Goodell has character issues of his own.

[The Leaper]

If he is staying at a motel/hotel..what is the problem? Perhaps he has other issues because of this that we don't know about. If it is 2 story..and no lift how does he get around. Or maybe he has trouble breathing and excess dust is bad for him? I don't know, neither do you.

I don't know and neither do you. So, either of us could be 100% correct. Considering how well Vegas real estate was going in the decade prior to 2006, this couple should not have been struggling for money if he was in real estate. I doubt he needed to take up a second job at a strip club to get money for his wife's education. He worked there because it was lucrative and I'm guessing the couple liked money. That's well and good. However, his business was lucrative because it has risk. There ain't much pay to be a garbageman...but there ain't much risk either.

I'm not overly sorry for someone who took a risk and got burned. If he was someone just walking by a strip club who got capped in the crossfire, I'd feel more pity. Working as a bouncer at a strip club is a risky enterprise...not necessarily for being shot, but it isn't out of the question. If you take that gig, you should know the risks that come with it. And unlike other dangerous professions, operating a strip club really isn't viewed as a great service to society.

You can defend strip clubs all you want...they aren't welcome around most residential areas for a reason, and it has nothing to do with religion or puritanism. If you can't understand that reason, that is on you.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If he is staying at a motel/hotel..what is the problem? Perhaps he has other issues because of this that we don't know about. If it is 2 story..and no lift how does he get around. Or maybe he has trouble breathing and excess dust is bad for him? I don't know, neither do you.

I don't know and neither do you. So, either of us could be 100% correct. Considering how well Vegas real estate was going in the decade prior to 2006, this couple should not have been struggling for money if he was in real estate. I doubt he needed to take up a second job at a strip club to get money for his wife's education. He worked there because it was lucrative and I'm guessing the couple liked money. That's well and good. However, his business was lucrative because it has risk. There ain't much pay to be a garbageman...but there ain't much risk either.

I'm not overly sorry for someone who took a risk and got burned. If he was someone just walking by a strip club who got capped in the crossfire, I'd feel more pity. Working as a bouncer at a strip club is a risky enterprise...not necessarily for being shot, but it isn't out of the question. If you take that gig, you should know the risks that come with it. And unlike other dangerous professions, operating a strip club really isn't viewed as a great service to society.

You can defend strip clubs all you want...they aren't welcome around most residential areas for a reason, and it has nothing to do with religion or puritanism. If you can't understand that reason, that is on you.

Well, if anything you are foolishly consistent.

Let's review. First you were bitching because he was doing million dollars on his house. Proven wrong.

Now you switch to a dangerous job argument. Nice, you are blaming the victim. Classy move.

Now, you are saying he shoulda done better in the real estate market. That is rich. Neither you nor i know how long he was working in it. Or how successful he was at it. Or how he spent his money. Perhaps he is now overextened on his mortage...or most likely quite a bit of his money has been spent on medical bills.

Under your logic, any legal or illegal alien that moves to this country is at fault if they are ever shot. Clearly they knew that the U.S. is a violent country in which guns are routinely carried by private citizens...legally or illegally.

Or those who toil and convenience stores or liquor stores clearly know that they get robbed so they are to blame for their deaths should they get shot.

And, anyone who attends a school who gets shot is at fault. They should know that schools have been involved in shootings, both at the college and high school level. Homeschooling is the only solution.

Clearly you don't know much about Vegas as shootings and such are quite rare. And, strip clubs don't have a history of VIOLENCE. They are kept out of residential neighborhoods because of SEX and children..not because of violence.

Just like Adult bookstores, liquor stores, gun stores, etc.

THe point, which you consistently miss is that i don't make judgements till the facts are in..which i did with Taylor..whereas you jump to your conclusions and make judgements. And, you were wrong about taylor.

[The Leaper]

Let's review. First you were bitching because he was doing million dollars on his house. Proven wrong.

Not really. What was posted in this thread stated quite clearly that that millions were done in renovations. I guess it is my bad that whoever wrote that story didn't have a clue. I'm not an investigative journalist...I'm not required to sit here and do an hour of research before I type something.

Now you switch to a dangerous job argument. Nice, you are blaming the victim. Classy move.

I didn't blame the victim. I'm pointing out that he should have been well aware of the risks of working as a bouncer/manager at a strip club. It isn't quite the same as being a secretary for a legal firm. Is there fault in that statement?

Now, you are saying he shoulda done better in the real estate market.

No I'm not. It is clear that he DID do well in the real estate market, which is why the couple moved into their dream house. My point is that this "second job" which you seem to believe was something done out of necessity was really something that this guy enjoyed. He WANTED to work at the strip club. He LIKED it. It was bringing him a lot of coin, I suppose...but I seriously doubt he worked there because he HAD to. You don't get a gig as a bouncer or manager at an "upscale" strip club because you have to...you work your way up to that.

You are letting yourself get pulled into some sob story. I've always maintained that this was unfortunate...and it is in no way this guy's fault he got shot. That is entirely on whoever pulled the trigger...and probably secondarily on Pacman Jones.

Perhaps he is now overextened on his mortage...or most likely quite a bit of his money has been spent on medical bills.

I don't doubt the medical bills...but I doubt the financial crisis that caused him to work a "second job", as you suggest, prior to his being shot.

There was no crisis...this wasn't a case of this couple being hard on their luck. They had plenty of cash flow, but probably were also living well outside their means. Again...well and good, until something bad happens. We all have to prepare for the unexpected. If you take the risk of living high on the hog with no safety net, I'm not going to sit here and boo-hoo for you when life yanks on your chain.

Under your logic, any legal or illegal alien that moves to this country is at fault if they are ever shot. Clearly they knew that the U.S. is a violent country in which guns are routinely carried by private citizens...legally or illegally.

Or those who toil and convenience stores or liquor stores clearly know that they get robbed so they are to blame for their deaths should they get shot.

And, anyone who attends a school who gets shot is at fault. They should know that schools have been involved in shootings, both at the college and high school level. Homeschooling is the only solution.

Way to twist everything, Ty. You clearly feel this couple was somehow barely eeking by prior to this incident...so much so that this guy needed to work extra jobs to help put his wife through school. I'll bet he drove a 1979 Datsun too...all rusted out. I bet their dream home was a beat up trailer.

Most bouncers/mangers at "upscale" strip clubs in Vegas probably earn under the pverty level, don't you think?

And I've got some nice land in South Florida to sell you.

This isn't about me trying to put adult entertainment in a bad light. This is about me pointing out that this was a couple who likely was living beyond their means without a safety net. I don't feel sorry for them after the fact, even though I do feel the event was an unfortunate accident. He should have known the risks...and known that their entire financial situation was riding on it. He decided to keep rolling the dice.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Let's review. First you were bitching because he was doing million dollars on his house. Proven wrong.

Not really. What was posted in this thread stated quite clearly that that millions were done in renovations. I guess it is my bad that whoever wrote that story didn't have a clue. I'm not an investigative journalist...I'm not required to sit here and do an hour of research before I type something.

Now you switch to a dangerous job argument. Nice, you are blaming the victim. Classy move.

I didn't blame the victim. I'm pointing out that he should have been well aware of the risks of working as a bouncer/manager at a strip club. It isn't quite the same as being a secretary for a legal firm. Is there fault in that statement?

Now, you are saying he shoulda done better in the real estate market.

No I'm not. It is clear that he DID do well in the real estate market, which is why the couple moved into their dream house. My point is that this "second job" which you seem to believe was something done out of necessity was really something that this guy enjoyed. He WANTED to work at the strip club. He LIKED it. It was bringing him a lot of coin, I suppose...but I seriously doubt he worked there because he HAD to. You don't get a gig as a bouncer or manager at an "upscale" strip club because you have to...you work your way up to that.

You are letting yourself get pulled into some sob story. I've always maintained that this was unfortunate...and it is in no way this guy's fault he got shot. That is entirely on whoever pulled the trigger...and probably secondarily on Pacman Jones.

Perhaps he is now overextened on his mortage...or most likely quite a bit of his money has been spent on medical bills.

I don't doubt the medical bills...but I doubt the financial crisis that caused him to work a "second job", as you suggest, prior to his being shot.

There was no crisis...this wasn't a case of this couple being hard on their luck. They had plenty of cash flow, but probably were also living well outside their means. Again...well and good, until something bad happens. We all have to prepare for the unexpected. If you take the risk of living high on the hog with no safety net, I'm not going to sit here and boo-hoo for you when life yanks on your chain.

Under your logic, any legal or illegal alien that moves to this country is at fault if they are ever shot. Clearly they knew that the U.S. is a violent country in which guns are routinely carried by private citizens...legally or illegally.

Or those who toil and convenience stores or liquor stores clearly know that they get robbed so they are to blame for their deaths should they get shot.

And, anyone who attends a school who gets shot is at fault. They should know that schools have been involved in shootings, both at the college and high school level. Homeschooling is the only solution.

Way to twist everything, Ty. You clearly feel this couple was somehow barely eeking by prior to this incident...so much so that this guy needed to work extra jobs to help put his wife through school. I'll bet he drove a 1979 Datsun too...all rusted out. I bet their dream home was a beat up trailer.

Most bouncers/mangers at "upscale" strip clubs in Vegas probably earn under the pverty level, don't you think?

And I've got some nice land in South Florida to sell you.

This isn't about me trying to put adult entertainment in a bad light. This is about me pointing out that this was a couple who likely was living beyond their means without a safety net. I don't feel sorry for them after the fact, even though I do feel the event was an unfortunate accident. He should have known the risks...and known that their entire financial situation was riding on it. He decided to keep rolling the dice.

Again with the assumptions.

1. I clearly poined out that the quote wasn't there. Anything that has the word WORDPRESS should be understood by any savvy internet user that it is a blog.

2. Risks. Please show any factual evidence that working at a strip club is more dangerous than most other jobs. I'm willing to bet the incidence of violence is less. Why? Because they are already under intense scrutiny. More importanly, localize it to vegas.

3. Enjoyed. How so? And, where is your proof. Guys that like working in strip clubs don't work the morning shift..that is when the ugliest girls work and is the most undesirable shift.

4. Clearly, it states that he worked there as a second job to pay for his wife's education. What part of that don't you understand. He was going to work at 4-5 in the morning. How stupid would he be not to take a pt job that he had experience in...working in clubs.

5. Your reading comprehension needs work. I never suggested a financial cirsis caused him to work a second job. I said that a financial crisis is NOW after huge medical bills, unable to work, and since his wife is in law school she can't work..and now has LOANS.

6. Outside their means? Again, more conjecture. You don't know about that. One catastrophe and most people are outside their means. Perhaps you need a basic lesson in american spending habits, mortgages and credit cards. But, again, that isn't relevant. They didn't do anything wrong.

The fact is that they moved to Vegas in 98...it wasn't like they've been riding a huge real estate boom.

7. No one is asking you to cry for them. But, to be callous and ridiculous is also not expected.

8. NO, i don't think they were eeking by. But, i do think that whatever cash they had was eaten up by major medical bills. And, considering that that he was the only one working..don't you think that their income was less..thus a second job. As a pt job..let's give him 30K, but factor in a slow vegas maket. OH, and let's just take the most relevant part...HE WAS THERE ONLY TWO WEEKS BEFORE GETTING SHOT.
And, if you have to deal with workman's comp you would know that you have to fight for what you get.

"Urbanski's attorney Matthew Dushoff says the final tab will be millions of dollars. A motorized wheelchair costs $13,000. A van will cost $71,000. Home renovations will cost a bundle. Worker's compensation is supposed to pick up the medical bills, but Kathy fears the insurer is trying to shortchange her husband. "We've had to hire lawyers because workers' comp is definitely not on our side," she says. "

Here is quote from him...tell me he sounds like a shady guy.

"If I can ride a motorcycle again, if I can play the guitar again, if I can play golf with my dad again, that would be everything," Urbanski says. "That's all I need. That and Kathy. If I have my best friend by my side, I know we'll have a wonderful life together."

"For the rest of my life, I'll have to worry about things like skin sores and bladder infections. But I have Kathy," he says, squeezing her hand. "As long as we're together, I have a reason to get out of bed in the morning."