Age versus maturity, Carroll vs Hawk

[chain_gang]

Your point is well taken regarding the youth; but Mike Sherman and Green Bay needed somebody to play short term with that pick.

In retrospect, with Green Bay still considered a legitimate playoff threat at the time Carroll was selected in round one...........his youth and where the Packers were at adds even more to the argument that Green Bay should have selected Chris Gamble.........who is nothing spectacular but still a step above Carroll IMO.

I don't feel Gamble is a step above Carroll at all. Carroll entered a terrible situation in Green Bay Defense. Coming out of college a year early and trying to learn a very complexing scheme that Slow-twit was trying to install. Ability wise I remember hearing before and after that draft that carroll would have been a top 10-15 pick in next years draft if he would've stayed in school. Gamble is at his high point right now. However, being somewhat of a panther fan(Pack always number 1 though), I can tell you that most of Gamble's INT stats are because of overthrows or terrible passes. Not to mention the he is thrown at a lot. Not that carroll isn't but Gamble gets burnt against quicker receivers and needs to play in a zone type of defense. If you see Gamble in man to man much, that's when he gives up big plays. Yes even more than Carroll did. Even though Carroll didn't give up as many. Last year he was greatly improved. Imagine what another year in the same system will do. Carroll is going to be a great nickel back this year and learn some valuable tips from two good corners. Carroll's upside is still a lot higher than gamble's ever will be, because of atheltism.

I believe Carroll is still a way better pick than Gamble. Put Gamble in Slow-twit's scheme and see how he does, and then see how well he does change the defensive scheme the following year.

[The Leaper]

I agree that Gamble hasn't shown me much of anything that would make me think he is a better player than Carroll. His stats are better, but he plays on a team with a far stronger front 7...so he has many more chances to make plays on poorly or hastily thrown balls.

Carroll has the tools to become a solid starter in the NFL...he just needs to mature and work at his technique. I think Woodson is going to help Carroll a lot.

[Noodle]

I agree with Shamler and Mad, and have said it before, so I think they are simply poaching me -- Al Harris is on the decline and will be replaced by Carroll by mid-season.

When it goes, it goes quick, and anyone who watched last year knows that it has started to go quick for Al Harris. In fact, he may have begun slipping before mid-season, but teams were so intent on schooling Carroll that Harris didn't get tested much. When Carroll picked up his game at the end of last year and teams had to go at Harris, he couldn't keep up.

But that's why the Woodson pickup was good (if he stays healthy). Woodson will be a terrific example for Carroll and will help elevate his game. And we'll be in solid shape with one of the better DB tandems in the league, with minimal fall-off in nickle and dime packages.

[chain_gang]

Good point Leaper, hell green bays whole secondary would have been better with a good front seven. I think this year they should be. A lot of people blame the secondary for so much. Well how many defenses are successful when you allow the QB 5-8 secs to throw the ball. Hopefully this year it changes.

[Pack0514]

Personally, I am hoping that Will Blackmon develops into a good corner. I was jacked when we drafted him. I wanted GB to take him with our second pick in the 3rd round..... it turns out we got him with our second pick inthe 4th round. Good job TT. Everything I read about the guy before the draft said he was quick and had good ball skills.

[The Leaper]

I agree that Harris looked old at the end of last year...Harris is going to be someone to watch closely in preseason. He could quickly become a pedestrian DB due to his well below average speed.

[Scott Campbell]

I'll believe it when I see it. He's a physical corner who never relied on his speed anyway.

[MadtownPacker]

Carroll backers who Bretsky will have to bow down to when Carroll becomes one of the starting CBs:

shamrockfan
GrnBay007
SD GB fan
MadtownPacker
chain_gang
The Leaper
Noodle

Anyone else want in?

[MadtownPacker]

I agree with Shamler and Mad, and have said it before, so I think they are simply poaching me -- Al Harris is on the decline and will be replaced by Carroll by mid-season.

Poaching? Did you recently fall out of a coconut tree?

I have been down with AC since his rookie year! He is blazing fast and is never dusted. Just makes bad decisions but that started changing last season.

[Noodle]

I agree with Shamler and Mad, and have said it before, so I think they are simply poaching me -- Al Harris is on the decline and will be replaced by Carroll by mid-season.

Poaching? Did you recently fall out of a coconut tree?

I have been down with AC since his rookie year! He is blazing fast and is never dusted. Just makes bad decisions but that started changing last season.

Sure did mate, and it was a bitch! Damn coconuts don't give much of a buzz, either, so the whole soddin' thing was a complete waste of bloody time.

Just jackin' around about the poaching. There've been some long-time AC defenders, though he makes it tough at times. But he's coming on just as Harris is declining a little, so I'm thinking he'll get his chance to shine if he just keeps his focus.

And stays out of friggin' coconut trees.

[MadtownPacker]

I think maybe I should use the TexasPackerBacker method and declare every Packer a future HOFer then I can say "I told you so"!

[Noodle]

Yeah, that's the Tex method, until the guy leaves for another team, and then he assures you that the guy was always a sack-suckin' piece of crap, and a child molesting, left-wing commie, at that. so it was a brilliant front office move to ship the SOB out of town.

That said, I always got a kick out of Tex's sunny view of the Pack and of his violent attacks on anyone who tried to rain on his parade.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah, that's the Tex method, until the guy leaves for another team, and then he assures you that the guy was always a sack-suckin' piece of crap, and a child molesting, left-wing commie, at that. so it was a brilliant front office move to ship the SOB out of town.

That said, I always got a kick out of Tex's sunny view of the Pack and of his violent attacks on anyone who tried to rain on his parade.

Agreed. I wish we could lure him and the other FYI inmates over here.

[Tarlam!]

Agreed. I wish we could lure him and the other FYI inmates over here.

Well, St. Lou never passes up a chance to piss on PR. I was over there yesterday snooping around to see what's up and I saw another swipe by SL.

He and Tex must be the oldest vets posting and it seems to give St Lou a thrill being the elder statesman...

[MadtownPacker]

Well, St. Lou never passes up a chance to piss on PR. I was over there yesterday snooping around to see what's up and I saw another swipe by SL.

He and Tex must be the oldest vets posting and it seems to give St Lou a thrill being the elder statesman...

St Lou is a lil bitch but he is welcome too. What can you expect from a guy who looks like he has one of these on permanently:



BTW - St Lou, I know you read here. Trust me, I know. Why dont you just make a username so you can stick up for your punkass self?