predicting at 1-11, in which case OT or trade down seems most likely. TE just happens to be where need will meet BPA at the back end of the round.

If there are too many EDGE guys, shouldn't they trade back or wait?

Or they all going early?

[wist43]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Soa5w8Mdc

Here's that SR Bowl OL/DL Day 2 Drill with Deiter getting repeatedly whooped.

[bobblehead]

If there are too many EDGE guys, shouldn't they trade back or wait?

Or they all going early?

There seem to be just enough. Allen and Bosa go top 5 in every mock. After that Polite, Farrell and Sweat go anywhere from 6 to 14. We pick 12. Any of those guys project better than anyone outside of Chubb from last years draft. Polite goes to GB most often. Farrell seems to have the widest range. Sweat is the sexy pick since the senior bowl, but honestly won't likely go top 12. Burns sneaks up there in several drafts as well. I just see a scenario where there is ONE edge left that they like above the others when they pick. Who it will be? No idea.

[pbmax]

There seem to be just enough. Allen and Bosa go top 5 in every mock. After that Polite, Farrell and Sweat go anywhere from 6 to 14. We pick 12. Any of those guys project better than anyone outside of Chubb from last years draft. Polite goes to GB most often. Farrell seems to have the widest range. Sweat is the sexy pick since the senior bowl, but honestly won't likely go top 12. Burns sneaks up there in several drafts as well. I just see a scenario where there is ONE edge left that they like above the others when they pick. Who it will be? No idea.

OK, so they are near but not in too much danger of being at the end of the EDGE run.

[call_me_ishmael]

My hope is they take two edgies in the hope of hitting big on one. They really need to shore up that position that has been woefully inept since 2014ish.

[run pMc]

My hope is they take two edgies in the hope of hitting big on one. They really need to shore up that position that has been woefully inept since 2014ish.

Agree. They need to draft a couple of them, and I think they will as they've done recently with RB (Williams, Jones, Mays) and WR (Moore, MVS, ESB) and twice with CB (R&R, Jaire&Jackson). Pettine can manufacture pressure from a lot of places but if Clay walks and Perry's cut you have basically nothing out there except Fackrell's career tryhard year to point to.

I could see them going with an EDGE at pick 12 and then going back to it on Day 2 & 3. They need to shore up the right side of the OL and draft at least one decent Safety (and probably sign a veteran).

[wist43]

Agree. They need to draft a couple of them, and I think they will as they've done recently with RB (Williams, Jones, Mays) and WR (Moore, MVS, ESB) and twice with CB (R&R, Jaire&Jackson). Pettine can manufacture pressure from a lot of places but if Clay walks and Perry's cut you have basically nothing out there except Fackrell's career tryhard year to point to.

I could see them going with an EDGE at pick 12 and then going back to it on Day 2 & 3. They need to shore up the right side of the OL and draft at least one decent Safety (and probably sign a veteran).

White is #1 on my wishlist as of now... a lot of teams have Burns as a 2nd rounder, he might still be there with the 30th pick.

[Joemailman]

White is #1 on my wishlist as of now... a lot of teams have Burns as a 2nd rounder, he might still be there with the 30th pick.

Ratings and mocks are all over the place right now. One that came out today had Raiders taking Burns at #4, White at #24, and Packers taking Polite at #30. https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/02/04/marinos-2019-nfl-mock-draft-5-0/

[RashanGary]

I really want an edge rusher too. It’s a deep year for edge rushers. Let’s hope! But who ever we draft, I really hope gute hits. We need a couple playmakers.

[pbmax]

Packers just need to trade Kizer to the Rams for Aaron Donald.

[wist43]

Ratings and mocks are all over the place right now. One that came out today had Raiders taking Burns at #4, White at #24, and Packers taking Polite at #30. https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/02/04/marinos-2019-nfl-mock-draft-5-0/

I think most people have White as a top 10 player, Polite 10-15, and Burns 20-40.

Burns has big upside, but he's pretty raw. I like Polite better than Burns.

[run pMc]

I think most people have White as a top 10 player, Polite 10-15, and Burns 20-40.

Burns has big upside, but he's pretty raw. I like Polite better than Burns.

Agree.

Combine/Pro Day performances and background checks pending, yeah. Brian Burns at #4 (LOL Raiderz) might pan out long term but he is raw and needs NFL coaching/weight room. If he's there at #30 and Gute took him I could see it but even at #12 he'd be a bit of a reach. To be clear: I actually think he's a decent late R1/early R2 pick, and looks like that Sweat kid. Until about a week before the draft most of the mocks are going to look very stupid.

Does McGinn still do his draft writeups on that website of his? Generally those were pretty legit.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen
Edge rusher (Jachai Polite), tight end (Noah Fant) and inside linebacker (Devin Bush) for the #Packers with their first three picks in Dane's latest mock draft. Thoughts?

Mock: https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1092785515647193089

[Fritz]

Packers just need to trade Kizer to the Rams for a former cornerback who could transition to the safety spot and be a starter there.

FIFY

[pbmax]

Kizer and a fourth for Donald and Shields.

[pbmax]

Galaxy Brain:

Packers had 7th ranked offense in DVOA
Packers had 29th ranked defense in DVOA
Packers had 29th ranked special teams in DVOA

Drafting only defense has failed for years. Also not a fan of doubling up on a position in back to back rounds. Seems like you are taking action, but what you are doing is concentrating risk elsewhere.

Focus in offseason has to be D, especially in FA. But draft has to be more evenly distributed than it has in past few drafts. FA will might change that calculus, but they ignore offense at their peril.

Suggestion: resist the urge to do something dramatic on D like change entire draft strategy. Want to make a splash? Trade up with extra pick or sign a FA.

[run pMc]

Michael Cohen
Edge rusher (Jachai Polite), tight end (Noah Fant) and inside linebacker (Devin Bush) for the #Packers with their first three picks in Dane's latest mock draft. Thoughts?

Mock: https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1092785515647193089

Depends on whether Devin Bush is an upgrade over Josh Jones or Oren Burks. He's supposed to be fast, but he's 5-11". Packers drafted D.J.Smith at about that size and he ended up pretty meh.

[run pMc]

Galaxy Brain:
Drafting only defense has failed for years. Also not a fan of doubling up on a position in back to back rounds. Seems like you are taking action, but what you are doing is concentrating risk elsewhere.

Focus in offseason has to be D, especially in FA. But draft has to be more evenly distributed than it has in past few drafts. FA will might change that calculus, but they ignore offense at their peril.

Suggestion: resist the urge to do something dramatic on D like change entire draft strategy. Want to make a splash? Trade up with extra pick or sign a FA.

A defense-only draft would deeply concern me. They need to add talent/replenish depth at some offensive positions through the draft, regardless of who they sign from FA.
I'd probably be ok if they went D with up to 2/3 of their picks, but I agree drafting same position with back to back picks is risky.

I will say in the case of Josh Jackson, some mocks had him going at #14, so I see that as more of a BPA/value pick in R2 than a pure need pick. If they ignore the OL or S in the 1st 3 rounds they are definitely doing so at their peril.

[pbmax]

A defense-only draft would deeply concern me. They need to add talent/replenish depth at some offensive positions through the draft, regardless of who they sign from FA.
I'd probably be ok if they went D with up to 2/3 of their picks, but I agree drafting same position with back to back picks is risky.

I will say in the case of Josh Jackson, some mocks had him going at #14, so I see that as more of a BPA/value pick in R2 than a pure need pick. If they ignore the OL or S in the 1st 3 rounds they are definitely doing so at their peril.

I kinda expect Jackson fell for the reasons we saw last year. Little too grabby for the pros, much better in zone than man. Very raw.

I get the value idea and I am on board for a BPA draft.

But if Jackson protects as a zone corner only and we are a man defense, then immediately you have a problem. And if the idea was that he will play safety, what was last year?

If you are going to double up and do value, you have to be committed to a plan that makes the pick succeed. Not sure that is the spot for a scheme misfit.

I am sure they felt he could adapt. But that might not be good enough to double up.

[wist43]

A defense-only draft would deeply concern me. They need to add talent/replenish depth at some offensive positions through the draft, regardless of who they sign from FA.
I'd probably be ok if they went D with up to 2/3 of their picks, but I agree drafting same position with back to back picks is risky.

I will say in the case of Josh Jackson, some mocks had him going at #14, so I see that as more of a BPA/value pick in R2 than a pure need pick. If they ignore the OL or S in the 1st 3 rounds they are definitely doing so at their peril.

The problem has been, for many years, the Packers as an organization have sucked at evaluating, developing, and utilizing defensive players.

It has been a cat chasing its tail misadventure since Wolf left.

If Gute has his shit together, we should see Edge and ILB filled early. My guess is OL, WR, and Fant will all be viable considerations at 30 and 44. White or Polite at 12.

[pbmax]

The problem has been, for many years, the Packers as an organization have sucked at evaluating, developing, and utilizing defensive players.

It has been a cat chasing its tail misadventure since Wolf left.

If Gute has his shit together, we should see Edge and ILB filled early. My guess is OL, WR, and Fant will all be viable considerations at 30 and 44. White or Polite at 12.

But what tells you he has his shit together? Is Alexander enough?

[bobblehead]

Ratings and mocks are all over the place right now. One that came out today had Raiders taking Burns at #4, White at #24, and Packers taking Polite at #30. https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/02/04/marinos-2019-nfl-mock-draft-5-0/

I do the same thing whenever I gather information. I look for common themes and consensus of information/opinion. GMs do their own thing though and like last year I said that if Derwin was there when we pick we have to grab him...instead SD got a stud. I can't complain, I like Alexander and I like having a #30 this year.

There is always a few shocks in the draft, but I can almost guarantee that Allen and Bosa are gone at 12, and that one of the others will still be there. Only way we don't take edge is if a) we trade down or b) the only 2 that gutes likes after the top 2 get taken ahead of us and he just isn't sold on any of the others. I am betting he likes someone at edge at 12.

[bobblehead]

Galaxy Brain:

Packers had 7th ranked offense in DVOA
Packers had 29th ranked defense in DVOA
Packers had 29th ranked special teams in DVOA

Drafting only defense has failed for years. Also not a fan of doubling up on a position in back to back rounds. Seems like you are taking action, but what you are doing is concentrating risk elsewhere.

Focus in offseason has to be D, especially in FA. But draft has to be more evenly distributed than it has in past few drafts. FA will might change that calculus, but they ignore offense at their peril.

Suggestion: resist the urge to do something dramatic on D like change entire draft strategy. Want to make a splash? Trade up with extra pick or sign a FA.

I definately agree you fill every hole you can in FA so you can draft BPA. Thing is we have enough holes that we should draft BPA regardless.

[pbmax]

I definately agree you fill every hole you can in FA so you can draft BPA. Thing is we have enough holes that we should draft BPA regardless.

I agree with this, but I guess I am adding a caveat. Don't duplicate position picks back to back.

[ThunderDan]

Quick 3 Round Mock at FanSpeak:
LB DEVIN WHITE LSU
TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA
S DEIONTE THOMPSON ALABAMA
EDGE OSHANE XIMINES ODU

White was available at 12 so passed on Edge nothing left at 30.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd be well satisfied if it turned out that way. White is my top choice if he's available - greater need there than edge rusher. Ximines sounds better than a 3rd rounder, and I like Haakenson a little bit - not as much as some people in here. And Deionte Thompson, hasn't he been projected as a first rounder?

[wist43]

I agree with this, but I guess I am adding a caveat. Don't duplicate position picks back to back.

Change that avatar would ya??!! It's creepy...

[run pMc]

I agree with this, but I guess I am adding a caveat. Don't duplicate position picks back to back.

What if you have 2 R4 picks and you decide to draft a pair of OT's to challenge for the RG and RT?

I agree on the back-to-back picks when you're talking about R1-3. Once Day 3 rolls around it's less of an issue IMO.
You need at least 4 CBs to handle injuries or play dime defense, so I understand the need to draft a lot of them...but early picks on Randall/Rollins and then Alexander/Jackson is a lot to spend.

[Joemailman]

My Fanspeak Mock:

Perhaps unrealistic with the last pick.

12: R1P12 LB DEVIN WHITE LSU
30: R1P30 EDGE JACHAI POLITE FLORIDA
44: R2P12 RB JOSH JACOBS ALABAMA
75: R3P11 WR J.J. ARCEGA-WHITESIDE STANFORD
114: R4P12 TE ZACH GENTRY MICHIGAN
118: R4P16 S DEIONTE THOMPSON ALABAMA

[jklowan]

My fanspeak mock:

12: EDGE CLELIN FERRELL CLEMSON
30: S DEIONTE THOMPSON ALABAMA
44: G MICHAEL JORDAN OHIO STATE
75: OT YODNY CAJUSTE WEST VIRGINIA
114: TE JOSH OLIVER SAN JOSE STATE
118: LB TE'VON CONEY NOTRE DAME
151: DL DANIEL WISE KANSAS
187: LB KHALIL HODGE BUFFALO
195: TE DAWSON KNOX OLE MISS
228: CB SHELDRICK REDWINE MIAMI

[pbmax]

What if you have 2 R4 picks and you decide to draft a pair of OT's to challenge for the RG and RT?

I agree on the back-to-back picks when you're talking about R1-3. Once Day 3 rolls around it's less of an issue IMO.
You need at least 4 CBs to handle injuries or play dime defense, so I understand the need to draft a lot of them...but early picks on Randall/Rollins and then Alexander/Jackson is a lot to spend.

Less concerned with later picks. Talking mainly top 3. Certainly would not object to two non consecutive OL prospects in this draft.

My preference would be to move around to reset value/BPA so the duplicate position wasn't the only choice with the 1st-3rd round picks.

[wist43]

Okay... been looking at some guys. White is at the top of my wish list.

1(12) Devin White or Polite

1(30) If White? Burns. If Polite, maybe on OT (Little or Cajuste)

2(44) Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

[Fritz]

A defense-only draft would deeply concern me. They need to add talent/replenish depth at some offensive positions through the draft, regardless of who they sign from FA.
I'd probably be ok if they went D with up to 2/3 of their picks, but I agree drafting same position with back to back picks is risky.

I will say in the case of Josh Jackson, some mocks had him going at #14, so I see that as more of a BPA/value pick in R2 than a pure need pick. If they ignore the OL or S in the 1st 3 rounds they are definitely doing so at their peril.

"Value pick" - now there's a term I can't stand. I think it's a term made up by people like Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to rationalize why the guy they mocked #15 overall didn't go until the end of the second round.

[pbmax]

EDIT: this was in the wrong thread initially.

Polite: Is this impressive or desperate?

https://twitter.com/Sami_Thalji/status/909253328386887680

[red]

"Value pick" - now there's a term I can't stand. I think it's a term made up by people like Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to rationalize why the guy they mocked #15 overall didn't go until the end of the second round.

Exactly, we’ll said

[pbmax]

"Value pick" - now there's a term I can't stand. I think it's a term made up by people like Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to rationalize why the guy they mocked #15 overall didn't go until the end of the second round.


Exactly, we’ll said

Problem is that you don't really know its a value until you see him on the team. Jackson at one point may be a starter and great contributor, and I'd be happy to call that a value pick.

But BPA also fits that description. Mostly, the team has to be sure it has a plan for the guy and is willing to make him succeed. I am not sure we saw that with Jackson last year. We'll see, he was just a rookie.

[wist43]

EDIT: this was in the wrong thread initially.

Polite: Is this impressive or desperate?

https://twitter.com/Sami_Thalji/status/909253328386887680

Watching the clip... what's ur point??

And when are u going to get a new avatar?? Child molester creepy!!

[Joemailman]

Combine News:

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Mississippi State DT Jeffery Simmons – a potential top-10 pick – and Colorado State WR Preston Williams have been informed they won’t be invited to the scouting combine because they don't meet the criteria under the NFL's policy about past issues involving violence, sources say.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Simmons was arrested in 2016 after a physical altercation with a woman. Williams was arrested in 2017 for an altercation involving a woman. They are the only two known to be barred under this year, sources say, but invitations have been rescinded in past after background checks.


Dear Commissioner PR, this kind of message, which is just a form of PR stunt, doesn't help. It doesn't deter. It only incentivizes hiding crimes.

Simmons' situation just got much worse. He tore his ACL in a workout.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001017723/article/mississippi-st-dt-jeffery-simmons-suffers-torn-acl


Projected first-round Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons suffered a brutal workout injury.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Simmons tore his ACL doing a routine drill during a workout, per a source informed of the situation. The DT will undergo surgery.


Simmons was barred from attending the NFL Scouting Combine stemming from a 2016 arrest after a physical altercation with a woman. Simmons was charged with simple assault and disturbing the peace and pleaded no contest.

The 21-year-old racked up 157 tackles, seven sacks, four forced fumbles and six passes defended in three seasons at Mississippi State and was projected as a top-10 pick by some draft analysts earlier this offseason.

[wist43]

Cody Ford looks like a pretty good player...

12) White/Polite
30) Ford
44) Marquis Brown

Would be pretty happy with that haul.

[Smidgeon]

As I start reading through mock drafts, I often see EDGE/TE combo with GB's first round picks. I can't tell the difference between Clelin Ferrell and Colin Farrell (well, I can, but you get the point), so which EDGE GB gets is largely irrelevant to me at this point.

But whenever I see GB not get a TE with the Saints pick and he ends up going to the Patriots at 32, I cringe. My wishlist this year is one of the two Iowa TEs. I don't know which one is better, but that's who I want with the second pick.

[call_me_ishmael]

If the scouts and analysts are right, Hockenson won't be available at 30 and might not be available at 12.

[Smidgeon]

If the scouts and analysts are right, Hockenson won't be available at 30 and might not be available at 12.

Of the mocks I've read over the last two weeks, only about 1/8 has him gone before 12. Maybe 1/2 of them have him gone before 30 though.

[wist43]

I'd be okay with Fant at 30, but would prefer OT Ford, or Burns if we get White at 12.

Dont want Hockenson in the 1st round... let someone else take him. Haven't scouted TE's much yet.

[Joemailman]

A big NO to taking Hockenson at #12. TE's drafted top 20 rarely justify being picked that high. Gronk and Zach Ertz were 2nd round picks. I'd be okay with Hock or Fant at #30.

[call_me_ishmael]

Gronk was only picked that low because of injury. Many felt he was the best prospect in the draft allegedly. That's what my research on his has claimed, anyway. I'm of the belief that they have Aaron Freakin' Rodgers and Devante Adams, they don't need a TE, they just need Aaron to throw the ball faster.

[pbmax]

Evan Lazar @ezlazar
Only watched one game so far of T.J. Hockenson. The #Patriots might love him but he's not sniffing the end of the first round. What a stud.

Doug Farrar @NFL_DougFarrar
He's gonna get Gronk comps because he can block, but I'm not going there. Gronk is on an entirely different level. But he reminds me of Bennett in that he's a plus blocker, uses his size well, and is a very easy mover through traffic.

[pbmax]

Overrated Board by Matt Miller at Bleacher Report

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820850

Just picking out positions that might be of interest early to the Packers.

Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss
"Oof...this guy is just bad. I don't know what to tell you. He doesn't move well enough to play left. He's too lazy. I laugh every time he's in the first round of a mock draft." — NFC pro scout

"I think this one is pretty obvious because the hype on him has really died down. I remember reading a mock draft in midseason that had him as a top-15 pick, and he was just never that good." — NFC area scout


Dexter Lawrence, DL, Clemson
"It's nothing against the kid, but teams should know better than to draft a nose tackle early. He's Vita Vea. He's Danny Shelton. These guys are never worth the early pick." — AFC general manager


David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
"I love the hype on this kid because it means someone good will fall to us. Everyone sees 'Wisconsin' and thinks he must be special when the truth is he's all-day average." — AFC area scout

OUCH

[pbmax]

Miller's Top 32 this week

1. Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State

2. Quinnen Williams, DL, Alabama

3. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky

4. Rashan Gary, DL, Michigan

5. Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama

6. Devin White, LB, LSU

7. Ed Oliver, DL, Houston

8. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama

9. Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson

10. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

11. Montez Sweat, EDGE, Miss. State

12. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

13. Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State

14. Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State

15. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

16. Jeffery Simmons, DL, Miss. State

17. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU

18. Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma

19. Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State

20. Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson

21. T.J. Hockenson, TE, Iowa

22. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson

23. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

24. Taylor Rapp, S, Washington

25. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida

26. Irv Smith Jr., TE, Alabama

27. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

28. Jaylon Ferguson, EDGE, Louisiana Tech

29. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State

30. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri

31. Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

32. Johnathan Abram, S, Miss. State

[pbmax]

OK tape eaters, can this guy play?

4. Sleeper of the Week
TCU defensive lineman L.J. Collier

[call_me_ishmael]

Anyone else think 12 might be Kyler Murray territory and the Packers have a nice opportunity to trade down? Given their holes and the plethora of edgies, I wouldn't be opposed to dropping into the early 20s I think.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Overrated Board by Matt Miller at Bleacher Report

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820850

Just picking out positions that might be of interest early to the Packers.

Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss
"Oof...this guy is just bad. I don't know what to tell you. He doesn't move well enough to play left. He's too lazy. I laugh every time he's in the first round of a mock draft." — NFC pro scout

"I think this one is pretty obvious because the hype on him has really died down. I remember reading a mock draft in midseason that had him as a top-15 pick, and he was just never that good." — NFC area scout


Dexter Lawrence, DL, Clemson
"It's nothing against the kid, but teams should know better than to draft a nose tackle early. He's Vita Vea. He's Danny Shelton. These guys are never worth the early pick." — AFC general manager


David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
"I love the hype on this kid because it means someone good will fall to us. Everyone sees 'Wisconsin' and thinks he must be special when the truth is he's all-day average." — AFC area scout

OUCH

In other words, don’t draft a fat guy til the 4th round.

[pbmax]

In other words, don’t draft a fat guy til the 4th round.

Like any other position, you gotta be careful. Fine line between Harrell and Clark, both first round DL.

Harrell gets unfair maligned, he would have been more than serviceable as a monster in the middle had Rock Gullickson not decided he was lazy for eating his mother's fried chicken.

[wist43]

OK tape eaters, can this guy play?

4. Sleeper of the Week
TCU defensive lineman L.J. Collier

I think he flashes on that SR Bowl practice tape I posted about Deiter...

Won more one-on-ones than he lost.

Just to reiterate - Deiter sucks:)

[wist43]

I looked at Greg Little some... he looked good on the tape I watched. Will have to do some more study on him.

[wist43]

Watched the Voch Lombardi evaluation on Greg Little... has all the tools, just needs to be coached out of some bad habits.

Did drop him down to a possible pick at #44 as opposed to #30, and at the same time moved Marquis Brown up to #30 consideration.

The knock on Brown is his size... but I can see all kinds of uses for him - jet sweeps, slot, motion... things we never saw from M3.

That said, there are a lot of good sized receivers in that late 1st - 2nd round range. Butler at 6'6" is intriguing.