Packers keeping their options open for draft

[Bretsky]

I look forward to our next Super Bowl title; if that falls under TT then McGinn's tune will change in how often he questions moves.

He praises Wolf too often; fair or not once once a GM brings a championship to Green Bay he gets to be on that pedastal.

[RashanGary]

I look forward to our next Super Bowl title; if that falls under TT then McGinn's tune will change in how often he questions moves.

He praises Wolf too often; fair or not once once a GM brings a championship to Green Bay he gets to be on that pedastal.

Wolf brought one championship in his entire career (20 years or whatever it was). And that's not the point. If you want to praise Wolf for recognizing the talent of Favre and White, great. The problem with McGinn and you sometimes, B, is that you guys take the success and attribute everything Wolf did to being great and right. IN this case, McGinn played the Wolf card, siting Wolf's tendencies, implying that him trading up was the right thing to do. Everyone immediatly read Wolf - trade up then they jumped to the conlusion; tradeup - championship when if you look at the acctual reality, trade ups they weren't a big part of the championship at all.

When I read that shit, it bothers me becuase it twists and skews what is good and right based on something that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

[Bretsky]

I look forward to our next Super Bowl title; if that falls under TT then McGinn's tune will change in how often he questions moves.

He praises Wolf too often; fair or not once once a GM brings a championship to Green Bay he gets to be on that pedastal.

Wolf brought one championship in his entire career (20 years or whatever it was). And that's not the point. If you want to praise Wolf for recognizing the talent of Favre and White, great. The problem with McGinn and you sometimes, B, is that you guys take the success and attribute everything Wolf did to being great and right. IN this case, McGinn played the Wolf card, siting Wolf's tendencies, implying that him trading up was the right thing to do. Everyone immediatly read Wolf - trade up then they jumped to the conlusion; tradeup - championship when if you look at the acctual reality, trade ups they weren't a big part of the championship at all.

When I read that shit, it bothers me becuase it twists and skews what is good and right based on something that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Wolf brought the only championship Green Bay has had in over 40 years.

Wolf took a lot of chances via free agency and moving up in the draft; some worked and some didn't. Sometimes taking chances pays off and sometimes they do not.

But for me he still sits on hallowed ground because he brought us a championship. And I'm the first one to hope that TT will sit on that same ground some day soon as well

[RashanGary]

Patriots
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Buccaneers
Ravens
Colts
Broncos
Giants


The consistant is talent evaluation. If you take a great player, you have a great player no matter how it happened. Trading up is harder and harder to do and Wolf didn't "win now" because of his draft approach. Reggie White was the first and last time a team let a superstar go in UFA. Trades like Brett Favre are rare.

Wolf made some great, aggressive moves, but he never made those great ones in the draft and that was where McGinn was implying it was best to move up and be aggressive. That's where he's implying that Thompson isn't trying to win now.

If anything, Thompson is doing it more like the recent examples of success. Wolf's was the exception. So sayinig Thompson doesn't want to win now is like saying the Colts don't want to win now is like saying the Steelers don't want to win now. It's garbage.

[packrulz]

I love very specific, definite articles like this one. Eh. He may trade up if there's someone he likes (but he doesn't see much reason to with a deep draft, or he could draft in his original spot, but don't rule out trading down.

btw, Brando, you're not supposed to post the story, just the link, so JSO doesn't twist up their panties again.

Sorry about that Ziggy. Does that go for JSO only or everything else?

I don't get it, as long as you list the source of the article, that is posted free on the web, then JSO or any other source has no right to object. If it's an article from a paid subscription like Packer Insider then they may have a valid reason to object.

[hoosier]

It's not about fair. It's about accuracy. Thompson never said or hinted to not wanting to win now. McGinn writes about Thompson not being enthusiastic about the win-now approach after Thompson just said he shoots for the title every year. How is that not enthusiastic about winning now.

I don't think McGinn was trying to say that TT doesn't want to win now. What kind of moron would he have to be to say that? By saying TT doesn't embrace the "win-now approach" he's just saying TT isn't willing to sacrifice the future--the development of his own players, renewal of depth, and a sound salary cap structure--in order to bring in flashy free agents every year.

At worst McGinn is guilty of choosing a misnomer, since recent history suggests that the "win now" approach fails (see Danny Snyder) as often as it succeeds. And that, IMO, is the real benefit of having Thompson as GM: he realizes that "win now" vs "win later" is a false choice.

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[quote="JustinHarrell"]Patriots
Steelers
Buccaneers
Ravens
Colts
Broncos
Giants


The consistant is talent evaluation. If you take a great player, you have a great player no matter how it happened. Trading up is harder and harder to do and Wolf didn't "win now" because of his draft approach. Reggie White was the first and last time a team let a superstar go in UFA.[quote]

Drew Brees, TO, Randy Moss, etc.

The Broncos and Patriots play for today for more than anyone. This list sucks.

Wolf made some great, aggressive moves, but he never made those great ones in the draft and that was where McGinn was implying it was best to move up and be aggressive. That's where he's implying that Thompson isn't trying to win now.

He moved up to get Vonnie Holliday, and he traded a #1 for Favre.

[twoseven]

Wolf also traded a pick for Keith Jackson.

[woodbuck27]

I love very specific, definite articles like this one. Eh. He may trade up if there's someone he likes (but he doesn't see much reason to with a deep draft, or he could draft in his original spot, but don't rule out trading down.

btw, Brando, you're not supposed to post the story, just the link, so JSO doesn't twist up their panties again.

just the link

I'm confused mj.

I thought that was all he did was post the link but evidently I'm wrong.

How should Brando have posted this thread exactly mj?

[MJZiggy]

I love very specific, definite articles like this one. Eh. He may trade up if there's someone he likes (but he doesn't see much reason to with a deep draft, or he could draft in his original spot, but don't rule out trading down.

btw, Brando, you're not supposed to post the story, just the link, so JSO doesn't twist up their panties again.

just the link

I'm confused mj.

I thought that was all he did was post the link but evidently I'm wrong.

How should Brando have posted this thread exactly mj?

He has it correct now. He edited his post to remove the contents of the article.