The Official other Teams and General NFL News (includes) Management and Coaching moves.

[pbmax]

Reuters Top News @Reuters
McVay regrets 'overpreparing' for Super Bowl https://reut.rs/2YkH41F

What would you say your biggest shortcoming is in the performance of your previous jobs?

Why did you do so poorly on that test?

[QBME]

Janikowski is retiring. So Brady is the final active player remaining who played in the last millennium (2000 is officially the final year of the previous millennium).

Yup : With Janikowski's retirement and that of Lechler earlier this offseason, there now remains just one active player remaining from the 2000 draft: Thomas Edward Patrick Brady.

[mraynrand]

Reuters Top News @Reuters
McVay regrets 'overpreparing' for Super Bowl https://reut.rs/2YkH41F

What would you say your biggest shortcoming is in the performance of your previous jobs?

Why did you do so poorly on that test?

I care too much.

[pbmax]

I care too much.

I over prepared because I care too much about the details.

[mraynrand]

Ziggy Ansah to chickens for a year

[Cleft Crusty]

After Rookie Minicamp, Bears retain only two kickers, Elliott Fry and Chris Blewitt. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/05/chicago-bears-kicker-redford-jones-john-baron-eliott-fry-chris-blewitt/.

In related news, the Green Bay Packers decide against signing kickers Will Missit and Shane K Wideright.

[MadScientist]

Viking cap hell:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837179-minnesota-vikings-are-desperate-to-escape-the-nfls-worst-quarterback-trap?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

[mraynrand]

Viking cap hell:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837179-minnesota-vikings-are-desperate-to-escape-the-nfls-worst-quarterback-trap?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial


The 29-year-old Rudolph told Sid Hartman of the Star Tribune that he won't take a pay cut because he is "too young for that," as if anyone needs a reason to bristle at a pay cut. There's lots of trade speculation, which is inevitable when a cap-strapped team and a respected veteran start haggling over pay cuts.


The most astonishing thing about that article is to find Sid Hartman still alive and working. That guy must be nearing 110.

[red]

drew brees says he is very impressed with new signing jared cook

was letting him go our biggest mistake of the last few years

letting him go so we could sign that giant douchebag piece of shit bennett was just terrible

[Rastak]

The most astonishing thing about that article is to find Sid Hartman still alive and working. That guy must be nearing 110.

Yea. I believe he wrote his first column the year the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor....seriously.

[mraynrand]

Yea. I believe he wrote his first column the year the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor....seriously.

Did Sid Hartman give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

[mraynrand]

that giant douchebag piece of shit bennett

QFT

[pbmax]

drew brees says he is very impressed with new signing jared cook

was letting him go our biggest mistake of the last few years

letting him go so we could sign that giant douchebag piece of shit bennett was just terrible

In retrospect it worked out poorly. But when those silos start to communicate... McCarthy wanted a blocking TE.

[mraynrand]

In retrospect it worked out poorly. But when those silos start to communicate... McCarthy wanted a blocking TE.

Maybe the Ball Silo thought Cook was too expensive. So too many cooks got you fewer Cook.

[pbmax]

Maybe the Ball Silo thought Cook was too expensive. So too many cooks got you fewer Cook.

Could be. Two Silos against One Silo usually win out.

That story always seemed wacky. I think they suddenly discovered they were in the running for Bennett with a plausible-iso reason to move away from Cook.

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Doug Flutie spoke at the Von Miller summit. Flutie told pass rushers to ask offensive linemen for the snap count because "those guys are so stupid that they always ask" each other.

Ouch. Doug getting personal. What is a Von Miller Summit you ask?

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Von Miller brings pass rushers together for third annual summit aimed at making it easier to wreak havoc on quarterbacks

PFT: https://t.co/phXgQ9J2cw

[Patler]

Re Sid Hartman:


Yea. I believe he wrote his first column the year the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor....seriously.

Not quite, but close. It was the year the Japanese surrendered. First article in 1945 per his bio. The guy is 99 years old and still writing.

[mraynrand]

Re Sid Hartman:



Not quite, but close. It was the year the Japanese surrendered. First article in 1945 per his bio. The guy is 99 years old and still writing.

GOAT (old)

[pbmax]

It Could Be Worse Department, Texans.

Not excited about silos or the triumvirate of accountability? Still might be better than having an Executive for Team Development fire your GM after a 17 month tenure.

https://www.riversmccown.com/2019/06/10/how-to-lose-a-gm-in-17-months-what-to-make-of-the-brian-gaine-firing/

To be fair, there are several possible scenarios, including the Head Coach and the owners son activating the trap door. But one of the most connected beat guys, Lance Zierlein, thinks it was this guy, Jack Easterby. He was formerly the Chiefs chaplain and seems to be some kind of leadership coach.

[pbmax]

Everyone relax. The Vikings have used up all their other cap space on Kyle Rudolph.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
On the 4-year, $36M extension the #Vikings & TE Kyle Rudolph agreed to last night that accomplished his ultimate goal of staying in Minnesota: Rudolph gets $1.625M additional this year added to his $7.625M base, per source. $9M fully guaranteed in all. $16.025 in total guarantes.

[Joemailman]

Everyone relax. The Vikings have used up all their other cap space on Kyle Rudolph.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
On the 4-year, $36M extension the #Vikings & TE Kyle Rudolph agreed to last night that accomplished his ultimate goal of staying in Minnesota: Rudolph gets $1.625M additional this year added to his $7.625M base, per source. $9M fully guaranteed in all. $16.025 in total guarantes.

Actually, they're reporting that it gives the Vikings about 4 million more in cap space in 2019. The question is whether he'll be a Viking after 2019. They must have lowered his base this year and given him a signing bonus. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001033319/article/kyle-rudolphs-extension-clears-4m-in-cap-space

[pbmax]

Actually, they're reporting that it gives the Vikings about 4 million more in cap space in 2019. The question is whether he'll be a Viking after 2019. They must have lowered his base this year and given him a signing bonus. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001033319/article/kyle-rudolphs-extension-clears-4m-in-cap-space

That isn't nearly as much fun as my version.

[mraynrand]

It Could Be Worse Department, Texans.

Not excited about silos or the triumvirate of accountability? Still might be better than having an Executive for Team Development fire your GM after a 17 month tenure.

https://www.riversmccown.com/2019/06/10/how-to-lose-a-gm-in-17-months-what-to-make-of-the-brian-gaine-firing/

To be fair, there are several possible scenarios, including the Head Coach and the owners son activating the trap door. But one of the most connected beat guys, Lance Zierlein, thinks it was this guy, Jack Easterby. He was formerly the Chiefs chaplain and seems to be some kind of leadership coach.

Weird. Hard to dissect what's going on there, except it seems they wanted more offseason action. This was interesting:


Wanna trade for like, Jason Spriggs? Make some sort of godfather offer for Laremy Tunsil? Start throwing random late-round picks around for depth guys you think have a chance ala Chris Myers way back in the day? Every NFL team needs cornerbacks and no NFL team has three good offensive tackles.

[pbmax]

NFL teams are run a lot like governments in Mel Brooks movies.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFU

[pbmax]

It could always be worse.


Hogs Haven @HogsHaven
Daily Slop: Doug Williams Says Skins Starting QB Decision Will be Made by Gruden, Allen & Ownership; #Redskins rank 11th best fan base in study

https://t.co/8FBzcdq9g8

[mraynrand]

It could always be worse.


Hogs Haven @HogsHaven
Daily Slop: Doug Williams Says Skins Starting QB Decision Will be Made by Gruden, Allen & Ownership; #Redskins rank 11th best fan base in study

https://t.co/8FBzcdq9g8

10% of the decision should be made by an internet fan poll.

[pbmax]

10% of the decision should be made by an internet fan poll.

After all, we know that rookie QBs start because the fans demand it.

[George Cumby]

10% of the decision should be made by an inept fan poll.

FTFY

[pbmax]

@AndySlater

Unfortunate news: The overnight, rollover crash involving Dolphins DL Kendrick Norton resulted in paramedics having to amputate his left arm at the scene, multiple sources tell me.

[mraynrand]

@AndySlater

Unfortunate news: The overnight, rollover crash involving Dolphins DL Kendrick Norton resulted in paramedics having to amputate his left arm at the scene, multiple sources tell me.


"Kendrick, you've got a month before training camp. Fight through it." - Shaquem Griffin

[George Cumby]

Paramedics amputating on scene?! Wtf?!

[MadScientist]

Paramedics amputating on scene?! Wtf?!

I would guess that it means the arm was trapped and severely damaged and this was the only way to extract him and save is life.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That's brutal.

[George Cumby]

I would guess that it means the arm was trapped and severely damaged and this was the only way to extract him and save is life.

Sounds about right. Amputation kind of out of scope for a medic.

[Joemailman]

Redskins' Josh Norman not only ran with the Bulls, but jumped over them. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035558/article/josh-norman-leaps-over-bull-in-pamplona-spain

[MadScientist]

Redskins' Josh Norman not only ran with the Bulls, but jumped over them. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035558/article/josh-norman-leaps-over-bull-in-pamplona-spain

Kind of nuts. One mistake and he'd be out and not paid (Non-football injury). Has that event changed? It looks less like the running of the bulls and more like annoying of the bulls at the bull fight arena.

[pbmax]

Kind of nuts. One mistake and he'd be out and not paid (Non-football injury). Has that event changed? It looks less like the running of the bulls and more like annoying of the bulls at the bull fight arena.

Bulls are on Celexa now.

[Iron Mike]

That's brutal.

No more phone sex for that poor guy....

[mraynrand]

Bulls are on Celexa now.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F66%2F8c%2Ffd%2F668cfdc419d 8e52c2fa3433bed83bbb7.jpg&f=1

[Joemailman]

Richie Incognito suspended 2 games for violating NFL Personal Conduct Policy:


The discipline is the result of Incognito's role in an April incident at an Arizona funeral home following his father's death. Incognito was arrested and subsequently plead guilty to disorderly conduct.

[pbmax]

Richie Incognito suspended 2 games for violating NFL Personal Conduct Policy:

The guy is a menace. Happened while he was ordering pizza to be delivered to his house.

[George Cumby]

Stay classy Richie.

[Radagast]

GB will host the Houston Texans at their TC this year. I like that teams do this and feel that it provides for a better evaluation of players. Here in Richmond, Va. the Redskins will host the Jets at their TC.

This TC visitation as far as I know has gone league wide. I have had trouble discerning who the rest of the NFC North teams will share TC time with. Who will the Vikings, the Bears , and the Lions practice with this summer?

Outside of the NFC North division, who will teams like the Rams, the Saints, the Steelers, and the Chiefs practice with this year at TC? Inquiring minds want to know !



:pack:

[mraynrand]

It may be better to hit guys you won't have to play with the rest of the season.

[pbmax]

Did Russ Ball let M4 bring back free weights?

[mraynrand]

Did Russ Ball let M4 bring back free weights?

lol

Maybe Mike Wahle will bring back his special equipment.

[pbmax]

NFL coaches first jobs. All 32. Bonus for including new Belichick avatar for the next Patriots Super Bowl win.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26955877/how-started-first-jobs-football-all-32-nfl-head-coaches

[pbmax]

https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2019%2F0628%2Fr563059_797x1296cc. jpg&w=570&format=jpg

[mraynrand]

Andy Reid: Jeebus

https://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2019%2F0514%2Fr543085_1296x729_16 %2D9.jpg&w=1140&cquality=40&format=jpg
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-rnEzjko7zos%2FUJ-LmP6RCGI%2FAAAAAAAAdJk%2FiHeCke2Icn8%2Fs1600%2FTom myBoy_153Pyxurz.jpg&f=1

[pbmax]

He was 15 in that coach photo.

Here he was at 13.


https://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b013488c9ee8a970c-pi

[mraynrand]

He was 15 in that coach photo.

Here he was at 13.


https://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b013488c9ee8a970c-pi

#22 needs to fear being eaten. "Little baby...Get in my belly!"

[RashanGary]

He was 15 in that coach photo.

Here he was at 13.


https://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b013488c9ee8a970c-pi

He’s gotten a little bigger but his geometric shape has held up to the test of time.

[smuggler]

I would guess that it means the arm was trapped and severely damaged and this was the only way to extract him and save is life.

No. There is no such extraction procedure. If his arm was truly amputated at the scene, it was due to the accident and not due to intervention by paramedics. The only gray area would be if his arm was badly mangled and pinned and pulling him out caused it to fall off.

Terrible any way you slice it, though.

[pbmax]

Lions off to a roaring start:

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Lions have placed big-ticket free agent pass-rusher Trey Flowers on the PUP list.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Falcons DL Michael Bennett, who went down in practice today, suffered a broken ankle and is out indefinitely, sources say. First day of work and already a major injury.

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036289/article/seahawks-dl-jarran-reed-suspended-six-games


The Seattle Seahawks will start the 2019 campaign without a key piece of their defensive line.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reports that defensive lineman Jarran Reed is being suspended six games for a violation of the personal conduct policy for an incident from early 2017. He was not charged or arrested.

Reed's appeal was denied Friday morning, per Rapoport.

The suspension is a brutal blow to the Seahawks, who were expecting a big season from Reed. The 26-year-old is coming off a breakout campaign in 2018 in which he compiled 10.5 sacks and 50 tackles in 16 regular-season starts.

The 2016 second-round pick enters the final year of his rookie deal and was a candidate for an extension. Whether the suspension alters those plans remains to be seen.

[pbmax]

Jarran Reed of the Seachickens suspended for 6 games in 2019 for an alleged assault in 2017. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036289/article/seahawks-dl-jarran-reed-suspended-six-games?campaign=Twitter_atn

Here is the report of the initial investigation: https://www.king5.com/article/sports/nfl/seahawks/sources-seahawk-jarran-reed-investigated-for-assault/437977570

He was neither charged nor arrested. Interesting, given that they have public evidence against Hill, who was not suspended. I read that the mother of Hill's child refused to speak to the NFL. Possible that the woman involved with Reed did.

[pbmax]

@RapSheet
The #Jets are releasing RB De’Angelo Henderson today, source said. The former #Broncos 6th rounder was on the NYJ active roster last season.

[George Cumby]

No. There is no such extraction procedure. If his arm was truly amputated at the scene, it was due to the accident and not due to intervention by paramedics. The only gray area would be if his arm was badly mangled and pinned and pulling him out caused it to fall off.

Terrible any way you slice it, though.

That’s wrong.

[pbmax]

Toronto Raptors coaching moves, sorta.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1139380483945455617

Matt Norlander @MattNorlander
Tony Bennett guarding Nick Nurse — in 1989. Both men coached their teams to championships 30 years later, barely two months apart. The universe can be freaking incredible sometimes.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8_kQ7AU4AUypf2.jpg

[mraynrand]

Peterman fumbled the ball on his finances

https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/07/adrian-peterson-made-100-million-owes-millions-debt?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportstw&utm_source=twitter.com


Despite earning close to $100.2 million throughout his playing career, legendary running back Adrian Peterson is swimming in debt.

The Athletic reported that AP's mounting debt has led to legal issues. Per Daniel Kaplen, Peterson is being sued by a Pennslyvania lender for neglecting to pay back a $5.2 million loan. He's also been named in two separate lawsuits. For one, the judge ordered AP to pay a creditor $2.4 million while he's expected to cough up $600,000 to another creditor.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Maybe if the creditors took a switch to AP's genitals and inner thighs, he may learn his lesson.

[Fritz]

Maybe if the creditors took a switch to AP's genitals and inner thighs, he may learn his lesson.

In other big news, the Lions sign Mike Daniels.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2019/07/26/detroit-lions-mike-daniels/1841874001/

[run pMc]

Peterman fumbled the ball on his finances

https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/07/adrian-peterson-made-100-million-owes-millions-debt?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportstw&utm_source=twitter.com

Wow. I'm sure there's a lot more to this story, but losing that kind of money is like being a real life Brewster's Millions.

[run pMc]

In other big news, the Lions sign Mike Daniels.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2019/07/26/detroit-lions-mike-daniels/1841874001/

A 1 year deal? Length & $$$ (esp. guaranteed) say a lot about what other teams think of his value.

[pbmax]

Maybe if the creditors took a switch to AP's genitals and inner thighs, he may learn his lesson.

I thought that form of punishment cleared everything else up!?

Weird it doesn't seem to have worked.

[pbmax]

Lions are the new Vikings.

[pbmax]

A 1 year deal? Length & $$$ (esp. guaranteed) say a lot about what other teams think of his value.

I think he did quite well. He got the same money as on his original deal and got it all guaranteed plus a little bonus. Given that no teams are handing out 4 year deals with large bonuses at the beginning of camp, he did pretty well for sitting out 2 days.

I think repudiates the idea that he was considered overpaid or done around the league. Though the caveat here is that it was the Lions who are already missing Flowers.

[pbmax]

We are not the only fanbase with media coverage problems:

Matt Parrino
@MattParrino
How creative is Brian Daboll? He’s lined Frank Gore up on the outside as a receiver a few times in the first two practices. Allen just fires a screen to him on the last play. Getting ball to playmakers in space is the goal. Interesting. #Bills

The White Collar Bills Fan
@MattyRenn
This hasn't been creative in two decades.

The White Collar Bills Fan
As @2ITB_Buffalo pointed out, the Marchibroda era used to do this. That era was so long ago that Marchibroda himself is dead of old age.

[mraynrand]

Whoa. That’s so cool. You can line up a running back as a WR? What will the defense do? He’s too powerful for a corner and too shifty for a linebacker. #gamechanger

[Patler]

Tom Moore (the player) lives again!

[run pMc]

I think he did quite well. He got the same money as on his original deal and got it all guaranteed plus a little bonus. Given that no teams are handing out 4 year deals with large bonuses at the beginning of camp, he did pretty well for sitting out 2 days.

I think repudiates the idea that he was considered overpaid or done around the league. Though the caveat here is that it was the Lions who are already missing Flowers.

Agree -- I didn't see the numbers on the deal. He basically got what he would've playing in GB.
I would think a longer deal would be easier for a team to do (I was thinking 2/12M, 6 guar) if they have cap space because they could spread it over more time, but I get what you're saying.

It's a good deal for both Lions and Daniels, assuming he stays healthy. How many 30 yo 6'1" DLs bounce back from injuries? Might his body be breaking down?

[Joemailman]

Bengals A.J. Green out 6-8 weeks with torn ligaments in ankle.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27276175/bengals-green-likely-6-8-weeks


An MRI revealed that Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green has torn ligaments in his left ankle that is likely to sideline him six to eight weeks, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Green is not expected to be ready for the regular-season opener at Seattle.

He was carted off the field Saturday during the Bengals' first training camp practice of the season at the University of Dayton.

The Bengals were practicing at the University of Dayton's Welcome Stadium as part of the NFL's 100th-anniversary celebration. The conditions of the field were considered subpar.

[pbmax]

Things going well down in Florida.

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Dolphins have fired offensive line coach Pat Flaherty of his duties and promoted analyst Dave DeGuglielmo to offensive line coach. Flaherty struggled to implement the new system, and it’s been an issue since the spring. It’s why DeGuglielmo was brought in.

[pbmax]

https://fansided.com/2019/07/29/washington-redskins-nfl-power-rankings-training-camp/

I actually feel like I should have known this and predicted it. Bruce Allen is a VP of the Redksins NOT because he knows how to run a football team but because Dan Snyder knows he needs a new stadium. And 'ol Bruce is politically connected.

And that leads to interference in big decisions because they start to worry about how it will poll with politicians, fans and voters who might have a say over how much money to fork over to Snyder.

[pbmax]

https://fansided.com/2019/07/29/washington-redskins-nfl-power-rankings-training-camp/

I actually feel like I should have known this and predicted it. Bruce Allen is a VP of the Redksins NOT because he knows how to run a football team but because Dan Snyder knows he needs a new stadium. And 'ol Bruce is politically connected.

And that leads to interference in big decisions because they start to worry about how it will poll with politicians, fans and voters who might have a say over how much money to fork over to Snyder.

And I did not know this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/arbitrator-rules-in-favor-of-redskins-in-scot-mccloughans-grievance-over-firing/2018/10/29/936e6236-dbc7-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_term=.8c5b77fb165d&noredirect=on

McCloughan lost his arbitration case over his firing. The exact charge was reporting to work intoxicated. Given that ScottyM is one of those confessed alcoholics who claims its under control because he only drinks beer in the evening, this doesn't seem implausible. And of course, his first NFL gig was with John Dorsey, a man with few principles, who hired him as a consultant in 2018.

Almost seems like a Leaving Las Vegas scenario: we'll give you all the booze money you need, just keep eating that tape.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
#Falcons WR Julio Jones tells reporters that he’s not playing in the preseason. More and more players and teams are going this route for veterans.


Hmmm.

[bobblehead]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
#Falcons WR Julio Jones tells reporters that he’s not playing in the preseason. More and more players and teams are going this route for veterans.


Hmmm.

Good for him. Worked out great not playing Bulaga all preseason and then lining him up against Mack. I expect similar start to the season for Julio. I hope the Falcons run a lot of no contact walk through drills ala MM and Julio finds out that injuries occur when you try to go 100% all at once. Actually I wish Julio the best. I have met him and he ain't a bad guy. but he should realize that "practice makes perfect" is a saying for a reason.

[pbmax]

Ty Montgomery on leaving the Packers: https://nypost.com/2019/08/02/ty-montgomery-shed-packers-hell-to-find-peace-with-jets/

Not often you get to see the Jets mentioned positively and the Packers negatively (this is the columnist) but here it is.

I always like Monty and think he got the short end of the stick. Dumb decision, sure. Possibly a bit prima donna-is, OK (trying to make up for earlier mistake). But self centered team cancer, not buying it. The storyline that he cost the Packers a comeback win is just too neat. Packers were losing that game for good reason given their play in the second half.

[RashanGary]

Good for him. Worked out great not playing Bulaga all preseason and then lining him up against Mack. I expect similar start to the season for Julio. I hope the Falcons run a lot of no contact walk through drills ala MM and Julio finds out that injuries occur when you try to go 100% all at once. Actually I wish Julio the best. I have met him and he ain't a bad guy. but he should realize that "practice makes perfect" is a saying for a reason.

Bulaga was literally just coming back and coming back relatively early from a blown ACL the year before. He was going to be less than 100 no matter what. It’s odd that you attribute it only to not playing in preseason when there is so much more context to that situation.

[pbmax]

Dan Wiederer

Matt Nagy isn't allowed to say it out loud. But he's dropping enough bread crumbs that I'm not sure if most of his key starters play at all in the preseason. The Bears are very much taking measures to be as close to full strength on 9/5 as possible.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The "load management" strategy from the NBA is now starting to hit the NFL. Coaches are no longer going to put their stars out there for these preseason games.

[mraynrand]

The "load management" strategy from the NBA is now starting to hit the NFL. Coaches are no longer going to put their stars out there for these preseason games.

You gotta appreciate coaches who actively reduce utility costs.

[Zool]

I watched a movie called "load management" lastnight. It had nothing to do with sports. Bad acting too.

[Upnorth]

I watched a movie called "load management" lastnight. It had nothing to do with sports. Bad acting too.

I bet you could only pay attention for a couple minutes, then felt really sleepy.

[Joemailman]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27339752/source-ab-suffered-frostbite-cryotherapy


Oakland Raiders star receiver Antonio Brown's mysterious foot injury is the result of extreme frostbite caused by a cryotherapy machine, a source confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday.

Brown was not wearing appropriate footwear when he entered the cryotherapy chamber last month in France and burned his feet, leaving them frostbitten, according to the source.

The cause of Brown's injury was first reported by ProFootballTalk.

Brown, 31, has missed a significant portion of his first training camp with the Raiders and has not practiced since July 30, when he left the team to visit a foot specialist.

Raiders coach Jon Gruden told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio on Wednesday that Brown was "still collecting information" on the injury, and that the team would know more in the next few days.

[QBME]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001039303/article/raiders-antonio-brown-dealing-with-frostbitten-feet

Currently the story is he experienced frost bite in his feet. If accurate the long term story is any time his feet get cold, they will be stiff and hurt like Hades. Raiders play Denver at Mile High on December 29.

[mraynrand]

If accurate the long term story is any time his feet get cold, they will be stiff and hurt like Hades.

Favre, NFCC game, 2007?

[pbmax]

Favre, NFCC game, 2007?

They have to accelerate that memory editing technique from Eternal Sunshine so I can get rid of some games.

[mraynrand]

Interesting story. This guy ran back a punt for a TD last night. Another Highsmith diamond in the rough?

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/the-improbable-story-of-how-little-known-wr-damon-sheehy-guiseppi-landed-a-tryou?utm_source=Direct

[pbmax]

Interesting story. This guy ran back a punt for a TD last night. Another Highsmith diamond in the rough?

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/the-improbable-story-of-how-little-known-wr-damon-sheehy-guiseppi-landed-a-tryou?utm_source=Direct

Love this kid. The 24 fitness center was a good idea as is a laundromat :lol:

But the Browns have to ditch the orange numerals.

[mraynrand]

Love this kid. The 24 fitness center was a good idea as is a laundromat :lol:

But the Browns have to ditch the orange numerals.

yep.


Watch all the way to the end
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1159663410327490560

[pbmax]

There is nothing better for a punt return than a hesitation bobble. They should have Bubba Franks teach that.

[pbmax]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/brian-flores-wants-josh-rosen-to-rein-in-gunslinger-mentality/

Rosen just might save Brian Flores job.

[mraynrand]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/brian-flores-wants-josh-rosen-to-rein-in-gunslinger-mentality/

Rosen just might save Brian Flores job.

"It’s clear that the Dolphins have work to do on their offensive line and Rosen was able to elude pressure long enough to get passes away on several occasions."

I like an O-line that occasionally protects the QB - you know, here and there, so maybe, a few times a game, we can get a pass off.

[pbmax]

"It’s clear that the Dolphins have work to do on their offensive line and Rosen was able to elude pressure long enough to get passes away on several occasions."

I like an O-line that occasionally protects the QB - you know, here and there, so maybe, a few times a game, we can get a pass off.

Just take the sack is easy to say when you don't need to have your spleen removed. The kid just seems stubborn and talented enough that someone should be able to work with him.

[mraynrand]

Just take the sack is easy to say when you don't need to have your spleen removed. The kid just seems stubborn and talented enough that someone should be able to work with him.

Fitzpatrick started and was running for his life from the first snap.

[pbmax]

Fitzpatrick started and was running for his life from the first snap.

Everyone knows how that goes.


https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/fitzpatrick.jpg?quality=80

[mraynrand]

Exactly. And nothing makes Fitz look better than a crappy line that makes him scramble around like Fran Tarkington on hot coals.

[Fritz]

Exactly. And nothing makes Fitz look better than a crappy line that makes him scramble around like Fran Tarkington on hot coals.

Then he ought to sign on in Detroit. Apparently it was a total train wreck for them against the Patriots last night. It was, of course, second-string versus second-string (except Detroit played Darius Slay for a few plays to punish him for not reporting for OTA's, as he's looking for a new contract). Nonetheless, Detroit's second string got waxed, got hammered, got wrecked. 31 - 3 or something. The second-string offensive line was a sieve. The secondary depth was non-existent.

It's only preseason, I know. And only second and third stringers. But it was disturbing nonetheless, if you were a Detroit fan.

[esoxx]

"It’s clear that the Dolphins have work to do on their offensive line and Rosen was able to elude pressure long enough to get passes away on several occasions."

I like an O-line that occasionally protects the QB - you know, here and there, so maybe, a few times a game, we can get a pass off.

Yup, looks like another great year setting up for Cheat & friends. Playing in the AFC Least is the gift that keeps on giving. The Dolphins & Bills will be dregs of the league, Jets have improved but not hardly enough. So use surgical marker here and now: Pats stroll to division title, secure 1st round bye, (while resting any players they choose at end of regular season) then have to survive one game (typically a home game against lowest remaining seed) to make AFC Championship Game. They are just so brilliant and amazing the way they play in the toilet bowl division each year to make that game (how many AFC CG's in a row is it now?). And then of course it's a one game coin flip (usually played on their home field) to make the Super Bowl.

It's because they are just. that. good.

[mraynrand]

Yup, looks like another great year setting up for Cheat & friends. Playing in the AFC Least is the gift that keeps on giving. The Dolphins & Bills will be dregs of the league, Jets have improved but not hardly enough. So use surgical marker here and now: Pats stroll to division title, secure 1st round bye, (while resting any players they choose at end of regular season) then have to survive one game (typically a home game against lowest remaining seed) to make AFC Championship Game. They are just so brilliant and amazing the way they play in the toilet bowl division each year to make that game (how many AFC CG's in a row is it now?). And then of course it's a one game coin flip to make the Super Bowl (usually on their home field)

It's because they are just. that. good.

I approve of this well-supported and totally justified cynicism.

[Teamcheez1]

Antonio Brown's latest antics with frostbitten feet and helmet craziness show why I'm glad the Packers stayed far away from him.

[Joemailman]

Steelers WR coach Darryl Drake dies at age 62.




NFL.com

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receivers coach Darryl Drake died Sunday morning, the team announced. He was 62.

Steelers president Art Rooney II released the following statement on Drake's passing: "We are at a loss for words following Darryl Drake's passing this morning. Darryl had such an impact on the players he coached and everyone he worked with throughout his entire career. He was a passionate coach and had a tremendous spirit toward life, his family, his faith and the game of football."

"Darryl was a close friend and had a tremendous impact on my coaching career," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said in a statement. "He was an amazing husband, father and grandfather, and it is difficult to put into words the grief our entire team is going through right now.

"Darryl loved the game of football and every player he ever coached. We will use our faith to guide us and help his family throughout the difficult time.

"My heart and our prayers are with his wife, Sheila, and Darryl's entire family."

Pittsburgh's practice on Sunday at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe, Pennsylvania was cancelled.

[pbmax]

Antonio Brown's latest antics with frostbitten feet and helmet craziness show why I'm glad the Packers stayed far away from him.

Think about how much more fun camp would be though. Now we are left arguing about how much to run the football and whether Aaron Rodgers ego is so large he will never fake a hand off again.

[pbmax]

@AdamSchefter
· 1h
Trade: Ravens are sending kicker Kaare Vedvik to Minnesota in exchange for a 2020 5th-round draft pick, per league source. Vikings could wind up using Vedvik as their kicker and punter.

I cannot wait for this to backfire.

[pbmax]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2849023-gridiron-digest-patriots-reloaded-and-ready-to-dominate-again#slide7

Vikings trade fifth-round pick to the Ravens for kicker Kaare Vedvik: Veteran kicker Dan Bailey has struggled in camp, though the fact that the Vikings are cycling through snappers and holders could be the root issue. The Vikings have a habit of both overpaying for kickers (they traded up to draft Daniel Carlson last year) and overreacting to their setbacks (they cut him after two games). A fifth-round pick is too much to squander because of a kicker panic.

Jets kicker Chandler Catanzaro retires; team signs kicker Taylor Bertolet: Catanzaro was having a rough camp, so the Jets kept tabs on Bertolet (who spent last year in camp with them) as a potential low-cost replacement. The Vikings can learn a thing or two about managing their kicker resources from the Jets. Think about that.

[MadScientist]

Steelers WR coach dead at 62.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/11/us/darryl-drake-steelers-coach-dead-trnd/index.html

Death is always undefeated.

[Fritz]

@AdamSchefter
· 1h
Trade: Ravens are sending kicker Kaare Vedvik to Minnesota in exchange for a 2020 5th-round draft pick, per league source. Vikings could wind up using Vedvik as their kicker and punter.

I cannot wait for this to backfire.

Can't wait to see him miss a potential game-winning kick against the Pack in game two. Then the Vikes cut him, and trade another pick for another kicker.

[Rutnstrut]

Everyone knows how that goes.


https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/fitzpatrick.jpg?quality=80






He may suck, but not as bad as Kizer.

[mraynrand]

Can't wait to see him miss a potential game-winning kick against the Pack in game two. Then the Vikes cut him, and trade another pick for another kicker.

Someone is gonna sign Chris Blewitt. It may as well be the Vikings. Just so long and the Packers don't sign Shane K. Wideright.

[pbmax]

@AdamSchefter
On a conference-call tonight with reporters, Colts’ GM Chris Ballard said Andrew Luck's calf strain has turned into a high-ankle issue.

I enjoyed his time here on Earth. At the rate this goes with Indianapolis, Luck will be on life support by November. I hope his Mother gets all those letter from the battle campaign.

[mraynrand]

@AdamSchefter
On a conference-call tonight with reporters, Colts’ GM Chris Ballard said Andrew Luck's calf strain has turned into a high-ankle issue.

I enjoyed his time here on Earth. At the rate this goes with Indianapolis, Luck will be on life support by November. I hope his Mother gets all those letter from the battle campaign.


Injury Prone! Replace him while you can!

[pbmax]

I just realized something. Bears hired Chuck Pagano to replace Vic Fangio as DC. Fangio ran a Capers based defense with a matchup zone coverage in the back.

Pagano comes from the Rex Ryan/Mike Pettine school, which is pressure based and man coverage.

Bears going to look a little different this year.

That plus some regression to the mean: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-predictions-bears-look-primed-for-regression-and-here-are-all-the-reasons-why/

[QBME]

I just realized something. Bears hired Chuck Pagano to replace Vic Fangio as DC. Fangio ran a Capers based defense with a matchup zone coverage in the back.

Pagano comes from the Rex Ryan/Mike Pettine school, which is pressure based and man coverage.

Bears going to look a little different this year.

That plus some regression to the mean: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-predictions-bears-look-primed-for-regression-and-here-are-all-the-reasons-why/

Prolly jumping the gun, but I'm a bit worried about the opener. Bears defense appears to be formidable this season, roster is incredibly strong, except for Ha Ha. Pagano has most all of the players he needs.

The only unknown is Trubisky.

[pbmax]

I have survived the in the grasp rule. I survived TD celebrations*, their outlawing, and their revival. I surviving sack dances*, their outlawing and the relaxation of rules. I survived the taunting rule.

I survived the tuck rule. I survived going to the ground. I survived the Calvin Johnson ruling and its repeal by a panel of former WRs. I survived Bert Emanuel's non-catch. I survived the emphasis of no contact on the QB and the ignoring of it in the Cardinals playoff game. I enjoyed that Karma being paid off in the Detroit Rick Rodgers Hail Mary (setup by a pretty brutal flag on a barely hit to the QB).

I survived the reviewed fumble non-fumble of Jerry Rice. I survived the limited rule agains crack back blocks and the rule against combo cut blocks.

But I am not going to survive offensive PI called on this play. And then upheld by the replay review.


https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1162185411281719297


* As a rule, if you find someone against both elaborate TD celebrations AND sack dances, you should ignore everything else that person advocates.

[pbmax]

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1162199229416255488

And this is the other side of it. Moaning that obvious pass interference isn't pass interference because they had to go to slo mo replay.

If you want the game reffed that way, then be against slomo replay entirely.

[ThunderDan]

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1162199229416255488

And this is the other side of it. Moaning that obvious pass interference isn't pass interference because they had to go to slo mo replay.

If you want the game reffed that way, then be against slomo replay entirely.
On the plus side, you can only challenge 3 plays a game if you win the first 2.

After 2 preseason games I am wondering if this use of replay challenges might be the one that went too far.

[mraynrand]

Need another installment of the (ask) Referee Bill Pitman show.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-referee/2877573

"Are you totally blind, or just legally blind?"
"Were you watching a different game while you were officiating?"
"Do you find it helpful to keep your head up your rear end?"
"It seems as though you were retarded on that play"
"Is there any history in your family of blackouts or hallucinations or fits of dementia?"
"What's in your head, since there's no brain? Is it empty or is it filled with human excrement?"

[pbmax]

On the plus side, you can only challenge 3 plays a game if you win the first 2.

After 2 preseason games I am wondering if this use of replay challenges might be the one that went too far.

Honestly, if the review results made more sense than the on-field officials, I'd be OK with the delay. But why wait five minutes for additional stupidity?

Ol' Rodger governs by press release. The head referee seems to govern through intricate, fractal codicils, that wind around each other in a fascinating but non-predictable pattern.

Worse than that are reporters who bleat about how something should be reviewed then bleat about how they are reviewing details too hard.

[mraynrand]

But I am not going to survive offensive PI called on this play. And then upheld by the replay review.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1162185411281719297


I can't imagine it getting any worse than this, but I suppose they'll try. The Redskins conspiracy theorists were to in full force following this one.

[pbmax]

I can't imagine it getting any worse than this, but I suppose they'll try. The Redskins conspiracy theorists were to in full force following this one.

Its the only instance I know of where I felt sympathy for Jay Gruden.

[pbmax]

The NFL has explained the call. It was not a flag for the jump ball, but a push off on the 50 that caused the separation. I don't know about the timing. Does seem late for the push off but would be VERY early for the jump ball action.

https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1162408008535744512

[mraynrand]

The NFL has explained the call. It was not a flag for the jump ball, but a push off on the 50 that caused the separation. I don't know about the timing. Does seem late for the push off but would be VERY early for the jump ball action.

https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1162408008535744512

Using v=1/2at^2, the flag that comes into the picture was thrown almost simultaneously as when the downfield contact occurred, indicating that the flag was being thrown for an earlier infraction.

[pbmax]

Using v=1/2at^2, the flag that comes into the picture was thrown almost simultaneously as when the downfield contact occurred, indicating that the flag was being thrown for an earlier infraction.

Is that the Ideal Gas Law?

[mraynrand]

Is that the Ideal Gas Law?

Nah that’s for what comes out of Kiper’s hole.

[pbmax]

PFT says the gist is that there were no replays available during the broadcast to review said infraction at the 50 yard line. Which raises some good questions:

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
NFL now admits that OPI in Bengals-Washington couldn't be reviewed because the interference happened away from any available camera angles...

Yes, another flaw has been identified when it comes to replay review of pass interference calls and non-calls. After declining to explain on Thursday night the basis for upholding via replay review…

@ProFootballTalk
If a coach challenges OPI or DPI and the alleged contact happened away the various available TV cameras, should the coach have his red flag and his time out restored?


Its good these things get worked out in the preseason. :roll:

[pbmax]

Great illustration of why it looks like the LT has blown a block but it might be on the QB and Guard instead. Have seen the right side of the Packers O line do this about 28 times in the last two years.


https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1162485304357511168


Of course, there is a guy calling himself Coach in the responses saying the LT read it wrong.

[mraynrand]

Great illustration of why it looks like the LT has blown a block but it might be on the QB and Guard instead. Have seen the right side of the Packers O line do this about 28 times in the last two years.


https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1162485304357511168



Of course, there is a guy calling himself Coach in the responses saying the LT read it wrong.


It's 6 on 5. The defense won when the offense didn't correctly guess that everyone was coming. That had to be either a change in protection or a very fast dump off. But the key is recognition.

[pbmax]

It's 6 on 5. The defense won when the offense didn't correctly guess that everyone was coming. That had to be either a change in protection or a very fast dump off. But the key is recognition.

In this case, the QB's recognition. The center and guard eventually sorted it out in the middle, but the QB didn't count correctly (assuming Schwartz and not CoachPuma is correctly identifying the protection call).

The irony is that if they had not crossed the ILB, one of them gets there fast enough to scoot free right to the QB. But they cross them to confuse the gap read of those guys.

[Patler]

Patriots Patrick Chung indicted on cocaine possession charge:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001043293/article/pats-patrick-chung-indicted-on-felony-cocaine-charge

[pbmax]

Patriots Patrick Chung indicted on cocaine possession charge:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001043293/article/pats-patrick-chung-indicted-on-felony-cocaine-charge

would help explain good defense

[pbmax]

Pop Warner chair Jon Butler:

@bachyns
The executive director of Pop Warner expressed the industry's stance: "First, we have a duty to football. This means too much to people & has for so long we can't turn our back on it. We figured out tobacco. We figured out asbestos. We'll figure this out."

He's not talking player safety. He is talking injury settlements and class action lawsuits. But he is also, like tobacco and asbestos manufacturers, avoiding talking about at least 20, if not more than 30, years of having their heads in the sand. Parents of children I went to school with kept kids from playing football for fear of head injuries (seeing stars) well before 1980. Declining youth participation didn't start with Mike Webster stories or Junior Seau.

I wonder what the football equivalent of vaping will be?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-takes-aim-at-its-greatest-issues-as-it-tries-to-reinvent-the-game-for-the-future/

[mraynrand]

Pop Warner chair Jon Butler:

@bachyns
The executive director of Pop Warner expressed the industry's stance: "First, we have a duty to football. This means too much to people & has for so long we can't turn our back on it. We figured out tobacco. We figured out asbestos. We'll figure this out."

He's not talking player safety. He is talking injury settlements and class action lawsuits. But he is also, like tobacco and asbestos manufacturers, avoiding talking about at least 20, if not more than 30, years of having their heads in the sand. Parents of children I went to school with kept kids from playing football for fear of head injuries (seeing stars) well before 1980. Declining youth participation didn't start with Mike Webster stories or Junior Seau.

I wonder what the football equivalent of vaping will be?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-takes-aim-at-its-greatest-issues-as-it-tries-to-reinvent-the-game-for-the-future/

It's already here - the flag football that those aging former NFL stars play. It will go electronic and eventually go VR (to prevent the constant collisions that linemen experience).

The strange thing is that eventually the studies will break past the reviewer and editor blocks and show that, other than men who play from pop warner until they are well in their 30s, there really is no higher incident of the encephalitis than controls and not certainly from other collision sports.

I'm interested in whether the truth will come out before the sport goes bye bye, and also what people will do once they see that the same effects (such as they are) come from hockey, soccer, lacrosse, and certainly rugby. Maybe we'll just have a nation of fat blobs playing sports on VR and dying before they're 50 from cardiovascular or diabetic events.

[pbmax]

It's already here - the flag football that those aging former NFL stars play. It will go electronic and eventually go VR (to prevent the constant collisions that linemen experience).

The strange thing is that eventually the studies will break past the reviewer and editor blocks and show that, other than men who play from pop warner until they are well in their 30s, there really is no higher incident of the encephalitis than controls and not certainly from other collision sports.

I'm interested in whether the truth will come out before the sport goes bye bye, and also what people will do once they see that the same effects (such as they are) come from hockey, soccer, lacrosse, and certainly rugby. Maybe we'll just have a nation of fat blobs playing sports on VR and dying before they're 50 from cardiovascular or diabetic events.

Its the kind of thing that coordinated action could help. But instead they shrink from funding studies they won't control to handing out coaching clinics that are convincing no one.

[mraynrand]

Its the kind of thing that coordinated action could help. But instead they shrink from funding studies they won't control to handing out coaching clinics that are convincing no one.

Of course. They're terrified of being sacked. Look what happened with the lawsuit and the payouts. There's plenty of terrible behavior to go around. While I have little sympathy for the NFL, I still know when they're being attacked.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It's already here - the flag football that those aging former NFL stars play. It will go electronic and eventually go VR (to prevent the constant collisions that linemen experience).

The strange thing is that eventually the studies will break past the reviewer and editor blocks and show that, other than men who play from pop warner until they are well in their 30s, there really is no higher incident of the encephalitis than controls and not certainly from other collision sports.

I'm interested in whether the truth will come out before the sport goes bye bye, and also what people will do once they see that the same effects (such as they are) come from hockey, soccer, lacrosse, and certainly rugby. Maybe we'll just have a nation of fat blobs playing sports on VR and dying before they're 50 from cardiovascular or diabetic events.

Extensive studies exist on STDs, and people still prostitue themselves for the frogskin. Why? One word: Capitalism.

Likewise, so long as capitalism exists, there will always be people willing to sell their bodies playing "real" football (as well as boxing and the other CTE-prone sports you mentioned).

Advanced CTEs studies will simply weed out the Rudys and Chris Borlands from the rye . Such studies will NOT annihilate the game. The Rudys lack Kung Fu, so there's no point in risking health. The Borlands are spoiled children of wealth, so they possess the capitals to deviate away from futbol.

Capitalism creates wealth inequality. There are millions of humble lads grinding away on the streets of Baltimore, and millions more are born everyday. Football is their only escape.

[mraynrand]

Extensive studies exist on STDs, and people still prostitue themselves for the frogskin. Why? One word: Capitalism.

Likewise, so long as capitalism exists, there will always be people willing to sell their bodies playing "real" football (as well as boxing and the other CTE-prone sports you mentioned).

Advanced CTEs studies will simply weed out the Rudys and Chris Borlands from the rye . Such studies will NOT annihilate the game. The Rudys lack Kung Fu, so there's no point in risking health. The Borlands are spoiled children of wealth, so they possess the capitals to deviate away from futbol.

Capitalism creates wealth inequality. There are millions of humble lads grinding away on the streets of Baltimore, and millions more are born everyday. Football is their only escape.


Boxing doesn't command the same attention as football. If it did, they'd go after that as well. But not as aggressively, since there have been major inroads by women at least in MMA , so it isn't as valuable a target.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Boxing doesn't command the same attention as football. If it did, they'd go after that as well. But not as aggressively, since there have been major inroads by women at least in MMA , so it isn't as valuable a target.

Just cos boxing doesn't get the same attention that football does doesn't mean that boxing is not a CTE-prone sport. Boxing is probably more fucked up than football.

My point being, however, is that football ain't dying anytime soon, unless the capitalist economy tanks into the abyss of oblivion. Football is a greed-fucked sport. The NFL pig owners make billions of frogskins off the game. "Public" universities make billions off the game. And there's no shortage of players, thanks to capitalism.

[mraynrand]

Just cos boxing doesn't get the same attention that football does doesn't mean that boxing is not a CTE-prone sport. Boxing is probably more fucked up than football.

Boxing is a CTE-inducing sport, by intention. That's not why they're going after football. CTE is just a tool to get rid of it.


My point being, however, is that football ain't dying anytime soon, unless the capitalist economy tanks into the abyss of oblivion. Football is a greed-fucked sport. The NFL pig owners make billions of frogskins off the game. "Public" universities make billions off the game. And there's no shortage of players, thanks to capitalism.

Sure, money will help it survive, but that won't be enough. The people trying to kill it don't care about the money. Just ask the Star Wars franchise.

[texaspackerbacker]

APB, the "world's oldest profession" predates capitalism by a few millenia hahahaha.

I know some ...... let's just call them whiners ...... will get all in a tizzy about this, but I still say the whole concussion shit is an overrated problem. Borland and whoever certainly are free to decide not to play, but the huge majority of players, of course, do play and basically are going with the percentages - that they won't be in the tiny minority that get their brains scrambled. And for the huge money they get for playing what basically is a fun game, who can blame them? Yeah, I know, some of ya'all can and do hahahahaha. I assume it's a percentage thing with boxing and MMA also - and big money for some at least there too.

Even though it was a Packer taking the hit, which I hate, I have to say, the St. Brown hit was what everybody used to stand up and applaud and say YEAH, that's what football is all about back in the day. Ditto that for the beautiful Sheldon tackle late in the game. Or are some of ya'all gonna whine about that sort of thing too?

[pbmax]

Boxing is a CTE-inducing sport, by intention. That's not why they're going after football. CTE is just a tool to get rid of it.



Sure, money will help it survive, but that won't be enough. The people trying to kill it don't care about the money. Just ask the Star Wars franchise.

Why are you convinced they are trying to get rid of it and not just get rich off the torts?

[pbmax]

The Bears one is brutal. Picture of a coach who can't get over a playoff failure (double doing!).

https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2019-chicago-bears-1837283621

[pbmax]

The Bears one is brutal. Picture of a coach who can't get over a playoff failure (double doing!).

https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2019-chicago-bears-1837283621

Brutal.


James:

Six years ago I moved from northwest Indiana to Milwaukee due to a job transfer. As football season rolled around, I am making some small talk with my new colleagues about the upcoming season. That’s when they all find out that I am a Bears fan and not a Packers fan like the rest of them. One of them then says to me, “Well you live in Wisconsin now, so you have to root for the Packers.” I come up with what I feel is a logical and witty response: “If you had to move to Illinois for your job, would you change what teams you cheer for away from a team that you rooted for your whole life? No, you wouldn’t.” She then replied, "Of course I wouldn’t. I cheer for a good team.”

[pbmax]

It can always get worse:


Zack:

It is the first game of the season, and the Bears were firing on all cylinders. 17-0 lead at halftime, Rodgers is seriously hurt, my Dad texts me to ask how many Super Bowl tickets I want. I’ve designated Khalil Mack to be the one who raises my future children. We finally have a coach who isn’t afraid to call entertaining plays and our QB is serviceable for the first time since Smokin’ Jay got here. I haven’t been this happy to be a Bears fan since sometime in January 2006.

But then I see it. I see Rodgers come out of the tunnel after halftime and the entire Jack’s frozen pizza I ate for dinner almost ends up on the carpet. I look at my girlfriend and tell her, “The Bears are going to lose this game.”

Fast forward, the Bears have given up 17 straight points. Rodgers is being Rodgers and Cris Collinsworth has an erection that is threatening to knock his mic off of his coat. Kyle Fuller drops what would’ve been a game ending Pick 6. I looked at my girlfriend again and said, “Rodgers is going to throw the game winner right here.” He threw a 75-yard touchdown pass. Bears lose 24-23. I should start fucking gambling.

[mraynrand]

Why are you convinced they are trying to get rid of it and not just get rich off the torts?

Short term, tort $$$, but there's also long term plan. Also, not necessarily the same people. For the long view people, money isn't an issue.

[mraynrand]

The Bears one is brutal. Picture of a coach who can't get over a playoff failure (double doing!).

https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2019-chicago-bears-1837283621

How they could overlook that the Bears brought in a kicker named Blewitt is beyond me.

[pbmax]

How they could overlook that the Bears brought in a kicker named Blewitt is beyond me.

32 teams and a lot of idiocy. I think he gets overwhelmed. They close down reader/fan comment in under a week I think.

[Fritz]

The Bears one is brutal. Picture of a coach who can't get over a playoff failure (double doing!).

https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2019-chicago-bears-1837283621


To those bitching about LeFleur not playing starters in the preseason: last night the Lions lost their best linebacker and starting center to injuries. Not sure of severity, but I think neither could bear weight...

[run pMc]

To those bitching about LeFleur not playing starters in the preseason: last night the Lions lost their best linebacker and starting center to injuries. Not sure of severity, but I think neither could bear weight...

Ragnow supposedly has a "minor ankle sprain"; no word yet on Jarrad Davis.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2019/08/24/detroit-lions-frank-ragnow-injury-ankle-sprain/2108682001/

Whether you believe them or not, going from non-weight bearing to 'minor' is quite a recovery.

[Joemailman]

Texans RB Lamar Miller carted off field after taking a helmet to the knee. Didn't look good.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Texans best O Lineman was also carted off - more and more and more good reason to not play your starters in preseason, even for one series.

[Fritz]

Sounds like they dodged a bullet with Ragnow. Not sure about Davis.

[mraynrand]

Detroit, Ragnowrock City.

[pbmax]

Dysfunction Junction has pulled into San Francisco. HC is questioning whether Garrapolo is his starter.

@JohnMiddlekauff (https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/1164771081363705858)
Mort telling @ryenarussillo that it’s not all rosy with Jimmy G & Kyle. Safe to say the qb needs a solid night Saturday to quiet everything down

And then this about JG's play, a thread about the horrible performance with clips:

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1165283145236799490

But behind it all, is the guy that moved an NFL Assistant Coach, the most loyal of middle managers anywhere, to say these things about Kyle Shanahan:


I remember this article about Kyle Shanahan. Made me doubt him until he had that year in Atlanta. McVay and LaFleur were the young yes-men as the old assistant coach (presumably) was burning some bridges and knocking the offensive staff.

Washington basically ended Shanny Sr. career.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction/

[Joemailman]

Report Houston looking to trade Jadeveon Clowney for offensive tackle. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/texans-seeking-ot-in-jadeveon-clowney-trade

Damn. Gutey should have hung on to Spriggs. :p

Clowney has not signed his franchise tender.

[pbmax]

Report Houston looking to trade Jadeveon Clowney for offensive tackle. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/texans-seeking-ot-in-jadeveon-clowney-trade

Damn. Gutey should have hung on to Spriggs. :p

Clowney has not signed his franchise tender.

I said keeping Spriggs would pay off eventually.

Oh well.

[pbmax]

Someone needs to get to a Bears message board and rattle their cages about the kicker search. Even more weirdness from a now haunted franchise.

Double Doink!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social

Positively Schottenheimerian:


The Bears released Parkey in March; they will pay more to have him off the roster ($3.5 million) than if he played this year. Thus, they’re looking for a kicker who is good and cheap. But the size of the group they initially brought in suggested less a kicker competition and more the formation of a K-pop band: nine kickers in all, six rookies and three veteran free agents. (And zero NFL games among them.)

Its always good to bring in a promising but little understood system that you have never used into camp when you are trying to decide about how to move on from a missed FG. I give you TrackMan™.


In second place, CASEY BEDNARSKI, 15 [points], BALL TRAJECTORY IS A MAJOR CONCERN.

[mraynrand]

You see where this script is going. The kicker the Packers cut will be the one to make the game-winning attempt next Thursday. And the kicker the Packers keep (probs Crosby) will have missed a gimme FG earlier in the game....

[hoosier]

Someone needs to get to a Bears message board and rattle their cages about the kicker search. Even more weirdness from a now haunted franchise.

Double Doink!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social

Positively Schottenheimerian:



Its always good to bring in a promising but little understood system that you have never used into camp when you are trying to decide about how to move on from a missed FG. I give you TrackMan™.

I wonder if Houston would take eight of them for Clowney.

[pbmax]

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn-s3.si.com%2Fs3fs-public%2F2019%2F08%2F21%2Fbears-kickers-tryout-scores-minicamp-2.jpg&w=900&q=85

[pbmax]

I wonder if Houston would take eight of them for Clowney.

I think most are available at the local Stuckey's.

[pbmax]

Its just managing run amok. The FGs are posted as scores, the kickoffs are posted as a ranking.

"lock into operation". Good, specific instruction. :roll:


Outside of using the data to establish coaching points with each kicker, Chicago did not share the TrackMan measurements with any of the competitors. Increasing the miles per hour or the rotational speed of a kick is an obscure request already; without data to gauge progress, it proved even more difficult.

WE HAVE THE MOST ADVANCED KICKING TRACKING SYSTEM KNOWN TO MAN AND WE ARE SURE IT WILL IMPROVE RESULTS ONCE WE LEARN HOW IT WORKS AND HOW TO COMMUNICATE ITS DATA TO OUR PLAYERS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. WE ANTICIPATE THIS HAPPENING BEFORE WE ARE ON OUR SECOND JOB AFTER THE BEARS.

[pbmax]

When asked during training camp what the range of velocity is for a good kicker, Tabor told reporters, “Oh, it varies by kicker.”

I wonder how much the Bears are paying for this legendary insight.

[Fritz]

All non-Bears fans are rooting like crazy for Chris Blewitt to win that kicking job.

However, I think AynRand's analysis is probably the more likely scenario.

[pbmax]

Should have had Kohl file a financial disclosure form with the identities of his donors (kicking camp paid attendees)


The public scoring reminded many of the participants of Kohl’s Kicking Camps. Kohl kicked at Iowa State from 1996-98 and appeared in three preseason games with the Seahawks before he turned to molding kickers. His national rankings, which include only those who have attended one of his clinics or camps, have become almost a prerequisite tool for any kid seeking a college scholarship. Because most NCAA coaches don’t know how to evaluate kickers, they lean on Kohl's rankings for recruiting. Kohl will remain on Chicago’s staff throughout the season.

Several kickers at rookie camp either had never worked with him or had only done so sparingly. They expressed concern that Kohl’s evaluation process was biased because of his prior relationships.

“All of Jamie’s guys, they could have shanked the kick, and it was like, Oh, you have really good rotation, your foot is wrapping around the ball,” says one kicker who was cut after rookie camp. "I don’t think this situation will be solved or will be what the team needs to be until Jamie Kohl is gone. The way he very much tries to control a room, tries to be the alpha.” (Kohl originally agreed to an interview for this story, but hours later said, after discussing the request with the Bears, he would defer to Nagy and Tabor for all comments regarding the kicker search. During a general press availability at veteran minicamp, Nagy admitted, in regards to kicking, “I just know you either make it, or you miss it. That’s what I work off of.” The Bears declined multiple interview requests for Nagy and Tabor. They responded only partially to an emailed list of questions and did not address criticisms of Kohl and the process of the competition.)

[pbmax]

Of course.


While many assume Parkey’s appearance on the Today show one week later sealed his fate, Chicago’s front office knew immediately after the double-doink that they would have to cut him. (What if he beat out competition this summer, then missed another big kick in January?) But several sources active in the kicking community say Parkey is clearly better than anyone the Bears brought in this offseason. Parkey is living with his wife, Colleen, in Jupiter, Fla., playing golf and staying in shape. He did not respond to calls or texts, and through his agent, Glenn Schwartzman, declined an interview request. Schwartzman also declined to comment.

We don't want the best kicker. We want the kicker we will be blamed the least for.

[pbmax]

This team is toast. First sign of kicking bad luck and they will fold like week old newspaper.


Nagy continued to show the double-doink during team meetings in OTAs and veteran mini camp. Bears linebacker Aaron Lynch says seeing it again and again has given him a new appreciation for kickers. “That’s why everybody gasps every time we get a kick [in camp],” he says. “That’s why we support our kickers every day. Now when they make a kick, it’s like, Damn! Thank you!”

[pbmax]

University of Maryland, 1949 Media Guide. What a time to be a writer (see last paragraph).


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC6DIooXoAc6dwJ?format=png&name=medium

[RashanGary]

University of Maryland, 1949 Media Guide. What a time to be a writer (see last paragraph).


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC6DIooXoAc6dwJ?format=png&name=medium

The good ol days

[texaspackerbacker]

Get a load of those "extra-curricular activities" in the last paragraph hahahahaha.

[Fritz]

Get a load of those "extra-curricular activities" in the last paragraph hahahahaha.

Besides that obvious difference, it's also striking to me how concerned everyone seemed to be with being sure the facts of the game were available for everyone - substitutions, player numbers, and so on.

Today, announcers seem far less concerned with who's in the game. How often are you surprised to find out that one of the starting offensive lineman has been replaced? Or that Jackson never did get back on the field after he gave up that big play in the third quarter? The facts of who's in or out have taken a backseat in television announcing to the pursuit of the narrative du jour: Aaron Rodgers versus Patrick Mahomes! Can Rodgers get along with his new coach?

Ugh.

[Patler]

Besides that obvious difference, it's also striking to me how concerned everyone seemed to be with being sure the facts of the game were available for everyone - substitutions, player numbers, and so on.

Today, announcers seem far less concerned with who's in the game. How often are you surprised to find out that one of the starting offensive lineman has been replaced? Or that Jackson never did get back on the field after he gave up that big play in the third quarter? The facts of who's in or out have taken a backseat in television announcing to the pursuit of the narrative du jour: Aaron Rodgers versus Patrick Mahomes! Can Rodgers get along with his new coach?

Ugh.

In fairness to the announcers, it is difficult to keep up with all the substitutions now. Players are running on and off the field after every play. There are special player groupings for every situation. Defensive players come out just because a drive is long, and they have played a lot of consecutive plays. WRs come out just because they ran a deep route. Players take themselves out, just because they feel like it. The end of a play looks like the crosswalk at a traffic intersection of a big city when the light changes. It is a long way from the days of two-way players, who played on both offense and defense

[pbmax]

Outside of being offered women (I assume this is why my parents never encouraged a writing career) my favorite part are knowledgeable team spotters, to help identify who did what. Probably necessary without TV replay.

[pbmax]

Calling all lyricists:

@ProFootballTalk
During a @PFT_Live break, we just tripped over a "Freddie Kitchens" melody based on Roy Orbison's "Oh, Pretty Woman." All we need now are the lyrics.

[mraynrand]

Freddie Kitchens, he ate too much meat
Freddie kitchens, the guy I’d like to beat

Freddie Kitchen, it cant be true,
No one else would hire you

Freddie Kitchens: text at your own risk
Freddie Kitchens: reporters he will frisk

Freddie Kitchens, can it be true,
At your young age a fat goo rue?

[pbmax]

Bears Packers NBC promo includes a teddy bear FG joke.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/fans/2019/08/26/packers-bears-promo-uses-double-doink-hype-season-opener/2123177001/

[Fritz]

In fairness to the announcers, it is difficult to keep up with all the substitutions now. Players are running on and off the field after every play. There are special player groupings for every situation. Defensive players come out just because a drive is long, and they have played a lot of consecutive plays. WRs come out just because they ran a deep route. Players take themselves out, just because they feel like it. The end of a play looks like the crosswalk at a traffic intersection of a big city when the light changes. It is a long way from the days of two-way players, who played on both offense and defense

Ah, good point. Leads me to wonder if the focus on specific narratives during broadcasts results in part from the difficulties entailed in simply keeping track of the substitutions.

[pbmax]

Ah, good point. Leads me to wonder if the focus on specific narratives during broadcasts results in part from the difficulties entailed in simply keeping track of the substitutions.

That new focus is to entice new viewers. You are showing up even if the game is annoucerless.

[pbmax]

Your morning gutcheck:

@RossTuckerNFL
Annual Reminder: Guys playing in 4th preseason game tonight are likely the best football players EVER from their hometown.

For most, tonight is last time they will ever put a helmet and shoulder pads on & by Saturday they'll realize their lifelong dream/goal did not come true.

[mraynrand]

Your morning gutcheck:

@RossTuckerNFL
Annual Reminder: Guys playing in 4th preseason game tonight are likely the best football players EVER from their hometown.

For most, tonight is last time they will ever put a helmet and shoulder pads on & by Saturday they'll realize their lifelong dream/goal did not come true.

Lock up all the guns and sharpe objects. Hide the household poisons.

[run pMc]

Your morning gutcheck:

@RossTuckerNFL
Annual Reminder: Guys playing in 4th preseason game tonight are likely the best football players EVER from their hometown.

For most, tonight is last time they will ever put a helmet and shoulder pads on & by Saturday they'll realize their lifelong dream/goal did not come true.

True...and just making into an NFL camp and sticking this far means you're better than 99.9% of the football players out there.

[pbmax]

The problem with large numbers.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Your morning gutcheck:

@RossTuckerNFL
Annual Reminder: Guys playing in 4th preseason game tonight are likely the best football players EVER from their hometown.

For most, tonight is last time they will ever put a helmet and shoulder pads on & by Saturday they'll realize their lifelong dream/goal did not come true.

For every roster spot won, a thousand men are terminated. The viciousness of capitalism.

The lonesome Texas moon was floating high
And in the rye they watched their dreams die

The vicious pigs in America
Are hunting them tonight

(From Boys Don’t Cry)

[mraynrand]

For every roster spot won, a thousand men are terminated. The viciousness of capitalism.

The lonesome Texas moon was floating high
And in the rye they watched their dreams die

The vicious pigs in America
Are hunting them tonight

(From Boys Don’t Cry)

I would say I'm sorry
If I thought that it would change your mind
But I know that this time
I've said too much, been too unkind

[mraynrand]

True...and just making into an NFL camp and sticking this far means you're better than 99.9% of the football players out there.

NFL Europe awaits

[Fritz]

...Or you go back to your hometown, where the manager of your local Famous Footwear hires you and promises to fast track you. You sell lots and lots of shoes, as the men come to hear your NFL stories ("So was Aaron Rodgers really a dick or what?" he asks while you hand him his size-twelve Jordans to try on) and the women come to see if you're still as swaggeringly hot as you were in high school a few years back. You marry one of those women, become the manager of Famous Footwear. You eat well, drink lots of beer at those barbecues, get a belly, play a lot of golf with the guys from regional. They slap you on the back, drink with you, go to the strip clubs, where you get as high as a kite. You fool around on your wife with a young, impressionable female customer. Your wife takes your kids, your house, and most of your paycheck. You drink more. Your store's sales go down. Your employees hate you. You get canned. You end up at the end of the bar at China Lite Lounge, where people walk in and say "Geez, that guy looks familiar. Do we know him?" Instead of people buying drinks for you, you're buying drinks for your friends at the bar, so they'll listen to you tell that story, again, about the time Davante Adams accidentally pissed on your shoes after practice in the lockerroom. One day, you're telling that story, and the people walking in to China Lite look at you and whisper, "Geez, that's guy drunk at the bar every time we come here," and when you tell your Davante Adams story, the young kid sitting two barstools down asks you "So who was Davante Adams, anyway?" while the young beauty behind the bar rolls her eyes at you and and says, "Oh, come on, you don't look like you could've ever even have gotten a tryout in the NFL."

[pbmax]

...Or you go back to your hometown, where the manager of your local Famous Footwear hires you and promises to fast track you. You sell lots and lots of shoes, as the men come to hear your NFL stories ("So was Aaron Rodgers really a dick or what?" he asks while you hand him his size-twelve Jordans to try on) and the women come to see if you're still as swaggeringly hot as you were in high school a few years back. You marry one of those women, become the manager of Famous Footwear. You eat well, drink lots of beer at those barbecues, get a belly, play a lot of golf with the guys from regional. They slap you on the back, drink with you, go to the strip clubs, where you get as high as a kite. You fool around on your wife with a young, impressionable female customer. Your wife takes your kids, your house, and most of your paycheck. You drink more. Your store's sales go down. Your employees hate you. You get canned. You end up at the end of the bar at China Lite Lounge, where people walk in and say "Geez, that guy looks familiar. Do we know him?" Instead of people buying drinks for you, you're buying drinks for your friends at the bar, so they'll listen to you tell that story, again, about the time Davante Adams accidentally pissed on your shoes after practice in the lockerroom. One day, you're telling that story, and the people walking in to China Lite look at you and whisper, "Geez, that's guy drunk at the bar every time we come here," and when you tell your Davante Adams story, the young kid sitting two barstools down asks you "So who was Davante Adams, anyway?" while the young beauty behind the bar rolls her eyes at you and and says, "Oh, come on, you don't look like you could've ever even have gotten a tryout in the NFL."

Have you already bought the sports car or boat yet?

[pbmax]

NFL Europe awaits

They should bring that back. Or put up funds for the spring league. Just makes too much sense.

[Fritz]

But where will Famous Footwear find their managers, then?

[mraynrand]

But where will Famous Footwear find their managers, then?

I need a new fridge delivered, so I'll wait until after cut-down.

[pbmax]

But where will Famous Footwear find their managers, then?

Josh McCown can't play forever.

[pbmax]

If I get to run an NFL franchise after Patler and bobble, the first guy who brings me a Patriots trade suggestion gets fired.

Or at least, surveilled and followed.

@AdamSchefter
Trade terms: Baltimore dealt OL Jermaine Eluemunor and a sixth-round pick to New England for the Patriots’ fourth-round pick, per source.

[mraynrand]

...Or you go back to your hometown, where the manager of your local Famous Footwear hires you and promises to fast track you. You sell lots and lots of shoes, as the men come to hear your NFL stories ...

True story: I was playing the Gus Macker tourney at the Bradley Center summer of '90. One of my teammates (friend of a friend) goes up to the shoe tent and there's Fred Roberts (From the Bucks - a journeyman forward type). This guys says: "Say, I'd like to see those Addidas' over there in a size 11." Fred Roberts says: "I'm Fred Roberts" Guy says: "Well, it's nice to meet you Fred. Now can I see those shoes in a size 11."

[pbmax]

Texans have turned Jadaveon Clowney into two linebackers and a 3rd round pick. Trade with Seattle according to Aaron Wilson.

Genius.

[mraynrand]

Texans have turned Jadaveon Clowney into two linebackers and a 3rd round pick. Trade with Seattle according to Aaron Wilson.

Genius.

here's hoping that deal blows all the hell up on Seattle. There's a reasonable chance it will.

[pbmax]

here's hoping that deal blows all the hell up on Seattle. There's a reasonable chance it will.

Easily worth the risk though. If he stays remotely healthy, its a Lou Brock trade. One of those LBs were getting cut according to camp reports.

Edited to add:

@RapSheet
Terms for the #Seahawks trade for Jadeveon Clowney: Seattle gets Clowney, the #Texans get a third-round pick, LB Jacob Martin, and pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo, source said.

[mraynrand]

Seattle didn't give up much at all, did they.

[pbmax]

Seattle didn't give up much at all, did they.

No and the Texans didn't get what they were asking for in position either.

[mraynrand]

No and the Texans didn't get what they were asking for in position either.

Texan fan, hearing the trade details from his fiancée instead of wedding vows:

https://images.outbrainimg.com/transform/v3/eyJpdSI6ImM4MjJlNGIzNThiMmQyMmU5MDIwMGRjNDdiMWJiNj QxZmQ1YzU4M2EwZjE2YTExYTJiMWI3MzdjMTFiNmExZDAiLCJ3 IjozOTAsImgiOjM0MCwiZCI6MS41LCJjcyI6MCwiZiI6MH0.jp g

[pbmax]

@JasonLaCanfora
At this point based on all I've gathered it continues to look like Melvin Gordon's stare down with the Chargers will last into the regular season.


Will be interesting to see when he reports. He needs a year of service to get past his rookie deal and be a FA.

[Patler]

Seattle didn't give up much at all, did they.

Even less when you think that if Seattle doesn't resign him, they could get a likely 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick back a year later. He could be a real cheap one year rental.

[Zool]

Even less when you think that if Seattle doesn't resign him, they could get a likely 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick back a year later. He could be a real cheap one year rental.

Texans are flush with cash too. Makes you wonder why he was so easy to let go. Knee issues lingering?

[pbmax]

Texans are flush with cash too. Makes you wonder why he was so easy to let go. Knee issues lingering?

He's a great run defender and can play anywhere on the line, penetrate and make tackles. But he is not a 10-12 sack a year guy yet. Between that and the knee, probably did not want to invest.

But had they avoided infighting (the year one GM was fired in the late spring) they could have unloaded him like the Seahawks did with Frank Clark for picks this year and make out like bandits.

But they blew that opportunity to have an internal power struggle.

[pbmax]

HA HA HA!!

@ProFootballTalk
Vikings waive Kaare Vedvik

:lol:

You'd think that the inability of football head coaches to fathom the intricacies of the kicker position would give some lessons in humility about how much they do not know. This doesn't actually seem to happen very often though.

[pbmax]

@RapSheet
Full Terms: The #Texans get LT Laremy Tunsil, WR Kenny Stills and a fourth rounder. … The #Dolphins get 2 first-rounders, a second rounder, ST Johnson Bademosi and OL Julien Davenport, per me, @MikeGarafolo and @TomPelissero.

Coming this fall, Bill O'Brien is Hue Jackson, a man who has one last chance and the odds are stacked against him. The owner has died, he couldn't hire his own GM and now the jobs all fall to him. Starring Wesley Snipes, Liam Neeson, Kevin Costner, Reggie McKenzie, Greg Jennings's sister, Chris Rock and Pat McAfee.

Dead Coach Walking

Rated R.

[Zool]

Where’s that thread where Tex said players never get traded for players anymore?

[mraynrand]

@RapSheet
Full Terms: The #Texans get LT Laremy Tunsil, WR Kenny Stills and a fourth rounder. … The #Dolphins get 2 first-rounders, a second rounder, ST Johnson Bademosi and OL Julien Davenport, per me, @MikeGarafolo and @TomPelissero.

Coming this fall, Bill O'Brien is Hue Jackson, a man who has one last chance and the odds are stacked against him. The owner has died, he couldn't hire his own GM and now the jobs all fall to him. Starring Wesley Snipes, Liam Neeson, Kevin Costner, Reggie McKenzie, Greg Jennings's sister, Chris Rock and Pat McAfee.

Dead Coach Walking

Rated R.

Liam Neeson is bad casting. There are very few Eastern Europeans in the NFL for him to slaughter.

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045932/article/seahawks-cut-geno-smith-wilson-only-qb-on-roster

After cuts today, Broncos, Colts and Seahawks have only starting QB on roster.

[pbmax]

Liam Neeson is bad casting. There are very few Eastern Europeans in the NFL for him to slaughter.

Janikowski in a cameo?

[Zool]

Liam Neeson is bad casting. There are very few Eastern Europeans in the NFL for him to slaughter.

He could team up with Zimmer to murder all the kickers and punters.

[pbmax]

Texans are flush with cash too. Makes you wonder why he was so easy to let go. Knee issues lingering?

Less flush with cash than before:

@AdamSchefter
Capper to Saturday’s trade: Houston paid Jadeveon Clowney a $7 million signing bonus while Seattle is paying the remaining $8 million of his salary, per source.
Seattle also promised not to tag Clowney after this season, per source.


Someone should edit the wikipedia page for fleeced to include this example.

[mraynrand]

Kiko Alonso traded to Saints

[Joemailman]

Good news! Dez plans a comeback! https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/01/dez-bryant-hopes-to-return-to-the-nfl-in-mid-october/

[pbmax]

Oh, this is the good stuff.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZiwQnxSRUY

[texaspackerbacker]

Aw, it says the NFL content has been blocked.

Do you suppose it could have something to do with a certain boat some years ago where some Vikings were naughty? Row the Boat, Minnesota! hahahahaha

[pbmax]

Aw, it says the NFL content has been blocked.

Do you suppose it could have something to do with a certain boat some years ago where some Vikings were naughty? Row the Boat, Minnesota! hahahahaha

When it gives you that warning, click the link in the vid that says "Watch on You Tube" and is underlined, old school style.

[texaspackerbacker]

Thanks, max. Nice video - PLENTY of other failure, only minimal mention of the boat thing hahahaha.

[Joemailman]

Washington Redskins running back Samaje Perine has been waived. Perine, 23, had eight carries for 32 yards in five appearances last season. He was drafted in the fourth round in 2017.

I believe this guy had a lot of support on this forum during the 2017 draft.

Edit: Bengals have signed him.

[gbgary]

I believe this guy had a lot of support on this forum during the 2017 draft.

Edit: Bengals have signed him.
yup. i was one that hoped the Packers would take him. that's an amazing failure.

[Joemailman]

Chargers have suspended talks with Melvin Gordon until after the season. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045990/article/chargers-suspend-rb-gordon-talks-until-after-season

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRu2W0wllzA_8jSlLwMvvY24Y7x3twmH DufJAr2pelMq3r09W4r

[red]

Remember how a bunch of you just knew that we had to draft polite from Florida with that first pick, then we’re stunned when his draft stock fell after the combine, then thought we should take him with our second first round pick, then outlet second round pick, then our third?

Yeah he was cut, cleared waivers (meaning, no one else wanted him), then ended up landing on the Seahawks practice squad

Big fall for a guy that many thought would be a top 10 pick just a month or so before the draft

[pbmax]

Remember how a bunch of you just knew that we had to draft polite from Florida with that first pick, then we’re stunned when his draft stock fell after the combine, then thought we should take him with our second first round pick, then outlet second round pick, then our third?

Yeah he was cut, cleared waivers (meaning, no one else wanted him), then ended up landing on the Seahawks practice squad

Big fall for a guy that many thought would be a top 10 pick just a month or so before the draft

What are you trying to say?

[Bretsky]

What are you trying to say?


He's getting itchy for being a GM Tuesday night ?

[pbmax]

He's getting itchy for being a GM Tuesday night ?

Its like watching Parcells on TV. You know he wants to coach again but is just biding his time.

[Joemailman]

Colts visiting with QB David Fales.

No word yet on whether they've shown interest in K Chris Blewitt.

[red]

He's getting itchy for being a GM Tuesday night ?
No

Its like watching Parcells on TV. You know he wants to coach again but is just biding his time.

No

[mraynrand]

Its like watching Parcells on TV. You know he wants to coach again but is just biding his time.

Bill is just holding out until his agent can secure that Shapewear™ spokesperson contract.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPLX4zByPCw

[mraynrand]

Colts visiting with QB David Fales.

No word yet on whether they've shown interest in K Chris Blewitt.

lol

FALEblog.org!

https://ntvcld-a.akamaihd.net/image/upload/w_646,h_431,c_fill,g_auto:text,f_auto/assets/DAE75BDD74F642FF8F7F288EFCF6C528.jpg

[Patler]

Remember how a bunch of you just knew that we had to draft polite from Florida with that first pick, then we’re stunned when his draft stock fell after the combine, then thought we should take him with our second first round pick, then outlet second round pick, then our third?

Yeah he was cut, cleared waivers (meaning, no one else wanted him), then ended up landing on the Seahawks practice squad

Big fall for a guy that many thought would be a top 10 pick just a month or so before the draft

He made a big impression during his brief stay with the Jets:


So why did the Jets cut the cord on 2019 third-round draft pick Jachai Polite? While his on-field performance surely was a factor, disciplinary issues apparently came into play.
Per a league source, Polite was fined more than $100,000 for tardiness and other issues regarding doing things he shouldn’t have done or not doing things he should have been doing.

[pbmax]

It can always be worse:

@ProFootballTalk
Getting initial chatter of Zeke (Elliot) deal being done. Six year, $90 million extension. Unconfirmed.

[mraynrand]

It can always be worse:

@ProFootballTalk
Getting initial chatter of Zeke (Elliot) deal being done. Six year, $90 million extension. Unconfirmed.

For a guy who will be out of the league in a few years, all that matters is the guaranteed $$$ :)

[pbmax]

For a guy who will be out of the league in a few years, all that matters is the guaranteed $$$ :)

True. Plus they need some wiggle room to pay down that Romo dead money.

[pbmax]

@Jason_OTC
I wouldnt get wrapped up in the reported values of any Elliott deal. Mentioned yesterday that a compromise is simply a long deal to hit an APY. Prorated money only goes 5 years and guarantees usually 3 so any 6 year extension should give #Cowboys an out by 2022

@Jason_OTC
Now you can argue the logic in a big raise for 19 through 21 when you control the rights anyway on the rookie contract and a tag, but thats a different story

[texaspackerbacker]

The Cowboys being my second favorite team, I'm a little bit conflicted about this possible deal. I still remember the debacle of the Emmitt Smith deal a generation ago. True, Elliott is a lot younger, but I wouldn't risk that amount without a lot of "outs" for any RB. They just don't last that long in most cases. Also, arguably, it's the Cowboy O Line that is the cause of Elliott's greatness, and a lot of runners could do just about as well for a helluva lot less money.

He is damn good, though.

[Fritz]

It's fun to watch him. When he gets hit right at the line of scrimmage, sometimes by two defenders, you think he's stopped for no gain, and the next thing you know, he's gotten seven yards.

[mraynrand]

True, Elliott is a lot younger, but I wouldn't risk that amount without a lot of "outs" for any RB. They just don't last that long in most cases.

OSU RBs are notorious for flaming out. Eddie George is probably the only guy who had a long consistent career running. Byars lasted long but he really didn't run for much. Brockington was even better than any of their recent grads, except Elliot. But Elliot will detonate any year now, mark my words.

[Cheesehead Craig]

OSU RBs are notorious for flaming out. Eddie George is probably the only guy who had a long consistent career running. Byars lasted long but he really didn't run for much. Brockington was even better than any of their recent grads, except Elliot. But Elliot will detonate any year now, mark my words.

That Robert Smith (not The Cure one) was pretty good.

[mraynrand]

That Robert Smith (not The Cure one) was pretty good.

yep. I dismissed him because he quit!

[pbmax]

Rams signed Goff to a big extension. Rappaport was early, but Rams announced.

@RapSheet
· 35m
The #Rams & QB Jared Goff have made significant progress on a long-term contract extension that will be done in the coming days, sources say. The deal should pay him more than $32M per year and allow him to cash in early, similar to Carson Wentz. LA locking up more of its future.

[Fritz]

Interesting analysis of the Detroit Lions in the Free Press. Can't find the line I was looking for at the moment, but the sum of it was that the Lions lack team speed, but are big.

So we'll see how that philosophy ends up working out for them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

yep. I dismissed him because he quit!

Come on, all players quit at some point.

[Fritz]

Most Lions' beat writers think the Leos will go about 8 - 8 this year.

[mraynrand]

Come on, all players quit at some point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BqjjN87EuY

[pbmax]

^

Stonewall Jackson inquired sharply about a missing courier and was told that the boy had just been killed while delivering a message under fire.

“Very commendable, very commendable,” was Jackson’s reply.

[mraynrand]

^

Stonewall Jackson inquired sharply about a missing courier and was told that the boy had just been killed while delivering a message under fire.

“Very commendable, very commendable,” was Jackson’s reply.

cc: Joe Mailman

[pbmax]

No one has had a better two weeks than the Steelers front office.

Jason LaCanfora
Spoke to someone in Steelers organization about latest AB saga. Noted Mike Mayock has no organizational experience. Advised you have to be willing to let a lot go when you take on a personality of this magnitude. Making it personal will make it worse

[pbmax]

Bretsky's curse continues unabated.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1169720989015597058

@ProFootballTalk
Jimmie Ward may not play this week after breaking his finger

[pbmax]

B/R Gridiron @brgridiron
“Multiple” Dolphins players called their agents to request trades after Miami's 59-10 loss, per @ProFootballTalk

Do you think Brian Flores was in on the decision to tank?

[mraynrand]

B/R Gridiron @brgridiron
“Multiple” Dolphins players called their agents to request trades after Miami's 59-10 loss, per @ProFootballTalk

Do you think Brian Flores was in on the decision to tank?

“Rally ‘round the flag, boys!”