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    SAT., MAY 20, 2006 - 12:37 AM
    Packers: Missing at minicamp
    JASON WILDE
    608-252-6176
    jwilde@madison.com
    GREEN BAY - Although he's more likely to take an approach similar to Donald Driver's relatively polite request rather than the trade-demanding Javon Walker or Mike McKenzie tack, the Green Bay Packers have another player who'd like to talk about his contract situation: Al Harris.

    According to a team source, the veteran cornerback is skipping the three-day, five-practice minicamp - which technically is voluntary - because he would like the team to upgrade his contract.

    Harris signed a $18.635 million extension in September 2004 - smack-dab in the middle of McKenzie's ugly return to the team and shortly before his trade to New Orleans. The extension added five years onto Harris' existing deal and contained $7 million in bonuses, though not all of them were guaranteed.

    With that deal, Harris is under contract through 2009 and is scheduled to earn a base salary of $1.5 million this season, $2.2 million in 2007, $2.85 million in 2008 and $3 million in 2009. But Harris' deal has since been surpassed by a number of corners in the league, including new teammate Charles Woodson.

    When reached on his cell phone Friday night and asked why he wasn't attending the minicamp, Harris said, "Just family matters." Asked whether his absence had anything to do with his contract situation, Harris refused to comment. Harris' San Diego-based agent, Jack Bechta, did not return a message.

    Asked about Harris' situation on Thursday, general manager Ted Thompson reiterated that the team doesn't discuss contract matters publicly and pointed out that the camp is indeed voluntary. Coach Mike McCarthy would only say that Harris wasn't in attendance because of a "personal" matter when asked about his absence after practice Friday.

    Harris was one of six healthy veteran players who were not at Friday's practices: Quarterback Brett Favre, Woodson, fullback William Henderson, wide receiver Rod Gardner, defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. Again, McCarthy wouldn't say why the others were missing.

    Three rookies - linebacker A.J. Hawk, offensive tackle Tony Moll and linebacker Kevin Schimmelmann - were also absent for academic reasons.

    Presumably, Harris was less than thrilled with the contract the Packers gave Woodson.

    Woodson received a seven-year deal that included a $4 million signing bonus, a $4 million roster bonus and incentives that could pay him $950,000 more this year on top of his $1.25 million base salary, meaning he'll make anywhere from $9 million to $10 million this year.

    At the mandatory post-draft minicamp, Harris gave no indication that he was unhappy with his contract or with Woodson, talking excitedly about the prospect of the two playing together.

    Harris signed his extension before becoming the Packers' designated shut-down corner, matching up in most games with the opponent's top wide receiver. He hasn't missed a start since coming to Green Bay in March 2003 in a trade with Philadelphia and has intercepted eight passes, three of which have been returned for touchdowns. He had a team-best three interceptions last season and was a Pro Bowl alternate.

    Unlike McKenzie, who skipped all offseason workouts in 2004 to force his trade to New Orleans, and Walker, who boycotted all the 2005 offseason practices and vowed to do so again this year before he was traded on draft day to Denver, Harris has never missed a minicamp.

    Driver, the team's leading receiver, also had been unhappy with his contract before signing a four-year, $17 million extension last week. Although he let the team know of his dissatisfaction with his deal, Driver never threatened to hold out of training camp or asked to be traded, and Harris seems unlikely to make such demands.

    Packers notes: Whitticker on the move?
    JASON WILDE
    608-252-6176
    jwilde@madison.com
    GREEN BAY - Will Whitticker is a smart guy. He knows a bad sign when he sees one.

    After starting 14 games at guard last season, the Green Bay Packers second-year offensive lineman finds himself wondering about the new coaching staff's plans for him. Rather than working at guard, Whitticker is at left tackle with the No. 1 line for the second straight minicamp - but only because starter Chad Clifton and primary backup Adrian Klemm are out with knee injuries.

    With the team switching to a zone-blocking scheme, the 6-foot-5, 338-pound Whitticker, who never played tackle before, could go from starting as a surprising rookie seventh-round pick to out of a job in less than a year.

    "I don't know what to think," Whitticker said between practices Friday. "I'm up and down. You feel at times like, who knows what your future is here? I just have to make the most of it."

    Asked about Whitticker Friday night, offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski's initial reply was, "Let's move on." When pressed, Jagodzinski said, "He needs to fit in with what we're doing. And he is. He's giving good effort."

    But is Whitticker a tackle?

    "That's where he's playing right now. We're short some guys," Jagodzinski said. "He's a smart kid. We're just trying to get different combinations in there and see who the best fit is where. What you're seeing out there isn't what you're going to see in the fall."

    Whitticker just hopes he's around then.

    "Look, if I'm destined to be here, then I'll be here. If not, I have to hope I get picked up by another team and I go play there," said Whitticker, who has watched Junius Coston and rookie Daryn Colledge work as the No. 1 guards. "But you can't look that far ahead. Right now, I'm still here with the Green Bay Packers and I hope to be on the team next year."


    Let's get physical

    Cornerback Ahmad Carroll got into one of the more violent minicamp scraps in recent memory toward the end of the morning practice with wide receiver Ruvell Martin.

    Such fights usually happen in training camp, when the players are in pads and temperatures - and tempers - rise, but Carroll got so mad at Martin at the end of a play that he hit the receiver several times with a closed fist, first in the helmet and then in the midsection. The two eventually were separated.

    "I don't think anybody minds a fight every once in a while, but fighting on a football field, I don't think is very smart," coach Mike McCarthy said.

    Asked if the two made up afterwards, Martin said, "No, I haven't talked to him. But I don't really talk to him anyways."


    From the infirmary

    Safety Marquand Manuel, who came over as a free agent from Seattle, took part in individual and position drills but was withheld from team drills because of the groin injury he suffered in Super Bowl XL. Manuel didn't do anything at the post-draft minicamp. ... Defensive lineman Kenny Peterson practiced after missing the first camp with a shoulder injury. ... Carroll sat out the afternoon practice with an ankle injury. ... Rookie linebacker Tim Goodwell suffered a right foot injury during the morning session. ... Seven injured players - cornerback Jason Horton, halfbacks Chaz Williams and Najeh Davenport, linebacker Brady Poppinga, defensive tackle Tim McGill, Klemm and Clifton - watched practice, while injured running back Ahman Green, safety Jeremy Thornburg and linebacker Kurt Campbell were nowhere to be seen.




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  • #2
    Let's see, Al Harris has a fixed salary of 1.5. So does Woodson. He's gonna get a million in incentives, and his bonus counts 875.

    Woodson get 4.5 in bonuses this year. His signing bonus counts 666K.

    Yup, Woodson is really well paid and Harris is really well paid, too. The difference is 3.5 Million in LTBE bonus money, less 200k pro-rated bonus.

    Anyone here think Harris has a legit case?

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    • #3
      Legit case? What difference does that make? If the story is true, that Harris wants more cash up front this year, theonly thing that matters is that he thinks he can get more. And why might he think that? What could possibly convince Harris that he might be able to get more cash from the Packers?
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mraynrand
        Legit case? What difference does that make?
        I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with a player or an employee going to his/her boss and asking for a raise. Provided they have a legit case.

        The camp is voluntary and Harris is a no brainer to start, so let's forget his AWOL label. If he decides he wants to hold out, that would be a bitch. We can't cut him, his cap number is between 3.5 and 4.5 million (before - after June). We might trade him, but to whom and for how much in return?

        Our roster is exploding with competition at most positions as it is. Unless we get a mauling DE or another shut down corner, what position do we need help at? Most of you will scream WR, but with the cast we have, those same voices are screaming we take 6 onto the roster, so adding another WR will only cause you more heartbreak.

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        • #5
          This is what worries me. I didn't think the Packers should have done that for the Donald untill next off season.

          Great......TT better firm up because if he starts rolling over he's going to get steam rolled by money hungry players and the vulchers known as agents.
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #6
            I don't buy that story for even a minute. Coach Mac said he was out for personal reasons, he has been happy and excited to be playing with Woodson since he signed and like the article said, he's just not the type to go skipping an opportunity to work with the team over a contract that was redone two years ago that he's never peeped about before.
            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NickCollins
              ...I didn't think the Packers should have done that for the Donald untill next off season....
              This is why I was screaming to pay DD BEFORE he acted up. Walker was always gonna be a bitch. TT shoulda used last year's residual cap space and a portion of this year's to lock DD up in December.

              That way, all TT would need to do is point Harris in DD's direction and say "we WILL take care of our performers"....

              I wish TT had of read PR earlier....

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              • #8
                I guess as a corner you could say he's underpaid. Hell, if the team is going to do for Driver what they did, why not line up. I know I would if I was Barnett, Tauscher, Gado ect.......

                Why not go get more since the team is so willing to give it early. Thompson just set a precident and half of me hopes he gets his ass burned for it. Now he's going ot have to deal with the consequences and like a 3rd grader someone should explain to him why what he did caused this if he doesn't already know.

                Unfortunately GM's dont' get too many chances and if he flames out becuase he caved under pressure then he probably won't get antoher chance like the irresponsible 3rd grader.

                Donald is a good guy, but this is a buisness and Thompson just fucked up really bad. He might have a hard time recovering from this collosal fuck up.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #9
                  Boy, Nick, don't bitch slap TT for rewarding DD. It was the only thing to do.
                  Bitch slap those that think they can take advantage.

                  Ziggy has issued doubts, so let's wait and see. Zig knows her shit. Harris has been a good guy, till now. The press are trying to get inside our heads and it's working.

                  TT has done a great job. He got players for Walker even though I wanted revenge. Shows you why I'm not a GM and TT is...

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                  • #10
                    I don't see that at all and I still am not convinced that this isn't just another media-invented problem that in real life is untrue. When they have a quote from Harris or his agent saying anything other than what Harris himself was quoted after Woodson signed (remember that quote--'cant wait to get on the field with him? We're gonna be unstoppable or whatever he said?). I'll take the word from the horse's mouth before I give a lot of credence to what Wilde says. Also, I watched Coach Mac's comments from yesterday where he was asked point blank if it had anything to do with Harris's contract and he said, "No, it's for personal reasons." and later added that this was a voluntary camp and there were 23 guys away or not playing.
                    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NickCollins
                      Donald is a good guy, but this is a buisness and Thompson just fucked up really bad. He might have a hard time recovering from this collosal fuck up.

                      Nick, you're jumping the gun a bit. I think this has more to do with Woodson than with Driver.

                      GM is a crummy job sometimes. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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                      • #12
                        We'll see. I know if I was an agent of an underpaid Packer I'd be thinking money right about now. If I was a player and I only got one chance to earn millions and I just realized Thompson does early deals that I would start to put pressure on right now.

                        It's common sense. Why should Driver get paid early and not me? Lets see how it goes but I think Thompson just created a load of head aches by doing this. He better not do this for everyone.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NickCollins
                          We'll see. I know if I was an agent of an underpaid Packer I'd be thinking money right about now. If I was a player and I only got one chance to earn millions and I just realized Thompson does early deals that I would start to put pressure on right now.

                          It's common sense. Why should Driver get paid early and not me? Lets see how it goes but I think Thompson just created a load of head aches by doing this. He better not do this for everyone.
                          You think this is just the Packers? The offseason is when every NFL player thinks about their money. Some of them think about it all year long.

                          Driver had 2 years left. How many years does Harris have left on his deal?

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                          • #14
                            I think harris is a little afraid and jelous of woodson. i mean woodson gets paid more, and it also means that he could put a fight up for the number one corner. i think harris wants reasurance that hes still gana be in greenbay

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NickCollins
                              Lets see how it goes but I think Thompson just created a load of head aches by doing this. He better not do this for everyone.
                              Well he can't do it for everyone.

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