The Official other Teams and General NFL News (includes) Management and Coaching moves.

[texaspackerbacker]

B/R Gridiron @brgridiron
“Multiple” Dolphins players called their agents to request trades after Miami's 59-10 loss, per @ProFootballTalk

Do you think Brian Flores was in on the decision to tank?

Are they that bad? Or are the Ravens that good? I was thinking during the preseason, it seems like the Ravens care more about winning preseason games than other teams, but maybe they were just damn good. They still have a way above average defense, and now with Lamar Jackson, they can really put points on the board. The question for them will be, can Jackson stay healthy running a lot like he did in college.

[Fosco33]

Sounded like Cobb had a good game with Cowboys. Wonder if he’ll stay healthy? Always liked him...

[texaspackerbacker]

Cobb looked better and faster than he's looked for quite a while, and he broke a tackle to get a crucial first down while the game was still within reach for the Giants.

[pbmax]

Are they that bad? Or are the Ravens that good? I was thinking during the preseason, it seems like the Ravens care more about winning preseason games than other teams, but maybe they were just damn good. They still have a way above average defense, and now with Lamar Jackson, they can really put points on the board. The question for them will be, can Jackson stay healthy running a lot like he did in college.

Dolphins were putrid. Its only one game, but they have let a LOT of talent walk (Wake, Tunsil, Stills).

[Fritz]

B/R Gridiron @brgridiron
“Multiple” Dolphins players called their agents to request trades after Miami's 59-10 loss, per @ProFootballTalk

Do you think Brian Flores was in on the decision to tank?

After losing 59-10, how many Miami players will be in demand?

[pbmax]

Sounded like Cobb had a good game with Cowboys. Wonder if he’ll stay healthy? Always liked him...

After Cobbs game, I am 7% closer to agreeing with gbgary that Rodgers is damaged goods at this point.

i don't think its ego or stuborness. I think something is wrong physically after his second clavicle issue. Hasn't throw an intermediate ball well since. Too many balls at receivers feet.

[pbmax]

After losing 59-10, how many Miami players will be in demand?

It'll be an estate sale. You want a lightly used fireworks cannon?

$25

[mraynrand]

After Cobbs game, I am 7% closer to agreeing with gbgary that Rodgers is damaged goods at this point.

i don't think its ego or stuborness. I think something is wrong physically after his second clavicle issue. Hasn't throw an intermediate ball well since. Too many balls at receivers feet.

I’d be willing to bet it’s almost all injury avoidance mechanics. If I rewatch the game I’ll run some stats on how often he actually sets his feet. Bet it’s v low.

[mraynrand]

It'll be an estate sale. You want a lightly used fireworks cannon?

$25

How much for a cool zone bench?

[mraynrand]

Sounded like Cobb had a good game with Cowboys. Wonder if he’ll stay healthy? Always liked him...

Yep. I tuned in to watch. He’s a fun player to follow and I wanted to see him play healthy because you know it’s not going to last.

[George Cumby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BqjjN87EuY

A great movie that has nothing to do with the great source material. Even if Heinlein was nuts.

Plus: Dina Meyer.

[mraynrand]

A great movie that has nothing to do with the great source material. Even if Heinlein was nuts.

Plus: Dina Meyer.

All true. And just like Bailey Quarters and Mary Ann, smart guys love Diz more than what’s her face.

[George Cumby]

All true. And just like Bailey Quarters and Mary Ann, smart guys love Diz more than what’s her face.

"Bailey Quarters? Now that's a name I've not heard in a very long time."

And yes.

[pbmax]

How much for a cool zone bench?

$7

[pbmax]

I’d be willing to bet it’s almost all injury avoidance mechanics. If I rewatch the game I’ll run some stats on how often he actually sets his feet. Bet it’s v low.

I agree but with a caveat: he used to be able to do that. But I suppose its possible since he hasn't been Captain checkdown since 2009, he just doesn't know how to do the off balance throws short.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Sources: #Redskins RB Derrius Guice had an MRI this morning on the other, non-ACL knee and he’s likely to miss some time. The hope is he does not need surgery, but the team is doing a full evaluation. He gained 18 yards on 10 carries, looking like he wasn’t himself.

See, the Redskins needed to deactivate Adrian Peterson because they had a less than healthy Derrius Guice to ruin first. Now, depth chart problem solved.

[SudsMcBucky]

A great movie that has nothing to do with the great source material. Even if Heinlein was nuts.

Plus: Dina Meyer.

http://rs111.pbsrc.com/albums/n131/Nicnever/00%20D/Dina%20Meyer/DinaMeyer-Scoundrels002.gif~c200

[mraynrand]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Sources: #Redskins RB Derrius Guice had an MRI this morning on the other, non-ACL knee and he’s likely to miss some time. The hope is he does not need surgery, but the team is doing a full evaluation. He gained 18 yards on 10 carries, looking like he wasn’t himself.

See, the Redskins needed to deactivate Adrian Peterson because they had a less than healthy Derrius Guice to ruin first. Now, depth chart problem solved.

See- 18 yards on 10 carries isn’t even Petermans target ypc. I’m telling you the Skins need to give him the rock 50 times a game and he’ll get 100 yards no problem.

[pbmax]

Dan Patrick Show @dpshow
“The [Patriots] will have a we’ll see how it goes approach, they’re not going to bend the way the Raiders did.” - Patriots insider @tomecurran on how Antonio Brown fits with New England

Just a word of friendly advice. Tom Curran is probably among the most shameful Patriots apologists in my opinion.

The Raiders enforced the helmet rule, fined him then suspended him. Conditionally reinstated after an apology and then released him when he blew up again. All, it seems, to get to the Patriots.

Not only will the Patriots live with Brown's screwiness, they actively courted him last offseason. So Curran is completely full of shit. Patriots wanted him to screw up and then paid him for his efforts.

[call_me_ishmael]

I would be shocked if tampering didn't occur and they told him to get released and they'd sign him.

I don't think the NFL wants any part of opening that floodgate though.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky's curse continues unabated.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1169720989015597058

@ProFootballTalk
Jimmie Ward may not play this week after breaking his finger



My powers starting with the forecast of Odell Smach Mouth Thurman never cease to amaze me :))))

One things about Bretsky; you can ALWAYS find past views to rub into my face. Because I have views on everything....lol

[pbmax]

Doesn’t need to be tampering He wanted a trade to NE at the end of last season.

[pbmax]

If I bet, I would put $10 on the Bears not winning more than 5 games this year.

Rich Campbell @Rich_Campbell
Bears QB Mitch Trubisky in his first media session since immediately after the Packers loss: “I was told not to talk about the last game.” ...he elaborates by saying a team spokesman advised him as such. He adds: “All the mistakes we made, they’re fixable.”

Pubert:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEMyOO0WkAYCw7u?format=jpg&name=900x900

[pbmax]

Ryan Pace everyone!

Joe Ostrowski @JoeO670
Mitchell Trubisky NFL ranks thru two games in YEAR 3:
*33rd in TD(0)
*32nd in Yds Per Att(4.8)
*32nd in Net Yds Per Pass Att(4.26)
*32nd in Yds Per Comp(8.3)
*31st in Passer Rating(65.0)
*29th in QBR(22.1)
*29th in Passing Yds Per Game(174)
*27th in Comp Percentage(58.3)

[pbmax]

Man, talk about lowered expectations.

@danpompei
Maybe someday Mitch Trubisky will grow up to be Joe Flacco. For now, however, expectations for Trubisky need to be scaled back.

The Athletic: https://t.co/8EQEgeNU8j

[pbmax]

Where good sense goes to die: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/?utm_source=Direct

Narrated by Rich Eisen. :D

[pbmax]

Scott Kacsmar @ScottKacsmar
If the Patriots allow fewer than 10 points to the Jets this week, they will rank in the top 3 (possibly #1) in PA thru 3 games since 1940.

2019 NE - 3 PA in 2 games
1962 GB - 7 PA in 3 games
1940 DET - 10 PA in 3 games


To be fair, the technology did not exist in 1940 to inflate the ball with air to 13 psi. It was filled with Absinthe through a funnel. Much harder to throw.

[RashanGary]

To be fair, the technology did not exist in 1940 to inflate the ball with air to 13 psi. It was filled with Absinthe through a funnel. Much harder to throw.

They didn’t have a hired goon to deflate it to 11psi either.

[Fritz]

Lions fans holding on to hope with their team 1 - 0 - 1. Undefeated!

[pbmax]

A Jon Kitna/Calvin Johnson/Detroit Lions joint:

BUM CHILLUPS @edsbs
how bad is it if Jon Kitna sees the blueprints and goes "y'all we ain't winning a game with this" https://si.com/nfl/2019/09/20/calvin-johnson-lions-big-interview…


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE7BAMpX4AEzB5E?format=jpg&name=small


BUM CHILLUPS @edsbs
Jon Kitna had years of pre-Pete Carroll Seahawks and pure Bengals in his bloodstream and he saw the 2008 Detroit Lions and was like oh no, now this, this is what's really bad

[mraynrand]

BUM CHILLUPS @edsbs
Jon Kitna had years of pre-Pete Carroll Seahawks and pure Bengals in his bloodstream and he saw the 2008 Detroit Lions and was like oh no, now this, this is what's really bad

Kitna's seen the absolute worst:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-rg44k4Aw

[pbmax]

Jake Trotter @Jake_Trotter
Baker on Rex Ryan saying he’s “overrated as hell”: “it’s whatever. ... if you don’t wear orange and brown you don’t matter, and Rex Ryan doesn’t have any colors right now for a reason.”

:D

[pbmax]

I will miss seeing Melvin Gordon the rest of this year.

@RapSheet
#Chargers coach Anthony Lynn says RB Melvin Gordon may play on Sunday after all, thanks in part to depth issues in the backfield (Justin Jackson has a calf strain that could keep him out a few weeks). More on LA’s decision: https://t.co/JJ4Jzquc9Z?amp=1

[mraynrand]

Gardner Minshew:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/gardner-minshew-swag.jpg

Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Gardner Minshew gets endorsement offer from porn company
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/article235233222.html

[pbmax]

He looks like a porn company's exec.

[pbmax]

This account has to be run by someone I grew up with.

Super 70s Sports @Super70sSports
There was always that one kid at lunch whose mom somehow went into beast mode and screwed the thermos lid on tighter than Shaq shooting free throws in a tie game. And whoever got that fucker open was hailed as a hero.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFjgI7bXkAA2Dz8?format=jpg&name=small


But the real bear was a hot liquid in that Thermos. It would cool before lunch, and then you are fighting a vacuum.

[mraynrand]

He looks like a porn company's exec.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fsnl %2Fimages%2F6%2F66%2FWild_and_crazy_guys.jpg%2Frev ision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20140804162910&f=1&nofb=1

[mraynrand]

nm

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001059587/article/nfl-owners-player-leadership-still-seeking-resolution


NFL owners and player leadership are expected to resume formal bargaining talks within the next few weeks, with hopes of finalizing a new collective bargaining agreement before the league's 100th season ends -- though a lot of work remains.

According to sources involved in the process, there have been multiple staff meetings this month that have yielded additional progress on secondary issues. But the standoff on the most important issue hasn't substantively changed: owners want to add regular-season games while preserving their share of revenue, and players want to increase their share of revenue without adding regular-season games.


Ideally, the league would approach networks by December about extending the league's TV deals. So, a promise of labor peace for years to come at that point would be valuable and creates a logical target for trying to strike a deal.

The Athletic reported last week that owners were informed in recent committee meetings that their side will pursue an expansion from a 16-game regular season to 17 games, not 18. But as NFL.com reported last month, expanding the playoff field from 12 to 14 teams remains more likely than regular-season expansion, offsetting revenue lost by shortening the preseason from four games to three or even two.

Players are opposed to regular-season expansion, absent significant economic concessions. And as one person with knowledge of the players' thinking said, the deeper into the season that bargaining talks go, the harder it will be to get the players on board with playing an even longer slate of regular-season games.


Sources say there also are tentative agreements on issues involving benefits, raising minimum salaries, improving former player healthcare, workplace rules, how grievances are handled, health and safety, etc. One non-economic issue that owners and player leadership have discussed in bargaining sessions is marijuana, with both sides on board with making the jointly negotiated policy less punitive, sources say.


There is no firm timeline or deadline for agreeing to a new CBA, though there are some key benchmarks ahead. That includes a March election for the NFLPA executive committee, with respected president Eric Winston -- the 12-year veteran tackle who is now retired and will be ineligible to run for a fourth term, barring a surprise comeback -- among those due to cycle off under the union's constitution because he's not playing this season.

If I were the players, I'd say no to a 17th game unless they agree to get rid of the Thursday Night games (except maybe for Thanksgiving).

[Radagast]

As for a new CBA with the players, too far off right now, but discussing the issues is ok.

Expect for the Thanksgiving games (traditional), I would prefer that they stop the Thursday games.

I would be fine with expanding to a 17 game season provided that (1) preseason is shortened to 2 games and (2) open the training camps 10 days earlier than they currently have been. The additional game should be added to the beginning of the season so that the finish of the season and the playoffs would remain as they have been ending with an early February SB finale.

Playing the Pro-Bowl game between the Conference championships and the SB game is fine, but go back to a permanent Hawaii location. A player/family bonus that pro bowl players, IMO, have earned.

[MadScientist]

I'm guessing the players won't agree to extra regular season games. Too many players don't make it through a season as is. To stretch out the season, they might add a second bye week. Ideally that would occur the week before a Thursday game, if those are still to be played.

[pbmax]

Panic in Purple Pride Land:


Luke Braun @LukeBraunNFL
bow to your inevitable future


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFza0jLU8AA4SF5?format=png&name=900x900

[ThunderDan]

Panic in Purple Pride Land:


Luke Braun @LukeBraunNFL
bow to your inevitable future


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFza0jLU8AA4SF5?format=png&name=900x900
He’d look just like Grimace from McDonalds.

[Fritz]

Panic in Purple Pride Land:


Luke Braun @LukeBraunNFL
bow to your inevitable future


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFza0jLU8AA4SF5?format=png&name=900x900

Wonder how Ras feels about this.

[George Cumby]

He’d look just like Grimace from McDonalds.

Naw. A white Denny Green with out the ‘stache.

[pbmax]

Naw. A white Denny Green with out the ‘stache.

Oh, the Stache would complete the heel turn.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think the players will strike before having an 18 game season, unless they get such a bigger piece of the revenue pie that the union leadership can convince them to do it. I just don't think the owners can swallow giving up that much revenue though.

[George Cumby]

18 game season so stupid. Can't keep players healthy for a 16 game season.

[pbmax]

Brad Biggs @BradBiggs
#Bears coach Matt Nagy says QB Mitch Trubisky will "most likely miss this game" but calls him day-to-day.


So, he is benched?

[mraynrand]

I think the players will strike before having an 18 game season, unless they get such a bigger piece of the revenue pie that the union leadership can convince them to do it. I just don't think the owners can swallow giving up that much revenue though.

I think they should go the other way - 14 game schedule, 2 preseason, 3 byes/team. Get more national games and revenue from that. Byes before Thursday games will make those games better. Have 10 spots for IR to return, but reduce minimum time on IR to 4 weeks.

[pbmax]

I think they should go the other way - 14 game schedule, 2 preseason, 3 byes/team. Get more national games and revenue from that. Byes before Thursday games will make those games better. Have 10 spots for IR to return, but reduce minimum time on IR to 4 weeks.

Regional games have got to be an expensive model to produce. I could see this being an attractive idea. Fewer total games, more total televised events. Lower costs, more revenue.

The local share of ad revenue for Titans-Jax can't be very high.

Though I doubt teams will give up on eight home games. They want so badly to get to 9 they are considering 17 over two seasons.

Beano Cook would understand: https://slate.com/culture/2012/10/week-5-beano-cook-nfl-broadcast-maps-how-the-longtime-college-football-commentator.html

[SudsMcBucky]

I think they should go the other way - 14 game schedule, 2 preseason, 3 byes/team. Get more national games and revenue from that. Byes before Thursday games will make those games better. Have 10 spots for IR to return, but reduce minimum time on IR to 4 weeks.

How about a first EASY step of allowing all of your 53 man roster to be active? The teams already pay these guys. If the league is really concerned about an easy first step in improving player safety, let EVERYONE on the roster be active. Sheesh.

[mraynrand]

How about a first EASY step of allowing all of your 53 man roster to be active? The teams already pay these guys. If the league is really concerned about an easy first step in improving player safety, let EVERYONE on the roster be active. Sheesh.

I'm totally fine with this. And if teams get upset about crazy substitutions, just go no huddle. I will make them pay!

https://www.cleveland19.com/resizer/cdqRV_1lE7G0kyrfmokOTS8LjMw=/1200x600/d1acid63ghtydj.cloudfront.net/03-07-2019/t_1dc3aa8c118a4fe583a1c6760b382592_name_file_1280x 720_2000_v3_1_.jpg

[call_me_ishmael]

I think they should go the other way - 14 game schedule, 2 preseason, 3 byes/team. Get more national games and revenue from that. Byes before Thursday games will make those games better. Have 10 spots for IR to return, but reduce minimum time on IR to 4 weeks.

Keep it at 16 games, but do the rest of this. I love it. I think any player that gets hurt should be able to come back after 4 weeks. Why turn injuries and player health into a chess game and punish the fans/franchise over a freak injury? Let the players play if they're healthy.

[Patler]

Brad Biggs @BradBiggs
#Bears coach Matt Nagy says QB Mitch Trubisky will "most likely miss this game" but calls him day-to-day.


So, he is benched?

When I saw the play, I thought he might have broken his collar bone. Didn't, but did dislocate his left shoulder.

[pbmax]

When I saw the play, I thought he might have broken his collar bone. Didn't, but did dislocate his left shoulder.

Probably. But day to day is not the designation that makes sense. Just having fun at their expense.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So there's big trouble brewing in Viking-land. Stefon Diggs has been absent all week and isn't on the injury report. The rumors coming out are that he's pissed at the organization and does not like their run-first offense. The Vikes have said they are not trading him unless they get a massive deal. With Thielen calling out Cousins, and Diggs' theatrics and the Vikes' season seems to be coming apart.

[mraynrand]

Vikings are still chasing that loss at Philly. It's tempting to overreact about the offense after playin the Bears, but they probably should keep their shirts on. Not that I want to give them any good advice...

[run pMc]

"There's truth to all rumors" is not a good way to calm speculation. It seems like he's unhappy.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001061533/article/stefon-diggs-on-if-he-wants-out-truth-to-all-rumors

4 games in feels early, and with players finding ways to force their way off teams this could be a locker room issue.

[mraynrand]

Maybe they can trade Diggs and a first for Jalen Ramsey. lol

[pbmax]

We'll send them SPRIGGS™ for Diggs.

[Patler]

Didn't the Vikings just give that clown a big pile of money this off season? Now, after 4 games he is whining about then offensive scheme? As a group, I hate wide receivers.

[George Cumby]

IIRC, Zimmer had a defensive backfield revolt a couple of years ago. In game, no less. A pattern?

[run pMc]

IIRC, Zimmer had a defensive backfield revolt a couple of years ago. In game, no less. A pattern?

He did...I wonder if 8-8 and no playoffs gets Zimmer canned.
It's weird for them to panicking at 2-2; but between all the handwringing about Cousins and now Diggs, it feels early for all this drama and potential for a season to go bad on them. It's not like they have no talent and are 0-4 (cough, Dolphins) or playing with a bunch of injuries.

Zimmer has clashed with his OCs -- he wants to run the ball. A lot. Dalvin Cook is a good/great player, but in a passing league you wonder about that approach when you have Diggs and Thielen to throw to.

If he does get canned, he'd get picked up as a DC in a minute by any smart team.

[texaspackerbacker]

Funny how run-first vs. pass-first is an issue with them too, and I suppose the picture is a lot more blurry, considering that Cousins isn't even good enough to carry Rodgers' jock strap, and they have a RB probably better than ours and undoubtedly an O Line better than ours too - few are worse. I can see how those two excellent WRs might be upset, though.

Historically, it really seems like the whole Vikings franchise is fucked up six ways to Tuesday hahahahahahaha.

[Joemailman]

Zimmer is starting to look like just another defensive-minded coach who failed as a head coach because he had too conservative of an approach to offense. He fired DeFilippo last year because they didn't run enough. Well, he got what he wanted. They're 5th in rushing attempts and 30th in passing attempts. He's on his 4th OC in 5 years. Wonder who the next scapegoat will be.

[pbmax]

Zimmer is starting to look like just another defensive-minded coach who failed as a head coach because he had too conservative of an approach to offense. He fired DeFilippo last year because they didn't run enough. Well, he got what he wanted. They're 5th in rushing attempts and 30th in passing attempts. He's on his 4th OC in 5 years. Wonder who the next scapegoat will be.

I cannot fathom being paid multiple millions of dollars and the amount of thought you put into hiring the other side's coordinator is

"do I dislike facing this approach?"

That thought process has birthed the wildcat and run first games. Catastrophic.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good Analysis.

[run pMc]

Zimmer is starting to look like just another defensive-minded coach who failed as a head coach because he had too conservative of an approach to offense. He fired DeFilippo last year because they didn't run enough. Well, he got what he wanted. They're 5th in rushing attempts and 30th in passing attempts. He's on his 4th OC in 5 years. Wonder who the next scapegoat will be.

Yeah, that's why I think it could be Zimmer...they brought Kubiak in to help, so IF things go sour for the Vikes this year they could potentially fire Zimmer and put Kubiak in as HC. Their OL was bad last year and made improvements this year, but I still think GB's is better. Unless they sort out their passing game (force feed Diggs/Thielen?) they are at best a step up from the Christian Ponder era.

[pbmax]

Isn't Kubiak a big health risk?

[pbmax]

Is it just stupidity or mercilessness? Gase really needs to get some sleep. I wouldn't hire him to wash my car.

Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
The #Jets gave Sam Darnold all the reps with the starters last week, leaving Luke Falk in a tough spot once again, this time against the #Eagles.

[pbmax]

I say this with all sincerity: please Mike McCarthy, don't go coach in Washington. No one deserves that.

Jay Gruden is out as Washington's head coach. I am sure this will fix things. Rumor was that Danny is very fond of Dwayne Haskins and did not want Colt McCoy (and possibly not Case Keenum) starting. You see, Haskins went to Danny's high school alma mater.

Bill Callahan is the interim coach. When he gets fired next year (if he is lucky) he should get hired by a team as he is a great O line coach.

[pbmax]

On of the Bleacher Report's better guys has a list of players that should be traded from each team. This guy caught my eye

Cleveland Browns: LB Genard Avery

Anyone know about him? Not saying he is available, but curious.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2857150-one-player-who-should-be-traded-from-every-nfl-team#slide8

Its a year early perhaps, but the article also points out the poor fit for Josh Jackson in this defense. He's been Hyded in reverse. Hyde needed to be a safety, Jackson needs to be a zone corner.

[pbmax]

There is a technical term for slop, the amount of gaps there are in a sequence of machinery that can cause problems for its function. But that term escapes me at the moment.

However, I think I have found that slop elucidated by one of the NFL's former league officials. Mike Pereira, from the Thursday night game, suggested what the officials are looking for in pass interference reviews:


After Allen finished, Pereira continued. “And, really, what they’re doing, Joe, is they’re looking back to the championship game in New Orleans, and they’re looking for it to be for that level—it has to rise to a level in replay to have them actually make the call from New York.”

Which would be fine except "blindingly obvious" is hard to define at its bottom range, somewhere among "I think that was incorrect". Not every replay is going to be last year's non-interference in the NFC Championship game. But the real problem is that there is one version of this rule in practice and a completely DIFFERENT rule in the rule book:


A decision on the field will only be reversed based on clear and obvious visual evidence that the ruling was incorrect, the same standard for all reviews.

Which is why everyone is confused.

https://deadspin.com/as-expected-the-nfls-pass-interference-replay-rule-has-1838976188

[Patler]

There is a technical term for slop, the amount of gaps there are in a sequence of machinery that can cause problems for its function. But that term escapes me at the moment.


Stack-up is the term used for the accumulated variations of tolerance ranges.

[pbmax]

Stack-up is the term used for the accumulated variations of tolerance ranges.

I believe you. Wasn't what I had in mind, but that might be more technically accurate.

[mraynrand]

Which is why everyone is confused.

https://deadspin.com/as-expected-the-nfls-pass-interference-replay-rule-has-1838976188

The NFL ultimately put this review mechanism in place because they wanted to avoid a repeat of the kind of embarrassment they suffered from a horrible blown call in the NFCC game, nothing more. But what they don't get is that they don't decide what's embarrassing. If there's a blown call, even if it's 'close' but that someone on a network, radio show, podcast, or an internet meme catches onto/focuses on and it goes viral, they lose again. The process is limited by the challenge flags - if coaches want to challenge they should be able to do so and to get a fair result. The NFL, in it's insane lack of wisdom, decided to create a standard not in the rule book, thinking they could eliminate further embarrassment by forcing coaches not to challenge and now they are getting burned by it. Because everyone can see that it is essentially lawless. Scorning, prideful morons.

[pbmax]

The NFL ultimately put this review mechanism in place because they wanted to avoid a repeat of the kind of embarrassment they suffered from a horrible blown call in the NFCC game, nothing more. But what they don't get is that they don't decide what's embarrassing. If there's a blown call, even if it's 'close' but that someone on a network, radio show, podcast, or an internet meme catches onto/focuses on and it goes viral, they lose again. The process is limited by the challenge flags - if coaches want to challenge they should be able to do so and to get a fair result. The NFL, in it's insane lack of wisdom, decided to create a standard not in the rule book, thinking they could eliminate further embarrassment by forcing coaches not to challenge and now they are getting burned by it. Because everyone can see that it is essentially lawless. Scorning, prideful morons.

Right. The moment the replay shows something, its fodder for the next couple of days. Its also why efforts to reduce calls to just what the officials can see live ultimately fail, even though such an effort if laudable.

As soon as you have 4 different slo mo angles, the frame of reference has changed.

I'd love to review just the outrageously blown calls, but its not going to happen unless you severely truncate the system. Or dispose of replay altogether.

[hoosier]

I'm not as intrigued by NFL football as I used to be, but as bad as the new replay look is, it could be worse: they could have John O'Neill looking at the tablet.

[Joemailman]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27854825/jaguars-send-jalen-ramsey-rams-pair-1st-rounders

Jaguars trade Jalen Ramsey to Rams for 2020 and 2021 1st round picks plus a 4th round pick.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001066126/article/stunner-rams-trade-cb-marcus-peters-to-ravens

Rams trade Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young.

[pbmax]

Quite a haul for Ramsey.

[George Cumby]

Anyone else think this smells of desperation?

[pbmax]

Anyone else think this smells of desperation?

Yes, for the Rams. Highway robbery and I am not sure that one great CB fixes their defense.

[run pMc]

Wow. Good trades for JAX and BAL.
Getting a pair of R1s for a malcontent like Ramsey is pretty good. The Rams picks will likely be in the 20's but that gives JAX a lot of ammo.

Marcus Peters is a good CB if/when his head is on right. Never heard of Kenny Young but I don't think LAR needs another LB so they basically gave Peters away which makes me think he was causing headaches in the locker room.

It does feel like desperation. They traded a bunch of picks to go from a good CB to a great CB. I agree with pb that one CB won't fix their issues. The trade should help them give up less points but I also think they have problems on offense.

[SudsMcBucky]

Yes, for the Rams. Highway robbery and I am not sure that one great CB fixes their defense.

No doubt. JAX made out like bandits in this deal.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Looks like the Rams are going all in for a SB for this year and next. Going with the strat of several big time stars and hope they can find cheap guys who are productive. Add in they won't get top level talent in the next few drafts, they are really rolling the dice here.

[Zool]

Yes, for the Rams. Highway robbery and I am not sure that one great CB fixes their defense.

Unless he plays in LA for 10 years and goes to the HOF. Then it's a good trade for LA.

[pbmax]

Unless he plays in LA for 10 years and goes to the HOF. Then it's a good trade for LA.

Two first round picks. They need that return pretty quickly. As in two to five years they'll have less young, cheap talent.

This deal makes more senes before Goff's extension.

[mraynrand]

This deal makes more sense before Goff's extension.

yep, but it's a little more like this deal would make sense if they hadn't needed to extend Goff for a couple more years. Compare it to the Steeler's cornerback deal, if you assume the Steelers believe Ben is finished (one more year max) and their QB will shift to the cheaper category.

[run pMc]

Would you rather spend the picks for Ramsey or Mack?
Oakland traded Mack, a second-round pick in 2020 and a conditional 2020 fifth-rounder to the Bears for their first-round pick in 2019, their sixth-rounder in 2019, their first-rounder in 2020 and their third-rounder in 2020.

I like Ramsey as a player a lot, but I'd take Mack over Ramsey.

[pbmax]

Trust us, we're experts!

Adam Lefkoe @AdamLefkoe
Jets OL Kelechi Osemele has been told by two doctors that he needs shoulder surgery, per source.

The source says the Jets have been attempting to delay surgery by sending blank and incorrect MRI images to doctors...even going as far as refusing to release workers comp forms.

[pbmax]

College, but similar to other official ball marking in NFL. Kickoff was fair caught for a placement on the 25. Then this measurement meant first down.

Maybe someone call tennis or baseball and get the ball tracker system.

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1185795155955200000


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHTKSjzWoAMIBKj?format=jpg&name=large

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHTKTyQWsAASumr?format=jpg&name=large

[pbmax]

Micha Hyde, just winning ballgames.

https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1186316390510321665

[Cheesehead Craig]

Micha Hyde, just winning ballgames.

https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1186316390510321665

That was pretty sweet though.

[mraynrand]

Micha Hyde, just winning ballgames.

https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1186316390510321665

Golden hands against anyone but the Niners.

[pbmax]

Mohammed Sanu traded to the Patriots for a 2nd round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001068463/article/patriots-trade-for-wr-mohamed-sanu-from-falcons

[Cheesehead Craig]

Mohammed Sanu traded to the Patriots for a 2nd round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001068463/article/patriots-trade-for-wr-mohamed-sanu-from-falcons

Well, that makes it official that Atlanta is throwing in the towel and Quinn is gone after the season. They are stuck with Ryan for at least another 2 seasons as his contract is a massive albatross around their neck. Likely they will sell off a few more pieces to get more draft capital.

[Teamcheez1]

Mohammed Sanu traded to the Patriots for a 2nd round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001068463/article/patriots-trade-for-wr-mohamed-sanu-from-falcons

I'm sure the Packers have kicked the tires on several receivers, but I doubt Gute was willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Sanu.

[hoosier]

Seems like a lot to give up for a 30-year old guy who's at best a 2. But Pats are loaded with draft picks and their window is now--as it has been since 2005.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Micha Hyde, just winning ballgames.

https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1186316390510321665

I dunno about you, but when I was shutting down Darren Charles, we call shit like the shit Mr. Hyde pulled “running up the score.”

Unsportsmanship. Abomination.

[call_me_ishmael]

Sanu to New England is *such* a good move. They have two premier shifty slot guys. We don't have any.

It's a slot receivers world and we're just livin' in it. The name of the game is the short yard shake - the modern day south Philly floater. The short yard shake is how you move the sticks and sustain drives. For every Julio Jones, that is a Sanu behind him keeping drives alive with the short yardage shake baby.

[Teamcheez1]

Sanu to New England is *such* a good move. They have two premier shifty slot guys. We don't have any.

It's a slot receivers world and we're just livin' in it. The name of the game is the short yard shake - the modern day south Philly floater. The short yard shake is how you move the sticks and sustain drives. For every Julio Jones, that is a Sanu behind him keeping drives alive with the short yardage shake baby.

So the question then becomes would you have traded our 2nd rd pick (likely higher than NE's pick) for Sanu?
I would not have.

[mraynrand]

- the modern day south Philly floater.

I dropped one of those in the stadium men’s room at the Packer-Eagles game in 2004.

[SudsMcBucky]

I'm sure the Packers have kicked the tires on several receivers, but I doubt Gute was willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Sanu.

Nor should he have. I'm all for drafting a WR high in 2020, but would not have given up a 2nd for a FA WR when you can draft a damn good one w/ that 2nd and have them for 4 or so years on manageable contract.

[call_me_ishmael]

So the question then becomes would you have traded our 2nd rd pick (likely higher than NE's pick) for Sanu?
I would not have.

Nope, I wouldn't have. New England overpaid a bit probably but they Sanu is just *such* a good fit for them. You just know he'll be a great compliment to Edelman.

I would, however, give up a #2 for AJ Green. I'd give up a #3 or #4 for Corey Davis.

[Fritz]

Nor should he have. I'm all for drafting a WR high in 2020, but would not have given up a 2nd for a FA WR when you can draft a damn good one w/ that 2nd and have them for 4 or so years on manageable contract.

I agree if you're Green Bay, who is contending but has a number of weaknesses, but if you're New England and clearly are a legitimate favorite, it might be worth the seemingly steep price if you thought Sanu would help get you all the way there. Besides, the way Belichek works, he'll swap up and down and all around and end up with a second round pick anyway.

[mraynrand]

I agree if you're Green Bay, who is contending but has a number of weaknesses, but if you're New England and clearly are a legitimate favorite, it might be worth the seemingly steep price if you thought Sanu would help get you all the way there. Besides, the way Belichek works, he'll swap up and down and all around and end up with a second round pick anyway.

NE can legitimately go with "all in" to win right now this year too because Brady's at that age where the likelihood of one wrong step ending his career is not low. I'd say the chances are 13.33% (repeating of course) that he blows a tendon or ligament at any second. Any second now.....still waiting.....getting closer.....any time now....

[Joemailman]

Broncos trading Emmanuel Sanders to 49ers.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Broncos trading Emmanuel Sanders to 49ers.

Sounds like they gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick for a rest of season rental.

[Joemailman]

Sounds like they gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick for a rest of season rental.

NFL Network is saying it's a 3rd and 4th for Sanders and a 5th.

[pbmax]

Belichick will just get that 2nd rounder back from the Browns when he trades them a rental safety.

[Fritz]

NFL Network is saying it's a 3rd and 4th for Sanders and a 5th.

Seems like a steep price to pay for a rental player. What round compensatory pick will you get when he walks at the end f the year? A fifth? So you get two fifth rounders but give up a third and fourth for a guy who played for half a year for you?

On another front, the Lions are sellers: They sent Quandre Diggs to Seattle, supposedly for a fifth round pick.

Darius Slay is pissed off, and the Lions are still rebuilding. Or they're rebuilding again. Or something.

[Cheesehead Craig]

NFL Network is saying it's a 3rd and 4th for Sanders and a 5th.

Ah, misunderstood. I plead the fifth.

[hoosier]

Seems like a steep price to pay for a rental player. What round compensatory pick will you get when he walks at the end f the year? A fifth? So you get two fifth rounders but give up a third and fourth for a guy who played for half a year for you?

On another front, the Lions are sellers: They sent Quandre Diggs to Seattle, supposedly for a fifth round pick.

Darius Slay is pissed off, and the Lions are still rebuilding. Or they're rebuilding again. Or something.

SOL

[pbmax]

Tribune Mailbag almost as good as Chicago sports radio.


When does it stop being too early for Ryan Pace to be on the hot seat? We can yell, scream and make faces about Mitchell Gabbert’s play or the way Gary Crowton 2.0 calls plays or (soils) the bed under pressure (the Chiefs-Titans playoff game looks like a hell of a harbinger right now), but Pace is the one who put the fate of the franchise in their hands. Yes, the roster is better than what he inherited, but he squanders a lot of the draft capital that he doesn’t trade away and has given out some truly awful free-agent contracts in his tenure. Is Virginia McCaskey pissed off again yet? — Ryan

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-mailbag-mitch-trubisky-matt-nagy-20191023-ocj4flhk7favlbfl5e5a6mfefy-story.html

The universal complaint:

The Green Bay game did not go well, in part because of the lack of playing time in the preseason for the starting lineup.

[hoosier]

All of which goes to say that the correct answer to the Mailman's poll is (C): Because they're the Bears!

[run pMc]

Can we call it the HHCD Curse?

By the way, at some point the Packers are gonna go thru a tough stretch and people are gonna wonder how good MLF is and if he's just riding Rodgers coattails. I'm calling it now: don't panic, let it play out. He's made some missteps but has done better than I thought he would. (Low bar to clear after M3? Dunno.)

It's too easy to get wrapped up in one loss, having two bad losses back to back (OAK, NO) is a concern but not the end of the world.
I think you have to look bigger picture, but right now the CHI locker room is a mess and Nagy has work to do if he wants to salvage the season.

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Chad Henne designated for return from IR

Why?

[Teamcheez1]

Seems like a lot to give up for a 30-year old guy who's at best a 2. But Pats are loaded with draft picks and their window is now--as it has been since 2005.

The Patriots put Josh Gordon on IR and do not expect to bring him back.
It's pretty obvious now why they were so desperate to trade for Sanu.

[pbmax]

Manish Mehta
Kelechi Osemele says that Jets GM Joe Douglas admitted to him that the team inadvertently sent blank MRIs to doctors. KO said Douglas called it an “honest mistake” by the team

[pbmax]

@AdamSchefter
Trade: Arizona has reached agreement in principle to trade a conditional 2020 draft pick to Miami for RB Kenyan Drake, league sources tell ESPN.

Unbelievable. At some point, collecting draft picks runs into diminishing returns.

[mraynrand]

@AdamSchefter
Trade: Arizona has reached agreement in principle to trade a conditional 2020 draft pick to Miami for RB Kenyan Drake, league sources tell ESPN.

Unbelievable. At some point, collecting draft picks runs into diminishing returns.

Dolphin fan isn't gonna put up with 1-32 like Brown fan.

[pbmax]

Dolphin fan isn't gonna put up with 1-32 like Brown fan.

Many more options in the winter.

Beach, sun, frolic, prepare for hurricanes.

[pbmax]

He's a Genius
One in a million coach

@diannaESPN
Dead Money in New England
Antonio Brown 5.7 million
Michael Bennett 3.6 Million
Adrian Clayborn 2 Million
Gronk 2 Million
Brian Hoyer 1.7 Million
That's about 15 million dollars in dead money.
For the Patriots, that's pretty high.

[pbmax]

The Jets are up for trading Leveon Bell.

You see, when you hire a coach and he is over his head with problems he cannot solve, he always tries to do someone's job instead of his own. Its also a neat way to deflect blame.

[Smidgeon]

Andy Dalton is being benched for a 4th round rookie.

I don't watch Bengals games, but my unresearched opinion is the team's performance (and Dalton's) is more a result of its coach/GM than it is the QB.

[Fritz]

The Jets are up for trading Leveon Bell.

You see, when you hire a coach and he is over his head with problems he cannot solve, he always tries to do someone's job instead of his own. Its also a neat way to deflect blame.


Lions up for trading Darius Slay, but because he's signed through 2020 at ten mill per year, they want a first rounder plus.

Slay is an all-around great guy and excellent cover corner. He's missed two games and parts of others with a hammy injury this year.

[Teamcheez1]

Doesn't look like any of the big names changed teams today.

I expected to possibly see Trent Williams, AJ Green, and slew of others possibly move.
Looks like the trading deadline was more hype than anything actually happening.

[run pMc]

Andy Dalton is being benched for a 4th round rookie.

I don't watch Bengals games, but my unresearched opinion is the team's performance (and Dalton's) is more a result of its coach/GM than it is the QB.

Zac Taylor is in over his head. Glad GB didn't hire him. Also, that OL is making Dalton's life miserable. He could be throwing balls in Soldier field next year.
CIN could have traded players for picks and didn't, they need a rebuild.

[run pMc]

@AdamSchefter
Trade: Arizona has reached agreement in principle to trade a conditional 2020 draft pick to Miami for RB Kenyan Drake, league sources tell ESPN.

Unbelievable. At some point, collecting draft picks runs into diminishing returns.

#trusttheprocess

[Teamcheez1]

Jerry Jones offered a first round pick and an additional late round pick (rumored to be 4th or 5th round) for safety Jamal Adams of the Jets.
The Jets asked for more and the deal fell through.

[run pMc]

Lions up for trading Darius Slay, but because he's signed through 2020 at ten mill per year, they want a first rounder plus.

Slay is an all-around great guy and excellent cover corner. He's missed two games and parts of others with a hammy injury this year.

He's still pissed about Diggs getting traded. I'd give up a R4 for 24 games of Slay if I were a CB needy team. That's not a terrible contract for an above-average CB. A R1 is way too much, and he might be getting to an age where injuries start happening more.
As it is they didn't move him, so maybe winning a few games will improve his attitude or Pats-West will ship him out in the offseason to someplace like Philly.

[run pMc]

Jerry Jones offered a first round pick and an additional late round pick (rumored to be 4th or 5th round) for safety Jamal Adams of the Jets.
The Jets asked for more and the deal fell through.

And Adams found out about it from his agent after sitting down with the GM and saying he wanted to stay with the NYJ.
That organization is a mess.

[pbmax]

Zac Taylor is in over his head. Glad GB didn't hire him. Also, that OL is making Dalton's life miserable. He could be throwing balls in Soldier field next year.
CIN could have traded players for picks and didn't, they need a rebuild.

Dalton talked about this. Why didn't they let him know they were thinking about a change and let them work out a deal with someone?

[pbmax]

Kareem Copeland @kareemcopeland
Trent Williams said it was a cancerous tumor on his head. Was first discovered 6 years ago but doctors told him it was minor. #redskins

https://twitter.com/kareemcopeland/status/1189989582747635712

Post Sports @PostSports
Trent Williams reveals he had cancer, says Redskins failed to test for it for six years
https://wapo.st/2oDZ8Yk

[pbmax]

@RapSheet
#Panthers QB Cam Newton hasn’t played since mid-September & his sprained foot is not getting better. He hasn’t done more than rehab to the side. The visit to Dr. Anderson in Green Bay is to learn why his condition isn’t improving, source said. Playing football is a long way off.

So this gentleman is the go to foot specialist for second opinions and tricky injuries related to feet in the NFL. How the heck did he land in Green Bay? I would love to read that story. I think he is basically Dr. McKenzie's lieutenant, so he is in line for the Packers job.

[mraynrand]

Kareem Copeland @kareemcopeland
Trent Williams said it was a cancerous tumor on his head. Was first discovered 6 years ago but doctors told him it was minor. #redskins

https://twitter.com/kareemcopeland/status/1189989582747635712

Post Sports @PostSports
Trent Williams reveals he had cancer, says Redskins failed to test for it for six years
https://wapo.st/2oDZ8Yk

"Williams failed a physical Wednesday morning, when he was unable to comfortably fit a helmet on his head. He said he tried two helmets without any luck, adding that surgeons had cut out 30 percent of his scalp to remove the tumor, and that some pain remains from the two procedures to repair the wound."

Just slap a piece of extra foam in there and get back on the field!

[pbmax]

"Williams failed a physical Wednesday morning, when he was unable to comfortably fit a helmet on his head. He said he tried two helmets without any luck, adding that surgeons had cut out 30 percent of his scalp to remove the tumor, and that some pain remains from the two procedures to repair the wound."

Just slap a piece of extra foam in there and get back on the field!

You flour up a cheesecloth enough and that will peel right off at the end of the game with barely any more scalp gone.

[Fritz]

In other news, Da Bears still suck!

Trubitchski is looking like a bad pick - a guy who is just okay but whom you gave up lots of picks to go up and get early - especially when you could have picked Mahomes or Watson. The Khalil Mack deal made the Bears' year last year, but now the chickens come home to roost when the organization is floundering and that next #1 pick is looking like a top of the round pick.

So once again another lost quarterback move plus desperation = Da Bears suckage.

I do love it.

Now if the Lions can only lose on Sunday and watch the ship sink, my life will be nearly complete. That, and another Packer Super Bowl win and a date with Drew Barrymore.

[pbmax]

In other news, Da Bears still suck!

Trubitchski is looking like a bad pick - a guy who is just okay but whom you gave up lots of picks to go up and get early - especially when you could have picked Mahomes or Watson. The Khalil Mack deal made the Bears' year last year, but now the chickens come home to roost when the organization is floundering and that next #1 pick is looking like a top of the round pick.

So once again another lost quarterback move plus desperation = Da Bears suckage.

I do love it.

Now if the Lions can only lose on Sunday and watch the ship sink, my life will be nearly complete. That, and another Packer Super Bowl win and a date with Drew Barrymore.

Would you settle for 3 out of 4?

[pbmax]

Packers once again scaring injuries and firings into teams without even playing them.

@AdamSchefter
With the MRI confirming that his pec is torn, 49ers' LB Kwon Alexander's season is over.

[RashanGary]

Oh damn. Kwon Alexander has been a really good player for them. Ouch.

[George Cumby]

Gordon to the Hags

[RashanGary]

Kwon Alexander would have been a good match defender for Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams. Now he’s out. What a shame.

[pbmax]

Dan Hampton, Ed O’Bradovich, and Glen Kozlowski do a Bears post game show for WGN. They had some things to say about the recent missed FG.

https://wgnradio.com/2019/10/27/the-hamp-ob-show-with-koz-10-27-19-bears-vs-chargers-full-post-game-show/

Ed gets it going with a litany of complaints at 1:05 but I think we will all enjoy the replay of the TV broadcast for the final missed kick.

[pbmax]

We have a coach, by the name of Nagy, who does not understand the game at this level. He does NOT understand the game at this level! HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that you could be on the six-yard line, GOAL TO GO, and NOT ONE TIME! Not ONE TIME do you throw to somebody, or try to score a touchdown, to SOMEBODY IN THE END ZONE? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?


You come back again, what, on the FOUR-yard-line? And you have ANOTHER four downs to score a touch—AND YOU DON’T EVEN ATTEMPT TO GET INTO THE END ZONE? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! THIS GUY’S AN IMBECILE! MY GOD.


Its almost as if someone gave 1.5 hours of broadcast time to red.

[mraynrand]

Its almost as if someone gave 1.5 hours of broadcast time to red.

I heard 2+ hours of this on AM670 following the NO loss (driving back from Oakland game). It was glorious.

[run pMc]

In their defense (I can't believe I'm saying that), CHI had something like 16 plays in goal-to-go situations IN THE FIRST HALF and came away with 9 (!!!) points. That's offensive offense. We'd be screaming mad too.

Also, the Bears still suck.

[Gotarace]

Dan Hampton, Ed O’Bradovich, and Glen Kozlowski do a Bears post game show for WGN. They had some things to say about the recent missed FG.

https://wgnradio.com/2019/10/27/the-hamp-ob-show-with-koz-10-27-19-bears-vs-chargers-full-post-game-show/

Ed gets it going with a litany of complaints at 1:05 but I think we will all enjoy the replay of the TV broadcast for the final missed kick.
This is Broadcasting Gold...Love the Fire.

[Teamcheez1]

Ex-Packers coach Mike McCarthy preparing for NFL return by studying film, building staff

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-packers-coach-mike-mccarthy-preparing-for-nfl-return-by-studying-film-building-staff/

Per CBS:
McCarthy is all-in on head coaching next season and has been mostly in Green Bay breaking down the league on film with potential staff members and preparing for interview options. With fewer "hot coordinators" than usual, and with most of this year's rookie head coaches struggling mightily, some execs believe that established former head coaches are going to be in higher demand in 2020.

[Joemailman]

Ex-Packers coach Mike McCarthy preparing for NFL return by studying film, building staff

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-packers-coach-mike-mccarthy-preparing-for-nfl-return-by-studying-film-building-staff/

Per CBS:
McCarthy is all-in on head coaching next season and has been mostly in Green Bay breaking down the league on film with potential staff members and preparing for interview options. With fewer "hot coordinators" than usual, and with most of this year's rookie head coaches struggling mightily, some execs believe that established former head coaches are going to be in higher demand in 2020.

I just wonder if the demand for MM will be there. What the Packers are doing now offensively may just feed the narrative that the game had passed MM by a bit.

[pbmax]

Ex-Packers coach Mike McCarthy preparing for NFL return by studying film, building staff

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-packers-coach-mike-mccarthy-preparing-for-nfl-return-by-studying-film-building-staff/

Per CBS:
McCarthy is all-in on head coaching next season and has been mostly in Green Bay breaking down the league on film with potential staff members and preparing for interview options. With fewer "hot coordinators" than usual, and with most of this year's rookie head coaches struggling mightily, some execs believe that established former head coaches are going to be in higher demand in 2020.

At least 1/3 of the teams in the League, possibly as many as half, would be improved by McCarthy being hired.

[pbmax]

I just wonder if the demand for MM will be there. What the Packers are doing now offensively may just feed the narrative that the game had passed MM by a bit.

Healthy QB available to practice will answer most of that.

[Joemailman]

Healthy QB available to practice will answer most of that.

Trubisky?:satan:

[RashanGary]

I’m curious to see how MM might do if he got another chance.

[Joemailman]

I’m curious to see how MM might do if he got another chance.

I think a lot will depend on whether teams give him credit for developing Aaron Rodgers, or whether they feel a lot of his success was due to Aaron Rodgers.

[pbmax]

Teams that could use him:

NYJets
Washington
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Tennessee
Cleveland
LA Chargers
Denver
Chicago
Tampa
Jacksonville
Dallas

Never happen but should
Buffalo
Tennessee
Houston
Carolina
NY Giants

So Far Up In The Air I Have No Idea (but probably not since they are both first year)
Arizona
Miami

No Reason For It To Happen
GB
NE
SF
New Orleans
Seattle
KC
Baltimore
LA Rams
Philly
Pittsburgh (mostly inertia here)
Oakland
Indianapolis
Detroit

[pbmax]

Trubisky?:satan:

They probably won't be looking this year (one great year, one bad one, money left on deal) but it would make sense.

I would bet its a poor spot for him though as I don't think Trubisky has it in him. However, when down and facing great odds, he is at his best. Problem is his entire offense is structured around having at least equal or better talent.

[Joemailman]

They probably won't be looking this year (one great year, one bad one, money left on deal) but it would make sense.

I would bet its a poor spot for him though as I don't think Trubisky has it in him. However, when down and facing great odds, he is at his best. Problem is his entire offense is structured around having at least equal or better talent.

Gotta wonder the status of Bears GM. A lot of people in Chicago (not just O'Bradovich!) think drafting Trubisky and hiring Nagy were big mistakes. Every GM makes mistakes, but QB and coach you need to get right.

[pbmax]

Gotta wonder the status of Bears GM. A lot of people in Chicago (not just O'Bradovich!) think drafting Trubisky and hiring Nagy were big mistakes. Every GM makes mistakes, but QB and coach you need to get right.

Last year, Nagy seemed ideally suited for a limited QB and the defense was fine. They obviously miss Hicks this year.

I'd be concerned about him not adapting and not using Pubert's mobility. Also the disappearance of the run game. Very much an Andy Reid trait. I think you could work on these, but play callers can be stubborn.

If I was a Bears fan, I am more worried about the GM right now. But again, I think he is in the middle of a deal and they don't throw money out the window.

[run pMc]

I could see M3 coaching in WAS or CLE. Or maybe NYJ.

[pbmax]

Just brilliant.

MarkMaske @MarkMaske

The Redskins do not intend to pay Trent Williams while he's on the non-football injury list, source confirms, as first reported by @AdamSchefter and @FieldYates. It was the team's option with Williams on the NFI list. The decision can be challenged by Williams and the NFLPA.

Get cancer misdiagnosed for several years. Get cancer treated. Get not paid.

If I was an NFL player, I would groups together, some kinda union of players, and hire their own doctors.

[pbmax]

I could see M3 coaching in WAS or CLE. Or maybe NYJ.

I am rooting for him and Cleveland. But McCarthy in NY would be fantastic. I am sure the tabloids will love to be told they have a polluted mindset. :lol:

[Fritz]

Just brilliant.

MarkMaske @MarkMaske

The Redskins do not intend to pay Trent Williams while he's on the non-football injury list, source confirms, as first reported by @AdamSchefter and @FieldYates. It was the team's option with Williams on the NFI list. The decision can be challenged by Williams and the NFLPA.

Get cancer misdiagnosed for several years. Get cancer treated. Get not paid.

If I was an NFL player, I would groups together, some kinda union of players, and hire their own doctors.

If Williams can play next year, teams will be lining up to have a crack at him. Perhaps the Detroit GM, Bob Quinn, will throw bazillions of dollars at him, since Taylor Decker is merely okay and won't get a second contract in Detroit. If the Lions lose to Da Bears Sunday (though I don't think they will), there will be, officially, a tire fire in Detroit. Again. Or still.

[pbmax]

@RapSheet
The #Bears are waiving RB Mike Davis, one of their free agent signings this past spring, source said. They gave him $6M over 2 years, but cut him after just 11 carries in part because of how it helps them get a comp pick. He’ll be attractive on the waiver wire.


Someone is going to have to explain how they will collect a compensatory pick off a guy they waived mid season. Can that actually happen? Especially if he is signed again?

[Fritz]

I don't see how. I don't think it works that way, does it? I thought the system was designed to compensate you for guys you might wish you could keep but who leave to go elsewhere for more money...and if someone picks this guy up, they likely won't pay more than the Bears did.

If they get a comp pick for a guy they cut, the NFL is even more effed up than we thought.

[pbmax]

I don't see how. I don't think it works that way, does it? I thought the system was designed to compensate you for guys you might wish you could keep but who leave to go elsewhere for more money...and if someone picks this guy up, they likely won't pay more than the Bears did.

If they get a comp pick for a guy they cut, the NFL is even more effed up than we thought.

There is no way it happens if he is claimed. That contract would survive I believe.

[Fritz]

Oh, you're right. I had a brain fart there.

[run pMc]

I think the comp pick would be gained because of who they lost (Amos et al.)? Presumably the comp pick calculations assume players signed have to stay on the roster for so many weeks...

[ThunderDan]

@RapSheet
The #Bears are waiving RB Mike Davis, one of their free agent signings this past spring, source said. They gave him $6M over 2 years, but cut him after just 11 carries in part because of how it helps them get a comp pick. He’ll be attractive on the waiver wire.


Someone is going to have to explain how they will collect a compensatory pick off a guy they waived mid season. Can that actually happen? Especially if he is signed again?

Aren’t comp picks based on who you lost verses who you signed? By getting rid of Davis maybe they don’t get the offset against losing Amos.

Just a hypothesis.

[pbmax]

Aren’t comp picks based on who you lost verses who you signed? By getting rid of Davis maybe they don’t get the offset against losing Amos.

Just a hypothesis.

Could be.

[red]

Just brilliant.

MarkMaske @MarkMaske

The Redskins do not intend to pay Trent Williams while he's on the non-football injury list, source confirms, as first reported by @AdamSchefter and @FieldYates. It was the team's option with Williams on the NFI list. The decision can be challenged by Williams and the NFLPA.

Get cancer misdiagnosed for several years. Get cancer treated. Get not paid.

If I was an NFL player, I would groups together, some kinda union of players, and hire their own doctors.

after this whole mess i seriously have no clue how any player could go to the redskins

the redskins are in the wrong here, and instead of fessing up and trying to right the wrong, they've gone nuclear on the player they've been screwing over for years

[red]

Aren’t comp picks based on who you lost verses who you signed? By getting rid of Davis maybe they don’t get the offset against losing Amos.

Just a hypothesis.

no, comp picks are offset by who you sign

looks like if you lose a guy that signs for 10 million a year, but sign 2 guys that make 5 million each, they would all cancel each other out

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

actually i have no clue what cancels what out, from that chart, but it does show that players signed cancel out players lost

[pbmax]

no, comp picks are offset by who you sign

looks like if you lose a guy that signs for 10 million a year, but sign 2 guys that make 5 million each, they would all cancel each other out

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

actually i have no clue what cancels what out, from that chart, but it does show that players signed cancel out players lost

Losses - signings is generally the operating principle.

But the question is what happens to a signed player who is released mid-season.

[mraynrand]

Losses - signings is generally the operating principle.

But the question is what happens to a signed player who is released mid-season.

There got to be a cutoff for minimum games/plays, no? Traveling. Not gonna look it up

[pbmax]

There got to be a cutoff for minimum games/plays, no? Traveling. Not gonna look it up

I'm not either. Just going to rant about the Bears trying to be smart after being dumb.

[Zool]

I believe it’s 8 games served. If the Bears cut the RB they signed before tomorrow, they would gain some on the comp side.

[red]

I'm not either. Just going to rant about the Bears trying to be smart after being dumb.

i think this is the second time in about a week i've heard of a team doing this, so it must be a thing

unless i just heard about this story twice

[mraynrand]

Can Packers cut Gary and get their #12 pick back?

[pbmax]

Can Packers cut Gary and get their #12 pick back?

Hasn't worked since Ryan Leaf.

[Joemailman]

Can Packers cut Gary and get their #12 pick back?

No because Packers have gone from 2 losing seasons to 7-2 with #Baconator.

[pbmax]

No because Packers have gone from 2 losing seasons to 7-2 with #Baconator.

I knew Ted was on to something.

[pbmax]

Browns may already have hired Mike McCarthy.


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1193518822642216960/RdzE1Wk0?format=jpg&name=small


Browns analytics department suggested Vikings OC: https://t.co/5m2t6fgDJl?amp=1

[pbmax]

Rand might know more, but that article is a great example of how the football operations department (outside of analytics) can absorb a piece of information (Kitchens worked well with Mayfield) and then screw it up.

I am sure there was a swell of support for Kitchens inside and outside Browns Berea offices. If you wanted to increase pressure on yourself, you dump Freddie and hire someone else.

So they hire Freddie but allow the QB coach to walk (in hindsight everyone is suggesting this guy was responsible for the improvement all along). And if I am not mistaken, instead of rolling with the old playbook, they installed a different one.

Smooth. All for a guy who had never been a coordinator.

[pbmax]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-originally-tried-to-send-reshad-jones-to-steelers-before-agreeing-to-minkah-fitzpatrick-trade/

Dolphins traded Minkah Fitzpatrick to the Steelers. And it seems to have been all about the role own defense. And it seems to have worked out for both teams. Flores wanted him in the Patrick Chung role, close to the box.

In the case of MF or Josh Jones or Steelers version of Morgan Burnett, they didn't want to be in the box safeties. They wanted to be the FS or the robber, jumping routes and making plays on the ball. At least, I suspect that was the case with Jones, he never really clarified other than a general complaint about his use.

Kinda wonder if that played a role in Burnett leaving GB too.

Flores is a long way from succeeding, but Belichick won't keep a player who won't fill the role. Greg Popovich wouldn't do it in San Antonio with the Spurs.

I am on record that you need to keep talent on hand and that means playing the talent in a way that utilizes their best attributes. But I suspect that also means if the player is unwilling, you also have to move on.

Still think in retrospect they should have kept Hyde and Hayward.

[pbmax]

Remember some guys! Wendell Davis? David Little? Its the 89 Steelers-Bears game opening plays.

https://twitter.com/steelcitystar/status/1193318602310471681

[Joemailman]

Remember some guys! Wendell Davis? David Little? Its the 89 Steelers-Bears game opening plays.

https://twitter.com/steelcitystar/status/1193318602310471681

I cringe when I hear the name Wendell Davis. In 1993 he simultaneously tore the patellar tendons in both knees when his cleats stuck in that terrible artificial turf in Philadelphia. I know he considered filing a lawsuit. Not sure if he went through with it. If not, he should have.

[Patler]

I believe it’s 8 games served. If the Bears cut the RB they signed before tomorrow, they would gain some on the comp side.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I know years back that was not the case. A small (very small) component of the compensation calculation was actual performance, so cutting a player might change compensation by a round, or position in a round, but not a lot. I'm not surprised if that has changed.

I wonder if this also changes the compensation calculation for the team that "lost" the player as a free agent. Is he considered like a player who doesn't sign a free agent contract?

I wonder what the impact would be if a signed free agent misses his first year on IR?

[mraynrand]

Flores is a long way from succeeding, but Belichick won't keep a player who won't fill the role. Greg Popovich wouldn't do it in San Antonio with the Spurs.

If Belichick were in Cleveland again the first guy he would trade would be Haslem.

[Zool]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I know years back that was not the case. A small (very small) component of the compensation calculation was actual performance, so cutting a player might change compensation by a round, or position in a round, but not a lot. I'm not surprised if that has changed.

I wonder if this also changes the compensation calculation for the team that "lost" the player as a free agent. Is he considered like a player who doesn't sign a free agent contract?

I wonder what the impact would be if a signed free agent misses his first year on IR?

I had no idea until earlier this week when I read an article about how the Bears should cut the guy because he’s had 8 plays from scrimmage all season.

Edit: found it.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/05/bears-should-cut-running-back-mike-davis/

[pbmax]

If Belichick were in Cleveland again the first guy he would trade would be Haslem.

Might like a fellow cheat?

[pbmax]

Wt

[Patler]

On free agency compensation:


In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1 , he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.

[Joemailman]

Colin Kaepernick
✔
@Kaepernick7
I’m just getting word from my representatives that the NFL league office reached out to them about a workout in Atlanta on Saturday. I’ve been in shape and ready for this for 3 years, can’t wait to see the head coaches and GMs on Saturday.

139K
6:45 PM - Nov 12, 2019


Kaepernick's workout will include on-field work and an interview. Video of the workout and interview will be made available to all 32 teams, as well.

Several teams have inquired to Kaepernick's readiness to play football, and Kaepernick and his representatives have expressed his desire to return to the NFL. The league has discussed possible steps with Kaepernick's camp, which emphasized that he is ready to work out for and be interviewed by NFL teams.

NFL Network's Steve Wyche reports, per league sources, that Kaepernick's workout will be run by scouting combine personnel and former NFL coaches. Any teams on hand can also hold interviews with Kaepernick, per Wyche..

[pbmax]

Mike Freeman
NFC West team official on the Kaepernick workout this weekend: “This entire thing is a sham. The NFL is full of shit. It’s a show. But he should do it because some of us are sincere. Some of us see him for what he is: a good man.”

[pbmax]

Tyler Tynes
From a source with knowledge of the situation re: Kaepernick’s workout with NFL teams Saturday:

Out of the blue, league representatives from the league & their management council reached out to reps for Kaepernick + said they wanted to arrange a workout in front of the 32 teams

[pbmax]

Tyler Tynes
Kap’s representatives were told that the NFL needed an answer “in two hours” if Kaepernick planned to go through with the workout. A lot of people had to rearrange their schedules. They thought it conflicted with college football scouting schedules and NFL Sunday game day prep

[pbmax]

“It didn’t make a whole lot of sense” the source told me about the process. Kaepernick’s team asked if the workout could be done the following Tuesday or following Saturday. They were told it had to be this Saturday. “It didn’t seem tethered to anything,” the source said.


Kaepernick’s representatives made it clear that if the process was legitimate, and the key decision makers from all 32 teams were there then he would participate in the process. They asked that a personnel list be provided and the NFL they would get it to them on a rolling basis


The expectation is tomorrow & the coming days Kaepernick will get the lists form the NFL. The expectation, per the source, is that there will be reps from every team present. Source says there been no prior communications between Kaepernick & the league before this moment

[pbmax]

The management council being involved is the give away. It’s likely CBA related.

[pbmax]

Its the damn Keystone Cops every time.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
After initially agreeing to provide the list of personnel executives and coaches that would attend Colin Kaepernick’s workout, the NFL has reversed course and said it will not, per sources.

@AdamSchefter
Several executives with teams have reached out as a courtesy to Colin Kaepernick’s representatives saying they couldn’t attend Saturday’s workout and were confused by the purpose of the NFL scheduling this workout.

[QBME]

Its the damn Keystone Cops every time.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
After initially agreeing to provide the list of personnel executives and coaches that would attend Colin Kaepernick’s workout, the NFL has reversed course and said it will not, per sources.

@AdamSchefter
Several executives with teams have reached out as a courtesy to Colin Kaepernick’s representatives saying they couldn’t attend Saturday’s workout and were confused by the purpose of the NFL scheduling this workout.

Follow the money.

[Teamcheez1]

As long as he's not on the Packers, I could care less what he does.

He wants to start or have starter's money. Never going to happen.

[QBME]

As long as he's not on the Packers, I could care less what he does.

He wants to start or have starter's money. Never going to happen.

Not about a contract or contract money.

Something bigger afoot.

[pbmax]

Not about a contract or contract money.

Something bigger afoot.

Management Council means CBA. And not providing a list of teams and people attending means no on wants to be on record either way.

[pbmax]

As long as he's not on the Packers, I could care less what he does.

He wants to start or have starter's money. Never going to happen.

Going to be hard to know if he should start if no one works him out.

[run pMc]

I think he should get a fair shot at a tryout. The league is littered with players who have done worse than take a knee to protest racial injustice.

I agree it's a sham though..such short notice sure makes it look like a poor attempt to prove he had a tryout but nobody was interested in showing up or signing him.

[texaspackerbacker]

It wouldn't bother me if the Packers got him - if they got him cheap anyway. The bad shit is fading in the past, and as long as he didn't bring it back up himself, what's past is past. If the Packers (or anybody) just used him the way the Niners used him when he was a second stringer, he'd be a good addition - run some wildcat with a bigger threat to pass from it than when RBs run it.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think he should get a fair shot at a tryout. The league is littered with players who have done worse than take a knee to protest racial injustice.

I agree it's a sham though..such short notice sure makes it look like a poor attempt to prove he had a tryout but nobody was interested in showing up or signing him.

Hence they want it on a Saturday when teams are travelling, or prepping last minute gameplan stuff. So there's no real decision maker is going to be there. Plus, this late in a season? Seriously, what the hell?

[pbmax]

RapSheet
Former #Browns coach Hue Jackson will lead the drills during Colin Kaepernick’s workout, source said. Joe Philbin will also be in attendance. 11 teams have already committed to attend. With two days remaining until the workout, the league expects additional teams to commit.

If you are Colin, you have to runaway if you lay eyes on the Jets or Dolphins.

I’m going to regret saying this, but he should go to the Bears.

[pbmax]

Adam “Disney+ Shill” Schefter
NFL said 11 teams — Arizona, Atlanta, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, Miami, New England, NY Giants, NY Jets, Tampa Bay, Washington — already have committed to attend the Saturday workout that the league scheduled for Colin Kaepernick, “and it’s only Thursday”, per the league.

[George Cumby]

Let the dude play if he's able. FFS.

[Zool]

Let the dude play if he's able. FFS.

But he knelt!? He's basically HitlerSatan.

Remember when the teams didn't even come out of the tunnel until after the anthem?

[Joemailman]

But he knelt!? He's basically HitlerSatan.

Remember when the teams didn't even come out of the tunnel until after the anthem?

And there's no video of it because the network televising the game was running another beer commercial during the national anthem. As they usually do. The hypocrisy of this was always overwhelming.

[SudsMcBucky]

Let the dude play if he's able. FFS.

I'm sure there were at least a couple teams that didn't sign him after 2016 because of his kneeling, but I think people are starting to make a legend out of something much less. Let's face it, his last couple years as a starter were NOT great. Then think about some other factors. How many teams in 2017 run an offense that could utilize his skillset. On top of that, people tried to sign him to a backup role, but he demanded starter dollars, and if i recall correctly, pretty hefty starter dollars at that. All I'm saying, is there is at least some culpability on both CK and a few teams as to why he's not been in the league.

[pbmax]

I'm sure there were at least a couple teams that didn't sign him after 2016 because of his kneeling, but I think people are starting to make a legend out of something much less. Let's face it, his last couple years as a starter were NOT great. Then think about some other factors. How many teams in 2017 run an offense that could utilize his skillset. On top of that, people tried to sign him to a backup role, but he demanded starter dollars, and if i recall correctly, pretty hefty starter dollars at that. All I'm saying, is there is at least some culpability on both CK and a few teams as to why he's not been in the league.

There are so many terrible QBs playing right now, CK could have had his arm fall off and sewn back on by a monkey and still play better. At least in 2017 he could.

The 49ers were bad with any QB starting. If Blaine Gabbert can still play in the League, this guy should be able to. But two years out is 2 years out. Will need to shake off rust.

[Zool]

I'm sure there were at least a couple teams that didn't sign him after 2016 because of his kneeling, but I think people are starting to make a legend out of something much less. Let's face it, his last couple years as a starter were NOT great. Then think about some other factors. How many teams in 2017 run an offense that could utilize his skillset. On top of that, people tried to sign him to a backup role, but he demanded starter dollars, and if i recall correctly, pretty hefty starter dollars at that. All I'm saying, is there is at least some culpability on both CK and a few teams as to why he's not been in the league.

If he want's too much money, I could see teams not bothering. If he's willing to sign for near the vet minimum, then it's BS. Not that anyone on either side would ever tell the truth, but the narrative is really stupid.

[pbmax]

Dan Patrick Show @dpshow
"I have been in touch with other well-placed sources who say that any Jay-Z narrative seems like another distraction to take away from the opportunity facilitated by the NFL for Colin Kaepernick." -Dan.

I don't even know what this Tweet is supposed to be debunking.

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe he will give the Packers a discount since they made his ass famous in the first place.

[Joemailman]

Maybe he will give the Packers a discount since they made his ass famous in the first place.

579!!!

[Joemailman]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28088983/sources-24-teams-attend-colin-kaepernick-workout


The NFL previously said 11 teams were committed to attend: the Arizona Cardinals, Atlanta Falcons, Cleveland Browns, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Giants, New York Jets, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Washington Redskins. The league expected additional teams to commit.

Sources told ESPN that the Seattle Seahawks and Kaepernick's former team, the San Francisco 49ers, will attend. Sources had also told ESPN that the Dallas Cowboys will go, but owner Jerry Jones said on 105.3 The Fan in Dallas that his team will not have a representative at the workout.

The league reiterated that it will send video of the workout and an interview with Kaepernick to all 32 teams.

[pbmax]

Colin Kaepernick workout went to shit. Seems like it always would.

NFL wouldn’t say what receivers he was working out with. Had previously refused to confirm attendees. Also wouldn’t agree to give him a copy of entire of video workout or release it publicly.

Also asked him to sign non standard injury waiver rather than one teams use for in season workouts.

So he staged a private workout at a high school field with his own receivers.

8 teams attended. NFL, after being very coy about it said 25 would have been at their workout. NFL also said it didn’t know what to do with last minute demands.

[pbmax]

Charles Robinson
A few things triggered the move of the Kaepernick workout:

1.) There was a significant problem with the type of waiver #NFL requested. Kaepernick agreed to sign a normal Pro Day injury waiver. NFL asked for a more complex waiver with clauses about non-guarantees of employment.

2.) Kaepernick’s camp requested to tape the workout alongside the #NFL’s crew. They didn’t trust the NFL being the only ones with the tape. Kaepernick wanted it taped and released in its entirety to teams and the public after the workout. The NFL refused to allow them to tape it.

[pbmax]

3.) When #NFL refused to allow Kaepernick to tape the workout and control their own copy, Kaepernick asked that media be allowed into the workout to view/record the session. NFL said no. That’s when Kaepernick felt the league refused to be transparent and asked to change venues.

4.) It’s now up to the #NFL teams to decide if they want their reps to relocate to the new venue. They have been invited on-site in Flowery Branch. The new location will also make it far easier for teams to access the local airport, meaning NFL reps can attend and easily fly out.

[pbmax]

Jim Trotter
Unpopular take: There’s fault on both sides. The NFL never should have announced this workout until ALL the details were final and agreed to. And Colin has to accept that he can’t call every shot. Right or wrong, the NFL is - and always will be - bigger than one player.

Jim misses a big point. The NFL knows this and so does Kap. So why did the NFL schedule it anyway?

Michael Lombardi
Kap proved today what we all know that he belongs in the NFL. He also proved he is way different than any other backup. Today we learned nothing more than we knew yesterday.

Well I must be wrong because I am agreeing with this idiot.

[pbmax]

Andrew Brandt with rare non Rodgers or Favre story.

Every NFL team has had three years to have a private workout with Kaepernick. And we’re to believe now they’ll have interest because the NFL hastily sets up a workout for all? Please. This never made any sense.

[pbmax]

ESPN
The change in venue interrupted schedules for many of the 25 teams that were scheduled to watch Kaepernick at the original site, but Kaepernick still threw in front of representatives from eight teams, according to Nalley -- among them the Philadelphia Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Washington Redskins, San Francisco 49ers, Detroit Lions, and Tennessee Titans.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28095462/colin-kaepernick-throws-passes-40-minutes-workout-urges-nfl-stop-running

[pbmax]

So remember all the shade being thrown at the Cardinals for taking Murray and pairing him up with unknown Kliff Kingsbury?

Working in Year 1. Big test remains for year 2 after people adjust.

Aaron Schatz @FO_ASchatz
Arizona has now moved up to No. 9 in offensive DVOA after being one of the worst offenses in league history last season. Remarkable

[Cheesehead Craig]

So remember all the shade being thrown at the Cardinals for taking Murray and pairing him up with unknown Kliff Kingsbury?

Working in Year 1. Big test remains for year 2 after people adjust.

Aaron Schatz @FO_ASchatz
Arizona has now moved up to No. 9 in offensive DVOA after being one of the worst offenses in league history last season. Remarkable

Kyler Murray >>>>>>>>>> Josh Rosen

The defense is the only thing holding this team back.

[pbmax]

Will Brinson @WillBrinson
Teams trailing by 20+ points at halftime are 0-99 over the last five seasons.
The Vikings are simultaneously trying to make it 1-99 and 0-100.

Minnesota Vikings @Vikings
1-99


Kiss of Death.

[Joemailman]

Will Brinson @WillBrinson
Teams trailing by 20+ points at halftime are 0-99 over the last five seasons.
The Vikings are simultaneously trying to make it 1-99 and 0-100.

Minnesota Vikings @Vikings
1-99


Kiss of Death.

https://www.packers.com/news/inbox-the-outcome-felt-inevitable


Darren from Oklahoma City, OK

Stoopid Broncos!


When Denver blew the chance to add to the lead just before halftime, and then allowed a Minnesota TD to open the second half, the outcome felt inevitable to me.

Exactly how I felt. When the Vikings made it 20-7, I figured they were gonne win.

[pbmax]

League research indicated neither the Rams nor the Chargers had an overwhelming reservoir of support in the L.A. region, with fewer local fans than the Patriots, Steelers, Packers, Cowboys and even the Raiders, according to some team and league studies.

If the markets were working, idiots who went along with this plan would be slowly, but certainly, going out of business.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28117460/inside-rams-chargers-marriage-nfl-fights-los-angeles

[George Cumby]

Why'd the Rams leave for St. Louis, again?

[Guiness]

Charles Robinson

2.) Kaepernick’s camp requested to tape the workout alongside the #NFL’s crew. They didn’t trust the NFL being the only ones with the tape. Kaepernick wanted it taped and released in its entirety to teams and the public after the workout. The NFL refused to allow them to tape it.

Didn't the NFL claim they told him Nike could shoot a commercial. Nike claims they didn't have a crew there and didn't ask. Kaepernick said he wanted an independent crew there and was denied.

All these things can't be true, can they? I need a Venn diagram

[pbmax]

Didn't the NFL claim they told him Nike could shoot a commercial. Nike claims they didn't have a crew there and didn't ask. Kaepernick said he wanted an independent crew there and was denied.

All these things can't be true, can they? I need a Venn diagram

Haven't seen that. Sounds more like a taunt.

[pbmax]

RapSheet
#Steelers QB Mason Rudolph has been fined $50,000 for his role in the #Browns -#Steelers fight last Thursday, source said. Other players will be and have been fined, including those who left the bench area.

If this is the price, let’s take up a collection and have a Packer kick Golden Tate.

[Joemailman]

That's a pretty hefty fine. About 8% of his base salary.

[pbmax]

That's a pretty hefty fine. About 8% of his base salary.

So you are saying it’s going to cost more to get Tate.

[pbmax]

Field Yates @FieldYates
The Raiders have waived WR Trevor Davis, per source. He was acquired via a trade from the Packers earlier this season.

Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski
The #Raiders have traded two thirds, two fifths and a sixth for a combined 39 catches by Martavis Bryant, Antonio Brown, Zay Jones and Trevor Davis the last two years.

THEY DID HAVE A PHENOMENAL DRAFT THIS YEAR THOUGH

[TravisWilliams23]

Watched bits of that KC - Oak game. Raiders had a 4th an short at about the KC 30. The play was a jet sweep to Davis who tried to take it outside. If he plants and head up, he probably makes the yard. Also a fumbled kickoff didn't help his cause. Chucky didn't look pleased on the sideline but I don't know if it was the play call or Davis not cutting it up field.

[pbmax]

He's a bit of a shouter on ESPN (or wherever he is located these days) but Orlovsky usually gives good breakdowns.

How a WR round off after the cut (also could be foot stumble) costs the Pats 7.

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1201942099299635201

[Joemailman]

Ron Rivera fired by Carolina. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001083687/article/carolina-panthers-fire-head-coach-ron-rivera Wouldn't be surprised if the GM goes too.

[pbmax]

Mike McCarthy and Cam Newton!

[Joemailman]

Mike McCarthy and Cam Newton!

I don't think Newton will be there either. Would McCarthy think Kyle Allen is worth developing?

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001083603/article/jerry-jones-jason-garrett-will-coach-in-nfl-next-year


"Nobody has the exclusive skills to get the job done so that collectively you can win a Super Bowl," Jones said, per The Athletic. "But there are qualified people. Jason Garrett is one of them. In my opinion, Jason Garrett will be coaching in the NFL next year."

Must be great to have an owner who won't stop creating distractions.

[pbmax]

Wow. Now we know why all those cranky white college coaches ran all those option offenses in college. :shock:


BRADENTON, Fla. -- After the San Francisco 49ers suspended radio color analyst Tim Ryan for a game for saying Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson's dark skin helps him disguise a dark football when running fake handoffs in Baltimore's zone-read-heavy offense, he apologized to players and members of the organization at the team's hotel here in Bradenton.

Those apologies were apparently well-received by Niners players who spoke to the media on Thursday afternoon for the first time since Ryan's comments went public.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28232159/radio-analyst-tim-ryan-apologizes-49ers-players-lamar-jackson-comments

[pbmax]

You can debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I want to know how many ways Jerry Jones can say "I think we can still make the playoffs but something has to get fixed first".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28234482/jerry-jones-questioning-lack-success-3rd-consecutive-loss


"These guys are mentally OK for me, and all these guys are talented enough for me, so that's good," Jones said. "I'm questioning how to put together a coordinated one that complements each other, how to put together a team that can win a football game. ... We're not collectively getting together as a team and doing the things it takes to win ballgames."

Sounds like he is describing, a coach?

[MadtownPacker]

Sounds like Jerry is sharpening the guillotine for anything less than a SB appearance.

[KYPack]

Sounds like Jerry is sharpening the guillotine for anything less than a SB appearance.

There was a weird blurb on local radio today. An announcer said that Jason Garret was fired by JJ after the game. It made sense but I looked here and on PFT and saw zip. The station said nothing bc there was no announcement to reference. Jones had a strange presser this am, but nothing has come out as yet.

As bad as the Cowpukes are doing, they are still in line for the play-offs.

Garrett should be canned, The Boyz are under performing like crazy.

[George Cumby]

Running errands in Fresno today so listening to NFL on Sirius. Cowpukes fans are losing their minds blaming everyone from Jones to Garrett to the players to the ball boy for their teams woes.

It’s Delicious.