With the 30th pick in the NFL draft the Packers select...

[The Leaper]

Top 10. Wait until the Combine. He wouldn't be going pro if he knew he wasn't going to be a multi-millionaire very soon.

I got $100 that says Ike isn't a top ten pick. Care to wager?

[Partial]

No Nuts, its not one of those statements. You can criticize me all you want for thinking Sean Taylor is overrated but the fact still remains up until this year he was. He gave up more touchdowns than any player in the NFL last year. More than Ahmad Carroll, more than Atari Bigby, and more than the player you personally consider to be the worst secondary defender in the NFL.

Ike is good friends with one of my friends. He thinks he'll be a top 10 pick and I believe him. If he runs a 4.2 or a 4.3 I completely expect him to be a top 10 pick.

[BallHawk]

Top 10. Wait until the Combine. He wouldn't be going pro if he knew he wasn't going to be a multi-millionaire very soon.

Doesn't his family already have a good amount of money?

[Deputy Nutz]

No Nuts, its not one of those statements. You can criticize me all you want for thinking Sean Taylor is overrated but the fact still remains up until this year he was. He gave up more touchdowns than any player in the NFL last year. More than Ahmad Carroll, more than Atari Bigby, and more than the player you personally consider to be the worst secondary defender in the NFL.

Ike is good friends with one of my friends. He thinks he'll be a top 10 pick and I believe him. If he runs a 4.2 or a 4.3 I completely expect him to be a top 10 pick.

Seriously I will double Leapers bet with you. I remember sitting in an apartment several years ago with Aaron Gibson and he was telling me how his agent guaranteed him that he was going in the top half of the first round. He fell to the second round.

I am glad that you have some type of "inside" info for us.

Hey Partial how about Tim Tebow? Pretty crappy player? Only a Heisman. I will have to renounce my opinion though that he will be a first pick of the draft selection when he comes out, unless he gets serious work on his throwing motion in the next two years. He is a big strong lefty, but boy does he have an awkward release.

[Partial]

Pretty shitty professional player prospect. Terrible quarterback. He'll make a decent fullback someday. Gee... Who might have told you that the more you watch him you see his flaws as a professional quarterback?!?!?1?

I said he:
1) Isn't accurate
2) Has bad vision
3) Bad throwing motion
4) Easily rattled with pressure
5) Not clutch

But I guess that "idiot" Partial who you've "never agreed with a word he has ever said on the forum" could never, ever be right about a player he has watched and seen play up close in person that you've only seen on your television, right?

You guaranteed he'd be a top pick and you can suddenly retract that? Funny, I said no chance in hell from day 1.

[Deputy Nutz]

Pretty shitty professional player prospect. Terrible quarterback. He'll make a decent fullback someday. Gee... Who might have told you that the more you watch him you see his flaws as a professional quarterback?!?!?1?

I said he:
1) Isn't accurate
2) Has bad vision
3) Bad throwing motion
4) Easily rattled with pressure
5) Not clutch

He started one year of College Football in the SEC!!! I don't know how you can comment on his character like that considering he has one year of starting experience. Most first year starters get rattled, make mistake regardless of talent. He was the most saught after recruit in the country two years ago, and although his throwing motion, and this point that is the only thing I can really critize him for, Pro Scouts are still very intrigued with his size, strength, running ability, his arm strength, and his leadership ability. the rest of the nonsense that you mentioned above will be more of a test and a critique factor in his junior year, and if he stays his senior year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Ike is the 4th best CB in the draft at best, and he's not going in the top 10. Cason is a top 10 pick and he's head and shoulders the best CB in the draft.

I personally don't think Ike is going in the first round, but draft day always has some big surprises in it.

[Partial]

Pretty shitty professional player prospect. Terrible quarterback. He'll make a decent fullback someday. Gee... Who might have told you that the more you watch him you see his flaws as a professional quarterback?!?!?1?

I said he:
1) Isn't accurate
2) Has bad vision
3) Bad throwing motion
4) Easily rattled with pressure
5) Not clutch

He started one year of College Football in the SEC!!! I don't know how you can comment on his character like that considering he has one year of starting experience. Most first year starters get rattled, make mistake regardless of talent. He was the most saught after recruit in the country two years ago, and although his throwing motion, and this point that is the only thing I can really critize him for, Pro Scouts are still very intrigued with his size, strength, running ability, his arm strength, and his leadership ability. the rest of the nonsense that you mentioned above will be more of a test and a critique factor in his junior year, and if he stays his senior year.

It's very possible he'll develop into a good player. I merely said he is a terrible quarterback prospect. I live in the now, not on his potential. Right now, if he was to come out, I'm thinking 4th round tops. His arm strength is decent but his accuracy is very poor and his vision is even worse. Can you say lock on to Harvin?!?!? For one, he has a ridiculously talentedsupporting cast so I take his success with a grain of salt, but it is very rare that he throws an accurate mid-range to deep pass. That offense is all short passing or a wobbly bomb where Harvin simply outruns the D.

There was an email going around Gainesville with a flash graphic depicting the Gators offense. The scenes went as follows:

Tebow run left
Tebow run right
Tebow run middle
Reverse to Harvin
Screen to Harvin
Bomb to Harvin

And that is sadly very accurate. For as good a TE as they have they rarely take advantage of that match-up.

[The Leaper]

Ike is good friends with one of my friends. He thinks he'll be a top 10 pick and I believe him. If he runs a 4.2 or a 4.3 I completely expect him to be a top 10 pick.

If he runs a 4.2 or 4.3? Has any player ever broken 4.3 officially at the NFL combine? If it has happened, it hasn't happened often. That is WORLD CLASS speed...meaning I would expect Ike to be at the Olympics this summer if he really was that fast.

Fastest DB last year was a 4.32...and only 4 guys consistently posted sub 4.4 numbers.

If Ike was truly that fast, he'd have had a much better year than he had. He's certainly talented...and has a chance to be a player at the next level. However, there is a lot of tape of him playing at a sub-first-round level at this point.

I'm guessing if he runs a 4.45, he'll be happy. He's a big, physical corner...so anything under 4.5 will be a solid showing at the combine and give him at least a chance to get into the first round.

However, top ten pick? Not happening.

[Deputy Nutz]

You mentioned accuracy, you think 67% completion rate is shitty?
32 touchdowns to only 6 inteceptions is shitty?
3286 yards passing, not good?
23 rushing touchdowns, fullback written all over him.

4 total touchdowns in the bowl loss to Michigan? crappy don't you think? Lets see how good the Gators are next year when they get a running game besides Tebow.

[Partial]

You mentioned accuracy, you think 67% completion rate is shitty?
32 touchdowns to only 6 inteceptions is shitty?
3286 yards passing, not good?
23 rushing touchdowns, fullback written all over him.

4 total touchdowns in the bowl loss to Michigan? crappy don't you think? Lets see how good the Gators are next year when they get a running game besides Tebow.

It is not hard to dink and dunk your way to 67%. How many times have you seen Tebow play?!?!?!?!?!?!?1 I have at least 10 times and I have to say I am not very impressed with his ability to be an NFL QB. He'll make a great fullback, though.

[Partial]

Ike is good friends with one of my friends. He thinks he'll be a top 10 pick and I believe him. If he runs a 4.2 or a 4.3 I completely expect him to be a top 10 pick.

If he runs a 4.2 or 4.3? Has any player ever broken 4.3 officially at the NFL combine? If it has happened, it hasn't happened often. That is WORLD CLASS speed...meaning I would expect Ike to be at the Olympics this summer if he really was that fast.

Fastest DB last year was a 4.32...and only 4 guys consistently posted sub 4.4 numbers.

If Ike was truly that fast, he'd have had a much better year than he had. He's certainly talented...and has a chance to be a player at the next level. However, there is a lot of tape of him playing at a sub-first-round level at this point.

I'm guessing if he runs a 4.45, he'll be happy. He's a big, physical corner...so anything under 4.5 will be a solid showing at the combine and give him at least a chance to get into the first round.

However, top ten pick? Not happening.

Rumor has it he has clocked a 4.25ish. I think he'll run about 4.3ish and climb his way up with a ridiculous combine.

[Partial]

Troy Smith won a heisman.
Danny Wuerfel won a heisman.
Charlie Ward won a heisman.
Andre Ward won a heisman.
Eric Crouch won a heisman.
and so on and so fourth.

[BallHawk]

It's more likely than not that Tebow is going to end up like Jason White. Heisman QB that can't cut it in the NFL.

Before I get flamed, I'm not comparing their playing ability, just what the end result will be.

Maybe if he gets it together he could be something. Throwing motion isn't the be all and end all of a QB.

[The Leaper]

Rumor has it he has clocked a 4.25ish. I think he'll run about 4.3ish and climb his way up with a ridiculous combine.

Everyone is rumored to run a 4.25. What they forget to mention is that it was downhill and downwind.

The only guys who actually can do it without the aid of wind or slope are world class sprinters...who are used to running against the clock and prepare for it exclusively all their life.

At the combine, where there is a lot of pressure and there is no room for error, it is unlikely a guy is going to post close to their perceived best time. A few will post very good times and make a lot of money for it. Most will post average times. A few will post very poor times. The fact that these are FOOTBALL players is key. These guys aren't used to running a dash for a time, and it isn't something you can perfect in 4 months of training.

Again...if you are so confident Ike will run a 4.3 forty, why not take me up on a $100 bet?