THE TAG AND IT'S VALUE

[RashanGary]

With the cap soon to be at 120 million, I have no problem with Williams at 3-4 million per year of it.

If this is all a 14 sack over 2 year DT in his prime gets on the UFA market, I'll shit a brick. I think he'll get 5 years 30 mil or close to.

[Patler]

With the cap soon to be at 120 million, I have no problem with Williams at 3-4 million per year of it.

If this is all a 14 sack over 2 year DT in his prime gets on the UFA market, I'll shit a brick. I think he'll get 5 years 30 mil or close to.

He very well might get that, but I hope not from the Packers.
I won't bat an eye if they give him a 4 year $16 million deal.
Even if they go to $20 million, I wouldn't care if years 3 & 4 have roster bonuses, etc. The cap (if there is one) could be approaching $150 million in 4-5 years.

[Bretsky]

With the cap soon to be at 120 million, I have no problem with Williams at 3-4 million per year of it.

If this is all a 14 sack over 2 year DT in his prime gets on the UFA market, I'll shit a brick. I think he'll get 5 years 30 mil or close to.

4 Yr 20MIL would seem fair to me

He's gone IMO

He'll get more of that in the open market

[PackerBlues]

I could care less if they re-sign him or not, I will be more than happy to leave that decision up to Thompson. All I know, is that the GB Defense was not able to put any pressure on opposing QB's all freakin year........at the least, not in any of the big games. I do not care how it is done, but that needs to be addressed.

[Patler]

I could care less if they re-sign him or not, I will be more than happy to leave that decision up to Thompson. All I know, is that the GB Defense was not able to put any pressure on opposing QB's all freakin year........at the least, not in any of the big games. I do not care how it is done, but that needs to be addressed.

The question is, where does Williams fit in to that improvement, or more accurately can the improvement come from replacing Williams? His two-year performance in 2006-2007 would seem to indicate replacing him would not help, but instead it would hurt the pass rush.

In 2007, only two DTs had more sacks than Williams, Darnell Docket with 9 and Tommie Harris with 8. Only Shaun Rogers matched Williams total among all DTs.

In 2006, only Warren Sapp with 10 and Corey Redding with 8 had more than Williams. Vonnie Holliday matched Williams 7.

For the two seasons combined, Williams has more sacks than any other DT in the league. There is a certain consistency to that that is appealing.

[Bretsky]

I could care less if they re-sign him or not, I will be more than happy to leave that decision up to Thompson. All I know, is that the GB Defense was not able to put any pressure on opposing QB's all freakin year........at the least, not in any of the big games. I do not care how it is done, but that needs to be addressed.

The question is, where does Williams fit in to that improvement, or more accurately can the improvement come from replacing Williams? His two-year performance in 2006-2007 would seem to indicate replacing him would not help, but instead it would hurt the pass rush.

In 2007, only two DTs had more sacks than Williams, Darnell Docket with 9 and Tommie Harris with 8. Only Shaun Rogers matched Williams total among all DTs.

In 2006, only Warren Sapp with 10 and Corey Redding with 8 had more than Williams. Vonnie Holliday matched Williams 7.

For the two seasons combined, Williams has more sacks than any other DT in the league. There is a certain consistency to that that is appealing.

Hence why he will get well over 4 MIL per year

[Patler]

I could care less if they re-sign him or not, I will be more than happy to leave that decision up to Thompson. All I know, is that the GB Defense was not able to put any pressure on opposing QB's all freakin year........at the least, not in any of the big games. I do not care how it is done, but that needs to be addressed.

The question is, where does Williams fit in to that improvement, or more accurately can the improvement come from replacing Williams? His two-year performance in 2006-2007 would seem to indicate replacing him would not help, but instead it would hurt the pass rush.

In 2007, only two DTs had more sacks than Williams, Darnell Docket with 9 and Tommie Harris with 8. Only Shaun Rogers matched Williams total among all DTs.

In 2006, only Warren Sapp with 10 and Corey Redding with 8 had more than Williams. Vonnie Holliday matched Williams 7.

For the two seasons combined, Williams has more sacks than any other DT in the league. There is a certain consistency to that that is appealing.

Hence why he will get well over 4 MIL per year

...and it is hard to argue that he doesn't deserve it, except that he doesn't seem to be able to produce that way if he plays too many downs. But, time will tell us soon how much other teams value 7 sacks per year from a DT situational player versus say 10 or 11 from a situational DE.

[RashanGary]

If it was my choice, I'd franchise him for one year and let him go after that. 6 mil in one year is a little high but it's one year that should be the best of his career and the last two have been very good.

After next year, I could care less if he leaves. Acctually, I hope he does. Right now though, I want to get one more really good year out of his prime.

[twoseven]

I actually viewed his personal moment the opposite way. It seemed more of a sentimental gimmick from my perspective. I wondered if he was putting on a little show to add to his FA journey he'll be taking. Don't want to sound like a dick here, but Brett showed real emotion when he teared up after the win in Chicago, you can't fake that. I didn't see CW's actions in that way. Real emotion can pour out of you, it' not something you can even control most times. CW looked very intentional in his solitude. His play during the game didn't appear to be very inspired, he certainly wasn't playing like it might be his last game. So, I thought him kneeling down on the field after an embarassing defeat looked silly. I couldn't tell if it was for him, or for the rest of GB to see. That's just me.

Unless you saw his face or heard him speak, you have no way of knowing if his reaction was genuine or not. It very well may have been, it may not have been.

In recent weeks Williams has had several interviews which made him sound very disappointed that his time in GB may be ending. He came across as genuinely wanting to stay, but also realizing that as a pro athlete he has few opportunities to hit it big, and this is his. However, he did say that he would stay in GB for less than what others might offer. He is on the verge of the biggest payday he may ever see, and he almost seems sad about it.

I believe Williams really wants to remain a Packer, but he is not going to play for half as much as some other team will offer.

Nowhere did I state flatly that I thought he was faking it, I simply wondered aloud and gave my opinion. If it seemed harsh, my apologies. But it's hard for me to feel sorry for a guy that's about to get a nice bump from somebody, he wins no matter what. There are millions of poeple that are out of their homes these days, and it's not because they got a big raise. Their tears DO move me. CW's tears at the thought of leaving GB after, what, four or five years doesn't exactly strike me as a Hallmark moment. I'm an asshole, I know it, let's move on.

Torii Hunter was just as genuine over in this neck of the woods during multiple interviews for weeks and months, very very sad about the possibility of leaving MN..right before he left a smoke trail towards LAA when they flashed the bucks. It took zero time for him to adjust to his new surroundings, he wasn't lamenting over the move anymore, you couldn't remove the smile from his face. He was doing an LAA press conference before he was even signed officially with a rally monkey on his shoulder while MN fans were still trying to figure out what happened. We'll see what happens with CW. I'm at least happy he has not gone Javon Walker on the organization, and I thank him for his time if he moves on (I would if I were him).

[Patler]

If it was my choice, I'd franchise him for one year and let him go after that. 6 mil in one year is a little high but it's one year that should be the best of his career and the last two have been very good.

After next year, I could care less if he leaves. Acctually, I hope he does. Right now though, I want to get one more really good year out of his prime.

Wht would you HOPE he leaves?
He seems to be a very unassuming, hardworking player who has caused no problems.

[KYPack]

Is Williams better than Jenkins ???

With the cap soon to be at 120 million, I have no problem with Williams at 3-4 million per year of it.

3-4 mill a year won't be anywhere close to the money CW will command on the open market. He'll get 5-6 million a year with a signing bonus. Hence, he's priced out of our range.

[RashanGary]

Wht would you HOPE he leaves?
He seems to be a very unassuming, hardworking player who has caused no problems.

I hope he does because he's just a good player in his prime and any long term deal after next year will be mostly over 30 years. Let someone else pay him. Right now, he's young and very good. I'd keep him one more year, even if it is 6 mil.

[RashanGary]

There seems to be a consensus that he will get in the neighborhood of 5 years, 30 mil.


With that in mind, we can either lock him up to a long term commitment well into his 30's at 6 mil per year or just get him for one year (his best year) for 6 mil with no real risk.


Seems to me like the franchise would be a good deal for the best year of CW's services.



As far as why I hope he leaves next year, well, that's because I don't think he's the type of player we should invest long term dollars in. We can keep him for one more year at the frachise price (pre inflation). Why not do that? It seems the most benefical for the Packers.

[RashanGary]

I just don't want to lose a good player right in his prime. One more year doesn't seem like much, but when you're 320 and playign a violent game, it's a big deal. If we keep him for one more, I'm OK with letting him go at age 29. For some reason that just sits better with me.

[BF4MVP]

Re: THE TAG AND IT'S VALUE

If the Packers slap the franchise tag on Williams, it will cost the team 6.363 mil in cap space while if they slap the transition tag on him, 5.654mil of cap space will be eaten up. IMO, he is worth neither of these two numbers.

I agree..Hopefully we can get a "hometown discount"