New Defensive Scheme...

[The Leaper]

I think you can also win with a lot of players who are better than average, even if not blue chippers. That is sort of where the Packers are. Blue chippers at key positions make it easier.

I dunno. It is difficult to win Super Bowls without having at least 2 "elite" All-Pro caliber talents on your team. I can't think of many recent Super Bowl winners that did not. The Steelers are probably the best example...but they had at least one "elite" player (Faneca) and a couple others who might miss the cut, but not by very much at all (Porter, Polamalu, Ward).

If you are going to win a title without an "elite" player, you better have about 8-10 very good players with a lot of playoff experience.

[Patler]

If you are going to win a title without an "elite" player, you better have about 8-10 very good players with a lot of playoff experience.

That was what I was trying to say. If your roster is filled with players just below "Blue chip", you will be better than most teams across the board. On the other hand, even two or three or four blue chippers on a team with a lot of below average players will not always get you very far.

Some of it has to do with key positions, too. A couple blue chip guards won't get you far with a below average QB and running backs.

The Packers got a lot farther with just a handful of Pro Bowlers than the Vikings did with a bucket full of them.

[Partial]

To argue Favre is not elite is ridiculous. What QBs played better?!?

One could argue three of them:

Manning, Brady and Romo.

I would say Romo was partially the benefactor of a great offensive line and a great running game.

I put Favre in the top 3 at his position in the league. To say that is not elite is poppycock.

[Patler]

To argue Favre is not elite is ridiculous. What QBs played better?!?

One could argue three of them:

Manning, Brady and Romo.

I would say Romo was partially the benefactor of a great offensive line and a great running game.

I put Favre in the top 3 at his position in the league. To say that is not elite is poppycock.

Whenever we talk about Favre, some refuse to accept that there is a medium ground between him being the best in the league, and being terrible. That is exactly where I think he is right now.

Putting aside what you remember Favre to have been in the past, and looking at what he really did this year. how much better was he than:

Roethlisberger
Hasselbeck
Brees
and maybe a few others.

All are very good QBs, which is right where I think Favre is.

[Partial]

I think he is a step up from all of those people. He has a stronger, more accurate arm.

[Patler]

I think he is a step up from all of those people. He has a stronger, more accurate arm.

Stronger, yes, more accurate when he is controlled, but overall not significantly more accurate. I think we are splitting hairs at this stage of Favre's career trying to distinguish him from some of the other very good QBs in the league.