Official NFL Draft Day 2 Thread

[Bretsky]

This place is suddenly dead, too much alcohol? That would be my reason. Vikings on the clock, Packers in about 5 picks.

Excitement has been Gutebaganized

[RashanGary]

They overdrafted him here; what was Rashan Gary's RAS last year ? Not comparing the two. Gary was another Gutebag pick. But I'm not signing any praises here. He's fine, but many others there would have helped us more.

That RB is a football purists dream! Stop it!!!

[Bretsky]

Cowboys just killing this draft. I never thought Lamb would be there in the 1st round, Diggs was a solid zone corner in the 2nd round, and Gallimore is a DL that I like a lot. Ugh!

Yup they are killing it. Dan Patrick was discussing how Dallas had Lamb at the 6th best player in the draft and they shit themselves when he slipped

[Bretsky]

That RB is a football purists dream! Stop it!!!


He's got the measurables....aka.....Rashan

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Vikings are now drafting guys I don't like. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing. The Jason Spriggs clone at OT and the CB with 4.64 speed.

[RashanGary]

He's got the measurables....aka.....Rashan

He's a thug!!!! A bus!

[Deputy Nutz]

Pats move ahead of the Packers again.

[Joemailman]

Adam Trautman a possibility for Packers?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Asiasi is a guy I really like. He was the consensus #8 TE. I had him much higher. Maybe the best all around TE in this class. NE makes him the second TE taken. I was hoping he might fall and we could snatch him later. Kmet, Trautman, Harrison Bryant, and Asiasi are about the only TEs that I had major interest in. Hopkins would be there also, but he has below average hands.

[Bretsky]

TRADE the pick and call it a night. Pick up a 4th and another 6th

Duvernay ?

[Guiness]

Why is Goddell still announcing the picks¿
Someone with a little more energy would be good, and he certainly looks like he doesn't want to be doing this any longer

[texaspackerbacker]

damn

[Bretsky]

TRADE the pick and call it a night. Pick up a 4th and another 6th

Duvernay ?


NOW THAT SHIT IS FUNNY

About 60 seconds after I type in his name Baltimore drafts him.

[Deputy Nutz]

Duvernay is gone. I liked him, so did Texaspackerbacker, god rest his soul

He is alive!!!

[Bretsky]

damn


Gutebag wasn't drafting him any ways Tex; in the words of TT we're fine there :))

[RashanGary]

Why is Goddell still announcing the picks¿
Someone with a little more energy would be good, and he certainly looks like he doesn't want to be doing this any longer

His monotone is maddening. I agree.

[Deputy Nutz]

Peoples-Jones!

[HarveyWallbangers]

WR Tyler Johnson, Gandy-Golden, Nutz's guy Peoples-Jones, or Proche
OT Lucas Niang, Ben Bartch, Prince Tega, or Charles
DT McTelvin Agim, Leki Fotu
ILB Troy Dye, ADG, Malik Harrison
CB Bryce Hall, Reggie Robinson, Troy Pride, Darnay Holmes

[Deputy Nutz]

Ravens crushing this draft, on paper.

[RashanGary]

I don't really want a developmental OL or DL, but that's probably what were getting

[jmbarnes101]

Niang or the Liberty WR? I think I’d be okay with either.

[Bretsky]

Peoples-Jones!


ya, this is probably it for sure

[RashanGary]

WR Tyler Johnson, Gandy-Golden, Nutz's guy Peoples-Jones, or Proche
OT Lucas Niang, Ben Bartch, Prince Tega, or Charles
DT McTelvin Agim, Leki Fotu
ILB Troy Dye, ADG, Malik Harrison
CB Bryce Hall, Reggie Robinson, Troy Pride, Darnay Holmes

ILB would be cool

[Deputy Nutz]

I only like Peoples-Jones because I know how much the pick would cause Bretsky to lose his shit.

[RashanGary]

ya, this is probably it for sure

I've learned from Gary. I'll throw a fit with you!

[Bretsky]

Ravens crushing this draft, on paper.



They've sent us the Thank you cards for round one.

On paper they are getting a ton of players many in here wanted

[Deputy Nutz]

Niang, or the Prince.

[Bretsky]

I only like Peoples-Jones because I know how much the pick would cause Bretsky to lose his shit.


another underachieving f'ck from Michigan :))

[RashanGary]

It's frustrating that less than half of our 1-3 round picks pan out. How can you study that hard and still get it wrong half the time

[Bretsky]

value wise, it's gotta be OL

So we're probably taking somebody in the secondary

I want to trade the pick and just call it a day til tomorrow

[Deputy Nutz]

Did anyone see the Browns coach adjust his shaft on camera? It was awesome

[Bretsky]

It's frustrating that less than half of our 1-3 round picks pan out. How can you study that hard and still get it wrong half the time



Rodgers has been carrying this team on his back for too long.

[Bretsky]

WOW

54 Percent of plays at WR were taken from undrafted WR's for Green Bay; crazy stat

[RashanGary]

I liked the Titans last year. Bet on them a few times cuz I thought they were underrated. Not sure they're gonna improve tho. Lost some good players. Added a few in the draft. But they seem to be about equal to a year ago

[Bretsky]

just trade it

[Rastak]

TE to the Pack

[Deputy Nutz]

I am going to say Troy Pride from ND

[Bretsky]

Joshiah Deguardiola. Interesting.

[RashanGary]

Asiasi is a guy I really like. He was the consensus #8 TE. I had him much higher. Maybe the best all around TE in this class. NE makes him the second TE taken. I was hoping he might fall and we could snatch him later. Kmet, Trautman, Harrison Bryant, and Asiasi are about the only TEs that I had major interest in. Hopkins would be there also, but he has below average hands.

Josiah ******

What u think? Good for Love a few years from now?

[Deputy Nutz]

What a fucking reach

[RashanGary]

just trade it

Lol!!!!!!!

[George Cumby]

FML

[RashanGary]

What a fucking reach

You watched him??

[Deputy Nutz]

H-Back

[Bretsky]

What a fucking reach


This might be our best pick so far

[SMBASS]

This has become criminal.

[Bretsky]

WHO WANTS TO BE IN CHARGE OF POSTING EACH TEAM ROUNDS 1-3 picks ? Would be fun to compare.

[Deputy Nutz]

You watched him??

I hate the word reach. I think he offers some positional flexibility as a y-off, some inline blocking, or as a sniffer.

Newsflash, the Packers board doesn't match mine.

[RashanGary]

Packers want to run the ball

[Joemailman]

JOSIAH DEGUARA
TE, Cincinnati

CONF American Athletic - East JERSEY #83 CLASS RS Senior HT 6'3" DOB 02/14/1997 WT 245 lbs

PROS: Versatile blocker and receiver. Can win both in-line and flexed as a receiver with experience running routes to all levels of the field. Like his route pace and timing - showcases a strong understanding of reading coverage and adjusting on the fly. Vertical route running skills are excellent. Does well to execute seamless vertical cuts and selling them. Good balance and posture as a route runner. Has proven to be an effective seam-busting target with excellent ball skills. Natural tracking and adjusting skills to the football in the air. Hands are soft and secure. Illustrates the ability to consistently catch the football outside of this frame while tightly holding on through contact. Finds success working in space as a positional blocker. Overall blocking effort is outstanding. Has enough juice, decisiveness and physicality to be effective after the catch. Outstanding competitor.

CONS: Modest physical traits in terms of size, length and athletic ability - fairly ordinary across the board. Needs to get stronger to find success blocking in the trenches at the next level. He competes hard but his lack of strength, length and consistency staying square are limiting as a blocker. Not a true above the rim guy that is going to extend his catch radius vertically or a candidate for jump ball opportunities.

BEST TRAIT - Competitive Toughness

WORST TRAIT - Pedestrian Physical Ability

RED FLAGS - None

NFL COMP - Tyler Conklin

Pop on Josiah Deguara’s tape and you will immediately appreciate his competitive toughness. Whether it’s exchanging power in the trenches, competing with the ball in his hands, trailing plays as they elongate down the field to hit a block or busting his ass to tackle an intercepting defender, he brings the juice. Deguara brings a balanced skill set to the table in terms of blocking and receiving where he’s been productive on both fronts in college. The challenge with Deguara and forecasting him at the next level is that he has pedestrian physical gifts and isn’t dominant in any one area. With that said, his proficiency in multiple areas profiles him well as a TE2 that should provide valuable depth and meaningful special teams contributions to his NFL team. His ceiling is modest but his floor is high. .

[pittstang5]

This has been the most laughable Packer draft ever. Who the hell is this TE...I had to do a google search for him cause none of the draft prospect sites I had open had him listed.

[Deputy Nutz]

I assume they are shifting towards more what Lafluer was installing in Tennessee.

[GB-Brandon]

A Vitale replacement in round 3?

We don’t even have a no.2 receiver but yet we’re drafting 2nd option RB’e and H-backs with top picks. Not to mention a back up QB.

This is beyond a disaster. If anyone here doesn’t believe the rebuild and re-set has started then you will never get it.

[Bretsky]

I hate the word reach. I think he offers some positional flexibility as a y-off, some inline blocking, or as a sniffer.

Newsflash, the Packers board doesn't match mine.



Honestly it seems like a lot of the NFL GM's draft boards are very similar to yours. Just not Green Bay's

[Deputy Nutz]

I mean if I did the grading nonsense that people flock to after the draft I would give the Packers a D, but I don't do support that.

[RashanGary]

That's a high pick for a RB and a high pick for a H back.

Lafleur wants to run the ball outside and mix in those boots real bad.

Gonna be interesting to see if they can put it together. You can envision some real nifty run/pass looks with the versatility, but you can envision it all flopping too.

[GB-Brandon]

They passed on Niang for a Fucken H-Back.

Yep. Rodgers is getting traded. There going to some power run game formation. Love will be playing sooner then later.

#4-12

[Bretsky]

A Vitale replacement in round 3?

We don’t even have a no.2 receiver but yet we’re drafting 2nd option RB’e and H-backs with top picks. Not to mention a back up QB.

This is beyond a disaster. If anyone here doesn’t believe the rebuild and re-set has started then you will never get it.



All three picks and what we gave up for them or where they were picked at are laughable.

ELIOTT WOLF ANYBODY ????????

[George Cumby]

Packers want to run the ball

Yup.

[Smidgeon]

Now this feels like a Ted draft.

Finally, one that makes no sense. Back to the formula that works.

Actually laughed out loud on that one.

Well, it was an involuntary half-snort.

[RashanGary]

A Vitale replacement in round 3?

We don’t even have a no.2 receiver but yet we’re drafting 2nd option RB’e and H-backs with top picks. Not to mention a back up QB.

This is beyond a disaster. If anyone here doesn’t believe the rebuild and re-set has started then you will never get it.

I think it's more a shift to a new offensive philosophy. Sternberger and this 3rd round H back better pan out.

[Bretsky]

I mean if I did the grading nonsense that people flock to after the draft I would give the Packers a D, but I don't do support that.


Well I give you a lot of credit; a lot of your analysis is spot on with where other GM's are taking these guys

It's like Gutebag is on coke or something; he's just out there.

Once upon a time we had a competent TT and a lot of great scouts. I think they are gone

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers does not fit what these guys want to do.

[Rastak]

They passed on Niang for a Fucken H-Back.

Yep. Rodgers is getting traded. There going to some power run game formation. Love will be playing sooner then later.

#4-12


They can't trade him this year and you know it. Next year, perhaps.

[GB-Brandon]

Yeah and everyone told me I was overeating yesterday:

This is worse then some of Thompson’s worst drafts.

[Bretsky]

I think it's more a shift to a new offensive philosophy. Sternberger and this 3rd round H back better pan out.

We have so many flippin if's on this roster and we're hanging them all out to dry

IF if plus if plus if plus if plus if plus if all magically improve from within we'll be fine there

[Bretsky]

F'ckin Ravens. I LOVE their draft

[GB-Brandon]

They can't trade him this year and you know it. Next year, perhaps.

Yep. Next year he is gone. This team will be lucky to win 8 games this year and it will only go down from there.

[esoxx]

This kid has a chance to contribute this year on special teams.

Special teams just got slightly better.

Maybe

[Deputy Nutz]

You can't really judge the last two picks right now. They could turn into complete studs. The Love pick is tough to wrap your head around as he was the 4th qb on just about everyone's board and the the QB board isn't all that deep or great this year.

[GB-Brandon]

F'ckin Ravens. I LOVE their draft

Yeah, Harrison would of filled another hole but we need an H-Back.

It’s laughable. It’s like there throwing the draft.

[Bretsky]

Patrick Queen and Maliq Harrison
JK Dobbins and Devin Duversay
and Justin Madubuike

They can shut the draft down now

[Rastak]

Yep. Next year he is gone. This team will be lucky to win 8 games this year and it will only go down from there.


We shall see if they play any games. I think they may. Gonna be an interesting year.

[mraynrand]

This kid has a chance to contribute this year on special teams.

Special teams just got slightly better.

Maybe

He has better knees than Jimmy Graham.

[RashanGary]

Alexander/King/Amos/Savage gonna evolve into a cohesive group. The young guys up front too. Kirksey and company at ILB is a bit of a worry.

I like the defense being more sturdy as they evolve into a veteran group for the most part. But injuries could kill that too.



Offense is starting to show a new mold. Big, blocking WRs. A high pick H back. A very high pick for a zone runner. Sternberger. We gon be running the ball. That looks obvious. Let's see how it goes .

[GB-Brandon]

Out of 3 rounds of drafting the only real impact they have created is some Dillion bowling ball runs.

Not enough to compete. Like I shared Gute wasn’t the right guy for this job. It’s over.

[Smidgeon]

Everyone thought Collins was a major reach in the 2nd. Like Nutz said, it takes some time to judge the picks.

[RashanGary]

Lazard, Funchess, EW and MVS are gonna play. Let's hope they develop.

Sternberger is gonna play. Let's hope he develops.

That's a really high pick for a zone runner AND another really high pick for a HBack. They better pan out.

We gonna be running the ball and using various play action, RPO and zone/boot concepts, that is clear.

[George Cumby]

Everyone thought Collins was a major reach in the 2nd. Like Nutz said, it takes some time to judge the picks.

Yup. Three years.

[MadtownPacker]

What if Rodgers goes down and the Love Machine comes in and goes on a tear?


https://youtu.be/GyABcyYluyw

[Bretsky]

Out of 3 rounds of drafting the only real impact they have created is some Dillion bowling ball runs.

Not enough to compete. Like I shared Gute wasn’t the right guy for this job. It’s over.



Now I've patented that for years in here. OF COURSE, I was a big fan of Eliott Wolf and while I wanted him as our GM I'm not even sure where he is now.

I'd take him the last two days though

[SMBASS]

Trading Rodgers for all the draft picks in the world doesn't mean crap if you're just going to continue to piss away the picks the way the Packers have over the last 5-7 years.

[Bretsky]

Lazard, Funchess, EW and MVS are gonna play. Let's hope they develop.

Sternberger is gonna play. Let's hope he develops.

That's a really high pick for a zone runner AND another really high pick for a HBack. They better pan out.

We gonna be running the ball and using various play action, RPO and zone/boot concepts, that is clear.



I'd sure glad we have the stud fulled OL to run the ball down San Francisco and New Orleans throats

[RashanGary]

I'm so curious to see how MLF uses the big blocking WRs who actually have some experience now, along with the deep stable of running backs, the high pick HBack and Sternberger. There's a chance it could be real hard to get a read on that type of run/pass personnel.

[Deputy Nutz]

Dalton Keene was my guy. Good pick for the Pats.

[Bretsky]

ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE



We gave away our 4th round pick so deep down we can relax and consider that one successful

[wist43]

Alexander/King/Amos/Savage gonna evolve into a cohesive group. The young guys up front too. Kirksey and company at ILB is a bit of a worry.

I like the defense being more sturdy as they evolve into a veteran group for the most part. But injuries could kill that too.



Offense is starting to show a new mold. Big, blocking WRs. A high pick H back. A very high pick for a zone runner. Sternberger. We gon be running the ball. That looks obvious. Let's see how it goes .

They're planning on playing Burks at ILB - he can't play. At all.

Lancaster is a street FA on the DL and he's our #2 DL.

We have 1 WR, and our TE's aren't going to scare anyone.

Pretty sure Gute fired himself and Lefluer with this draft.

[RashanGary]

I'd sure glad we have the stud fulled OL to run the ball down San Francisco and New Orleans throats

A part of it is the run/pass uncertainty. It keeps DL tentative. Keeps LBs and Safeties on their heels too, not overcommitting.

[Bretsky]

I'm so curious to see how MLF uses the big blocking WRs who actually have some experience now, along with the deep stable of running backs, the high pick HBack and Sternberger. There's a chance it could be real hard to get a read on that type of run/pass personnel.


They won't have to use any extra DB's to cover our guys.......haha

[Deputy Nutz]

They're planning on playing Burks at ILB - he can't play. At all.

Lancaster is a street FA on the DL and he's our #2 DL.

We have 1 WR, and our TE's aren't going to scare anyone.

Pretty sure Gute fired himself and Lefluer with this draft.

But Lafluer makes the girls cream their jeans!

[QBME]

Out of 3 rounds of drafting the only real impact they have created is some Dillion bowling ball runs.

Not enough to compete. Like I shared Gute wasn’t the right guy for this job. It’s over.

Well, if it’s over, then it’s over. We sincerely appreciate all your contributions and thank you for all your contributions. Wish you well in your future endeavors.

[GB-Brandon]

Good Day Today. Another Solid “F”

[Bretsky]

A part of it is the run/pass uncertainty. It keeps DL tentative. Keeps LBs and Safeties on their heels too, not overcommitting.


We're going to have to hope teams start cutting players so Gutebag can sign some more free agents. Regardless of how cute you want to be if your talent is overmatched it won't be consistent

[call_me_ishmael]

This is a strange draft in my opinion. Amazingly, they seem to be the one team in the NFL getting slower. They also seem to try to be the opposite of the Ravens, where they have great success because they stick to a formula. I really dislike picking all of these weirdly size/speed players from weird schools. Stick to the big few schools and get the big time players.

[Deputy Nutz]

There goes Davon Taylor LB from Colorado

[GB-Brandon]

But don’t worry anyone. We have Rashan Gary and Jordan Love to develop.

[Rastak]

Vikings trading out.


edit:


Courtney Cronin
@CourtneyRCronin
·
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The Vikings traded the 105th pick to New Orleans in exchange for Nos. 130, 169, 203, 244

[Deputy Nutz]

Good Day Today. Another Solid “F”

You sound like my Astronomy Professor

[GB-Brandon]

Well, if it’s over, then it’s over. We sincerely appreciate all your contributions and thank you for all your contributions. Wish you well in your future endeavors.

So do you like watching runny shit or thick shit?

What’s your favorite kind of shit to eat?

[wthigoot]

Vikings trading out.


edit:


Courtney Cronin
@CourtneyRCronin
·
9s
The Vikings traded the 105th pick to New Orleans in exchange for Nos. 130, 169, 203, 244

Saints going home?

[Deputy Nutz]

So do you like watching runny shit or thick shit?

What’s your favorite kind of shit to eat?


Thats a good question, depending on the day I prefer shit from people that eat a lot of berries.

[Bretsky]

Vikings trading out.


edit:


Courtney Cronin
@CourtneyRCronin
·
9s
The Vikings traded the 105th pick to New Orleans in exchange for Nos. 130, 169, 203, 244


WOW; that's a lot to get back

[RashanGary]

Rick Wagner is actually an upgrade as a zone blocker to Bulaga.

Turner can zone block

Lindsley is prideful enough to be servicable

Jenkins can zone block

Bakh is prideful enough to be servicable


We have the OL to run outside zone. We have the running back now. We have an HBack who's specialty is blocking in space and Sternberger who is actually kinda fierce with his blocking attitude.

We have the WRs to seal the edges.

We are gonna see a lot more outside zone and a good amount of RPO and play action. Very diverse and unpredictable offense

[Deputy Nutz]

Minnesota getting better

[esoxx]

Adam Trautman off the board.

Little known fact, he is the grandson of Colonel Trautman from the movie "First Blood"

[GB-Brandon]

Some dumbasses said -R-E-L-A-X and it was gonna get better today?

Who? With Loser GM Gute?

[Deputy Nutz]

Adam Trautman off the board.

Little known fact, he is the grandson of Colonel Trautman from the movie "First Blood"

All lies

[Bretsky]

Rick Wagner is actually an upgrade as a zone blocker to Bulaga.

Turner can zone block

Lindsley is prideful enough to be servicable

Jenkins can zone block

Bakh is prideful enough to be servicable


We have the OL to run outside zone. We have the running back now. We have an HBack who's specialty is blocking in space and Sternberger who is actually kinda fierce with his blocking attitude.

We have the WRs to seal the edges.

We are gonna see a lot more outside zone and a good amount of RPO and play action. Very diverse and unpredictable offense



WHATTT ???

[RashanGary]

This is moving toward that new scheme. Lafleur did a good job flexing last year cuz he didn't have the horses to run his stuff, but the offense is gonna change. That is clear. More toward the SF/Minn/old Denver look

[call_me_ishmael]

Thats a good question, depending on the day I prefer shit from people that eat a lot of berries.

Opened thread to this. Lol what the hell did I just read ��

[RashanGary]

WHATTT ???

Bulaga is better pass pro, but clumsy on the move

[Bretsky]

Minnesota getting better



The Ravens follow your boards

[Deputy Nutz]

Ravens gonna kill it?

For their gap scheme not a bad pick, little high for my blood.

[GB-Brandon]

Minnesota getting better

Just about everyone getting better.

Packers “Getting Worse”

[Bretsky]

Bulaga is better pass pro, but clumsy on the move

I like Wagner; he's a former Badger. But he's not better than Bulaga at anything IMO. Wagner is serviceable. He might stick for two years. But at his best he's average and sometimes not that good

[Deputy Nutz]

Just about everyone getting better.

Packers “Getting Worse”

Not my problem.

[Deputy Nutz]

Opened thread to this. Lol what the hell did I just read ��

Better texture, and it smells better

[RashanGary]

For a lot of years we had pass blockers as OL who were pass blockers first, second and third. Now we're going toward more balanced guys up front. We drafted an H back high and a zone runner high. It's not the shove the pass down their throats offense were used to, but let's see how it works.

[Rastak]

Just about everyone getting better.

Packers “Getting Worse”


How the fuck do you get worse? If the team adds nothing then they are the same, not worse.

[Deputy Nutz]

Put draft day 2 to bed. Packers leave fans dumbfounded. ..... . . .

https://media1.tenor.com/images/da74b10b17a8191d41e03e38bcea4bd6/tenor.gif?itemid=10742417

[Bretsky]

HOODY GENIUS HAS ABOUT THE BEST LOOKING DOG I'VE EVER SEEN..........SITTING IN HIS CHAIR WITH THE LAPTOP

[mgordo]

4 3rd rounders for the Ravens? It feels like they had every other pick.. They killed it.

[QBME]

Thats a good question, depending on the day I prefer shit from people that eat a lot of berries.

Wasn’t sure how to respond, but this was outstanding!
Me thinks there is some angst management issues afoot.

[Rastak]

Vikings have 13 picks tomorrow.......wtf is that? Seems crazy to me.

[Bretsky]

For a lot of years we had pass blockers as OL who were pass blockers first, second and third. Now we're going toward more balanced guys up front. We drafted an H back high and a zone runner high. It's not the shove the pass down their throats offense were used to, but let's see how it works.


We don't have the offensive line personnell to do this. WE don't have the Titans OL of two years ago when MattyLaf ruined Mariotta but got the runnning game going.

[RashanGary]

Our receivers block their asses off too. We're getting ready to run the damn ball

[Bretsky]

Vikings have 13 picks tomorrow.......wtf is that? Seems crazy to me.

maybe you can have ours too and we'll take whoever you cut .........LOL

[QBME]

Put draft day 2 to bed. Packers leave fans dumbfounded. ..... . . .

https://media1.tenor.com/images/da74b10b17a8191d41e03e38bcea4bd6/tenor.gif?itemid=10742417


Good Burger rules!!

[Bretsky]

[QUOTE=RashanGary;1058222]Our receivers block their asses off too. We're getting ready to run the damn ball[/QUOT

They better cause besides Adams they don't get open

[RashanGary]

We don't have the offensive line personnell to do this. WE don't have the Titans OL of two years ago when MattyLaf ruined Mariotta but got the runnning game going.

I really like our OL. Good veteran group. Top 10 for sure

[Rastak]

Night guys.....see ya tomorrow.

[Deputy Nutz]

The best and first way to build a roster is with solid quality blocking from your receivers!

[RashanGary]

Pff had the Packers sixth last year. Sixth best OL

[Vincenzo]

This is a good one:

“ Pretty sure Gute fired himself and Lefluer with this draft.”

[Deputy Nutz]

I really like our OL. Good veteran group. Top 10 for sure

You are the most optimistic drunk I have ever been around.

[RashanGary]

The best and first way to build a roster is with solid quality blocking from your receivers!

It's part of outside zone runs and all runs

[Bretsky]

I really like our OL. Good veteran group. Top 10 for sure


Were we top 10 last year ? I honestly don't know. We might have been. We're not better. McGinnn did a nice grade out of each one of them. We have a whole lotta average on that OL. There is a really good OG fro UW Madison still out there who will be a solid OG in the NFL I think I'd take him over any of our draft picks so far...lol

[Bretsky]

It's part of outside zone runs and all runs

Dude if you were an Eskimo you could sell yourself an ice cubs

But as an Eskimo I'm not buying your ice cube

[Deputy Nutz]

Biadasz is so beat to shit, I am not sure how much his body has left.

[wthigoot]

#192 from Raiders for T. Davis is now showing as Detroit. Was there a trade?

Must have been seeing things. Now it's back.

[Bretsky]

Pff had the Packers sixth last year. Sixth best OL

Fair enough

But keep in mind we downgraded. As an OT Bulaga is probably an 8 and Wagner a 5. Assume a bit of improvement from the 2nd yr guy. Upside of the others is pretty minimal. But they'll be ok.

But our blue chip players on offense are Rodgers, Jones, and Adams. And part of Jones being elite is as a pass catcher.

So if the strategy is to take the ball out of 2 of the 3 playmakers hands more, and pound the ball and play great defense (Raven Like) and you think we have the personall for that.....I would replay....You got Gutebagged

[Bretsky]

Biadasz is so beat to shit, I am not sure how much his body has left.



Well that's a good point; they pound their OL at the UW

[KYPack]

J DEGUARA played very little H-Back for UC. Luke Fickell, UC head coach is a solid college coach and has me watching Cincy again. I plan on going to a UC game this fall. Deguara is a a classic in line Y. He would play in tight or sometimes in a 3 -4 yard split. He's the kind of grinder that loves to hit TE.

He had one play last season that kind of defined his play. He ran a dig route, but the QB threw a pick to the other side of the field. Deguara hustled his ass off, chased the DB and caused a fumble. UC recovered the fumble and went on to win the ball game.

At the time it happened, I thought " I hope the Pack picks him up as a CFA". I didn't think this kid would be our 3rd rnd pick, but now he is. He loves to hit and is a hustler. I'll take him. He's an old school hard-nosed football player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ugh! Like Dillon, I liked Deguara more than most. He was the consensus 13th best TE by the boards I looked at. I had him 8th, and I may have had him higher if I didn't want to look like a fool. My scouting with these guys was pretty good. However, Dillon felt like third round value and we took him in the second. Deguara felt like fourth round value and we took him in the third. The draft is getting worse by the pick. Dillon might have been early, but he and Moss were my next up. I like Deguara enough, but not ahead of Trautman and Harrison Bryant.

This feels like a disaster of a draft, and the only thing to save it is Jordan Love becoming a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

[Bretsky]

Ugh! Like Dillon, I liked Deguara more than most. He was the consensus 13th best TE by the boards I looked at. I had him 8th, and I may have had him higher if I didn't want to look like a fool. My scouting with these guys was pretty good. However, Dillon felt like third round value and we took him in the second. Deguara felt like fourth round value and we took him in the third. The draft is getting worse by the pick. Dillon might have been early, but he and Moss were my next up. I like Deguara enough, but not ahead of Trautman and Harrison Bryant.

This feels like a disaster of a draft, and the only thing to save it is Jordan Love becoming a Pro Bowl caliber QB.



good analysis

[RashanGary]

Dude if you were an Eskimo you could sell yourself an ice cubs

But as an Eskimo I'm not buying your ice cube

Lol!!!! Look, let's see what they do!

They're very specialized pieces. A freaking HBack and a zone runner. Let's see how they put it together. And the QB is a firey competitor with all the physical tools. Let's see this shit play out. All I'm saying is it's interesting to picture fitting these guys with our guys. They can do some things

[HarveyWallbangers]

A couple of comps for Deguara that I've heard are Delanie Walker and Kyle Juszczyk (some think he'll convert to more of an H-Back/FB type). Juszczyk was a college TE who converted to FB.

[RashanGary]

J DEGUARA played very little H-Back for UC. Luke Fickell, UC head coach is a solid college coach and has me watching Cincy again. I plan on going to a UC game this fall. Deguara is a a classic in line Y. He would play in tight or sometimes in a 3 -4 yard split. He's the kind of grinder that loves to hit TE.

He had one play last season that kind of defined his play. He ran a dig route, but the QB threw a pick to the other side of the field. Deguara hustled his ass off, chased the DB and caused a fumble. UC recovered the fumble and went on to win the ball game.

At the time it happened, I thought " I hope the Pack picks him up as a CFA". I didn't think this kid would be our 3rd rnd pick, but now he is. He loves to hit and is a hustler. I'll take him. He's an old school hard-nosed football player.

Nice! And Dillon runs hard. Let's see how it comes together!

[Bretsky]

Lol!!!! Look, let's see what they do!

They're very specialized pieces. A freaking HBack and a zone runner. Let's see how they put it together. And the QB is a firey competitor with all the physical tools. Let's see this shit play out. All I'm saying is it's interesting to picture fitting these guys with our guys. They can do some things


I had high aspirations to win a Super Bowl in the next three years while we have a franchise QB

We didn't take steps toward that today IMO

Time will tell; I'm just fine with a rebuild

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who knew Love would be our best pick.

[Bretsky]

I hope we trade our fifth round draft pick to a team who has two sixths

[Bretsky]

Who knew Love would be our best pick.


Gutebag's career will forever be tied to a deal that pretty much everybody feels was unfair. He better be a pro bowler for his sake

[RashanGary]

Rick Wagner usually scores about the same as Bulaga except last year.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rick Wagner usually scores about the same as Bulaga except last year.

You dramatically under estimate how fantastic Bulaga was.

[call_me_ishmael]

The TE pick is puzzling. He is slow like Richard Rodgers but short. He doesn't seem to have any redeeming quality that would justify a third round pick on paper. I don't see it, I guess.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The TE pick is puzzling. He is slow like Richard Rodgers but short. He doesn't seem to have any redeeming quality that would justify a third round pick on paper. I don't see it, I guess.

He isn't that slow. He ran 4.72--which was better than average at the combine. Rodgers ran a 4.87.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Honestly, I think Gutey got outsmarted in this draft. My guess is he had his eye on Brandon Aiyuk in round 1, but the 49ers outmanuevered him. Demovsky wrote that the Packers liked Denzel Mims. He got close to their spot, but Gutey didn't move up. New England traded up before our pick to take Devin Asiasi--who is a better version of Deguara IMHO. It's like other teams knew who we liked. I blame it on the virtual draft. :)

[Bretsky]

Honestly, I think Gutey got outsmarted in this draft. My guess is he had his eye on Brandon Aiyuk in round 1, but the 49ers outmanuevered him. Demovsky wrote that the Packers liked Denzel Mims. He got close to their spot, but Gutey didn't move up. New England traded up before our pick to take Devin Asiasi--who is a better version of Deguara IMHO. It's like other teams knew who we liked. I blame it on the virtual draft. :)

Best analysis so for; I agree; I think Gutebag lost his jockstrap today. Most publications giving our round 2 pick low C range grade and round 3 in the D's noting way way too early for him.

The round one trade baffled me for Love; nobody ahead of us was taking him. Colts "apparently" wanted to move up but that does not mean we need to overpay

[Bretsky]

TREG WINGO on NFL network just made a crack at the State of WI's expense.....joked some fans are confused upset....and the slipped in Wisconsin

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

TREG WINGO on NFL network just made a crack at the State of WI's expense.....joked some fans are confused upset....and the slipped in Wisconsin

Day 2 draft grades are not being kind to the Packers. Not that they are correct, just saying...

The only thing that makes sense at this point is they have thrown in the towel and are building for the future. But even if that is true, I am not sure I agree with the initial pieces :huh:

[mraynrand]

Ugh! Like Dillon, I liked Deguara more than most. He was the consensus 13th best TE by the boards I looked at. I had him 8th, and I may have had him higher if I didn't want to look like a fool. My scouting with these guys was pretty good. However, Dillon felt like third round value and we took him in the second. Deguara felt like fourth round value and we took him in the third. The draft is getting worse by the pick. Dillon might have been early, but he and Moss were my next up. I like Deguara enough, but not ahead of Trautman and Harrison Bryant.

This feels like a disaster of a draft, and the only thing to save it is Jordan Love becoming a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

Forget about draft position and think about building an offense. Kittle was drafted in the fifth, but the dude plays like a monster. That’s what I want from one TE position in this offense. Same with the running back. Thrilled to have him. I was frustrated that they were throwing Jones into the fray on obvious running downs and he isn’t that kind of back. It mostly wastes his talents and might wear him down. Now they have a brutal steamroller. Should be a good fit. Probably need to get one of Tex’s ‘road graders’ in there at RT to make it complete.

[mraynrand]

Honestly, I think Gutey got outsmarted in this draft. My guess is he had his eye on Brandon Aiyuk in round 1, but the 49ers outmanuevered him.

PB floated this theory in another thread. It’s an interesting theory, but they’d have to be totally in the dark that SF was moving ahead of them to get the same guy. Maybe Flower and Shanahan were chatting too much in the off-season?

I have to say, I can’t recall a team getting out maneuvered like this. Anyone else?

[pbmax]

Ugh! Like Dillon, I liked Deguara more than most. He was the consensus 13th best TE by the boards I looked at. I had him 8th, and I may have had him higher if I didn't want to look like a fool. My scouting with these guys was pretty good. However, Dillon felt like third round value and we took him in the second. Deguara felt like fourth round value and we took him in the third. The draft is getting worse by the pick. Dillon might have been early, but he and Moss were my next up. I like Deguara enough, but not ahead of Trautman and Harrison Bryant.

This feels like a disaster of a draft, and the only thing to save it is Jordan Love becoming a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

The effect of not having a fourth round selection.

[pbmax]

PB floated this theory in another thread. It’s an interesting theory, but they’d have to be totally in the dark that SF was moving ahead of them to get the same guy. Maybe Flower and Shanahan were chatting too much in the off-season?

I have to say, I can’t recall a team getting out maneuvered like this. Anyone else?

Its possible they just did not like the price of moving up. Cost them a 4th to prevent teams coming back into the first to get a fifth year contract option on the only QB left with a possible first round grade.

Packers not likely to trade with Minny. Question is, who was San Fran trying to get in front of? Packers were still at 30. Miami, Baltimore were not likely to take a WR. Maybe Dolphins but they already took CD Lamb.

Someone else might have leaked that they were trying to move up I guess.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cowboys took Lamb.

[pbmax]

Cowboys took Lamb.

My bad, crossed the lines on my draft sheet.

So the answer might not just have been 49ers jumping over the Packers but also the Dolphins.

[Bretsky]

My bad, crossed the lines on my draft sheet.

So the answer might not just have been 49ers jumping over the Packers but also the Dolphins.


It was pretty dam obvious GB wanted a top tier WR and SF took the steps necessary to do what Gutebag failed it....if you think he wanted Aiyak, list most do

The real question, and MOTHERLOAD of F'ck ups by Gutebag was ?????////

THE JETS......CAPTAIN OBVIOUS....Needed a WR; everybody thought round 1-Didn't happen


HOW the F'CK do you not move up 3 picks for Denzel Mims in round 2 and jump the Jets ???

[pbmax]

It was pretty dam obvious GB wanted a top tier WR and SF took the steps necessary to do what Gutebag failed it....if you think he wanted Aiyak, list most do

The real question, and MOTHERLOAD of F'ck ups by Gutebag was ?????////

THE JETS......CAPTAIN OBVIOUS....Needed a WR; everybody thought round 1-Didn't happen


HOW the F'CK do you not move up 3 picks for Denzel Mims in round 2 and jump the Jets ???

Gute likes big WR. No guarantee he wanted Aiyuk.

[mraynrand]

Gute likes big WR. No guarantee he wanted Aiyuk.

EVIL!