Favre

[The Shadow]

Spit the bit again.

[Patler]

OOPs, meant to be a new topic

Ooops! Meant to be a Tauscher new topic!

[Chubbyhubby]

Let the Aarron Rodgers Era Begin...

Its NOT official yet but I believe that Brett Favre era in Green Bay is over. This was his last hurrah. This team needs to get better. Even after this year. Al Harris is getting old and needs to be replaced. Its going to be an intresting off-season.

[mmmdk]

If the Packers had had a running game, and if Al Harris had been able to cover Plaxico Burress, I don't think anyone would be worried about what Favre's face looked like before the game.

Bingo.

Double bingo...McCarthy admitted afterwards that he was not committed to the run. Giants were even though they didn't run that well early. McCarthy is ambivalent when it comes to running the ball. As McCarthy would say: "That needs to be fixed".

[mmmdk]

I have always adored Brett and what he is accomplished. Everyone likes Brett. That's part of the problem.

A pampered Favre rarely is under stress so he does not handle it well when it comes.

95 in Dallas, 97 Superbowl, 01 St Louis, 02 at home, 03 Philidelphia, 04 at home, 07 at home, Brett Favre crumbles under the pressure of the playoffs and needs teammates to make up for his mistakes. With the game on the line you don't want the ball in his hands. Some team members lean on Brett coming through for them instead of them coming through for Brett.

It hurts to to say that.
That said I will take a couple more seasons like this one.

Don't bash this post above; there's truth in it. Favre is amazing.

[BallHawk]

If the Packers had had a running game, and if Al Harris had been able to cover Plaxico Burress, I don't think anyone would be worried about what Favre's face looked like before the game.

Bingo.

Double bingo...McCarthy admitted afterwards that he was not committed to the run. Giants were even though they didn't run that well early. McCarthy is ambivalent when it comes to running the ball. As McCarthy would say: "That needs to be fixed".

As long as McCarthy learns from his mistake and never does this again I can accept this loss as a learning process. However, if this become a re-occurring issue it shows a lack of discipline and decision making.

I'm confident that MM will realize what he did and say "Well, that's the last time that's going to happen."

He's a young coach. He's gotta have at least one "WTF" game in the playoffs.

[mmmdk]

If the Packers had had a running game, and if Al Harris had been able to cover Plaxico Burress, I don't think anyone would be worried about what Favre's face looked like before the game.

Bingo.

Double bingo...McCarthy admitted afterwards that he was not committed to the run. Giants were even though they didn't run that well early. McCarthy is ambivalent when it comes to running the ball. As McCarthy would say: "That needs to be fixed".

As long as McCarthy learns from his mistake and never does this again I can accept this loss as a learning process. However, if this become a re-occurring issue it shows a lack of discipline and decision making.

I'm confident that MM will realize what he did and say "Well, that's the last time that's going to happen."

He's a young coach. He's gotta have at least one "WTF" game in the playoffs.

He said that too. I'll stay tuned in. If he actually learns from this then we've got great things to look forwards to.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Favre

I didn't really have a problem with who he threw to, it was just the throw itself. It was just a bad throw. It could have been completed if thrown more accurately, or if the route had been better, whatever. The receiver and the ball were not on the same course.

Favre had a couple ill-advised/desperation throws earlier, one when he had a lot of time to throw and threw to I believe Robinson or Jennings who was well covered. That luckily fell incomplete. The other was his first interception generously returned to the Packers by McQuarters and graciously accepted by Tauscher!

Quite honestly, I didn't have a problem with the way Favre played until that last throw. Tough conditions, and he played pretty well. I think you are talking about a throw to Jennings. I don't think that's a bad decision. Take a shot deep. Jennings had one guy to beat. The week before he had a similar pass, adjusted by coming inside for the ball, and he scored a TD. Jennings just didn't make a similar play on the ball. The pass to Robinson I blame on Robinson. Has anybody played QB at any level (high school, college, rec ball)? Favre was scrambling around like a madman. He looks up the field, he has a split second to figure out who to throw to, and there's Robinson waving his hands. Don't wave your stinkin' hands if you aren't wide open. Ruvell did it earlier in the year, but the ball bounced off two defenders and he got a TD. The last throw wasn't poor judgement. He just didn't make a good throw. If he gets it further outside, it's probably a long completion that puts us in good shape for a FG. At that point, our offense was doing nothing, so I'm sure he was pressing. Bad time to have a bad throw though. Blame can be spread around equally. McCarthy's playcalling stunk. The 1 yd passes to Robinson were pathetic. Abandoning the run after getting 19 yards on a couple of carries in the third quarter was bad. Al Harris got torched. Bush should have fallen on the ball. Collins made a dumb late hit. The run blocking was poor. The DL didn't quite get enough pressure. Just a bad game overall.

[Patler]

Re: Favre

Quite honestly, I didn't have a problem with the way Favre played until that last throw. Tough conditions, and he played pretty well. I think you are talking about a throw to Jennings. I don't think that's a bad decision. Take a shot deep. Jennings had one guy to beat. The week before he had a similar pass, adjusted by coming inside for the ball, and he scored a TD. Jennings just didn't make a similar play on the ball. The pass to Robinson I blame on Robinson. Has anybody played QB at any level (high school, college, rec ball)? Favre was scrambling around like a madman. He looks up the field, he has a split second to figure out who to throw to, and there's Robinson waving his hands. Don't wave your stinkin' hands if you aren't wide open. Ruvell did it earlier in the year, but the ball bounced off two defenders and he got a TD. The last throw wasn't poor judgement. He just didn't make a good throw. If he gets it further outside, it's probably a long completion that puts us in good shape for a FG. At that point, our offense was doing nothing, so I'm sure he was pressing. Bad time to have a bad throw though. Blame can be spread around equally. McCarthy's playcalling stunk. The 1 yd passes to Robinson were pathetic. Abandoning the run after getting 19 yards on a couple of carries in the third quarter was bad. Al Harris got torched. Bush should have fallen on the ball. Collins made a dumb late hit. The run blocking was poor. The DL didn't quite get enough pressure. Just a bad game overall.

I don't disagree with any of that, really. On the other hand, it is seldom good to throw into the middle of the field deep when a play has broken down and extended for a long time. Favre did it twice, once intercepted, and once close to it. I agree Robinson should not have been waving as he did.

The last interception was poor execution, not a poor decision at all. It should have been a completion, and honestly I have no clue if it was more a bad throw, an imprecise route, or a combination of both.

I kept looking for the variations of the CONTROLLED passing game that worked all year. Instead I saw mostly screens that have not worked all season, for the most part.

When Grant broke the 13 yard run, followed by 7 yars two carries later, I though, OK here we go. But running remained an afterthought.

[Bretsky]

So is the consensus that Favre played just fine last night, and that other factors are to blame for our offense struggling? I'd like to hear as many opinions on this as possible.

Favre played below average last night; he had some misreads and some bad throws. He was out of rhythym.

MM didn't help him one bit. On a night when the five wide and quick hitters could have exposed a weak Giants secondary, Green Bay chose to keep their RB's and TE's in to pass block way too often. They must have thought our OL could not handle the Giants DL one on one.

Honestly, who didn't play poorly last night ?

The OL run blocking was horrid
The DL rushing Defense was well below average and the pass rush was horrid
Harris stunk but when you give Eli Manning enough time to count 99 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL all the way down to ONE BOTTLE left the secondary is pretty much hosed anyways.

Bigby and Poppinga looked good. Crosby was alright.

But other than that the team, Favre included, did not play well

[motife]

I love Favre, but I wouldn't mind if the Packers moved on.

I like the way Aaron Rodgers works within the system, his confidence level, and how he moves on his feet. It might be time, the 4th year already, to see what they have in him. But damn.. Rodgers is injured all the time.

Green Bay is going to have a tough time repeating last year's record with next year's schedule regardless who is QB.

[packinpatland]

Rodgers is a team guy. Every game where I've been able to see the team come onto the field, there's Aaron with his back to the field, cheering the guys coming in.
He's good, he's got the right attitude, he's got talent (in the words of Troy Aikman, he's athletic)........maybe it's time.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So is the consensus that Favre played just fine last night, and that other factors are to blame for our offense struggling? I'd like to hear as many opinions on this as possible.

I don't think he played well. He didn't play horrible either. He was about as good as everybody else. Just not good enough. The conditions were tough for a QB. For most of the game, he managed them well. But he had a bad throw in OT, and that's what people will remember--especially the Favre hater. The Giants made Tony Romo look like a complete stiff in ideal conditions. They have a pretty good defense.

[pbmax]

I with Bretsky here. Favre was below average.

And while I think blaming play calling is one step worse that blaming the refs, I think Bretsky has another good point.

On many plays, with the RB and the TE (usually Bubba waived into motion to the backfield) stayed in to block. More than half the time there was no blitz.

My question to McCarthy is this, why bring in Bubba to the 3 wide package? He obviously was concerned about the Giants pass rush. And maybe Dallas taught him the wrong lesson. He was still planning on airing it out, but he wanted an extra blocker. It was clear before halftime that wasn't working.

But Favre also had a role here. If he has to waive Bubba/Lee into motion to the backfield, then he is reacting to a protection read. And more than half the time, that read was false.

All those throws to receivers who were bracketed or short throws to backs short of the first make sense if two possible receivers are being held up in the backfield, waiting for a blitz. This is on both of them. A short throwing game in four to five wide would make better sense. Esp. if the Giants react to no TE or no RB by bringing pressure. That max protect, while we have certainly used it this year, made it look like we were running last year's offense.

And if Favre reads the blitz correctly, he has a TE in the pattern to threaten the middle.

So is the consensus that Favre played just fine last night, and that other factors are to blame for our offense struggling? I'd like to hear as many opinions on this as possible.

Favre played below average last night; he had some misreads and some bad throws. He was out of rhythym.

MM didn't help him one bit. On a night when the five wide and quick hitters could have exposed a weak Giants secondary, Green Bay chose to keep their RB's and TE's in to pass block way too often. They must have thought our OL could not handle the Giants DL one on one.

Honestly, who didn't play poorly last night ?

The OL run blocking was horrid
The DL rushing Defense was well below average and the pass rush was horrid
Harris stunk but when you give Eli Manning enough time to count 99 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL all the way down to ONE BOTTLE left the secondary is pretty much hosed anyways.

Bigby and Poppinga looked good. Crosby was alright.

But other than that the team, Favre included, did not play well

[pbmax]

I like the fact that McCarthy tries to attack a defense. I wish he had attacked more with multiple WRs than TE/RBs and shorter rather than deeper routes.