Official Superbowl thread

[Patler]

Is Troy Aikman the greatest ever? He did very similar things in his career (take away the magical moss season that even made Culpepper look like the best ever).

Aikman had a Hall of Fame RB, a hall of Fame WR, and some future Hall of Fame OL on that squad foe each title.

When did Aikman have near the statistical career of this year

Truth be told if you look at Aikman's annual numbers you won't see any outstanding statistical years, even with a loaded offensive unit every year

You can say the same about Starr.

Very true

Huh??? Starr lead the league in passing in 1962, 1964 and 1966. Only Baugh and Young with 6, and Dawson, Staubach and Anderson with 4 have lead the league in passing more times than Starr did.

Big deal that he lead the league in passing that wasn't really my point, his team had talent all the way around with a half a dozen if not more hall of fame players on it. Today, looking back at Starr's passing stats, you are not blown away by his numbers. The Packers of his generation had so many options on offense not to mention a very good defense, he didn't have to go out and single handedly win football games, similar to Aikman. When Starr's teams needed a play from him he usually made it, same with Aikman.

I already apologized once when Bretsky pointed out my error in understanding your meaning. I guess now I have two apologize directly to you, too.

However, since you want to keep beating this horse, having watched the Packers of the '60s I assure you that you are wrong about Starr's importance to the team. In the early '60s he was more of a cog in the wheel, and was simply asked not to make mistakes. However, during the Championship years of '65, '66 and '67 Starr is the player who made the offense go, especially '67. The team was actually in decline during those three season. Taylor and Hornung got old and left. Their replacements Anderson Grabowski, Wilson, Mercein, etc. were not as good. The offensive line was aging, and injured. The team relied on Starr more and more each season from the mid '60s on to make the offense go.

In the early '60s, there were plenty of articles about "anyone" being able to QB the Packers. That changed dramatically as the decade wore on, until Starr was recognized as a truly great leader. He earned his spot in the HOF in those later seasons, not the early ones.

In the early '60s, when a play was needed. it was often Taylor or Hornung who made it. During the three-peat, when a play was needed on offense, more often than not, it was Starr who made it.

[Deputy Nutz]

I already apologized once when Bretsky pointed out my error in understanding your meaning. I guess now I have two apologize directly to you, too.

However, since you want to keep beating this horse, having watched the Packers of the '60s I assure you that you are wrong about Starr's importance to the team. In the early '60s he was more of a cog in the wheel, and was simply asked not to make mistakes. However, during the Championship years of '65, '66 and '67 Starr is the player who made the offense go, especially '67. The team was actually in decline during those three season. Taylor and Hornung got old and left. Their replacements Anderson Grabowski, Wilson, Mercein, etc. were not as good. The offensive line was aging, and injured. The team relied on Starr more and more each season from the mid '60s on to make the offense go.

In the early '60s, there were plenty of articles about "anyone" being able to QB the Packers. That changed dramatically as the decade wore on, until Starr was recognized as a truly great leader. He earned his spot in the HOF in those later seasons, not the early ones.

In the early '60s, when a play was needed. it was often Taylor or Hornung who made it. During the three-peat, when a play was needed on offense, more often than not, it was Starr who made it.

My bad, I didn't scroll the thread before I responded. Anyways, Super II season was one that relied heavily on Starr and his arm. I did know that, I also recognize that Starr is one of the most underrated quarterbacks of all time. His play calling was fantastic even when folks thought you could stick anyone in there. Many people forget that QBs back in the day called there own plays and Starr was a master at it.