Clemens, Farve, and a Sacrilegious Question

[Iron Mike]

Worst thing I saw though was a couple of guys who got 'bitch tits'.

Gynomastia

That's what you get for fooling around with hormone levels. Boost the Testosterone, the Estrogen can rise to balance things out and bam, Steve's got himself a nice pair of boobies with plump aereola, just in time for the fashion shows.

It's actually gynecomastia.



It's actually more common to see supernumerary nipples:

[Cheesehead Craig]

Re: Clemens, Favre, and a Sacrilegious Question

In any interview, television or print, has Brett Favre ever been asked directly whether he has used steroids or other performance enhancing drugs during his professional career?

Please don't speculate. If you know for sure that he has been asked this question and answered it please give the details of when and where the interview appeared.

YHELLO! The drug-testing discussion thus far is interesting but I asked about a press interview.

My question is whether Favre has been asked directly about steroids, HGH, etc. and is on record with an answer.

You guys have a PhD in Packerology. If he has, I bet you can remember it.

Brett Favre is about the most unassuming "hero" there is, but wait and see if this topic won't come up somewhere. We all might be defending him. I think he's clean too, but I'd like to know if he has directly answered the question before.

First off, the article you linked to does not state any of those players have been accused of being on 'roids or HGH. It's simply a poll of which media darling the masses would like to see fall to this type of claim.

Secondly, why would he be asked? What proof is there? There would be no basis for this question and it would get a reporter in hot water without any type of evidence suggesting it.

One, since no one answered the question I would have to assume that Favre has not been asked and answered the question about steroids, etc. in relation to his professional career before.

Second, it's the steroids, HGH, blood-doping era in Sports. Cheating is an issue that is front and center.

Athletes like Favre that perform at a high level at an advanced age will be under suspicion by his critics, with or without justification. The question will be asked sometime, just wait. Maybe not by a Green Bay-based reporter, but by someone in the broader sports media.

And I don't think the reporter that asks him that question would be in any hot water at all (outside of Green Bay). Again, given today's climate, many cynics in sports journalism will see it as a legitimate question for an older, iconic, high-profile player still playing near the top of his game. This is especially true if a former sure-fire Baseball Hall of Famer like Clemens turns out to be a liar and cheat.

Granted, it's a distasteful question for Packer fans, but I bet it's a question that Brett will be asked and answer within the next 12 months.

Or they will use their brains and realize he got more talent around him than he's had in the last 3-4 years.

Dear heavens Chicken Little, give it a rest.

[Patler]

Any improvement by Favre in 2007 compared to previous years was based on decision making and game plans, not physical performance. He hasn't had a physical reawakening as so many baseball players seemed to have in their mid-30s recently.

[cpk1994]

The NFL steroid fallout happened in the mid-eighties when all of the abuse that was going on for the last 25 years came out. Guys like Alzado and Matusak led he way. There seemed to be a health risk that drove the NFL cleanup, unlike MLB which seems more about records and stats and dollars. MLB is 20 years behind them, but it will end the same..CLEANER and CONTROLLED. A purge happened in the NFL and it is very necessarily happening in baseball right now.

Many do not like Congress stepping in with MLB. I can accept that, but it took Congress' threats of legislation to bust a tough MLB players union into cooperating with a limp dick of a commisioner Selig who were doing NOTHING to fix the problems at hand. It worked, and MLB is on its way to getting cleaned up.

NOt to jack the thread, but if you are going to blame Selig for the steroid mess, than equal blame better be given to Donald Fehr and the players union. Selig is pretty much powerless becuase anything he could have done, Fehr would have swooped in and stopped it.

I did.

Opps, I missed that line. I will make an appointment with the optometrist immediately.

[cpk1994]

Steinbrenner's idiotic comments are a testament to the bubble that some of MLB has been living in for the last three decades.

It also proves the old saying, "the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree".

[Merlin]

When it comes to steriod usage I normally look to what a player looked like earlier in their career vs. now. Barry Bonds was a stick and now he is huge (for example). Favre hasn't changed all that much in physical appearance. Clemens has some but not a lot. Whether or not he takes them, hell whether or not Clemens took them, should be analyzed by the length of use. It appears that Clemens isn't on steroids all day every day and that it did not impact his career. Unlike Steriod Bonds, Mark McGuire, etc where it was obvious something was in the water with those guys.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When it comes to steriod usage I normally look to what a player looked like earlier in their career vs. now. Barry Bonds was a stick and now he is huge (for example). Favre hasn't changed all that much in physical appearance. Clemens has some but not a lot. Whether or not he takes them, hell whether or not Clemens took them, should be analyzed by the length of use. It appears that Clemens isn't on steroids all day every day and that it did not impact his career. Unlike Steriod Bonds, Mark McGuire, etc where it was obvious something was in the water with those guys.

You are so wrong it hurts. Go look at his career before he left boston.

[twoseven]

Worst thing I saw though was a couple of guys who got 'bitch tits'.

Gynomastia

That's what you get for fooling around with hormone levels. Boost the Testosterone, the Estrogen can rise to balance things out and bam, Steve's got himself a nice pair of boobies with plump aereola, just in time for the fashion shows.

It's actually gynecomastia.

Most I know drop the C when speaking it. I don't pronounce the 'C' because it makes it sound even more feminine, very appropriate I think.

[twoseven]

Baseball is being singled out because it has staunchly refused any meaningful drug testing program until recently. The NFL has been testing for a long, long time. The NFL was the leader in developing a drug testing program and was ahead of not only all pro sports but also most international sports authorities testing.

Not to mention that McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, Bonds, and Clemens would all be making their way into the HOF already or very soon, before all of the fallout. That and the records that have fallen to Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa and the numerous Cy Youngs Clemens has secured in the last decade.

MLB prides itself on statistics, records, and purity. How can any fan of the game NOT think this would be a major deal that wouldn't procede quietly once these big names got called out? If it weren't for these HOF caliber players and this kind of timing it wouldn't be nearly as vocalized as it has been. If any NFL players that were about to enter the HOF were nipped for roids shortly beforehand I wonder if they would have made it in.

Steinbrenner is a putz.

[NewsBruin]

Favre doesn't have the bloated, sudden Cro-Magnan appearance other famous HGH/roid users have.

(Don't worry, Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi, I'm not talking about you. )

And, as it's been said before, along with no increased head, nose, hand, and foot size, Brett doesn't have the spike in athletic performance that Bonds and Clemens had. Nor does he have the listed physical ailments (like knee and back tendinitis or torn muscles) that the more famous playesr have had. And frankly, he's withdrawn and not prone to violence or hyperaggression like the other guys.

But I'm not buying that the NFL is clean. Sauerbrun and three other Panthers were caught using steroids, and the charges did not come from NFL testing. Roids get masked. Insulin/HGH combination is currently not tested for. I'd guess that at least half the league smokes marijuana and cleanses.

I wouldn't be surprised if any modern athlete (other than Greg Maddux) got caught using something. If we played the hypothetical game, though, I couldnt see Favre using something heavily or for anything other than rehabilitation.

With his rage, chronic tendinitis, and Nebraska pedigree, I always looked squintily at Ahman Green. And that Travis Jervey fella...well, something wasn't right with him, either.