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  • #31
    Originally posted by MJZiggy
    Are you sure it was a week ago? I thought they were speaking in generalization over the course of the season, but I could be wrong...
    The news release said this:

    In determining the penalty, the league took into account previous incidents, including Quirk's contact Dec. 16 with Atlanta Falcons FB Jason Snelling on a kickoff return.

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    • #32
      Then I guess you're sure...

      More than you ever wanted to know. Not a cop, a securities trader, but I suppose these type of moves are needed by them too...



      Oddly enough, though, doesn't mention Snelling. I did find something in a Bucs forum, but that's not really a credible source either.
      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Patler
        In determining the penalty, the league took into account previous incidents, including Quirk's contact Dec. 16 with Atlanta Falcons FB Jason Snelling on a kickoff return.
        oh my god, he has priors! I'm starting to get interested in this Quirk guy, he's, well, quirky. He looks a bit like Uncle Joe on Petticoat Junction, if anybody remembers that TV show. Yet he has the heart of a tiger.

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        • #34
          Me luvs me some girls from hooterville
          The Bottom Line:
          Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Numb
            Me luvs me some girls from hooterville
            imagine what they look like today.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by gbgary
              Originally posted by Numb
              Me luvs me some girls from hooterville
              imagine what they look like today.
              The bigger they are, the harder they fall...
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #37
                Aren't the refereeing crews for the playoffs "all-star officiating crews" as it were? That is, doesn't the league review the various officials for the quality of their calls throughout the season, and reward the best officials with playoff jobs?

                If that's the case, the odds that we see Jim Quirk are low, whereas the odds we see Ed Hochuli or someone else are a lot higher. Most of the refs in this league are professional and reasonable and probably think that Quirk was likely over the line. I don't think there's a "thin black and white striped line" out there.
                </delurk>

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Lurker64
                  Aren't the refereeing crews for the playoffs "all-star officiating crews" as it were? That is, doesn't the league review the various officials for the quality of their calls throughout the season, and reward the best officials with playoff jobs?

                  If that's the case, the odds that we see Jim Quirk are low, whereas the odds we see Ed Hochuli or someone else are a lot higher. Most of the refs in this league are professional and reasonable and probably think that Quirk was likely over the line. I don't think there's a "thin black and white striped line" out there.
                  Yes in fact they are all star crews. I remember Madden going an incoherent ramble about it, but safe to say Mr. Quirk will only see the playoffs if he is watching at home on TV.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by cpk1994
                    Yes in fact they are all star crews. I remember Madden going an incoherent ramble about it, but safe to say Mr. Quirk will only see the playoffs if he is watching at home on TV.
                    The NFL prior to 2003 used "All-Star Officials". Now they use "All-Star Officiating Crews". The highest rated crews do the playoffs. Quirk could be in the playoffs if his crew is among the 8 highest ranked crews. (I think it is still 8 crews that are used.)

                    I believe the crews are rated on errors in calls made, more so than the type of thing Quirk did. It would be interesting to know how much that affects the crew's ranking. It would be hard to imagine the NFL using a crew with an official that had been docked a game's pay, but if it isn't part of the scoring system, you never know.

                    Madden's rant was over the fact that they used to take officials from different crews and put them together for the playoffs. They had never worked together and the coordination was off. There were a few major screw-ups a couple years ago which caused the NFL to keep the crews together for playoffs.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Patler
                      The NFL prior to 2003 used "All-Star Officials". Now they use "All-Star Officiating Crews". The highest rated crews do the playoffs. Quirk could be in the playoffs if his crew is among the 8 highest ranked crews. (I think it is still 8 crews that are used.)
                      How many officiating crews are there? I would figure there would have to be at the very least fifteen crews, since in Week 2 there were 15 Sunday games, and more likely sixteen crews (since there was a monday night game that week as well, and NFL refs aren't full-time so they probably wouldn't be asked to officiate on sunday and travel to officiate the next day.)

                      So Quirk won't even see the playoffs unless his crew is in the top half of NFL crews this year, and even so we'd only stand a 1/8 chance of getting him in the divisional round, and I believe he would only be eligible to officiate the championship round if he's in the top 4 crews, and would only officiate the Superbowl if his crew is the overall number one. All in all, the odds of seeing him again this year are not good.
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                      • #41
                        I believe there are actually 17 crews. They need 16 for any weekend that doesn't have byes, and I think they have an extra crew available each weekend, just in case.

                        I agree it is unlikely that the Packers will see Quirk again this season, but it all depends on how high his crew is rated, not him personally, as to if he will do playoffs.

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                        • #42
                          It seems to me Mike Periera would do his best to keep that crew and GB away from each other as much as possible otherwise, he runs the risk of having the officiating matchup overshadow the game and that's the last thing they want (if Periera is the one in charge of deciding who goes where.). Either way, it's very likely a non-issue.
                          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                          • #43
                            As a point of interest, Triplette's crew in 2006-2007, with Quirk as umpire, did work one playoff game. There are only a couple changes to his crew this season.

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                            • #44
                              It matters not witch "team" officiates. Just like us cops, you hurt/injure a brother in blue, and your name is mud, right, wrong, it don't matter ! You have damaged one of theirs, no matter how profesional they want to be, that will be in the back of all their minds ! It may not surface the whole game, untill the game is on the line, and a judgement call gose against your team, and they loose ! Just my .02
                              NFCN Champs 2005 & 2006, NFC Champs 2006

                              "Some people go though life wondering if they have made a difference, ... Marines do not have that problem." - Ronald Regan

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                              • #45
                                sorry for the double post
                                NFCN Champs 2005 & 2006, NFC Champs 2006

                                "Some people go though life wondering if they have made a difference, ... Marines do not have that problem." - Ronald Regan

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