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  • THE TAG AND IT'S VALUE

    If the Packers slap the franchise tag on Williams, it will cost the team 6.363 mil in cap space while if they slap the transition tag on him, 5.654mil of cap space will be eaten up. IMO, he is worth neither of these two numbers.
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  • #2
    Agreed.

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    • #3
      The injury to Jolly may have hurt Williams because it exposed him for what he is: A very good rotation player who is less effective as his snap counts increase.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
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      • #4
        I think he is worth about half of that...
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        • #5
          Re: THE TAG AND IT'S VALUE

          Originally posted by b bulldog
          If the Packers slap the franchise tag on Williams, it will cost the team 6.363 mil in cap space while if they slap the transition tag on him, 5.654mil of cap space will be eaten up. IMO, he is worth neither of these two numbers.
          However, either is an amount the Packers could absorb easily if they decide they need to or want to. Kind of nice to be in that position with your free agents.

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          • #6
            One year in the guys prime? Yeah, I think he's worth the franchise. I wouldn't want him on a long term deal into his 30's at that salary every year, but one year at age 29? Sure, I'll take it. I think they should.


            We have some good lineman, but it never hurts to have great depth at that position. I would bet if we keep him, there will be a point next season as the year wears on that we all feel very fortunate to have 4 good DT's to start the season. ESPECIALLY since our scheme requires more from the front four than most with the risky coverages and the lack of blitzing.
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            • #7
              After seeing the shots of Williams staying on the field after everyone had left made me wonder how much him wanting to be in Green Bay mattered when it came to signing him. He isnt good enough to use the Franchise tag on but he deserves a decent contract. Everyone from this year is needed back to have a shot at success in 2008 and who the hell else is TT gonna spend the money on?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                After seeing the shots of Williams staying on the field after everyone had left made me wonder how much him wanting to be in Green Bay mattered when it came to signing him. He isnt good enough to use the Franchise tag on but he deserves a decent contract. Everyone from this year is needed back to have a shot at success in 2008 and who the hell else is TT gonna spend the money on?
                I actually viewed his personal moment the opposite way. It seemed more of a sentimental gimmick from my perspective. I wondered if he was putting on a little show to add to his FA journey he'll be taking. Don't want to sound like a dick here, but Brett showed real emotion when he teared up after the win in Chicago, you can't fake that. I didn't see CW's actions in that way. Real emotion can pour out of you, it' not something you can even control most times. CW looked very intentional in his solitude. His play during the game didn't appear to be very inspired, he certainly wasn't playing like it might be his last game. So, I thought him kneeling down on the field after an embarassing defeat looked silly. I couldn't tell if it was for him, or for the rest of GB to see. That's just me.

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                • #9
                  Actually, he spent a lot of time on the field after the win over Seattle, not knowing at the time that the Packers would be hosting the NFC Title Game. All indications are he wants to stay in Green Bay, but he knows this is his chance for a huge payday.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #10
                    yOUR ON DRUGS TO THINK 99 IS WORTH 6.5 THIS YEAR, he isn't even a starter. Not trying to be cruel Nick but you must still be drunk
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                    • #11
                      To much is made of which tackle was the "starter". Even when Jolly was healthy and was the "starter", Williams played more downs per game than Jolly did. Jolly was the "starter" because he played in their base defense alignment on 1st and 10.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by twoseven
                        I actually viewed his personal moment the opposite way. It seemed more of a sentimental gimmick from my perspective. I wondered if he was putting on a little show to add to his FA journey he'll be taking. Don't want to sound like a dick here, but Brett showed real emotion when he teared up after the win in Chicago, you can't fake that. I didn't see CW's actions in that way. Real emotion can pour out of you, it' not something you can even control most times. CW looked very intentional in his solitude. His play during the game didn't appear to be very inspired, he certainly wasn't playing like it might be his last game. So, I thought him kneeling down on the field after an embarassing defeat looked silly. I couldn't tell if it was for him, or for the rest of GB to see. That's just me.
                        Unless you saw his face or heard him speak, you have no way of knowing if his reaction was genuine or not. It very well may have been, it may not have been.

                        In recent weeks Williams has had several interviews which made him sound very disappointed that his time in GB may be ending. He came across as genuinely wanting to stay, but also realizing that as a pro athlete he has few opportunities to hit it big, and this is his. However, he did say that he would stay in GB for less than what others might offer. He is on the verge of the biggest payday he may ever see, and he almost seems sad about it.

                        I believe Williams really wants to remain a Packer, but he is not going to play for half as much as some other team will offer.

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                        • #13
                          I think we have to go "Patriot" here. There comes a time when players can earn more money that they are worth. It's then to your advantage to lettum go to another team and let that team do the over paying.

                          Williams has reached the point where you let him go and use that bread to properly manage your roster.

                          CW has reached the bye-bye point.

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                          • #14
                            Transition Tag just gives you the ability to match, right ? At this point in salary cap it sounds like a waste.

                            Is Williams better than Jenkins ???
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bretsky
                              Is Williams better than Jenkins ???
                              I think Williams was better than Jenkins this year, but was not as valuable as Jenkins, if that makes sense. GB really had no one who could take Jenkin's snaps at end and be effective at all. Certainly not KGB in the base defense. They did have players who could have rotated in, and can in the future at DT. Ironically, Williams might be a guy who could fill in for Jenkins, long term.

                              KGB is payed a handsome sum as a situational player. Williams is more of an every down player than KGB, but perhaps like our other DTs is not an every down all game player. He is still as good as the Packers have at DT on passing downs.

                              With the cap soon to be at 120 million, I have no problem with Williams at 3-4 million per year of it.

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