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[RashanGary]

I think Restak is full of shit. I think he is spiteful that Favre is coming back. I would be too, If I was alive 27 years ago and a packer fan, and Fran Tarkenton kept coming back I would be pissed as well.

Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. I like Rastak as a person, but lurking Viking fans just piss me off. No offens ras..You're a good shit, I've been to a few Vikings boards and they are all like us but a different team. I just don't like Viking fans sorry.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am just giving you shit. If I was going to seriously argue against your point I would do more than bring up Tark.

There is no way that the Packer Organization doesn't benefit 100% from Favre coming back. One more year to sell #4 jerseys and other Packer merchandise off of Favre's back. Just because there is a salary cap doesn't mean that this team doesn't benefit financially with a player like Favre. Last time I checked there are not to many folks running around with Aaron Rodger jerserys. Not to many nationally televised games coming the Packers way with old #12 taking snaps behind center. The Packers are in the smallest market in the NFL, but yet they are top 5 in merchandising in the league, their popularity is tremendous, and the major reason for that is Brett Favre. Without Favre this franchise would be struggling financially especially with the new Players Deal. Buffalo can't compete in their market, but the Packers can? Why is that?

Now the play on the field. All good points mentioned so far. Rodgers is an ok talent, it was the right year for him to come out, because if he would have waited until his senior year, he probably would have been a second round selection. Rodgers is more athletic then people give him credit for, and he can make all the throws, but there is no need to rush this kid. Culpepper had it easy. he had unbelievable talent around him his second year in the league. Rodgers is going to develop with inexperienced players around him, one more year to allow that experience swell around him is only going to help him.

McCarthy isn't going to be canned before his contract expires. If he shows the fortitude this year with Favre and lead this team to a winning record, he will be all right, and most likely he will get an extension in Rodgers 4th year in the league. Favre coming back is actually a gift to McCarthy, otherwise instead of being the offensive coordinator of the sinking 49ers in 2005, he would be the head coach of the drowned Packers of 2006.

[RashanGary]

Now the play on the field. All good points mentioned so far. Rodgers is an ok talent, it was the right year for him to come out, because if he would have waited until his senior year, he probably would have been a second round selection. Rodgers is more athletic then people give him credit for, and he can make all the throws, but there is no need to rush this kid. Culpepper had it easy. he had unbelievable talent around him his second year in the league. Rodgers is going to develop with inexperienced players around him, one more year to allow that experience swell around him is only going to help him.

Great point. The offense is really young and Favre can handle the heat because of his experience. This buys Rodgers a year to develop the young team around him and give him a shot.

McCarthy just bought some time because Favre will win us some games and take the heat off him.

Thompson just felt the flame sizzle out a bit when Favre came back. He would have been getting extreme heat had Rodgers lost a bunch of games which would be probable without Favre.

This was the best for everyone invlolved, no question in my mind.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd be bothered that they went 8-8...LOL, but I look at a Div IAA QB as a two year project. If he isn't starting in year three I have an issue. If he were a highly touted Div IA QB I'd want him starting in year two. Just my opinion.

I don't buy that crap. They wouldn't have taken him in the second round if he was that much of a project. He started more games in college at the Div 1 level than Aaron Rodgers did.

The Packers may not be good this year, but I really don't see the Vikings being much better than 8-8, so don't be surprised when they are right around that again this year. Take away their 2 last second wins over an injury depleted, 4-12 Packers team and their win against the Bears second string and they are a 6-7 team. Hutchinson is a great pickup, but they still have a ton of question marks (RG, RT, WR, DE, MLB, CB, S). That doesn't even count Birk at OC (who knows if he'll stay healthy) and Johnson at QB (he seldom makes it through a season healthy enough to play 16 games and now he's 37 years old).

Vikes
Points scored: 19.1/game
Total yards: 288.3/game
Sacks allowed: 34
Points allowed: 21.5/game
Yards allowed: 323.3/game

Packers
Points scored: 18.6/game
Total yards: 319.9/game
Points allowed: 21.5/game
Yards allowed: 293.1/game

I really don't see much of a difference in talent level between the teams when everyone is healthy. It's been that way for about 3 years. Injuries were a big difference last year. Green Bay won some close games over the Vikings the two years before that, so that gave them the advantage.

[esoxx]

[quote="Rastak
I'm actually quite happy he came back....[/quote]


As a Viking fan, why would you be happy he came back? Unless you think he's a washed up has been.

[Rastak]

[quote=esoxx]

As a Viking fan, why would you be happy he came back? Unless you think he's a washed up has been.

You could be on the right track there esoxx......

[Rastak]

I'd be bothered that they went 8-8...LOL, but I look at a Div IAA QB as a two year project. If he isn't starting in year three I have an issue. If he were a highly touted Div IA QB I'd want him starting in year two. Just my opinion.

I don't buy that crap. They wouldn't have taken him in the second round if he was that much of a project. He started more games in college at the Div 1 level than Aaron Rodgers did.

The Packers may not be good this year, but I really don't see the Vikings being much better than 8-8, so don't be surprised when they are right around that again this year. Take away their 2 last second wins over an injury depleted, 4-12 Packers team and their win against the Bears second string and they are a 6-7 team. Hutchinson is a great pickup, but they still have a ton of question marks (RG, RT, WR, DE, MLB, CB, S). That doesn't even count Birk at OC (who knows if he'll stay healthy) and Johnson at QB (he seldom makes it through a season healthy enough to play 16 games and now he's 37 years old).

Vikes
Points scored: 19.1/game
Total yards: 288.3/game
Sacks allowed: 34
Points allowed: 21.5/game
Yards allowed: 323.3/game

Packers
Points scored: 18.6/game
Total yards: 319.9/game
Points allowed: 21.5/game
Yards allowed: 293.1/game

I really don't see much of a difference in talent level between the teams when everyone is healthy. It's been that way for about 3 years. Injuries were a big difference last year. Green Bay won some close games over the Vikings the two years before that, so that gave them the advantage.

Hey buy it or don't buy it. I don't think they (or I) believe he'll be ready for two years. Think Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers Harv......

[MadtownPacker]

Mark Brunell - drafted in 1993, sat for 2 years, started full-time for Jacksonville his 3rd year and he was ready. He played well.

Aaron Brooks - drafted in 1999, sat for most of 2 years, started full-time for New Orleans his 3rd year and he was ready. He played well.

Matt Hasselbeck - drafted in 1998, sat for 3 years, started full-time for Seattle his 4th year. He struggled his first year, but was solid in his 5th year in the league.

Let's be honest here, Rodgers isn't blessed with some of the talent that guys like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Brett Favre had coming into the league. He's going to need to have things be right around him and he's going to have to feel comfortable to succeed.

Would it bother you if Minnesota went 8-8 or worse this year, and Brad Johnson started over Tarvaris Jackson next year?

As usually I agree with my homey-on-wheels.

You might have to add Nall to that list next season too!

[falco]

I hope M3 has the guts to bench Favre if he still shows his lack of discipline this year...

But can you imagine if they kept him from starting? The fans would go wild.

[Tarlam!]

My hope is that A-Rod sits for 2 more years. And, I hope we see Nall playing. I wanna see what we gave up.

[BlueBrewer]

I hope M3 has the guts to bench Favre if he still shows his lack of discipline this year...

But can you imagine if they kept him from starting? The fans would go wild.

He doesn't need to bench him he just needs to change the approach when he is struggling. That is what this offense is all about. Short quick confidence building passes that piss off the D until they cheat up and then you can burn them.

[Scott Campbell]

Rodgers is not going to sit solely because it's part of his development plan. He can't beat Brett out for the job at this point - it's not even close.

[chain_gang]

Even if Rodgers could beat out Favre, we would never see Rodgers starting ahead of Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

Even if Rodgers could beat out Favre, we would never see Rodgers starting ahead of Favre.

I'm old school, and believe you would. I'd sit Favre if Rodgers was playing better. This is football, and that's the only explanation required.

[Tarlam!]

Even if Rodgers could beat out Favre, we would never see Rodgers starting ahead of Favre.

This is bull.

If Rodgers beat out Favre, Favre might still start game 1. But, if Favre wasn't winning, they would send in a guy that stood a better chance. Favre is not above winning. He is not above the team. He has not been issued with a license to be mediocre.

He'd be the 1st person to tell you that.