Clemens, Farve, and a Sacrilegious Question

[oregonpackfan]

I would be terribly surprised and deeply disappointed if we were to learn that Favre was taking steroids and/or HGH.

Though all professional athletes should not be above suspicion, I think steroid abuse by Favre would be highly unlikely.

[MJZiggy]

And remind me of the problem I'd have with that again?

I know you're kidding, but since you asked..
The guy will be saving all of his energy for a different kind of pumping workout, he would be too busy living in the gym and worrying about his sleep and nutrition to waste time being inspected. Not to mention the male PMS he has every day of the month from his overblown testosterone levels that could make a woman's look like a nice walk in the park. You'll do better performing your checks on the steroid free body, it's much safer for you physically and the guy won't be opting to stare at himself rather than into your eyes when it's over..then again I just eluded to what might be considered a romp in the sack with an unsatiable modern day barbarian that will show himself to the door immediately after.. yee hah.

I was kidding. Worked in a gym in college and we had a couple users there. Not the kind of guys I really wanna be hangin' with.

[twoseven]

And remind me of the problem I'd have with that again?

I know you're kidding, but since you asked..
The guy will be saving all of his energy for a different kind of pumping workout, he would be too busy living in the gym and worrying about his sleep and nutrition to waste time being inspected. Not to mention the male PMS he has every day of the month from his overblown testosterone levels that could make a woman's look like a nice walk in the park. You'll do better performing your checks on the steroid free body, it's much safer for you physically and the guy won't be opting to stare at himself rather than into your eyes when it's over..then again I just eluded to what might be considered a romp in the sack with an unsatiable modern day barbarian that will show himself to the door immediately after.. yee hah.

So you are saying less is better? :P

That's NOT what I said. (27 puffs out his chest)

Looks like Zig already knows what I am talking about. Interacting with dudes that are on the juice can bring on a whole other definition of abusive realtionship, literally. Bad news.

You just stick to that Michael Schofield, he'll never break your heart..or your arm.

[Kiwon]

Re: Clemens, Favre, and a Sacrilegious Question

In any interview, television or print, has Brett Favre ever been asked directly whether he has used steroids or other performance enhancing drugs during his professional career?

Please don't speculate. If you know for sure that he has been asked this question and answered it please give the details of when and where the interview appeared.

YHELLO! The drug-testing discussion thus far is interesting but I asked about a press interview.

My question is whether Farve has been asked directly about steroids, HGH, etc. and is on record with an answer.

You guys have a PhD in Packerology. If he has, I bet you can remember it.

Brett Farve is about the most unassuming "hero" there is, but wait and see if this topic won't come up somewhere. We all might be defending him. I think he's clean too, but I'd like to know if he has directly answered the question before.

[Guiness]

And remind me of the problem I'd have with that again?

lol Zig - that's about as forward as ya can be, eh? Well, they could be sterile, but maybe that's a good thing too? Unless yer looking ta rope em into a Travis Henry type of deal :P

ya, twoseven's got a lot of it right. Never heard it refered to as male PMS, but I've seen some guys with nasty temperment that I'd attribute to roids. And ya, they were moody, is it actually due to fluctuation (fake) hormone levels?

Worst thing I saw though was a couple of guys who got 'bitch tits'.

[twoseven]

And remind me of the problem I'd have with that again?

lol Zig - that's about as forward as ya can be, eh? Well, they could be sterile, but maybe that's a good thing too? Unless yer looking ta rope em into a Travis Henry type of deal :P

ya, twoseven's got a lot of it right. Never heard it refered to as male PMS, but I've seen some guys with nasty temperment that I'd attribute to roids. And ya, they were moody, is it actually due to fluctuation (fake) hormone levels?

Worst thing I saw though was a couple of guys who got 'bitch tits'.

Gynomastia

That's what you get for fooling around with hormone levels. Boost the Testosterone, the Estrogen can rise to balance things out and bam, Steve's got himself a nice pair of boobies with plump aereola, just in time for the fashion shows.

[GrnBay007]

You just stick to that Michael Schofield, he'll never break your heart..or your arm.

:P

Life is rough these days. I'm having a very difficult time choosing between Michael and Sucre.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Re: Clemens, Favre, and a Sacrilegious Question

In any interview, television or print, has Brett Favre ever been asked directly whether he has used steroids or other performance enhancing drugs during his professional career?

Please don't speculate. If you know for sure that he has been asked this question and answered it please give the details of when and where the interview appeared.

YHELLO! The drug-testing discussion thus far is interesting but I asked about a press interview.

My question is whether Favre has been asked directly about steroids, HGH, etc. and is on record with an answer.

You guys have a PhD in Packerology. If he has, I bet you can remember it.

Brett Favre is about the most unassuming "hero" there is, but wait and see if this topic won't come up somewhere. We all might be defending him. I think he's clean too, but I'd like to know if he has directly answered the question before.

First off, the article you linked to does not state any of those players have been accused of being on 'roids or HGH. It's simply a poll of which media darling the masses would like to see fall to this type of claim.

Secondly, why would he be asked? What proof is there? There would be no basis for this question and it would get a reporter in hot water without any type of evidence suggesting it.

[packinpatland]

With Brady coming in at almost 50% doesn't mean he's taken steroids, just means he's at the top of his game and there's a really lot of folks out there that would rather he wasn't.

Kinda of a stupid poll actually.

[cpk1994]

The NFL steroid fallout happened in the mid-eighties when all of the abuse that was going on for the last 25 years came out. Guys like Alzado and Matusak led he way. There seemed to be a health risk that drove the NFL cleanup, unlike MLB which seems more about records and stats and dollars. MLB is 20 years behind them, but it will end the same..CLEANER and CONTROLLED. A purge happened in the NFL and it is very necessarily happening in baseball right now.

Many do not like Congress stepping in with MLB. I can accept that, but it took Congress' threats of legislation to bust a tough MLB players union into cooperating with a limp dick of a commisioner Selig who were doing NOTHING to fix the problems at hand. It worked, and MLB is on its way to getting cleaned up.

NOt to jack the thread, but if you are going to blame Selig for the steroid mess, than equal blame better be given to Donald Fehr and the players union. Selig is pretty much powerless becuase anything he could have done, Fehr would have swooped in and stopped it.

[twoseven]

The NFL steroid fallout happened in the mid-eighties when all of the abuse that was going on for the last 25 years came out. Guys like Alzado and Matusak led he way. There seemed to be a health risk that drove the NFL cleanup, unlike MLB which seems more about records and stats and dollars. MLB is 20 years behind them, but it will end the same..CLEANER and CONTROLLED. A purge happened in the NFL and it is very necessarily happening in baseball right now.

Many do not like Congress stepping in with MLB. I can accept that, but it took Congress' threats of legislation to bust a tough MLB players union into cooperating with a limp dick of a commisioner Selig who were doing NOTHING to fix the problems at hand. It worked, and MLB is on its way to getting cleaned up.

NOt to jack the thread, but if you are going to blame Selig for the steroid mess, than equal blame better be given to Donald Fehr and the players union. Selig is pretty much powerless becuase anything he could have done, Fehr would have swooped in and stopped it.

I did.

[Kiwon]

Re: Clemens, Favre, and a Sacrilegious Question

In any interview, television or print, has Brett Favre ever been asked directly whether he has used steroids or other performance enhancing drugs during his professional career?

Please don't speculate. If you know for sure that he has been asked this question and answered it please give the details of when and where the interview appeared.

YHELLO! The drug-testing discussion thus far is interesting but I asked about a press interview.

My question is whether Favre has been asked directly about steroids, HGH, etc. and is on record with an answer.

You guys have a PhD in Packerology. If he has, I bet you can remember it.

Brett Favre is about the most unassuming "hero" there is, but wait and see if this topic won't come up somewhere. We all might be defending him. I think he's clean too, but I'd like to know if he has directly answered the question before.

First off, the article you linked to does not state any of those players have been accused of being on 'roids or HGH. It's simply a poll of which media darling the masses would like to see fall to this type of claim.

Secondly, why would he be asked? What proof is there? There would be no basis for this question and it would get a reporter in hot water without any type of evidence suggesting it.

One, since no one answered the question I would have to assume that Farve has not been asked and answered the question about steroids, etc. in relation to his professional career before.

Second, it's the steroids, HGH, blood-doping era in Sports. Cheating is an issue that is front and center.

Athletes like Farve that perform at a high level at an advanced age will be under suspicion by his critics, with or without justification. The question will be asked sometime, just wait. Maybe not by a Green Bay-based reporter, but by someone in the broader sports media.

And I don't think the reporter that asks him that question would be in any hot water at all (outside of Green Bay). Again, given today's climate, many cynics in sports journalism will see it as a legitimate question for an older, iconic, high-profile player still playing near the top of his game. This is especially true if a former sure-fire Baseball Hall of Famer like Clemens turns out to be a liar and cheat.

Granted, it's a distasteful question for Packer fans, but I bet it's a question that Brett will be asked and answer within the next 12 months.

[twoseven]

We'll see if some of these questions get asked..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3252386

'Hank Steinbrenner says football has bigger steroid problem than baseball

TAMPA, Fla. -- Hank Steinbrenner insists baseball is being picked on for its trouble with performance-enhancing drugs, and claims the problem is bigger in football.

"I don't like baseball being singled out," the New York Yankees senior vice president said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press on Monday night.

"Everybody that knows sports knows football is tailor-made for performance-enhancing drugs. I don't know how they managed to skate by. It irritates me. Don't tell me it's not more prevalent. The number in football is at least twice as many. Look at the speed and size of those players."

Answered NFL spokesman Greg Aiello: "We've had year-round random testing with immediate suspensions since 1990 and we conduct approximately 12,000 steroids tests a year."

Steinbrenner's comments came after Andy Pettitte met with reporters for the first time since the Yankees pitcher was named in the Mitchell report. Two days after the report was released in December, Pettitte confirmed he used human growth hormone in 2002; two weeks ago, he told congressional investigators he also used HGH for one day in 2004.

"A lot of baseball people thought that baseball would be the last sport that it would be a problem in and probably just ignored it too long," Steinbrenner said. "But the fact is it's been in football a long time and it's been in basketball, I'm sure. Why baseball is being singled out, I don't know. I don't know. I know all the excuses -- `Well, it's America's game and it's the statistics.'

"That's not an excuse. If a sport is riddled with it, it's riddled with it. Why aren't they looking at the NFL?" he said.

Steinbrenner said baseball will "clean up the game."

"We're going to do it," he said.'

[twoseven]

Steinbrenner's idiotic comments are a testament to the bubble that some of MLB has been living in for the last three decades.

[Patler]

Baseball is being singled out because it has staunchly refused any meaningful drug testing program until recently. The NFL has been testing for a long, long time. The NFL was the leader in developing a drug testing program and was ahead of not only all pro sports but also most international sports authorities testing.