Favre

[The Leaper]

NOT just toss it away on a lousy play.

What happened?

Bad throw...and a good defensive play. The CB was playing the out route the entire time...he let Driver get a little separation, but he was watching Favre and waiting for the out route. As soon as he saw Favre gear up to throw, the CB broke on the route.

A good throw there probably is still an incompletion at best. In those weather conditions, I don't think an 15 yard out route is a high percentage play. Both QBs had been missing on those throws all night.

[Fosco33]

Where is the 11th NYG defender (and 11th Packer) outside that picture Fosco? I'm guessing to the left somewhere.

Behind the line of scrimmage (bottom left) - I had to crop it to get under 50kb for free posting.

[The Leaper]

That picture is just greater evidence of why the Patriots are absolutely going to kill the Giants in SB42. Brady doesn't make mental mistakes like Favre does...and crossing patterns can KILL the Giants.

[vince]

Wow, that's a great shot Fos. IMO, Favre was negatively impacted by the cold. I don't care what McCarthy said. He didn't have any fire in his gut throughout the second half and overtime of that HUGE game.

[esoxx]

Why don't you show the shot when he's cranking up the throw. Showing it when the ball's halfway there means nothing.
If that's how it looked when he decided to throw it, it's a "mental error." Something Tom Brady would never do.
Otherwise it was just a bad throw.

[vince]

Why don't you show the shot when he's cranking up the throw. Showing it when the ball's halfway there means nothing.
If that's how it looked when he decided to throw it, it's a "mental error." Something Tom Brady would never do.
Otherwise it was just a bad throw.

Showing the play when the ball is halfway there means EVERYTHING. QB's need to get the ball to players WHEN they break open, not after.

[esoxx]

We'll disagree then.

[Fosco33]

Well, I can't take too much credit for the shot - just relaying info.

IMO, the cold played a part in the game - but there are other reasons why that play happended:

1. Offense was inconsistent throughout the game (1 for 10 on 3rd down)
2. Only about 20 minutes in ToP. They couldn't get a drive going for most of the 2nd half and late 4th Quarter.
3. Favre and the playcalling chose a lot of pass plays - but the team that could own the running game was likely going to win (a very representative stat in the playoffs).

The game shouldn't have even been that close (into OT) - by my count the Giants could have been up nearly 2 TDs. It was amazing the Pack got this far and somehow had a few shots to win the game. Simple fact - it was a bad read, bad throw, bad game.

I think Jennings would've been as tough a throw as the one to Driver (but he was more open).

The picture shows a few things - but watching the tape from a few angles is the only way to really see it - and you will still be disappointed...

[Fosco33]

Why don't you show the shot when he's cranking up the throw. Showing it when the ball's halfway there means nothing.
If that's how it looked when he decided to throw it, it's a "mental error." Something Tom Brady would never do.
Otherwise it was just a bad throw.

Showing the play when the ball is halfway there means EVERYTHING. QB's need to get the ball to players WHEN they break open, not after.

Shot with ball in Favre's hand. Grant wasn't yet an option (nor should have Driver been an option). D-lineman did have his hand up but it likely wasn't blocking Favre's view. Jennings was a few steps open with the safety turned, too.....

[esoxx]

Why don't you show the shot when he's cranking up the throw. Showing it when the ball's halfway there means nothing.
If that's how it looked when he decided to throw it, it's a "mental error." Something Tom Brady would never do.
Otherwise it was just a bad throw.

Showing the play when the ball is halfway there means EVERYTHING. QB's need to get the ball to players WHEN they break open, not after.

Shot with ball in Favre's hand. Grant wasn't yet an option (nor should have Driver been an option). D-lineman did have his hand up but it likely wasn't blocking Favre's view. Jennings was a few steps open with the safety turned, too.....

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Thanks for the above shot Fosco.

I think it shows what I originally contended. It was more of a bad throw than a mental error. If he puts the ball on a line further to the outside, it's either complete or they go to 3rd down. The ball seemed to lack the juice required and was too far inside.

The better option likely was Jennings but no QB has fly vision and it's split second decision making. Jennings had only one catch in the game and Driver was the hot receiver, had scored the 90 yarder on a fabulous catch n run. Favre probably had more confidence in DD to make a play at that point and went that way with it.

All speculation at this point.

[Fosco33]

Why don't you show the shot when he's cranking up the throw. Showing it when the ball's halfway there means nothing.
If that's how it looked when he decided to throw it, it's a "mental error." Something Tom Brady would never do.
Otherwise it was just a bad throw.

Showing the play when the ball is halfway there means EVERYTHING. QB's need to get the ball to players WHEN they break open, not after.

Shot with ball in Favre's hand. Grant wasn't yet an option (nor should have Driver been an option). D-lineman did have his hand up but it likely wasn't blocking Favre's view. Jennings was a few steps open with the safety turned, too.....

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Thanks for the above shot Fosco.

I think it shows what I originally contended. It was more of a bad throw than a mental error. If he puts the ball on a line further to the outside, it's either complete or they go to 3rd down. The ball seemed to lack the juice required and was too far inside.

The better option likely was Jennings but no QB has fly vision and it's split second decision making. Jennings had only one catch in the game and Driver was the hot receiver, had scored the 90 yarder on a fabulous catch n run. Favre probably had more confidence in DD to make a play at that point and went that way with it.

All speculation at this point.

I agree on your points. From the stands, I had to ask a few times if GJ even showed up for the game. Totally ineffective use of talent.

Still have to wonder if it was a toughness test really. Pack did not practice outdoors; Giants did. Giants stuck it to the Pack on the ground (and then the air); Pack did not.

Just getting around to watch this one and burn a DVD... I'll have to watch the Seattle game just to leave this season with some positive memories.