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    No decision on Williams, Thompson says

    By Pete Dougherty
    pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com February 12, 2008

    The odds look long on the Green Bay Packers re-signing defensive tackle Corey Williams, though they haven't given up on it.


    The Packers have been in contact with Williams' agent, and the sides have discussed contract parameters. But considering the possibility Williams could be the most coveted defensive tackle available in a thin free-agent crop this offseason, he could be in for a payday on the open market that General Manager Ted Thompson would consider too steep because of the Packers' depth at that position.


    Thompson could use the Packers' franchise tag on Williams by the Feb. 21 deadline, and said Monday he has not ruled out that possibility, though the $6.263 million tender would be high for a rotational player at a deep position. If the Packers don't sign or tag him, Williams becomes an unrestricted free agent Feb. 29.


    "I'd say ongoing," Thompson said of the Packers' talks with Mitch Frankel, who is Williams' agent. "It's safe to say there were some differences of opinion of where it was headed. We have guys here, (pro personnel director) Reggie McKenzie and (personnel analyst for the general manager) John Schneider, that have touched base with all those (pending free agents) and certainly have talked to Corey's people and let them know we still like him and still would like to have him on the team."


    Williams is the Packers' lone unrestricted free agent of note — he started nine games, and his seven sacks was third on the team and tops among the club's defensive tackles. The Packers will be about $25 million under the cap when the new league year begins, so they have the money to pay Williams a sizeable contract, but defensive tackle is their deepest position, and Thompson has helped build a healthy cap by being careful about the salary structure of the roster.


    Though Williams probably was their best pass rusher at defensive tackle, the Packers have an up-and-coming defensive tackle of even more promise in third-year pro Johnny Jolly, who arguably was playing better than Williams before his season ended with a shoulder injury in the 10th game. Jolly had surgery and faces a relatively long comeback, though the Packers expect him ready for the start of training camp at the latest.


    The Packers also return starter Ryan Pickett, their best run stopper, and Justin Harrell, their first-round draft pick last year. They'll be looking for Harrell to make a major jump from his nondescript rookie season after spending this offseason in their workout program.


    "We're big believers in improving from within," Thompson said, "and we'd expect all of our players, including Justin, to improve. We felt like we made great strides last offseason, and I think that's the reason we were successful this season as a team is our individual players worked very hard and got better. Each of them improved in areas they needed to improve. So yeah, we'd hope for improvement from everyone, including Justin."


    Tennessee's Albert Haynesworth will be the best defensive tackle available in free agency if he hits the open market, but chances are he won't. If the Titans don't re-sign him soon, they're expected to use their franchise tag on him, which will make him all but unavailable because it will cost another team two first-round draft picks as compensation to sign him. Williams at 27 might be the next-best defensive tackle on some or many teams' boards, so he could be looking at guaranteed money as high as $10 million on the open market from a team desperate for a starting-caliber defensive tackle.


    By comparison, Pickett in 2006 signed a four-year deal with the Packers that included $6.5 million in first-year pay and averages about $4 million a season.


    Along with how hard to pursue Williams, Thompson has several other decisions to make this month. Among those are to map out a plan for free agency; whether to bring back highly paid veterans Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila and Bubba Franks; and what tenders to offer to his restricted free agents.


    Thompson was unusually inactive in free agency last year, when the only unrestricted free agent he signed was backup cornerback Frank Walker, who signed a one-year deal won't be back. With the $25 million in cap room and a team that advanced to the NFC championship game, Thompson probably will be more active in free agency in an attempt to get the team over the hump and into the Super Bowl.


    Judging by his first three offseasons running the Packers, Thompson is less likely to pursue the most-coveted free agents, who generally sign inflated deals in the first few days of free agency, and more likely to go after players still on the market after a week or 10 days. The Packers could use an upgrade at any number of positions — a tight end, a starting guard, a linebacker, an outside pass rusher, a cornerback — and Thompson and his scouting staff will have to decide whether the draft or free agency offers better opportunities at each spot.

    Thompson also will have to decide whether to pursue a pay cut from Gbaja-Biamila as a pass-rush specialist. Gbaja-Biamila, 30, will make a base salary of $6.15 million in '08. He plays a crucial pass-rush role, but that might be on the high side for a part-time player who had a solid but not great season (9½ sacks). The best pass rushers who could be free agents probably won't make the open market — Kansas City President Carl Peterson has said he'll use the franchise tag on defensive end Jared Allen, and the Baltimore Ravens are expected to do the same with defensive end-outside linebacker Terrell Suggs.


    Franks' base salary for '08 is $3 million and he's due a $500,000 roster bonus in March, but he's had a chronic knee injury the past couple of years that sidelined him for eight games last season. If the 30-year-old Franks doesn't accept a substantial pay cut, the Packers will have to consider cutting ties with him.

    The Packers' two restricted free agents are defensive tackle Colin Cole and halfback Vernand Morency. Cole helped make defensive tackle the team's deepest position last year before a broken forearm ended his season in the fourth game. He's a good candidate for the $927,000 minimum tender — the Packers then will retain the right to match any deal he signs with another team but won't get compensation if they don't match because he entered the league as an undrafted rookie. If they think another team would sign him, they could offer the second-round tender of $1.417 million, and have the right to match or get a second-round pick as compensation.


    The decision with Morency is whether to tender him at all because of patellar-tendon injury that limited him all last season and could be a chronic problem. The minimum tender in effect will guarantee his return to the Packers, because he entered the league as a third-round pick, and it's a certainty no NFL team would give up that high a draft pick to sign him.


    Thompson also might consider signing former Packers guard Mike Wahle to compete for a starting job. Carolina cut the 30-year-old Wahle on Monday.

  • #2
    Re: No decision on Williams... Wahle back in GB?

    Originally posted by packers11
    Thompson also might consider signing former Packers guard Mike Wahle to compete for a starting job. Carolina cut the 30-year-old Wahle on Monday.
    rather thin report there. he might do a lot of things. might take a vacation to belgium. might marry a girl.

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    • #3
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      Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that former Panthers guard Mike Wahle is traveling to Seattle on Tuesday night for a Wednesday meeting with the Seahawks.

      Wahle was dropped by the Panthers on Monday, in a move that will be processed as a post-June 1 transaction for cap purposes.

      Wahle was a second-round selection of the Packers in the 1998 supplemental draft, which coincidentally was the last year in Green Bay for former head coach Mike Holmgren. Now, as the Big Show is getting ready to let the curtain fall on his career in Seattle after the 2008 season, they could be reunited for another one-year stint together.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Brando19
        http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
        Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that former Panthers guard Mike Wahle is traveling to Seattle on Tuesday night for a Wednesday meeting with the Seahawks.

        Wahle was dropped by the Panthers on Monday, in a move that will be processed as a post-June 1 transaction for cap purposes.

        Wahle was a second-round selection of the Packers in the 1998 supplemental draft, which coincidentally was the last year in Green Bay for former head coach Mike Holmgren. Now, as the Big Show is getting ready to let the curtain fall on his career in Seattle after the 2008 season, they could be reunited for another one-year stint together.
        Seems like a more likely scenario than a return trip to Packerland. I've read Wahle was not heartbroken to leave GB to begin with. He'd likely view Seattle as just as good an opportunity for a long playoff run.

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        • #5
          My 2 cents? Let Bubba go. Not even close in worth to salary. A joke. He was made by Favre, never had 'ecxeptional' talent. Favre's rocket arm in the red zone MADE him. Pick up Wahle (has A LOT left in the tank, isn't even close to losing it, and would be able to sink right in with his buddies on the end of the line), and get Jared Allen. This player is the PERFECT fit. He would compliment Aaron and he would probably come here if courted with roses. He would look at GB as a team who was a win away from the Trophy and he would know that he could have a MONSTER year opposite a probowler. If we offer him more than the next guy, my bet is he comes to TitleTown. With those two upgrades, ANYTHING is possible. We would have a great secondary, VERY goood backer core, and one of the best if not the best d-lines in the league. Imagine that with Favre tossing it to athletic receivers that are either probowlers, second or third year men, not to mention an improved line with Mr. Grant hitting the holes? Those TWO acquisitions would, IMHO, catipult us to one of the greatest team assembled, assuming Lord Favre returns. God, I hope TT sees it my way!
          "...one thing about me during the course of a game, I get emotional and say things my grandmother lets me know about later. But nobody wants to win on that field anymore than I do, no one." Brett Favre

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          • #6
            Jared Allen likely won't be available.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #7
              IMO Allen will get tagged

              IMO Wahle would be a good addition; open up the competition at OG for the other spot cuz Wahle would start. He still plays at a level our OG's are not at and I don't think he'd come as expensive as some others.
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Hear we go again bashing a player that had a solid year when he wasn't injured. Franks played very well for us this season and if it wasn't for his injury on a blown call by the officials, he would have made a difference. Is he worth what he is getting paid? Maybe maybe not. But to call him a "joke" is as naive as it gets.

                I really hate the off season.
                "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                – Benjamin Franklin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Merlin
                  Hear we go again bashing a player that had a solid year when he wasn't injured. Franks played very well for us this season and if it wasn't for his injury on a blown call by the officials, he would have made a difference. Is he worth what he is getting paid? Maybe maybe not. But to call him a "joke" is as naive as it gets.

                  I really hate the off season.
                  I agree, who else are you going to get that is as good if not better than Bubba? Franks is one of the top blockers at the tight end position in the league.

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                  • #10
                    people that dont know football well think bubba sucks because they look at his stat line instead of looking at what he does when he's on the field ALL the time.. not just catching passes, but ALL the time

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                    • #11
                      Bubba is very solid at blocking... Hes probably better than our guards...

                      But in all seriousness, i hope the packers keep him... Hes a good veteran leader and a really solid blocker...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Farley Face
                        Originally posted by Brando19
                        http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
                        Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that former Panthers guard Mike Wahle is traveling to Seattle on Tuesday night for a Wednesday meeting with the Seahawks.

                        Wahle was dropped by the Panthers on Monday, in a move that will be processed as a post-June 1 transaction for cap purposes.

                        Wahle was a second-round selection of the Packers in the 1998 supplemental draft, which coincidentally was the last year in Green Bay for former head coach Mike Holmgren. Now, as the Big Show is getting ready to let the curtain fall on his career in Seattle after the 2008 season, they could be reunited for another one-year stint together.
                        Seems like a more likely scenario than a return trip to Packerland. I've read Wahle was not heartbroken to leave GB to begin with. He'd likely view Seattle as just as good an opportunity for a long playoff run.
                        If I remember right, while he wasn't heartbroken over leaving, he also did have his ego/pride hurt though as he thought he would be a Packer forever.
                        "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                        • #13
                          Jared Allen will be back in KC.

                          If they can't sign him long term, he'll be tagged.

                          Mike Wahle will sign a multi-year deal with a nice signing bonus. It would be long odds that the Pack will join in the bidding for him that will take place.

                          Bubba had an awful '06, but came back with a productive year in '07. Lee has passed him on the depth chart and in the bank account. Franks will be scrutinized in camp, but unless someone beats him out, he'll be a Packer in '08.

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                          • #14
                            Wahle and his wife wanted to be in a bigger community than Green Bay. They didn't like the constant attention, they were also used to living in bigger cities. Wahle might have been one of the first Packers to back his U-haul out the drive way.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ND72
                              Originally posted by Farley Face
                              Originally posted by Brando19
                              http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
                              Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that former Panthers guard Mike Wahle is traveling to Seattle on Tuesday night for a Wednesday meeting with the Seahawks.

                              Wahle was dropped by the Panthers on Monday, in a move that will be processed as a post-June 1 transaction for cap purposes.

                              Wahle was a second-round selection of the Packers in the 1998 supplemental draft, which coincidentally was the last year in Green Bay for former head coach Mike Holmgren. Now, as the Big Show is getting ready to let the curtain fall on his career in Seattle after the 2008 season, they could be reunited for another one-year stint together.
                              Seems like a more likely scenario than a return trip to Packerland. I've read Wahle was not heartbroken to leave GB to begin with. He'd likely view Seattle as just as good an opportunity for a long playoff run.
                              If I remember right, while he wasn't heartbroken over leaving, he also did have his ego/pride hurt though as he thought he would be a Packer forever.
                              Wouldn't you guess he understands the business a little? If you think about it, Carolina had to do the same thing (don't know if exact same circumstances) as the Packers in 2005. Now, the Packers are cap healthy, so why not the Packers? I bet he would take Packer money again, unless for some reason unknown to us, he had a bad time in Green Bay. It all depends on the bidding for him, if he gets any interest from TT, and likes what he hears. I'd like him back. He addresses a big need.

                              Allen probably will be tagged. Bubba will be a tough call. I agree on his "hidden" contributions. They'll have to decide if he's worth the money; I think he is. Williams will find a richer deal. KGB will be the toughest one. Perhaps he will restructure to stay.
                              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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