Early Offseason Roster Analysis (long)

[Bretsky]

I think Patler always makes good points on the guard issue. Rivera and Wahle sucked at this point in their careers. Will Spitz, Colledge, Coston Barbre, or Moll pan out? Who the hell knows, but it's too early for all of them to say we have to desperately search else where. I'd say Colledge and Spitz in their third year is a hell of a lot better than Whittaker and and whatever his name was of three years ago.

Is it a GREAT position? Hell no. Will it be? Probably not, but you never know how good some of these guys will be. Ted should keep looking for guards, tackles, DE's, Safety's, recievers, running backs, fullbacks, tight ends, quarterbacks, punters, kickers, corner backs, defensive tackles and whoever the hell else can make an impact of the field. This team can never have enough talent. I don't think the position is bad enough to go freak out and give up 10% of our recources. Just keep making good decisions and over time I think it will work out best.

The question becomes whether we wait to see if they will develop while on the job or while learning as backups. TT has not had enough time to do so, but the one thing Wolf did well was having the starters ready to go when one went out the door.

I think TT has did a good job at that with the DL; but one has to question how starter capable these OG's are and how soon they might become at least average enough not to get dominated in key games.

[RashanGary]

I know the urge is to panic, Bretsky. I know you want to just go out and fix it right now. Hell, every team should just do that and we'll have 32 superbowl winners.

I think great teams are built over time, not over night. Just keep chugging, getting better whenever you can in the enviorment that they do buisness.

If a great guard or a good guard is available in such a way that it helps more than it hurts than I would hope Ted takes advantage of it and by all accounts he does that.

There is no amount of anxiety or panic that is going to fix our problems, the same way they won't fix all of Pittsburghs, INdy's, Cincy's or Tampa's. Just chill out, and let Ted work his magic. No need to have another miserable off season becuase you think you know what the team needs and you can't trust a guy getting paid millions to do the job for you.

[The Leaper]

Right now he's nothing better than a backup, but the way you phrase the yellow chip description as "Player should never be considered more than a reserve player" seems to imply that you're setting a cap on his ceiling as a player.

The rankings are as of this season...and at this point, he should not be considered anything more than a reserve.

The chip level isn't a prediction of the future, so it shouldn't be seen as a cap on his ceiling.

[Carolina_Packer]

Strange to see that you have Corey Williams as a green chip, meaning the potential to start, when he was our starter, and with the heavy rotation, it's not really about who starts anyway. A green chip and the guy is probably going to get a nice looking contract offer from someone. I would give him at least a white chip from what he has proven.

[mmmdk]

Donald Lee is white chip in my book though and Al Harris is declining faster than what most think.

He was a tough guy to grade.

Lee caught a lot of balls in 2007. He generally had a very good season.

However, some stats jumped out at me. He wasn't very active in the red zone...only catching 7 balls when the team was in the red zone all year. He also tailed off notably at the end of the year, grabbing a mere 10 catches over his last 5 games played. He wasn't very active in the postseason either.

Toss on top of that the fact he's a mediocre blocker.

I think he's close to being a white chip guy, but I want to see a little more of it from him before I give it to him.

I also forgot to give Bubba a minus mark. He's a green minus...not a straight green.

True; I want the Packers run better in the red zone next season. Pound the rock more and score 17-22 rushing TDs for the season. Interior OL needs major help to achieve that.

More play makers on D too which could come from current roster, the draft and a free agent or two.

[The Leaper]

Strange to see that you have Corey Williams as a green chip, meaning the potential to start, when he was our starter, and with the heavy rotation, it's not really about who starts anyway.

I'm not sure Williams would've seen as much action if Jolly/Cole/Jenkins had been healthy during the year.

Williams has potential to start IMO. Occasionally, he turned in a big performance. More often than not, he was invisible.

He played big against KC (very weak OL) and Carolina (weak OL) this year. Outside of those 2 games, he did very little to support your notion that he is a "reliable" starter...or white chip.