Because if he plays for Minny it would seem to help GB's chances if defeating the Vikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Then there's the Schadenfreude.
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Because if he plays for Minny it would seem to help GB's chances if defeating the Vikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Then there's the Schadenfreude.
I ain’t dumb, so I realize that you, as a proud Michigan grad, see Jenny McCarthy’s Oedipal son, JJ, as the greatest QB since Brady. But I reckon, at this stage of their respective careers, Butte is the better QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
I reckon the Queens struggle like a poor poker player on tilt this season with the Oedipal son at QB.
Irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderDan
You’re the one who brought up wasted frogskins. I merely pointed out that the Jesters got Hackett for a bargain.
Btw, superstars like Butte attract audiences, and audiences force the networks to pony up, providing sumptuous frogskins for the pig-owners to pay the players. And the cap can always be cooked.
I brought up Hackett, and specifically noted it wasn't an expense thing. So the direct cost is irrelevant. Cheap shit is still shit, and he cost the Jets two years of development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
Rodgers did some great things for GB and is a 1st ballot HOF. That's not changing, unless he does really awful criminal stuff.
What has changed is his performance on the field. He's no longer a player who can drag a team to the playoffs like he did a few times with McCarthy. He's a player you win with, not win because of. He's tettering into player who hurts you because of his declining athleticism and stubbornness to only play his way.
Makes me think he thinks he knows more than his coaches and doesn't want to be coached anymore.
That's not a guy you want to pay $35M to.
The Jets had a good defense and very good skill players when Rodgers arrived: Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, etc. so he didn't have a bare cupboard. They traded a pick and took on salary for Adams, who helped once he got healthy/acclimated. There was way too much in season turmoil going on for that team to be focused on playing well every week and it showed. No matter where Rodgers goes there will be a lot of media coverage because he says and does such bonkers things.
Hackett is a so-called disciple of LaFleur, who himself is a disciple of Shanahan. Salah wanted the Shanahan system. Pig-owner forced out the other LaFleur. Hackett was available. And for a bargain. A logical hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
Not even Shanahan would be able to do shit with that OL of the Jesters. The same Shanahan who couldn’t do shit with the Dog Farts (Browns).
He somehow, throughout all practices, never realized that cut blocks by the tackles would get Rodgers flattened, since he likes to hold the ball for the best possible play. I recognized this on their first pass play in 23. They did it again and Rodgers was out for the year. That speaks to Hackett being a bad communicator, or just too dumb to realize what is going on. Pedigree means nothing, when the guy is not good enough at his job. It was a hire to lure Rodgers and it failed spectacularly for the Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
Rodgers still unsigned as the Steelers OTA’s begin tomorrow. Is he really interested in playing football?
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-aaron-rodgers
Playing futbol on Sundays? Highly likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teamcheez1
Throwing rocks at half speed and pumping irons with a bunch of young uns at the irrelevant OTAs? Nada.
Lumpensteelers run the same shit on offense that the Packers do. Arthur Smith, the trust fund OC, is a disciple of the Frog, the current Packer head honcho. Butte knows Frog’s offense like Tony O’Day knows idiocy. No need to show up for the meaningless OTAs.
PITTSBURGH -- Four-time MVP quarterbacks come to those who wait.
And wait. And wait.
Aaron Rodgers plans to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter, ending months of uncertainty around his future and uniting the future Hall of Famer with a team that desperately needs a quarterback.
The reason he came to the team that waited is that no other team was even waiting. But in Pittsburg's defense, they are only giving up money for him to ruin their season, not draft picks as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
I think you are going to see a pretty good Aaron this year. Pitt is a nice fit for him. They aren't the Jets. This is a successful franchise and Tomlin is exactly the kind of coach that will tolerate all of Rodgers quirks as long as he gets results, and Rodgers has proven that he is a pretty good OC....I mean, he made Hackett look competent. (Hackett knows he's not NFL material and just let Rodgers do his thing). Truthfully I think this was as good of a fit as Rodgers could possibly find. A compliant HC and a somewhat talented roster. Fat mike let Rodgers run the show and we made a lot of NFCC games. Fat Mike wasn't even as good of a coach as Tomlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
Have to agree with Bobble. Dont see any loser in the arrangement. Also that AARon will have a little bit of a comeback season going all out to end things on his terms.
I tend to agree with you. I think it rubs Rodgers the wrong way that some people write him off as finished when his rival for GOAT played pretty well to a few years old than Rodgers is now.
Bradshaw is an ass. I hope the Lumpensteelers assign Butte the 12.
If he stays healthy, he will have a decent year with mostly short to midrange throws. Last year it seemed his long game was gone.
The big hurdle he faces is with his legs. He has had numerous injury issues over the years with his legs. If one of those comes back again, at his age, it could change his entire season.
He should be 10 since he is halfway as good when he was 12 but not as bad as when he was 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
10 is too Lovemaker. But it does make sense for someone who has experienced ego death and is now all about love.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadtownPacker
I still would like to see Butte don the 12 just to fuck with Bradshaw.
There’s a big difference between mobility and footwork. Pretty sure Brady and Bert Favor can still sling a rock pretty far since their footworks should still be fundamentally sound. Ditto, Butte. Butte just can’t run like he did in the heyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Payton Manning and Dree Brees can’t throw rocks anymore due largely to neck/shoulder injuries, and both don’t have a history of leg injuries.
There's a big difference between throwing the ball far and throwing it far and on the money. Rodgers has show no signs of being a better than average QB since 2021. Thinking an old player will recover his form is the kind of blind hopefulness that has GM's seeking employment elsewhere after the season. Also Pittsburgh gave up a fair number of sacks last year with mobile QB's, which isn't a good sign for Rodgers. Rodgers habit of letting the 'perfect play' be the enemy of the good play will not serve him well as he ages and has to adjust to new receivers who don't know his quirks. He'll make a few great plays that get his fans excited, but overall it won't be much different than last year was for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
Age takes no prisoners. In fantasy baseball I refuse to draft a player over 32. Its amazing how quickly these guys lose it right about there. For a QB its more like 37-38, but I never draft a RB over 30 or a WR over 32. It serves me well. Go look at the leaders for points league baseball and you might find 3 guys in the top 40 that are 33 and older. Judge would be one, he's a freak and holding on a bit longer. But take a look at guys who are 33/34 and dropped off. Salvador Perez, Semien, Christian Walker. Even Betts and Harper are showing signs of decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
I guess time will tell who is right. Butte can still play at a high level, I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
And the Butte-Metcalf combo is gonna be awesome. Some incompetent GM just had to take Savage and a fucking center over Metcalf on a team with its #1 rock catcher on his way out and a bunch of no names wide outs.
The Jets receivers didn't do Rodgers any favors last season - Davante was still getting settled in by the time the season ended, and he still produced at an average level. I'm not really familiar with what the Steelers have aside from Metcalf and Friermuth, but those two guys seem like an upgrade from a receiving perspective and the offensive line situation is probably a push. If his body is the same as 2024, his numbers should improve.
Apparently there’s a Mrs Rodgers now
The thing from the end of his Packers run is that he's not the guy who's going to keep the lowest guy on his sideline in the game. The team gets down a few touchdowns, he's going to get wistful and reflective and equanimitous and either grumpy or Putting This Beautiful Mystery Called Life Into Its Proper Perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by run pMc
I'm not a big "unwritten rules" guy; y'all have certainly read my disdain for shackling young athletes with old people's expectations, but when you're making the most money on the team and you have the perspective of seeing youngsters shuffled in and out of their pro career, you should expect yourself to keep your teammates knowing you believe in them and appreciate their effort.
If you can get Aa-ron to forget that chip on his shoulder, you can take him out of the game.
One question is whether Mike Tomlin is that tough, respected guy who can bend Aaron to the will of the team, or will Tomlin be the pal, the old colleague, and let Rodgers be the worst version of himself?
Either way, I don't think Rodgers has the physical tools any more to be great or even consistently really good.Once he lost his legs he was not the same player. Like any of them. He'll flash the occasional brilliant throw, but I don't think he's going to have some big career renaissance. That and having a deeper threat guy like Metcalf as your main weapon seems like a weird way to approach the end of the Rodgers era.
And let's see if Tomlin can ever get Rodgers to throw into the middle of the field.
An article on a Steelers website stated that in 2024 Rodgers was 25/63 on throws targeted at 20 yards or more. Two things stand out: the completion percentage is very poor and the number of deep targets relative to overall passing attempts was quite low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
Also, contrary to what his history was in GB, he got the ball out quickly. Of 584 attempts, 363 were thrown in 2.5 seconds or less. He did not hold onto the ball like he did with the Packers where year after year his average time from snap to release was among the longest, if not the very longest.
It was also remarked that Rodgers seemed to show the effects of every sack.
Like most old QBs, as someone said, he is a QB you can win with, not one you win because of.
Those all seem related. He got the ball out faster because he didn't trust the line to hold the rush as much as in GB (given 2023, that was reasonable). That meant less time to get things downfield, so fewer attempts. Feeling every sack feeds back on this, especially since 25 of the 40 sacks were on attempts where he held the ball more than 2.5 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I tried to post a photo. Have never figured out how to do it. Oh well.
I used to know how, but now it's not working. Might not be you. Might be the machinery of Packerrats.
Two ways type it manually enter these around the pic link [IMG]Link here[/IMG]Quote:
Originally Posted by Teamcheez1
https://static.www.nfl.com/t_person_...clubs/logos/GB
The other is by clicking on the little icon that looks like a picture frame with a tree. It will bring a box you put the web address and click it to automatically add the tags above for you.
Or you could just listen to dumbasses that havent figured it out in almost twenty years.
He has also largely lost the athleticism to escape pressure. He is changing his game. Brady never had mobility, and he was notorious for taking care of his health. Those 2 factors allowed him to be effective longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
https://share.icloud.com/photos/08af...4tpChx4J_mDMDA
Tried that and it didn’t work. Doesn’t seem like it’s possible from a phone. Need an upgrade to the functionality of this forum.
This should be as easy as point and click.
https://i.postimg.cc/dVb08Sqb/IMG-9652.jpg
I use only my phone for this site.
You can use just about any image hosting site. Like this one is PostImg.cc and then copy the ‘hotlink for forum:’ and paste here.
This is my view of Day 3 of the draft and Mr Irrelevant. We ended up front row - pretty cool.
The blond with the clear stripper heels - very relevant.