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  • #46
    Isn't this the same argument used against Free Agency?

    That was supposed to kill the Packers and other smaller markets. So far, they seem to be holding their own.

    Players forcing themselves to teams of their own choosing has been happening for decades. NFL vs. AAFC, NFL vs AFL. NFL vs World League, NFL vs. USFL, NFL vs. CFL, NFL vs. Retirement, etc. In every instance, players have tried to leverage their position for maximum return. I don't recall anyone posting about Reggie White ignoring NFL rules when he signed with the USFL. If there isn't a rival league, then threatening not to sign a contract is all you have.

    As always, good franchises have fared well, inept franchises have suffered. No number of Mannings or Elways will change that.

    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
    Originally posted by MJZiggy
    For just a second I thought I was reading a post by Madtown...I agree. If all the players tried to force their way to the good teams, how are crappy teams ever going to acquire the talent that they are supposed to be able to get when they "earn" high draft picks? If you don't like the idea of playing on a losing team, go in and play your ass off and make them better. That's the whole idea.
    Agreed.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #47
      Hey..........after having to listen to B all season, sing the glory of Tom Brady....
      All I'm saying is, Eli is not the bad kid some try to make him out to be.

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      • #48
        Brady's QB guru is now saying the coaches clearly altered their normal mode of attack in the game. That is, this was his impression watching the game.

        He took from this that the ankle may have been bothering during the game.

        So Bulldog can rest a little easier.

        Originally posted by packinpatland
        Hey..........after having to listen to B all season, sing the glory of Tom Brady....
        All I'm saying is, Eli is not a the bad kid some try to make him out to be.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #49
          I was referring to the other B......Bretsky. Is Bulldog as bad?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
            All I have to say is there is over 1500 players in the NFL and I don't have to like every single one of them.

            Eli is one I don't like, he is always making those meally mouth faces when things don't go right. He was the one who decided that New York would be the best place for him, even though the New York media is relentless and goes for the jugular time and time again. He put that on himself.
            Well stated.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #51
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
              Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
              All I have to say is there is over 1500 players in the NFL and I don't have to like every single one of them.

              Eli is one I don't like, he is always making those meally mouth faces when things don't go right. He was the one who decided that New York would be the best place for him, even though the New York media is relentless and goes for the jugular time and time again. He put that on himself.
              Well stated.
              Not to beleager this much more but........"He put that on himself"
              he sure did.......and he handled him self well. There's a ton of players that I don't 'like', but you have to respect them for doing their job and doing it well. Eli's done pretty darn good.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by packinpatland
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                All I have to say is there is over 1500 players in the NFL and I don't have to like every single one of them.

                Eli is one I don't like, he is always making those meally mouth faces when things don't go right. He was the one who decided that New York would be the best place for him, even though the New York media is relentless and goes for the jugular time and time again. He put that on himself.
                Well stated.
                Not to beleager this much more but........"He put that on himself"
                he sure did.......and he handled him self well. There's a ton of players that I don't 'like', but you have to respect them for doing their job and doing it well. Eli's done pretty darn good.
                Actually he hasn't played all that well up until the playoffs. Good for him at least he knows when to turn the consistency knob, but he hasn't really been all that good.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by cpk1994
                  Originally posted by twoseven
                  Is it gutless to make your true intentions known before a team invests it's future in you with their selection, or after you are already on the team? It may be all kinds of negative things, but it certainly isn't gutless.

                  That being said Eli should have kept his non-gutless big mouth shut and went wherver he was chosen.

                  That being said, Eli got wrung through the wringer about that draft and his play every year since that draft and has dealt with more criticism than most could take. He hung in there and made in happen in a city that doesn't forgive you for much. Cut him some slack already, he took his lumps about 50 times over and didn't quit, then he took down the Patriots. Would you rather we were getting cascaded with Patriot rah rah for the next 7 months?
                  Just becuase the Giants won and denied the Patriots doesn't mean I have to like a punk like Eli. He is a punk and I will always think of him as one. I think even less of his father.
                  Yeah, that's fine, but at least I jedi-mind tricked ya into not calling him gutless in your last post.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    For just a second I thought I was reading a post by Madtown...I agree. If all the players tried to force their way to the good teams, how are crappy teams ever going to acquire the talent that they are supposed to be able to get when they "earn" high draft picks? If you don't like the idea of playing on a losing team, go in and play your ass off and make them better. That's the whole idea.
                    Agreed.
                    Agreed. NFL needs a competitive league or it will destroy itself. NFL would become like most major Euro Soccer leagues where only a few teams can win Championships. I hope it never happens but player greed will eat at it.
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