Packers hiring LaFleur.

[Rutnstrut]

Per NFL network, he is the new coach.

[QBME]

Per NFL network, he is the new coach.

Just heard it on the Chicago AM sports radio station on the way home.

Now we have two unimpeachable sources. :-):roll:;-)

[QBME]

BTW, sounds like a Canadian hockey player - Woody what you know???

[pbmax]

THIRD!

Adam Schefter
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Packers are zeroing in on hiring Titans' OC Matt LaFleur as their HC, sources tell @RobDemovsky and me . Packers have begun notifying other HC candidates that they've interviewed that they're out and the team has made its choice.

[pbmax]

Demovsky also on board.

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Jason Wilde Retweeted Adam Schefter
Not that @AdamSchefter and @RobDemovsky need me to confirm this, but -- hand to God -- I was just texting Rob if he'd heard that the #Packers were planning to hire LaFleur. Rob can vouch for this. :)

[pbmax]

Philbin will be gone unless he wants to coach O line.

Pettine is good bet to stay I would imagine.

[red]

so a 39 year old QB coach to HC the whole team

yeah, rodgers is gonna walk all over him

he's called plays for exactly one season

[QBME]

Pettine is good bet to stay I would imagine.

I really hope so. I'm not well versed in X's & O's, but it sure looked like he did well with the pieces he had.

[red]

didn't we just hear yesterday that the job was mcdaniels if he wanted it?

guess he didn't want it

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
They're working on finalizing a deal. This also is expected to help keep Mike Pettine and the defensive staff intact, I'm told.

[red]

i don't like the signing at all right now

hope i'm wrong

[pbmax]

didn't we just hear yesterday that the job was mcdaniels if he wanted it?

guess he didn't want it

They guy reporting that is mostly likely a facebook idiot.

[red]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
They're working on finalizing a deal. This also is expected to help keep Mike Pettine and the defensive staff intact, I'm told.

pettine can stay, not sure about the rest of the defensive staff

[pbmax]

I really hope so. I'm not well versed in X's & O's, but it sure looked like he did well with the pieces he had.

My only concern is with secondary play and personnel. Would love them to emphasize more zone (not all the time but mix) to enable Josh Jackson to contribute. But that is the only complaint so far.

[pbmax]

pettine can stay, not sure about the rest of the defensive staff

Keep Whitt. I think Montgomery on the D line was OK. Unless he was kneecapping players in their sleep.

They need a LB coach anyway.

[Tony Oday]

Feels like the Ray Rhodes hire...

[red]

it was weird trying to get use to the idea that all the players were now younger then me, now the fucking head coach is younger then me

damn kids

[red]

so, the guy was the OC for the titans this year

titans offense sucked this year

[Teamcheez1]

i don't like the signing at all right now

hope i'm wrong

Did you like the MM hire at the time?

[Packers4Glory]

so, the guy was the OC for the titans this year

titans offense sucked this year

Of all the reasons I’m not big on this move this is at the bottom of the list. QB situation is messed up there.

My feeling is he’s not ready for this just yet.

[ND72]

I called that weeks ago.

[Sparkey]

Love the hire.

[Joemailman]

so, the guy was the OC for the titans this year

titans offense sucked this year

49ers offense sucked the year MM was OC there. Talent matters.

[red]

Did you like the MM hire at the time?

i did not, because he didn't have a stellar track record as OC

and i was right. it just took 12 years or so to others to realise he sucked

[red]

49ers offense sucked the year MM was OC there. Talent matters.

and he sucked as a HC

[red]

ok, turns out he went to the same school i did during the same time

i might have played some pickup games against him out at the athletic fields

[Joemailman]

and he sucked as a HC

If you ignore winning a Super Bowl.

LaFleur, Monken and Bieniemy were my 3 favorites. Hope Murphy got the right one.

[Joemailman]

ok, turns out he went to the same school i did during the same time

i might have played some pickup games against him out at the athletic fields

Plus, in 2003 he played for the Omaha Beef of the National Indoor Football League.

[pbmax]

Feels like the Ray Rhodes hire...

How??

You mean keeping the coaching team together?

Pettine has better track record than Sherm lewis did. Rhodes and Emmit Thomas were excellent D coaches caught in a bad year.

Or do you mean, never meant to be a head coach kind of guy?

[pbmax]

I will pay $5 for a reporter to ask if he is considering changing his name to Mike.

[Joemailman]

I will pay $5 for a reporter to ask if he is considering changing his name to Mike.

Cleft Crusty would probably do it for $1.50.

[pbmax]

So not like the Holmgren hire.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Can confirm that the #Packers are working on hiring #Titans offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur, who interviewed on Sunday and apparently did a great job. The #Packers were the only team to interview LaFleur.

[red]

ok, turns out he went to the same school i did during the same time

i might have played some pickup games against him out at the athletic fields

old roomates wife knows him

time to kiss ass and get tickets

[red]

I will pay $5 for a reporter to ask if he is considering changing his name to Mike.

can we still call him m4?

[pbmax]

Asked about the hire if you are a Packer fan:

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier
I think I would approach it the way I did when the Eagles replaced Andy Reid with Chip Kelly: a mixture of cautious enthusiasm and creeping dread.
(Also how I face most mornings)


For the record, I am in favor of this. New blood. If he hires an OC and gives him play calling I will give him a crown.

[pbmax]

can we still call him m4?

I think we have to. I can't afford to type four letters when two will do.

[red]

If you ignore winning a Super Bowl.

LaFleur, Monken and Bieniemy were my 3 favorites. Hope Murphy got the right one.

he was handed a HOF QB and given a HOF CB togo with a damn good defense that year

it was a fart in the wind

[pbmax]

he was handed a HOF QB and given a HOF CB togo with a damn good defense that year

it was a fart in the wind

C'mon. The odds with those two things on a team are still below 25%. He did it, he deserves the credit.

[Fosco33]

Guess we can call him M4?

We completed an exhaustive process of speaking to guys named Mike, Marshall, Mort, Mark, Mason... and settled on Matt.

[red]

so at 39, what kind of coaches can he bring it to fill in the holes?

he hasn't spent a lot of time in a lot of places to get to know guys

hell, he was assistant coaching at northern michigan a decade ago

know who else coached at northern? mooch

anyways, what kind of guys can he bring with him?

[Joemailman]

so at 29, what kind of coaches can he bring it to fill in the holes?

he hasn't spent a lot of time in a lot of places to get to know guys

hell, he was assistant coaching at northern michigan a decade ago

know who else coached at northern? mooch

anyways, what kind of guys can he bring with him?He's been with both Shanahan and McVay.


Houston Texans
LaFleur then was hired in 2008 by the Houston Texans to serve as an offensive assistant. He assisted both wide receivers and quarterbacks during his two-year stint there and developed a close relationship with coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

Washington Redskins
When Shanahan's father Mike was hired by the Redskins, Kyle brought LaFleur to Washington to coach the quarterbacks.[2] A primary responsibility of LaFleur's for the 2012 season was to mentor rookie quarterbacks Robert Griffin III and Kirk Cousins, whom LaFleur was particularly fond of.[3]

Atlanta Falcons
On February 5, 2015, LaFleur was hired to be the Quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons working under offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, whom he previously had worked under when with the Washington Redskins. Matt's brother, Mike, was the offensive assistant with the Falcons as well.[4]

In the 2016 season, Matt helped coach Matt Ryan to winning the league MVP. LaFleur and the Falcons also reached Super Bowl LI, where they faced the New England Patriots on February 5, 2017. In the Super Bowl, the Falcons fell in a 34–28 overtime defeat.[5]

Los Angeles Rams
On February 8, 2017, LaFleur joined the Los Angeles Rams coaching staff as the offensive coordinator, working under Head Coach Sean McVay, whom he previously had worked with during his tenure with the Washington Redskins.[6]

Tennessee Titans
On January 30, 2018, LaFleur left his position with the Rams to take the same position with the Tennessee Titans.[7] Joining new head coach Mike Vrabel, LaFleur had the opportunity of calling the plays for the Titans, essentially being a promotion from his former position as offensive coordinator with the Rams.

Green Bay Packers
On January 7, 2019, it was announced that the Green Bay Packers would hire LaFleur to fill their head coaching vacancy. This is LaFleur's first head coaching position.

[red]

so hold up. matt has a brother named mike?

why the fuck didn't we hire that one?

[Iron Mike]

Hmmmm, LaFleur's from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree, so I guess we're back to OL zone blocking scheme. Anyone know what Larry Beichtol or Jeff Jagodzinski is up to??

[pbmax]

Hmmmm, LaFleur's from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree, so I guess we're back to OL zone blocking scheme. Anyone know what Larry Beichtol or Jeff Jagodzinski is up to??

If Jeff Jags ends up back here I am going back to the pitchforks and effigy plan.

[pbmax]

Just think of all the GIFs and memes we can now use ironically!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/76/762b59a01f7833b69e8ed008198152daf66af11f27d49b25f3 ae37721bc89d8d.jpg

[Fosco33]

If we could keep pettine and get Zac taylor as oc...

[red]

If we could keep pettine and get Zac taylor as oc...

no

he would probably want the team to give his father in law a job

[ND72]

If we could keep pettine and get Zac taylor as oc...

He plans to keep Pettine and defensive staff (which I'm a bit worried about with all but Pettine)

[Fosco33]

no

he would probably want the team to give his father in law a job
M2... he’ll just fall asleep.

M4 and Zac and Mike P...

Anyone else want a Guy lafleur jersey?

[Joemailman]

He plans to keep Pettine and defensive staff (which I'm a bit worried about with all but Pettine)

I thought Montgomery did a good job with the D-Line considering the injuries. The rest I don't care about.

[Iron Mike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFRTUHwkUyo

[Joemailman]

Just think of all the GIFs and memes we can now use ironically!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/76/762b59a01f7833b69e8ed008198152daf66af11f27d49b25f3 ae37721bc89d8d.jpg

Rodgers discussing game plans with LaFleur:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/coYo4nM8jE1TW/200.gif?cid=3640f6095c268d664863612e59b35670

[denverYooper]

Asked about the hire if you are a Packer fan:

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier
I think I would approach it the way I did when the Eagles replaced Andy Reid with Chip Kelly: a mixture of cautious enthusiasm and creeping dread.
(Also how I face most mornings)


For the record, I am in favor of this. New blood. If he hires an OC and gives him play calling I will give him a crown.

I like it too. I think it's a good shot at a potential good young offensive mind.

There is risk for a first-time HC but I don't think Kelly is the best comp. He didn't have the NFL experience that LaFleur did. Joe's post lines out a pretty good looking history of QB tutelage as well as several years with the Shanahan clan, which has been a pretty fertile tree.

Kelly also wanted a lot of control over the personnel. Indications are that will not be the case with LaFleur.

[denverYooper]

Saw on Twitter, can't find the original source:

Packers Have a Type:
Mike Holmgren (43) 2 sseasons as OC (San Fransisco)
Mike Sherman (46) 1 season as OC (Seattle)
Mike McCarthy (42) 1 season as OC (San Fransisco)

Ray Rhodes did not count...

[denverYooper]

M4's wikipedia page rn:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/M1FwpyFJPvPeDfz-pXGns-og60VGm0M2nSFjPalcePmC5YyK61cLCTWzxEVWC9_-4BC7MWffIb-bzGV871voKE6JBEJ0q2G8amGCgD4bE2UZDrBF5J-wvcv5Dc1OiN-O6xucyEF6PuBZtxb2tAF1MzYx6xe0Rnx0TNAs0AW4ZSIvyRY56 kU-0OdRukOuzmVTPD5znUGaD9t1zLH6NsFK-jdeuiXtuXBvQVNH1ODasp-9eu2l1bhQ7iol1YyESk4uqmg53W527p89YhjBfH6ZW-R9lkJiqaQrO4-YL_AKJp_uD4rpFiDZh1WsewXD8-Wej26rt6ezgwuXYE7Tpef6f2oK37XRBSiDvn_Iv3LSySNDAqY3 JPEO8LdjkkkTbqep2wbohY7MAn_71Xwo2pIICUbXuoSrkclHWx iQWFScu_wKgNXtWd8233uWWk6joEZeK__vBiFE8jJRImK6FdKP TDe8ppWLQ5zW-Z5Lz2YDIK4iZ-uf0xSD5i_cGi5IHI4BE8JJYGnAZ_xvzYoijCVheLXq2QixlX3M WRG3lEZ4E-T4z54ZhGLtMAND83NRtXviqg49uisUdwfpRhUQbfMwQA_gSHuX 1CV9u2n8o4wd9Ek2bf0koDnPQvea-z5a_3MwQj2ePr_coFAnetUTLM3A0hwi=w339-h347-no

[red]

I like it too. I think it's a good shot at a potential good young offensive mind.

There is risk for a first-time HC but I don't think Kelly is the best comp. He didn't have the NFL experience that LaFleur did. Joe's post lines out a pretty good looking history of QB tutelage as well as several years with the Shanahan clan, which has been a pretty fertile tree.

Kelly also wanted a lot of control over the personnel. Indications are that will not be the case with LaFleur.

i'd like to know what qualifies him to have a good offensive mind? working for other people with good offensive minds?

cause he's had the chance to run an offense 1 time in his career, last year, and it was a disaster

ok, he's good at tutoring QBs. thats about the last thing we need. we needed someone to kick our QB in the ass, not teach him how to call a play in the pros

[call_me_ishmael]

Sounds good, let’s do it.

[Joemailman]

i'd like to know what qualifies him to have a good offensive mind? working for other people with good offensive minds?

cause he's had the chance to run an offense 1 time in his career, last year, and it was a disaster

ok, he's good at tutoring QBs. thats about the last thing we need. we needed someone to kick our QB in the ass, not teach him how to call a play in the pros

Tennessee had no talent in the passing game. Their best player on offense is Derrick Henry, a running back. That doesn't work in the NFL. He probably should have stayed in LA where they had a top 10 offense his one year as OC there. In 2016 Matt Ryan won the league MVP at age 31 with LaFleur as his QB coach.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Murphy and Gutey took into consideration more than his ability to develop QB's.

[The Shadow]

If the Pack had hired Jim Caldwell, I would have blown my brains out imm.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, I said I wanted a low-ego kind of guy who won't rock the boat, just let Aaron Rodgers be Aaron Rodgers. I really don't know much about this guy; I get the impression nobody in here does. But based on his age, his experience level, etc., I'm hopeful he fits the bill - a fairly cerebral type who will basically pass pass pass, given the make up of the team and maybe inject some creativity into the pass routes and pre-snap action. I also hope he brings in a decent O Line coach.

[Bretsky]

so a 39 year old QB coach to HC the whole team

yeah, rodgers is gonna walk all over him

he's called plays for exactly one season



We could have done worse; he was probably one of the 3-5 guys I would have been ok with. He may need some time to develop but who knows

[Bretsky]

I called that weeks ago.


so this is your fault :))) ?

[Bretsky]

ok, turns out he went to the same school i did during the same time

i might have played some pickup games against him out at the athletic fields



NOW WE'RE F'CKED.....lol

[Bretsky]

old roomates wife knows him

time to kiss ass and get tickets



Is she hot ?

[Bretsky]

I like it too. I think it's a good shot at a potential good young offensive mind.

There is risk for a first-time HC but I don't think Kelly is the best comp. He didn't have the NFL experience that LaFleur did. Joe's post lines out a pretty good looking history of QB tutelage as well as several years with the Shanahan clan, which has been a pretty fertile tree.

Kelly also wanted a lot of control over the personnel. Indications are that will not be the case with LaFleur.



not to state the obvious, but a guy who has only been an OC for one year...….his best credentials appear to be a stellar QB coach, and graduate with RED.......who only GB requested to interview....isn't going to ask, nor should he, for any extra power

It would be great if we could land a stud OC

[Bretsky]

He plans to keep Pettine and defensive staff (which I'm a bit worried about with all but Pettine)


The Whole Defensive Staff ????

[Bretsky]

i'd like to know what qualifies him to have a good offensive mind? working for other people with good offensive minds?

cause he's had the chance to run an offense 1 time in his career, last year, and it was a disaster

ok, he's good at tutoring QBs. thats about the last thing we need. we needed someone to kick our QB in the ass, not teach him how to call a play in the pros




His BEST TRAIT....and WHY THIS COULD BE A GREAT HIRE...………….IS OBVIOUSLY


M.A.R.G.A

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/07/former-browns-ot-joe-thomas-matt-lafleur-fits-perfectly-with-aaron-rodgers/


It was just a few weeks ago when former Wisconsin Badgers and Browns offensive tackle Joe Thomas was on ESPN Milwaukee’s “Wilde and Tausch” podcast singing the praises for new Packers head coach Matt LaFleur.

“I remember being in Cleveland and having Kyle (Shanahan) talk about how smart (Matt) LaFleur was when they were together…in Washington,” Thomas said. “And how basically LaFleur was learning everything he knew under Kyle Shanahan.”


While LaFleur never coached in Cleveland, he worked closely with Kyle Shanahan, who spent time with the Browns in 2014 as the offensive coordinator. LaFleur and Shanahan have worked together numerous times the past few years. The pair connected first in Houston in 2008, and then shared stints in Washington (2012) and Atlanta (2015-2016).

“He understood the details of the wide zone scheme,” Thomas said. “He understands how to get the most out of all of his players, and how it fits well with a quarterback that can move, that can threaten the edges, that can threaten the bootlegs. So I think the skillset Aaron (Rodgers) has would fit perfectly with the offense that Matt LaFleur runs.”

[Joemailman]

Trent Dilfer
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@DilfersDimes
LaFleur is great (learned from Shanahans) at creating free releases for WR’s/TE’s, space in secondary and explosive opportunities on action pass by marrying run game WR splits, shifts, motions and backfield action. Also, Oline will be more physical.

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Dan Orlovsky
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@danorlovsky7
Congrats to LaFleur. I’ve known the dude for 10+ years now, played for em twice. I love the hiring. Dudes very bright, very creative, knows how to attack defenses, has had great teaching and the biggest thing-he’s gonna coach the HECK out of 12 and challenge him DAILY! @packers.

[Cleft Crusty]

I will pay $5 for a reporter to ask if he is considering changing his name to Mike.


Cleft Crusty would probably do it for $1.50.

I would consider changing my name to Mike for $0.75.

[Cleft Crusty]

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2018/08/09/titans-matt-lafleur-qanda-nfl-marcus-mariota-rexrode-packers-preseason/927182002/

[gbgary]

it's all about the draft and free agency now. with Pettine staying this hire should have both sides of the ball hitting the ground running. no real disruption or learning curve. same playbook basically. should look pretty much the same. Rodgers should be happy.

JUST SHOOT ME! lol

[George Cumby]

I like it.

Young and not a retread.

[wist43]

Don't know what to think about it...

Dont think he can fix Rodgers regardless.

Prediction?? Think Rodgers will get him fired within 3 years :(

[denverYooper]

Nah. Rodgers will be re-engaged. I bet they're texting right now about new plays.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I like it. Not a losers retread, but instead, somebody who can infuse some new energy into an aging and predictable packer organization. I've always liked the potential upside of a relatively unknown commodity, since the days of Lombardi.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

And yes, my avatar is still my current picture....

[Fritz]

We could have done worse; he was probably one of the 3-5 guys I would have been ok with. He may need some time to develop but who knows

I'm with you, Bretsky. He's an unknown, but I like that better than a re-tread like Caldwell (puke) or Harbaugh (simultaneous puke and diarrhea) or taking a chance that Josh McDaniel won't quit ten minutes after his introductory press conference.

[wist43]

My pessimism is solely based on Rodgers... I think he's all but quit.

Doesn't care about the team.

[bobblehead]

so, the guy was the OC for the titans this year

titans offense sucked this year

I'm not nuts about this hire either, but I will say that Marriotta absolutely sucks. The fact they almost made the playoffs with that clown is somewhat encouraging.

[KYPack]

My pessimism is solely based on Rodgers... I think he's all but quit.

Doesn't care about the team.

I always wondered what your pessimism was based on...

C'mon Wist, give the new boy until at least Thursday before you start slagging him.

[bobblehead]

C'mon. The odds with those two things on a team are still below 25%. He did it, he deserves the credit.

I give him credit...as I give him credit for the fiasco against Seattle in the NFCC

[Tony Oday]

AR will tell him to go play with his legos in the corner and let him run the offense. This is Murphy firing himself in 2 years. Terrible pick.

[mmmdk]

As the true Champion I am; I endorse the hiring of Matt LaFleur. :smk:

Rats will be rats but some are more puny than others: LaFleur deserves at least one thumb up for now and I won't change that stance until mid-season next season. I've read up on LaFleur and watched some interviews and I like what I've learned about him.

Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst are the guys that need to help their new HC; draft better and sign better free agents.

[bobblehead]

I'll give one big reason for optimism. I am maybe the only true fan of the zone blocking run scheme. Every time its paired with a good QB it is wildly successful. Fat Mikes problem with running it early in his career was his death fear of contact in practice so guys didn't really get good at it...however our best seasons running the ball came early on in the fat mike years so.....

[NewsBruin]

I like the upside of this hire. It doesn't look like it will cause any insecurity among the front offices, which is nice. I imagine the early tests will be:

-How he handles the "Holy crap, I'm a head coach!" planning moments.
-How well he knows and advocates his needs to the GM staff.
-If he can bring on and use assistants who are smarter than him in their specialties.
-What rapport he builds with Rodgers and if he can pull rank as necessary if AR reverts back to all-doodle-bomb-all-the-time.

The Flower has the same contract as a first-round draft pick (4 years guaranteed, with a team option fifth). Fortunately, he doesn't bring any dead money with him, so hopefully he's cheap and can be cut if he sucks.

[Patler]

Don't know what to think about it...

Dont think he can fix Rodgers regardless.

Prediction?? Think Rodgers will get him fired within 3 years :(

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

Stockpile picks for 2021 and get that kid from Clemson!

[Teamcheez1]

Interesting that McDaniels has declared no more coaching interviews after his one only interview with the Packers.

[Gotarace]

Love the smell of new blood in the water...Should be a interesting ride. I'm all for giving the man a chance to lead the Packers

[VegasPackFan]

I'm OK with this as a huge upside decision. Might as well get a guy that is part of the new offensive movement in the NFL versus a retread or a guy that would probably still have his heart and aspirations in NE.

He was working with Griffin in Wash the year he had that great season. He worked with Matt Ryan when he won NFL MVP. These are two totally different QB's and he was able to have success with both. HE was also a big part of the turnaround of Goff and that offense in LA as well. I think the TEN offense this year was bad due to personnel and injuries much more than scheme.

[Fritz]

I like the upside of this hire. It doesn't look like it will cause any insecurity among the front offices, which is nice. I imagine the early tests will be:

-How he handles the "Holy crap, I'm a head coach!" planning moments.
-How well he knows and advocates his needs to the GM staff.
-If he can bring on and use assistants who are smarter than him in their specialties.
-What rapport he builds with Rodgers and if he can pull rank as necessary if AR reverts back to all-doodle-bomb-all-the-time.

The Flower has the same contract as a first-round draft pick (4 years guaranteed, with a team option fifth). Fortunately, he doesn't bring any dead money with him, so hopefully he's cheap and can be cut if he sucks.


This is one of the more intelligent posts on the new coaching hire.

Any upset I have with this hire has more to do with how it happened and what the pre-conditions for his hire might have been. The rumors are floating around that the Packers (apparently soon to be known as the "Murphies") were keen for the new coach, whoever it was, to keep Pettine.

Normally, I would dismiss that as mere rumor, but the fact that Murphy has already hamstrung his GM by, first, appearing to acquiesce to McCarthy's supposed demand that it not be Russ Ball (thus capitulating to his coach) and then by not letting his GM be in charge of hiring his own coach, suggests to me that Murphy is okay with hiring people to whom he does not give full powers of the position.

That's what bothers me in all this - not the choice of coaches, but the possibility that the coach doesn't perhaps have full powers to hire and fire his own coaching staff.

This is all great if you're Joseph Stalin and you're playing subordinates off each other in order to consolidate and keep your own power, but if you're trying to create a cohesive organizational structure all pulling in the same direction, I'm not so sure this is gonna work.

On a separate note, having read that the Packers did LaFleur's interview last, and did not bother with a second interview, I wonder if the Packers fired MM during the season in part simply to get a jump on the job search, and having gotten that jump, they identified The Flower as one of maybe two preferred candidates and so the most part of the job search was window dressing. Smart, if that is so, to bring Caldwell in right away to satisfy the Rooney Rule perception.

This is my guess: they fired MM to get a leg up, did their research, tabbed LaFleur, also boned up on McDaniel, then "saved" the LaFleur interview for last to be able to compare his interview (he is relatively knew at this interviewing, after all) to the previous ones - including McDaniel. When TheFlower aced the interview, the Packers got their man right away, no need for a round two.

Now, if they hired him because (as a new HC) he would be more amenable to keeping Pettine than McDaniel was, then shame on Murphy. This whole thing will, at some point, blow up, and there will be fingers pointing everywhwere.

In the meantime, I'm rooting for this guy - he's a lot better-sounding
to me than some re-tread, or for some Belichek disciple (Bill's coaching tree looks like it's been doused with boric acid).

[Carolina_Packer]

Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst are the guys that need to help their new HC; draft better and sign better free agents.

100% Right

[Smidgeon]

This is one of the more intelligent posts on the new coaching hire.

Any upset I have with this hire has more to do with how it happened and what the pre-conditions for his hire might have been. The rumors are floating around that the Packers (apparently soon to be known as the "Murphies") were keen for the new coach, whoever it was, to keep Pettine.

Normally, I would dismiss that as mere rumor, but the fact that Murphy has already hamstrung his GM by, first, appearing to acquiesce to McCarthy's supposed demand that it not be Russ Ball (thus capitulating to his coach) and then by not letting his GM be in charge of hiring his own coach, suggests to me that Murphy is okay with hiring people to whom he does not give full powers of the position.

That's what bothers me in all this - not the choice of coaches, but the possibility that the coach doesn't perhaps have full powers to hire and fire his own coaching staff.

This is all great if you're Joseph Stalin and you're playing subordinates off each other in order to consolidate and keep your own power, but if you're trying to create a cohesive organizational structure all pulling in the same direction, I'm not so sure this is gonna work.

On a separate note, having read that the Packers did LaFleur's interview last, and did not bother with a second interview, I wonder if the Packers fired MM during the season in part simply to get a jump on the job search, and having gotten that jump, they identified The Flower as one of maybe two preferred candidates and so the most part of the job search was window dressing. Smart, if that is so, to bring Caldwell in right away to satisfy the Rooney Rule perception.

This is my guess: they fired MM to get a leg up, did their research, tabbed LaFleur, also boned up on McDaniel, then "saved" the LaFleur interview for last to be able to compare his interview (he is relatively new at this interviewing, after all) to the previous ones - including McDaniel. When TheFlower aced the interview, the Packers got their man right away, no need for a round two.

Now, if they hired him because (as a new HC) he would be more amenable to keeping Pettine than McDaniel was, then shame on Murphy. This whole thing will, at some point, blow up, and there will be fingers pointing everywhwere.

In the meantime, I'm rooting for this guy - he's a lot better-sounding
to me than some re-tread, or for some Belichek disciple (Bill's coaching tree looks like it's been doused with boric acid).

I agree with this part. I think it's exactly what happened and telling that it was one of their final interviews, especially including McDaniels' timing.

[Patler]

Interesting tidbit: LaFleur was QB coach at Notre Dame when DeShone Kizer was a red shirt freshman.

(Apologies if someone already pointed this out.)

[Smidgeon]

When are the Packers officially announcing it?

[Fritz]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

What makes you think this? Hasn't Rodgers professed to want to play into his early 40's? How long is his contract extension for?

Do you think he'll be too beat up to continue?

[mraynrand]

so at 39, what kind of coaches can he bring it to fill in the holes?

I heard he was bringing in Emile Flournoy as OC and Guy Gadbois as offensive line coach.

[gbgary]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

yup. i don't think so either.

[George Cumby]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

He may not make it through the 2019 season at this rate.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

Boy, that's a bold proclamation. But, I don't think it's necessarily wrong. Are you implying getting Favre'd aka traded, or what?

[pbmax]

I thought Montgomery did a good job with the D-Line considering the injuries. The rest I don't care about.

Whitt is legit I think.

[pbmax]

I heard he was bringing in Emile Flournoy as OC and Guy Gadbois as offensive line coach.

Imagine my surprise when these people were not French Canadien hockey players.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein
One of the #Packers offensive coaches with an offer to stay is TEs coach Brian Angelichio, source said. He served with Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and knows Matt LaFleur and his offense. #Packers think highly of him.

[Smidgeon]

Tom Silverstein
One of the #Packers offensive coaches with an offer to stay is TEs coach Brian Angelichio, source said. He served with Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and knows Matt LaFleur and his offense. #Packers think highly of him.

I, for one, in my infinite wisdom would be inescapably confused if Philbin is retained as the OC. Confused because I don't know if it would be a good move or not.

[denverYooper]

Boy, that's a bold proclamation. But, I don't think it's necessarily wrong. Are you implying getting Favre'd aka traded, or what?

It's not a stretch to see the Favre scenario playing out, probably without all of the fake retirements.

My guess is that the vision is to pair him with Rodgers for the next 3 years but start drafting QB prospects to be molded into the next franchise QB behind Rodgers. 2022 is Rodgers's out year, where they could potentially cut him with "only" 11.5 mil dead cap. If they are ready to go cheaper at QB they could be ready to do it then.

[Rutnstrut]

It's not a stretch to see the Favre scenario playing out, probably without all of the fake retirements.

My guess is that the vision is to pair him with Rodgers for the next 3 years but start drafting QB prospects to be molded into the next franchise QB behind Rodgers. 2022 is Rodgers's out year, where they could potentially cut him with "only" 11.5 mil dead cap. If they are ready to go cheaper at QB they could be ready to do it then.



If they stop slacking on building a good defense this could be very possible. You don't need much of a QB with a great D and a good running game. Then again if AR keeps dropping off. That's exactly what he will be, is not that great of a QB.

[denverYooper]

This may have been posted...

Tom Silverstein
‏Verified account @TomSilverstein

LaFleur has feelers out on offensive coordinators, source said, but too early to tell whether he’ll get who he wants. He’ll seek someone with knowledge of the Shanahan/McVay type offense.

[denverYooper]

Arif Hasan
‏Verified account @ArifHasanNFL

Arif Hasan Retweeted Tom Silverstein

It's 2022, only one offense exists in the NFL. The Shanavay offense has consumed everything. There is no defense. Teams run play action on 70% of plays. The Patriots win another Super Bowl & a "linebacker" wins SB MVP. Kraft fires Belichick to hire Sean McVay's handsome gardener.

[gbgary]

Boy, that's a bold proclamation. But, I don't think it's necessarily wrong. Are you implying getting Favre'd aka traded, or what?

Packers have an out on his contract after the 2021 season. his 2022 cap hit is $37m (lol) but the dead money is $11.5m...so a savings of $25.5m.

[Joemailman]

Just a little background information on Tennessee's offensive situation this past year.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/green-bay-packers-news-rumors


Despite Marcus Mariota being frequently hurt, LaFleur helped guide the team to nine wins, with Tennessee ultimately falling just short of the playoffs. LaFleur is only 39, and his hiring continues the trend of teams looking for young offensive gurus as head coaches.

Despite dealing with a nerve injury in his throwing arm that limited him for several games and knocked him out of several others, Mariota averaged the most yards per attempt of his career under LaFleur. While the offense wasn’t nearly as dynamic as the one LaFleur helped build in Los Angeles, it was a lot more creative and innovative than the one Mike Mularkey had been running in Tennessee.

[gbgary]

When are the Packers officially announcing it?

tomorrow

[Fosco33]

This may have been posted...

Tom Silverstein
‏Verified account @TomSilverstein

LaFleur has feelers out on offensive coordinators, source said, but too early to tell whether he’ll get who he wants. He’ll seek someone with knowledge of the Shanahan/McVay type offense.
Zac taylor?

Did anyone else interview or ask to interview M4? Why we jump so fast?

[Bretsky]

Zac taylor?

Did anyone else interview or ask to interview M4? Why we jump so fast?


Unlikely they can get Zac Taylor as I don't think the Rams will let him go for a position less than a HC

[pbmax]

Pratik ESPN on the new head coaches four year contract with a fifth year option:

So he's matt lafeur, but there's a chance he can be matt lafive

[Joemailman]

Zac taylor?

Did anyone else interview or ask to interview M4? Why we jump so fast?

I agree with Bretsky that Rams probably won't let Zac Taylor go.

I think we'll find out tomorrow that LaFleur knocked it out of the park with his interview and they didn't feel the need to do any more interviews.

[Bretsky]

GENERAL COMMENT

I think Hoody Genius Jr has little to no chance for this job based on unconfirmed info but info I keep hearing

Hoody Genius Jr has asked for some say in personnell in past interviews and I think had some others in mind for the defensive side of the ball. Many, including those covering the Packers, thought GB wanted the new coach to keep the current DC. Marcia Marcia Marcia is running the show and there was no way he was wanting a coach coming in asking for more than that of a rookie HC with limited experience. And I'm not sure Hoody Genius Jr wanted to walk into a situations with a power hungry President who wants to the GM and the overseer of the Packer Universe

Marcia Marcia Marcia wanted his coach to coach and that's it. And he wants to be the president and GM and run the show. No strong willed coaches were coming to GB. He was going to bring in a rook

LaFleau makes sense. Many have said he has great presence. I listened to 15 minutes of the best Titans guy rave about LaFleaur, and he said from the first time he met him he thought he was head coach material. He just hoped to keep him for 2 years because in his mind he was getting a HC job soon. Also noted the person who will benefit most from this, hands down will be Aaron Jones and then noted to look at how Gurley was utilized two years ago. Also noted lights out work ethic and whether it's Matt Ryan, or Aaron Rodgers, he will be undoubtedly in charge, and he was challenge his QB's.

So I'm conservatively blessing the hire, and realistically I understand there was NO WAY Marcia Marcia Marcia was letting an overly qualified candidate come to GB

[Pugger]

I will pay $5 for a reporter to ask if he is considering changing his name to Mike.

He and his brother should switch first names.

[Pugger]

My pessimism is solely based on Rodgers... I think he's all but quit.

Doesn't care about the team.

If he didn't care about the team why did he come back out and lead the team to a win after he hurt his knee in week one and continue to play even after we were eliminated from the post season?

[pbmax]

I like it. Not a losers retread, but instead, somebody who can infuse some new energy into an aging and predictable packer organization. I've always liked the potential upside of a relatively unknown commodity, since the days of Lombardi.

I agree, not a retread. I like the chances with a young assistant to grow into the role.

[Bretsky]

I agree with Bretsky that Rams probably won't let Zac Taylor go.

I think we'll find out tomorrow that LaFleur knocked it out of the park with his interview and they didn't feel the need to do any more interviews.



Bingo

After listening to the Titans reporter covering the team he was convinced he would kill and interview

Heard from several he came in with a list of offensive and defensive preferred coaches he's considering bringing in with him and Pettine was at top of his list of potential DC's.

[Bretsky]

He HAD to KILL the interview and Marcia had to be in absolutely love with him.

Nobody else granted him an interview; so there was no downside in bringing him and others back for round two; I'd bet Gooter would have bought a few back in...……….but you know...…….MARCIA has been around football all his life and he really knows what he's doing :))

[pbmax]

GENERAL COMMENT

I think Hoody Genius Jr has little to no chance for this job based on unconfirmed info but info I keep hearing

Hoody Genius Jr has asked for some say in personnell in past interviews and I think had some others in mind for the defensive side of the ball. Many, including those covering the Packers, thought GB wanted the new coach to keep the current DC. Marcia Marcia Marcia is running the show and there was no way he was wanting a coach coming in asking for more than that of a rookie HC with limited experience. And I'm not sure Hoody Genius Jr wanted to walk into a situations with a power hungry President who wants to the GM and the overseer of the Packer Universe

Marcia Marcia Marcia wanted his coach to coach and that's it. And he wants to be the president and GM and run the show. No strong willed coaches were coming to GB. He was going to bring in a rook

LaFleau makes sense. Many have said he has great presence. I listened to 15 minutes of the best Titans guy rave about LaFleaur, and he said from the first time he met him he thought he was head coach material. He just hoped to keep him for 2 years because in his mind he was getting a HC job soon. Also noted the person who will benefit most from this, hands down will be Aaron Jones and then noted to look at how Gurley was utilized two years ago. Also noted lights out work ethic and whether it's Matt Ryan, or Aaron Rodgers, he will be undoubtedly in charge, and he was challenge his QB's.

So I'm conservatively blessing the hire, and realistically I understand there was NO WAY Marcia Marcia Marcia was letting an overly qualified candidate come to GB

Why does it have to be a conspiracy to keep McDaniels out?

Maybe he is a jack wagon? Or a bad interview?

For a moment, forget personnel or defense (in Denver his DCs were Mike Nolan and Don Martindale). You want a conspiracy theory?

Fourth coaching hire in a row that is running some version of a west coast offense. Consistency for the QB is the running theme in GB, And while I like the hire a lot, I am not sure that is the best criteria for hiring a coach. But at least LeFleur has an updated version of the offense.

[pbmax]

Rams coach Sean McVay, to the Los Angeles media, had this to say about new Packers coach Matt LaFleur, his former assistant: "I talked to Matt when he was going into interview and Matt is obviously, he is one of my closest friends. So to see that for him, you couldn't be more excited. He's a great football coach. Got a great understanding from offensive football, a very – he's just such a great guy. He cares about people, he's going to be honest with his communication and then he's going to be invested in working really hard to try to put guys in good spots, but when you see those types of things you can't do anything but just be really happy for a close friend, I love his family. His wife Brie, his two boys Ty and Luke, so it's an exciting thing for the Packers and for Matt for sure."


Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41052306-4

He will mow your lawn while you are on vacation, what is not to love?

[pbmax]

More Demovsky on coaching staff:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwaKYIdWwAA35Bz.jpg:large

[Bretsky]

Why does it have to be a conspiracy to keep McDaniels out?

Maybe he is a jack wagon? Or a bad interview?

For a moment, forget personnel or defense (in Denver his DCs were Mike Nolan and Don Martindale). You want a conspiracy theory?

Fourth coaching hire in a row that is running some version of a west coast offense. Consistency for the QB is the running theme in GB, And while I like the hire a lot, I am not sure that is the best criteria for hiring a coach. But at least LeFleur has an updated version of the offense.


i'm not crying conspiracy. I'm saying he wasn't going to be the coach. I base this partly off your buddy's 15 minute interview....aka...the GREAT GREG BADARD :)

He said McDaniels was a bad fit for the Marcia structure in GB and McDaniels will not likely want some authority since he most likely has the NE job with Hoody Genius Sr leaves. So for Josh to take the GB job the coach would have to identity it as the perfect structure to excel in. And if that was true, do you think, even if McDaniels knocked the interview out of the park, Marcia was hiring him ? If that info was true Maricia would hire Patty Fitzgerald....aka...THANK GOD he's staying in ILL...……….over HG2
Bad interview ……...ask the Colts

[Bretsky]

Rams coach Sean McVay, to the Los Angeles media, had this to say about new Packers coach Matt LaFleur, his former assistant: "I talked to Matt when he was going into interview and Matt is obviously, he is one of my closest friends. So to see that for him, you couldn't be more excited. He's a great football coach. Got a great understanding from offensive football, a very – he's just such a great guy. He cares about people, he's going to be honest with his communication and then he's going to be invested in working really hard to try to put guys in good spots, but when you see those types of things you can't do anything but just be really happy for a close friend, I love his family. His wife Brie, his two boys Ty and Luke, so it's an exciting thing for the Packers and for Matt for sure."


Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41052306-4

He will mow your lawn while you are on vacation, what is not to love?




Well if he loves him that much maybe he can let us hock Zac Taylor :)))

[pbmax]

i'm not crying conspiracy. I'm saying he wasn't going to be the coach. I base this partly off your buddy's 15 minute interview....aka...the GREAT GREG BADARD :)

He said McDaniels was a bad fit for the Marcia structure in GB and McDaniels will not likely want some authority since he most likely has the NE job with Hoody Genius Sr leaves. So for Josh to take the GB job the coach would have to identity it as the perfect structure to excel in. And if that was true, do you think, even if McDaniels knocked the interview out of the park, Marcia was hiring him ? If that info was true Maricia would hire Patty Fitzgerald....aka...THANK GOD he's staying in ILL...……….over HG2
Bad interview ……...ask the Colts

Not sure I trust the Colts decisions.

If personnel say were a deal killer, why interview? It has been clear since last year that Gute has roster control.

Truth is that he has no guarantees he gets Bill's job, or even a date for Bill's retirement.

McDaniels made the playoffs his first year in Denver with a terribly weak division. That might translate to what BB did in Cleveland. But Bill had five years to demonstrate his competence. McDaniels drove people crazy in a year and a half and then had the Colts fiasco. Diva Coach seems to be the best description.

[pbmax]

Sure we need two young geniuses on offense? Would rather a more veteran hand on offense I think.

[Joemailman]

Sure we need two young geniuses on offense? Would rather a more veteran hand on offense I think.

Philbin?

[woodbuck27]

BTW, sounds like a Canadian hockey player - Woody what you know???

That Canadian Pro Player was in his prime the greatest hockey player on the planet. The great Guy LaFleur of the Montreal Canadiens .. Les Habitants.

[woodbuck27]

My only concern is with secondary play and personnel. Would love them to emphasize more zone (not all the time but mix) to enable Josh Jackson to contribute. But that is the only complaint so far.

What is the story on Josh Jackson this season pbmax? He seemed invisible.

[pbmax]

Philbin?

No. If they keep on old, existing hand, keep Campen.

[pbmax]

What is the story on Josh Jackson this season pbmax? He seemed invisible.

He was out there in dime and dollar (6 and 7) DB packages.

But he's too grabby and penalty prone. Better at zone than man. Behind Alexander and King. Breeland is better too. Needs work.

[pbmax]

LaFleur has landed in Green Bay.

[woodbuck27]

What is the story on Josh Jackson this season pbmax? He seemed invisible.

CB Josh Jackson Stat's:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackJo01.htm

[Bretsky]

No. If they keep on old, existing hand, keep Campen.



HELL NO TO JOEY

remember when Campen was hated in here ? At some points I felt like his only backer

[pbmax]

Packers Tweeted official announcement.

Lotta manscaping on that forehead M4.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb_C12WsAc9W8z?format=jpg&name=large

[pbmax]

Wist, he looks like Don Capers Junior in that photo!

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=Bretsky;1001562]GENERAL COMMENT

I think Hoody Genius Jr has little to no chance for this job based on unconfirmed info but info I keep hearing

Hoody Genius Jr has asked for some say in personnell in past interviews and I think had some others in mind for the defensive side of the ball. Many, including those covering the Packers, thought GB wanted the new coach to keep the current DC. Marcia Marcia Marcia is running the show and there was no way he was wanting a coach coming in asking for more than that of a rookie HC with limited experience. And I'm not sure Hoody Genius Jr wanted to walk into a situations with a power hungry President who wants to the GM and the overseer of the Packer Universe

Marcia Marcia Marcia wanted his coach to coach and that's it. And he wants to be the president and GM and run the show. No strong willed coaches were coming to GB. He was going to bring in a rook

LaFleau makes sense. Many have said he has great presence. I listened to 15 minutes of the best Titans guy rave about LaFleaur, and he said from the first time he met him he thought he was head coach material. He just hoped to keep him for 2 years because in his mind he was getting a HC job soon. Also noted the person who will benefit most from this, hands down will be Aaron Jones and then noted to look at how Gurley was utilized two years ago. Also noted lights out work ethic and whether it's Matt Ryan, or Aaron Rodgers, he will be undoubtedly in charge, and he was challenge his QB's.

So I'm conservatively blessing the hire, and realistically I understand there was NO WAY Marcia Marcia Marcia was letting an overly qualified candidate come to GB...

Ok you've got me lost here: Who is Marcia Marcia Marcia? Murphy ?

[red]

Packers Tweeted official announcement.

Lotta manscaping on that forehead M4.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb_C12WsAc9W8z?format=jpg&name=large

he should grow his hair back out

https://i.imgflip.com/1qg9dv.jpg

[woodbuck27]

Packers Tweeted official announcement.

Lotta manscaping on that forehead M4.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb_C12WsAc9W8z?format=jpg&name=large

He's ' a bright looking ' Dude.

[woodbuck27]

he should grow his hair back out

https://i.imgflip.com/1qg9dv.jpg

Hahahaaha It was a bad bad day.

[Bretsky]

[QUOTE=Bretsky;1001562]GENERAL COMMENT

I think Hoody Genius Jr has little to no chance for this job based on unconfirmed info but info I keep hearing

Hoody Genius Jr has asked for some say in personnell in past interviews and I think had some others in mind for the defensive side of the ball. Many, including those covering the Packers, thought GB wanted the new coach to keep the current DC. Marcia Marcia Marcia is running the show and there was no way he was wanting a coach coming in asking for more than that of a rookie HC with limited experience. And I'm not sure Hoody Genius Jr wanted to walk into a situations with a power hungry President who wants to the GM and the overseer of the Packer Universe

Marcia Marcia Marcia wanted his coach to coach and that's it. And he wants to be the president and GM and run the show. No strong willed coaches were coming to GB. He was going to bring in a rook

LaFleau makes sense. Many have said he has great presence. I listened to 15 minutes of the best Titans guy rave about LaFleaur, and he said from the first time he met him he thought he was head coach material. He just hoped to keep him for 2 years because in his mind he was getting a HC job soon. Also noted the person who will benefit most from this, hands down will be Aaron Jones and then noted to look at how Gurley was utilized two years ago. Also noted lights out work ethic and whether it's Matt Ryan, or Aaron Rodgers, he will be undoubtedly in charge, and he was challenge his QB's.

So I'm conservatively blessing the hire, and realistically I understand there was NO WAY Marcia Marcia Marcia was letting an overly qualified candidate come to GB...

Ok you've got me lost here: Who is Marcia Marcia Marcia? Murphy ?




Woody....we missed you for too long !

Marcia Marcia Marcia is Mark Murphy, the power hungry president who has restructured the GB Packer organization......but didn't have the balls to pull in Gooter and AROD to make the executive call to Sit Aaron Rodgers down the last two games and see what we have in Kizer because it was clearly in the best interests of the organization. Lacked stones....Marica Marcia Marcia

[The Shadow]

I know : Let's all give the guy a chance, sit back & relax. After his first game, we can all chime in.

[The Shadow]

It was imperative that Pettine was retained. I do wish that Whitt would be shown the door quickly.

[Patler]

What makes you think this? Hasn't Rodgers professed to want to play into his early 40's? How long is his contract extension for?

Do you think he'll be too beat up to continue?


I do. Wanting to play until he is forty and being able to play are two different things. Injuries greatly affected him the last two seasons, and I expect more of the same going forward. If he is in and out of the lineup and/or hobbling around a lot of games when playing the next couple years, I think he will be done. Heck, the concussion in the last game might make him rethink his plan to play into his forties.

[Patler]

Boy, that's a bold proclamation. But, I don't think it's necessarily wrong. Are you implying getting Favre'd aka traded, or what?


I doubt he would be traded by 2022 because they have no replacement for him. They would have to draft someone this year or next to take over, or Kizer would have to take a huge step forward.

[pbmax]

It was imperative that Pettine was retained. I do wish that Whitt would be shown the door quickly.

What is wrong with Whitt? In his first year of controlling the entire secondary (CBs and Safeties) the communication issues seemed to disappear.

[Joemailman]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/green-bay-packers-news-rumors


New Packers head coach Matt LaFleur will likely implement much of his own staff, at least on the offensive side of the ball, but one incumbent Green Bay staffer has already received an offer to stick around. LaFleur wants tight ends coach Brian Angelichio to stay with the Packers, per Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Twitter link). Angelichio worked with Kyle Shanahan on the 2014 Browns’ staff, meaning he has experience with the Sean McVay/Shanahan/LaFleur offense. He’s been with Green Bay since 2016.

[pbmax]

We, and everyone else, may have been a little over our skis with reporting Pettine was back already.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
LaFleur said he has not had an opportunity to talk to Pettine yet about a job.

[Joemailman]

We, and everyone else, may have been a little over our skis with reporting Pettine was back already.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
LaFleur said he has not had an opportunity to talk to Pettine yet about a job.

Any chance Gutey or Murphy talked to Pettine before they hired LaFleur? There were even reports Pettine had agreed to return.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/08/mike-pettine-agrees-to-stay-on-as-packers-defensive-coordinator/


New Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur will be retaining top defensive assistant Mike Pettine.

According to Rob Demovsky of ESPN, Pettine has agreed to stay on as the Packers’ defensive coordinator, a job he originally accepted from Mike McCarthy last January.


LaFleur expressed a desire to retain Pettine when he interviewed for the job Sunday. By Monday, the Packers had made up their mind.

All just speculation?

[pbmax]

We are all VERY old:

Wilde And Tausch @WildeAndTausch
Former #Packers WR Ruvell Martin was college roommates with the team’s new head coach, Matt LaFleur.

Martin joins the show now, listen live on @ESPNMadison/@ESPNMilwaukee!

[pbmax]

Any chance Gutey or Murphy talked to Pettine before they hired LaFleur? There were even reports Pettine had agreed to return.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/08/mike-pettine-agrees-to-stay-on-as-packers-defensive-coordinator/


All just speculation?

Sure. Also possible other things have happened. Of all the beat guys, Demovsky is probably got the most sources to scoop this, so I'd say it's likely. But they obviously aren't willing to confirm yet.

[pbmax]

Gute was the conduit to Rodgers, not Murphy. Maybe there is balance in the triangle firing squad after all.

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/for-new-coach-matt-lafleur-connecting-with-aaron-rodgers-will/article_7328051e-b4af-50f8-9891-cd84fec39450.html?


GREEN BAY — Matt LaFleur wasn’t even the Green Bay Packers head coach yet when his iPhone started buzzing Monday.

~snip~

No, the call was from Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who’d gotten the word from Gutekunst that LaFleur was going to be his next coach.

“That’s kind of how I had an idea that maybe I was in the running for it,” LaFleur said with a smile during his introductory news conference Wednesday at Lambeau Field.

Gutekunst later explained how the call happened — “Once we kind of narrowed in that Matt was our guy, I had Aaron reach out to him,” Gutekunst said — but the call underscored what LaFleur surely already knew before he even interviewed on Sunday: While the job obviously entails much more than just coaching the quarterback, his relationship and connection with Rodgers is crucial.

[pbmax]

Same Wilde article, and my first disappointment:


LaFleur, who said he will serve as the offensive play-caller, also made it clear that he and Rodgers must be on the same page during games.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We are all VERY old:

Wilde And Tausch @WildeAndTausch
Former #Packers WR Ruvell Martin was college roommates with the team’s new head coach, Matt LaFleur.

Martin joins the show now, listen live on @ESPNMadison/@ESPNMilwaukee!

Cool fact: Martin, aside from being an offspring of interracial and accidentally getting his sword touched during a Lambert Leap, was Rodgers’ BFF when both were backups in Title-Town.

Rodgers don’t need a friend of a friend. He needs coach. Should’ve hired J-Mac.

[pbmax]

Cool fact: Martin, aside from being an offspring of interracial and accidentally getting his sword touched during a Lambert Leap, was Rodgers’ BFF when both were backups in Title-Town.

Rodgers don’t need a friend of a friend. He needs coach. Should’ve hired J-Mac.

Tank, Ruvell has been a theme on this board longer than memes have existed. We know this.

What people may have forgotten is that Ruvell was the original 5th member of the BIG FIVE wide receiver package. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin. Later, Finley would take his spot.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Tank, Ruvell has been a theme on this board longer than memes have existed. We know this.

What people may have forgotten is that Ruvell was the original 5th member of the BIG FIVE wide receiver package. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin. Later, Finley would take his spot.

Let’s ask the Kentucky just to be sure, but I’m pretty confident the other original Big 5 was K-Rob, a Todd draft pick in Seattle, instead of J-Nel. Jordy never got the chance to play with Favre, thanks to Todd.

Looks like A-Rod endorses LaFluer. Could it be b/c LaFluer is a friend of Martin? I thought Murphy was like, A-Rod would have no say in the hire.

J-Mac wanted to coach in Green Bay. His agent even came up with rumors that the hapless Browns were interested in J-Mac; The goal was to get the Packers to hurry the fuck up and hire J-Mac. Rodgers would throw for 7000 yards/season with J-Mac.

Should’ve hired J-Mac. Who’s better, the winner and champion, or the guy that hasn’t won and done shit?

[mraynrand]

Tank, Ruvell has been a theme on this board longer than memes have existed. We know this.

What people may have forgotten is that Ruvell was the original 5th member of the BIG FIVE wide receiver package. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin. Later, Finley would take his spot.

If you're including TEs, then in 2008 Donald Lee was the fifth target. Ru had maybe 10 catches. And he gave way to Spencer Havner in 2009...

[pbmax]

If you're including TEs, then in 2008 Donald Lee was the fifth target. Ru had maybe 10 catches. And he gave way to Spencer Havner in 2009...

Did Lee split out wide? I don't remember that, but I also remember Franckenbacker mostly in the backfield.

[pbmax]

Did Lee split out wide? I don't remember that, but I also remember Franckenbacker mostly in the backfield.

While I imagine Lee and Franckenbacker did occasionally split out wide, the formation Big Five was five WR (with Ruvell) when we learned it was its own thing and not a LOS adjustment.

[pbmax]

Second thing that concerns me, they are totally in on this offense being the solution. That is not how it works best.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
ICYMI: Discussion in Green Bay since Matt LaFleur arrived has been about hiring either SF run game coordinator Mike McDaniel or SF pass game coordinator Mike LaFleur (Matt’s brother) as #Packers offensive coordinator. Unclear whether Kyle Shanahan would allow either one to leave.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Murphy says the #Packers leadership council, which consists of veteran players, shared their belief that a sense of complacency had set in with coaches/players in Green Bay.

[mraynrand]

While I imagine Lee and Franckenbacker did occasionally split out wide, the formation Big Five was five WR (with Ruvell) when we learned it was its own thing and not a LOS adjustment.

I'm only making the point (and this is now not addressing any point you were making) that Martin had maybe 25 targets, and I have no way of knowing, without watching the entire season over again, just how many came from five wide. So it was a thing, just not a big deal. What I find more interesting, looking back, was how Stubby could go from 5 wide to the inverted wishbone on the same set of downs. Not that these formations or Stubby had anything to do with Packer success - we all know that any success was due to Rodgers and luck.

[mraynrand]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Murphy says the #Packers leadership council, which consists of veteran players, shared their belief that a sense of complacency had set in with coaches/players in Green Bay.

I find this difficult to believe as I was satisfied that everything was working smoothly.

[call_me_ishmael]

Second thing that concerns me, they are totally in on this offense being the solution. That is not how it works best.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
ICYMI: Discussion in Green Bay since Matt LaFleur arrived has been about hiring either SF run game coordinator Mike McDaniel or SF pass game coordinator Mike LaFleur (Matt’s brother) as #Packers offensive coordinator. Unclear whether Kyle Shanahan would allow either one to leave.

Gotta imagine Shanny would let the dude's brother leave to coach with his bro.

[Smidgeon]

Second thing that concerns me, they are totally in on this offense being the solution. That is not how it works best.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
ICYMI: Discussion in Green Bay since Matt LaFleur arrived has been about hiring either SF run game coordinator Mike McDaniel or SF pass game coordinator Mike LaFleur (Matt’s brother) as #Packers offensive coordinator. Unclear whether Kyle Shanahan would allow either one to leave.

Isn't that normal though? Coaches hiring people with similar mindsets they've worked with before?

[George Cumby]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Murphy says the #Packers leadership council, which consists of veteran players, shared their belief that a sense of complacency had set in with coaches/players in Green Bay.

Gee, I never would have guessed that watching the Season Opener against the Bears.

[Smidgeon]

There's a lot of potential with the M4 hire. I sincerely hope he gets the right staff though. Being a head coach is more than just being good on offense. The Falcons, in parallel to Rams the year before, just gave clock management and challenge duties to someone other than the head coach during games. If M4 is calling plays, it would be wise to beef up game day management.

These are the other things I think need to be done to get the right staff in place:
1. Extending an offer to M3.b (Pettine) if you don't think you can get anyone better (and you might not due to dearth of better options both absolutely and relatively).
2. Getting an offensive coordinator who can provide stability and keep the pendulum centered would be another good step (the traditional HC of yesteryear).
3. If he wants another up and comer in his mold, the QB coach would probably be a good position for that since he'll be working with the QBs a lot a la early M3.

I'm not worried about anything yet (as there's only speculation based on projection at this point). There's plenty of good opportunity. But it still has to be done right and has to be sustainable.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm only making the point (and this is now not addressing any point you were making) that Martin had maybe 25 targets, and I have no way of knowing, without watching the entire season over again, just how many came from five wide. So it was a thing, just not a big deal. What I find more interesting, looking back, was how Stubby could go from 5 wide to the inverted wishbone on the same set of downs. Not that these formations or Stubby had anything to do with Packer success - we all know that any success was due to Rodgers and luck.

The Packers were 6-10 in 2008, so success was incarcerated that season. It was a colossal failure of a season, a confirmation that Todd fucked up colossally in trading the Gunslinger. You don't fall from 13-3 to 6-10 with virtually the same roster unless you fuck up colossally.

The "Big 5" was so 2007. All Rodgers did that season was ALMOST lead a comeback in Dallas, in a game that would foreshadow Rodger's futility in the clutch. History says that Rodgers started something like 0-10 in the clutch til he hit a WIDE OPEN Greg Jennings in the clutch in a "Cardinals-playoff-game too-late" game against Chicago.

Funny, Favre was actually excellent in the clutch in his youth. 09-20-92, the Atlanta game in MKE, the Detroit playoff game are a few examples. Nowadays, all the haters remember is Favre's last pass as a Packer. Rodgers sucked in the clutch in his youth. He's pretty good nowadays.

[Fritz]

Tank, Ruvell has been a theme on this board longer than memes have existed. We know this.

What people may have forgotten is that Ruvell was the original 5th member of the BIG FIVE wide receiver package. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin. Later, Finley would take his spot.

For the youngsters on this site (anyone under the age of 30, if there are any on this site that young), Ruvell Martin = Geronimo Allison: Lots of talk about "savvy," "big hands," "good catch radius," "knows his assignments cold," "good red zone target," "Rodgers loves him," but at the end of the season he's got about twenty catches.

As for The Flower's hiring of offensive coaches, to me the more frightening move (more frightening than hiring someone who thinks just like LeFleur does) would be making Joe Philbin as your OC. Now that would frighten me.

[Pugger]

Good news, gentlemen. Rob Demovsky reports that Ron Zook is out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bump::cow::wave::glug::clap::alc:

[Fritz]

Hip hip, hooray!

Okay, Red, you went to school with LeFleur, right? So get on the phone and tell him to interview KYPack for that special teams opening.

[gbgary]

Packers Tweeted official announcement.

Lotta manscaping on that forehead M4.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb_C12WsAc9W8z?format=jpg&name=large

and eyebrows. he must own stock in the Favre trimmer.

[Pugger]

Rob Demovsky reports our WR coach is leaving too!! :tup:

[mraynrand]

and eyebrows. he must own stock in the Favre trimmer.

lol

[Pugger]

Somebody posted this on ProFootball Talk and it made me giggle.

Ron Zook was cleaning out his office and carrying personal items to his car. He was penalized for parking illegally, and then fumbled his stuff into the street. When an intern came to help him, he accidentally pushed them from behind and then as they were falling, he grabbed their arm and held for an inordinate amount of time.

;-)

[Joemailman]

We, and everyone else, may have been a little over our skis with reporting Pettine was back already.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
LaFleur said he has not had an opportunity to talk to Pettine yet about a job.

So, do we just assume Pettine is staying? Will there be/has there been an announcement?

[esoxx]

Packers considering former Jags OC Nathaniel "Buddy" Hackett to be their OC.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-considering-nathaniel-hackett-for-offensive-coordinator-job/

[Joemailman]

Packers considering former Jags OC Nathaniel "Buddy" Hackett to be their OC.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-considering-nathaniel-hackett-for-offensive-coordinator-job/

Hackett was fired by Jax in November. He paid the price for the fact that Blake Bortles sucks.


After the Jags' playoff run last year, Hackett was hailed by some as a coordinator who could coach around Bortles' flaws and milk the most out of the QB. With Leonard Fournette rarely healthy for long stretches, a rag-tag group of receivers, and a flawed, injured offensive line, however, Hackett becomes the scapegoat in Jacksonville after a team with Super Bowl aspirations sits staring at a top-10 pick.

For the record, Jax scored 48 points in 5 games after they fired Hackett.

[Joemailman]

Unlikely they can get Zac Taylor as I don't think the Rams will let him go for a position less than a HC

Report that Taylor is Bengals top choice for HC. They can't hire him until Rams season is over.

[Smidgeon]

Makes me feel slightly better about Hackett.

[pbmax]

I'm only making the point (and this is now not addressing any point you were making) that Martin had maybe 25 targets, and I have no way of knowing, without watching the entire season over again, just how many came from five wide. So it was a thing, just not a big deal. What I find more interesting, looking back, was how Stubby could go from 5 wide to the inverted wishbone on the same set of downs. Not that these formations or Stubby had anything to do with Packer success - we all know that any success was due to Rodgers and luck.

The no huddle deal was really not an improvement, 2014 and 2016 be damned.

[pbmax]

Hackett was fired by Jax in November. He paid the price for the fact that Blake Bortles sucks.



For the record, Jax scored 48 points in 5 games after they fired Hackett.

Him or Monken baby! Find an O line coach that knows Shanahan's offense and go from there. Heck, hire Matt Canada. Don't get stale!

[pbmax]

Gee, I never would have guessed that watching the Season Opener against the Bears.

Its kinda theme since the Capers firing. But I wonder if its just the easy, public version of an excuse. Why was no one complacent in 2014 under the same guys?

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky reports our WR coach is leaving too!! :tup:

Luke Getsy, we hardly knew ye.

[Joemailman]

Best thing about the LaFleur hiring:

Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd don't like the hire.

[Pugger]

Best thing about the LaFleur hiring:

Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd don't like the hire.

If these 3 clowns don't like it then we know we hired the right guy.

[Bretsky]

Best thing about the LaFleur hiring:

Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd don't like the hire.


Dan Patrick, who I really like...was really shocked as well

[Patler]

Luke Getsy, we hardly knew ye.

I think you mean David Raih.
Getsy left last year.

[mraynrand]

I think you mean David Raih.
Getsy left last year.

You're just proving the point :)

[Patler]

You're just proving the point :)

...and apparently we know Raih even less :)

[pbmax]

I think you mean David Raih.
Getsy left last year.

That could not have been an easy job this year. Tough one to break in with.

[pbmax]

So as I remember it, Holmgren's staff came pre-loaded. Sherm Lewis and Gil Haskel were known commodities, with at least Lewis having been with the 49ers with Holmgren. 49ers also supplied him with Rhodes as DC and Rhodes got pretty well known quantities Dick Jauron and Bob Valesente (LB) to signup. I don't know where they got Lovato from, but he was very well regarded at least in retrospect. All the people you know well now, Mooch, Reid, Gruden, were young assistants, with Gruden at quality control and Reid as assistant O line and TE coach.

Sherman and McCarthy, in my memory, struggled to put together staffs and M3 inherited Bob Sanders though that was not his first choice.

All as prelude to ask: when do we start panicking about hiring an OC?

[pbmax]

Best thing about the LaFleur hiring:

Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd don't like the hire.

Such a blessing. Warms my heart.

[Smidgeon]

So as I remember it, Holmgren's staff came pre-loaded. Sherm Lewis and Gil Haskel were known commodities, with at least Lewis having been with the 49ers with Holmgren. 49ers also supplied him with Rhodes as DC and Rhodes got pretty well known quantities Dick Jauron and Bob Valesente (LB) to signup. I don't know where they got Lovato from, but he was very well regarded at least in retrospect. All the people you know well now, Mooch, Reid, Gruden, were young assistants, with Gruden at quality control and Reid as assistant O line and TE coach.

Sherman and McCarthy, in my memory, struggled to put together staffs and M3 inherited Bob Sanders though that was not his first choice.

All as prelude to ask: when do we start panicking about hiring an OC?

I'm not sure on the required timing of panicking (I haven't checked the Packer Rats handbook yet for policy specifications), but I'm definitely personally concerned already. I think that position will be vital, and if it isn't a veteran presence, then it will simply be more unknowns (like the HC himself).

[Cheesehead Craig]

Dude just got hired. Give him a chance to get someone. Sheesh, it's not like the Pack are playing someone anytime soon.

[mraynrand]

Dude just got hired. Give him a chance to get someone. Sheesh, it's not like the Pack are playing someone anytime soon.

Buzz off. I'm panicking

[KYPack]

I'm not sure on the required timing of panicking (I haven't checked the Packer Rats handbook yet for policy specifications), but I'm definitely personally concerned already. I think that position will be vital, and if it isn't a veteran presence, then it will simply be more unknowns (like the HC himself).

I'm pretty sure PR policy is that you can freak out and overreact at any time.

There is no panic that is done "too early".

[Cheesehead Craig]

Buzz off. I'm panicking

Well I'm pancaking instead.

https://www.livewellbakeoften.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Buttermilk-Pancakes-4.jpg

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If these 3 clowns don't like it then we know we hired the right guy.

Stephen A has a man-crush for the Great Arm of Butte. A-Rod is the wrong QB for LaFluer’s O?

Should’ve hired J-Mac.

[esoxx]

I'm not panicking but each day that passes will cause a little more angst. Have to think he has an idea who he wants and was discussed no doubt during interview. Perhaps it's someone still in playoffs and the fog will clear more after this weekend. Perhaps it's going to be Hackett. Perhaps not.

[texaspackerbacker]

Stephen A has a man-crush for the Great Arm of Butte. A-Rod is the wrong QB LaFluer’s O?

Should’ve hired J-Mac.

APB, you're always ranting about getting a non-white coach; Did you notice that "manscaping" pic in the other thread? What do you think about Lafleur's ethnicity? That alone should make you like him hahahahaha.

[pbmax]

Dude just got hired. Give him a chance to get someone. Sheesh, it's not like the Pack are playing someone anytime soon.

In my head, Sherm Lewis and Ray Rhodes sat down in Holmgren's chair and signed their deals immediately after he did.

I am sure this is an accurate representation of the historical record.

[pbmax]

I'm pretty sure PR policy is that you can freak out and overreact at any time.

There is no panic that is done "too early".

In fact, PackerRats might derive from the Latin for: panic already, you are behind schedule

[Anti-Polar Bear]

APB, you're always ranting about getting a non-white coach; Did you notice that "manscaping" pic in the other thread? What do you think about Lafleur's ethnicity? That alone should make you like him hahahahaha.

So you're telling me he's Italian? lol

[Fosco33]

So you're telling me he's Italian? lol

When is Italian not White. Racist pos’s here. Lol

[pbmax]

Rap Sheet
Hackett in GB interviewing for OC.

21 in yards/28 in scoring at time of firing but 5th in scoring last year with Jake Jortles as his QB.

Lot of run focus at the top two Offensive coaching slots.

[mraynrand]

In my head, Sherm Lewis and Ray Rhodes sat down in Holmgren's chair and signed their deals immediately after he did.

I am sure this is an accurate representation of the historical record.

They were both with him at SF, no? Rhodes was the excellent defensive backs coach and Sherm was ---- (I'm checking.... yep, WR coach one year after being RB coach for years ). I seem to remember that in the late 80's and 90's it was more routine to just to take a bunch of assistants with you when you moved up the ladder. Seems there is much more networking now.

[pbmax]

They were both with him at SF, no? Rhodes was the excellent defensive backs coach and Sherm was ---- (I'm checking.... yep, WR coach one year after being RB coach for years ). I seem to remember that in the late 80's and 90's it was more routine to just to take a bunch of assistants with you when you moved up the ladder. Seems there is much more networking now.

There were usually limits on raiding the staff. Two was pretty normal then. Today its often one.

[Bossman641]

When exactly did they change the rules for assistant coaches? I think previously you couldn't block a guy leaving if it was for an increase in title. Now you can block them from leaving for anything but a head coach position?

[pbmax]

When exactly did they change the rules for assistant coaches? I think previously you couldn't block a guy leaving if it was for an increase in title. Now you can block them from leaving for anything but a head coach position?

You could block a lateral move formerly. That was after the teams lost the total control they had if you were under a contract.

Then teams got all creative with titles (passing game coordinator, assistant head coach, etc) so they changed the rule to allow blocking if under contract again. HC is the exception as is GM with total control and final roster say.

[pbmax]

Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski

Once a head coaching candidate for the #Packers, can confirm former #Buccaneers OC Todd Monken will now get his shot to interview with Matt LaFleur for that position in Green Bay.


Sweet.

[pbmax]

Rap Sheet
Hackett in GB interviewing for OC.

21 in yards/28 in scoring at time of firing but 5th in scoring last year with Jake Jortles as his QB.

Lot of run focus at the top two Offensive coaching slots.


Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty
Nathanial Hackett is Paul Hackett's son. Paul Hackett was Mike McCarthy's mentor at U of Pitt (1989-92) and with KC Chiefs ('93 thru '97). Paul Hackett worked for Bill Walsh in SF, as did Mike Shanahan, who was LaFleur's boss in Washington (2010-13).

[pbmax]

LaFleur on the radio

Chris Roth @rothchris
Here's the audio from #Packers HC Matt LaFleur on the radio explaining why he is keeping Mike Pettine as DC. Very self-aware answer, especially the part about having a former head coach on his staff

Mad Dog Sports Radio @MadDogRadio
ICYMI: @Packers HC Matt LaFleur confirms to @AdamSchein that Mike Pettine will be back as defensive coordinator & says Nathaniel Hackett is "certainly on the radar" for his staff

https://twitter.com/MadDogRadio/status/1083797729401286656

[texaspackerbacker]

So you're telling me he's Italian? lol

I never saw a wap with hair like that hahahahaha. I'm thinking Louisiana Cajun with more black DNA than Elizabeth Warren has Cherokee.

[gbgary]

I never saw a wap with hair like that hahahahaha. I'm thinking Louisiana Cajun with more black DNA than Elizabeth Warren has Cherokee.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/Rx7Q70zI2fI/AAAAAAAAAkY/COxX74GM9R0/s400/lombardi_college_big.jpg

lol at the Warren comment.

[gbgary]

When is Italian not White. Racist pos’s here. Lol

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/Rx7Q70zI2fI/AAAAAAAAAkY/COxX74GM9R0/s400/lombardi_college_big.jpg

Vince could have told you some stories.

[mraynrand]

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty
Nathanial Hackett is Paul Hackett's son. Paul Hackett was Mike McCarthy's mentor at U of Pitt (1989-92) and with KC Chiefs ('93 thru '97). Paul Hackett worked for Bill Walsh in SF, as did Mike Shanahan, who was LaFleur's boss in Washington (2010-13).

I was expecting, ultimately, a connection to Buddy Hackett.

[mraynrand]

I never saw a wap with hair like that hahahahaha. I'm thinking Louisiana Cajun with more black DNA than Elizabeth Warren has Cherokee.

It's like 23andMe hired Archie Bunker.

[Patler]

I think you mean David Raih.
Getsy left last year.


That could not have been an easy job this year. Tough one to break in with.

There was an article toward the end of the season quoting the typical unidentified "insiders" as saying that Raih was the weak link on the coaching staff, that he didn't have a good grasp of all the details of the offense himself, let alone the ability to bring the rookies up to speed quickly. Odd, since he was in GB for a number of seasons in other positions before taking over the WRs.

[Smidgeon]

Whitt out.

Pagano to Bears DC.

[Joemailman]

Mildly surprised that Whitt is out. I wonder the level of influence that Pettine has now in choosing the defensive staff. Was this a Pettine decision or a LaFleur decision?

[pbmax]

I was expecting, ultimately, a connection to Buddy Hackett.


http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/948eaf92-f6a6-4248-9080-4f8b6bedce15/4864cd6e-7ffd-4e3f-be08-b3efcb8cc109.jpg

[pbmax]

There was an article toward the end of the season quoting the typical unidentified "insiders" as saying that Raih was the weak link on the coaching staff, that he didn't have a good grasp of all the details of the offense himself, let alone the ability to bring the rookies up to speed quickly. Odd, since he was in GB for a number of seasons in other positions before taking over the WRs.

The one thing I don't understand (even the Patriots operate this way) is the eagerness to promote quality control guys to position coaches.

Remember Jimmy Robinson? Spent a career learning how to teach WR position to players. How do Luke Getsy and Raih compete with that?

Does the change in offense and reduced time for drills in practice simply mean that players no longer work on that kind of detail?

Patriots always promote their QC guys, so this is not just a McCarthy thing.

[pbmax]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Whitt out. He specialized in teaching man coverage to CBs. Could be interesting.

[pbmax]

Apologies if a repeat, I did not see it posted here.

Green Bay Packers @packers
#Packers retain Mike Pettine as defensive coordinator

��: https://pckrs.com/e5m5b

[mraynrand]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Whitt out. He specialized in teaching man coverage to CBs. Could be interesting.

Time to get the predator

[Pugger]

Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski

Once a head coaching candidate for the #Packers, can confirm former #Buccaneers OC Todd Monken will now get his shot to interview with Matt LaFleur for that position in Green Bay.


Sweet.

But will he want the job if he isn't calling the plays?

[Pugger]

Mildly surprised that Whitt is out. I wonder the level of influence that Pettine has now in choosing the defensive staff. Was this a Pettine decision or a LaFleur decision?

Maybe a mutual decision so Whitt can pursue a DC job somewhere?

[mraynrand]

But will he want the job if he isn't calling the plays?

Maybe we overthink this play calling stuff. By Sunday, with all their charts and game-planning, it seems these guys have every down and distance and game-situation dissected to the point that there's really only a few actual plays they might call for the particular situation, especially if they don't call stuff they haven't practiced sufficiently. So maybe Flour would call play #1 on the chart and Monkey would call #2. They can argue for 10 seconds over the headsets and then send it in to Rodgers who will just check out of whatever they called anyway to THROWING DA BOMB!!!

[pbmax]

^ I agree. That is why i am hoping either Hackett or Monken convince him (probably unlikely) to give this up and manage the team. A HC has more important game management decisions than play calling ones.

[Bretsky]

^ I agree. That is why i am hoping either Hackett or Monken convince him (probably unlikely) to give this up and manage the team. A HC has more important game management decisions than play calling ones.

I WANT THE MONKEY !!!!!!!! Bring him to GB; it will make what I consider...a....well....I can live with that ok hire a bit bettter

[pbmax]

Packers might lose Campen to the Browns, which also indicates he might have been allowed to interview with the Browns so the parting would be voluntary.

I put the odds of the new coach being better than McCarthy at 30%. One of the reasons is that the two guys who just left were very successful and you need to find good people to fill those spots in a hurry. I suspected Campen might be on his way out because while McCarthy started out ZBS and still runs some zone (inside and outside), the Shanahan offense is predicated (from run to pass) on making run plays look like passes and vice versa. So it'll be whatever the updated version of ZBS is and that might necessitate a new O line coach.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
#Packers May lose longtime offensive line coach James Campen to #Browns, per @RobDemovsky. As Rob points out, Packers would’ve had to give Campen permission to interview in Cleveland, lending credence to the idea that they want a fresh start from longtime McCarthy lieutenants.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwt04AiVYAI9hcL.jpg

[esoxx]

Gotta imagine Shanny would let the dude's brother leave to coach with his bro.

No brah, SF has now denied permission for Mike to be with his bro.

[esoxx]

Packers might lose Campen to the Browns, which also indicates he might have been allowed to interview with the Browns so the parting would be voluntary.

I put the odds of the new coach being better than McCarthy at 30%. One of the reasons is that the two guys who just left were very successful and you need to find good people to fill those spots in a hurry. I suspected Campen might be on his way out because while McCarthy started out ZBS and still runs some zone (inside and outside), the Shanahan offense is predicated (from run to pass) on making run plays look like passes and vice versa. So it'll be whatever the updated version of ZBS is and that might necessitate a new O line coach.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
#Packers May lose longtime offensive line coach James Campen to #Browns, per @RobDemovsky. As Rob points out, Packers would’ve had to give Campen permission to interview in Cleveland, lending credence to the idea that they want a fresh start from longtime McCarthy lieutenants.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwt04AiVYAI9hcL.jpg

I have also heard Vikings are extremely interested in Campen.

[bobblehead]

When is Italian not White. Racist pos’s here. Lol

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I hear you can ask Dennis Hopper about it.

[bobblehead]

Time to get the predator

Still one of my all time faves. Not sure he can teach as I haven't really followed his coaching career. I am pretty sure he could still lock down any receiver in the NFC North though.

[bobblehead]

Packers might lose Campen to the Browns, which also indicates he might have been allowed to interview with the Browns so the parting would be voluntary.

I put the odds of the new coach being better than McCarthy at 30%. One of the reasons is that the two guys who just left were very successful and you need to find good people to fill those spots in a hurry. I suspected Campen might be on his way out because while McCarthy started out ZBS and still runs some zone (inside and outside), the Shanahan offense is predicated (from run to pass) on making run plays look like passes and vice versa. So it'll be whatever the updated version of ZBS is and that might necessitate a new O line coach.




Is Alex Gibbs still alive?

[Teamcheez1]

For all the hand wringing and bitching on this forum about the O line and defensive backfield, we sure seem to be concerned about losing the two coaches of the weakest links.

[mraynrand]

For all the hand wringing and bitching on this forum about the O line and defensive backfield, we sure seem to be concerned about losing the two coaches of the weakest links.

Maybe it's not the coaches, it's the talent that's the problem. You could even say that Whitt did a pretty good job considering who was playing back there by the end of the season.

Even so, maybe they can do better.

[pbmax]

Still one of my all time faves. Not sure he can teach as I haven't really followed his coaching career. I am pretty sure he could still lock down any receiver in the NFC North though.

Except Plaxico.

[pbmax]

^ I agree. That is why i am hoping either Hackett or Monken convince him (probably unlikely) to give this up and manage the team. A HC has more important game management decisions than play calling ones.

I am not sure if it was a report or an interpretation, but LaFleur’s determination to be play caller cost him a shot at his brother and the passing game coordinator out of SF.

[pbmax]

For all the hand wringing and bitching on this forum about the O line and defensive backfield, we sure seem to be concerned about losing the two coaches of the weakest links.

O line is injured not poorly coached. The last of the Campen holdouts were won over with Bach and Taylor claiming starting jobs.

Whitt might have whiffed on Randall or Rollins but each of his other charges have gotten better. He was not in charge of safeties during the miscommunication years.

I will say I am not convinced Whitt is the entire solution or D coordinator material. He has had talented players and we don’t know enough about his film or scheme work. But he has has success at his position of authority.

[esoxx]

Probably best to flush the stank that has emanated from the bowels of the Packers the last few years.

Too many turds in the punch bowl.

[pbmax]

I do have a criticism of Campen. Lot of team confusion even with the starters versus overload blitz fakes with a stunt to get 2 or three blocking 1 guy and it took half the season to figure it out.

[Rutnstrut]

Except Plaxico.



It was a severely hobbled Plax at that.

[Joemailman]

Murphy said LaFleur was the best prepared of all the candidates. I suspect part of that was discussing putting together a coaching staff. I'm glad he doesn't feel he needs to keep MM's long-time assistants. The man has a plan.

[Smidgeon]

Murphy said LaFleur was the best prepared of all the candidates. I suspect part of that was discussing putting together a coaching staff. I'm glad he doesn't feel he needs to keep MM's long-time assistants. The man has a plan.

Preparedness is key. I like that.