2010 end of salary cap???

[swede]

Well okay.

I think I'm agreeing with you if we are both thinking that first, and obviously, Green Bay is poorly set up to be a big player in a salary cap-less NFL.

And, yes, there are some owners with deep resources and enough brains to counteract their egos and perhaps make trouble for the rest of the league without a cap in place.

As far as the Giants I am a momentary big fan because they played their hearts out in the last two games of their season. I respect the way they played not just with each other--but FOR each other.

[The Leaper]

I think I'm agreeing with you if we are both thinking that first, and obviously, Green Bay is poorly set up to be a big player in a salary cap-less NFL.

I disagree.

While Green Bay does not have an owner with deep pockets to spend money, Green Bay does have one of the largest fan bases around. Green Bay could easily compete with New York and Dallas by simply raising ticket prices to what people already usually pay to attend Packer games...and eliminate the ridiculous profit season ticket owners grab. If the Packers took in $300 a seat, that is $170M a year in revenue right there...nearly TWICE the stake Green Bay receives from the current TV agreement.

Don't tell me that you couldn't find 70,000 Packer fans willing to pay $300 a seat for season tickets. That is the problem with other small markets...they don't have a famed stadium like Lambeau, and they don't have a 60+ year waiting list for season tickets.

I agree that most small market teams would be in deep trouble if there was no cap. Green Bay is not one of them. They would have to aggressively change their policies to survive...and season ticket holders would have to enjoy the games rather than $2000 a year in scalping profits...but Green Bay could survive.

Ultimately, if TV revenues DID fall, the Packers would be one of the few teams who could establish their own TV contract and demand top dollar...because Green Bay possibly draws more TV viewership than any other NFL franchise.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

How is Coughline a joke of a coach.

If by winning at every stop on his resume that is considered a joke, then i'm all in favor of more jokes.

[twoseven]

I think I'm agreeing with you if we are both thinking that first, and obviously, Green Bay is poorly set up to be a big player in a salary cap-less NFL.

I disagree.

While Green Bay does not have an owner with deep pockets to spend money, Green Bay does have one of the largest fan bases around. Green Bay could easily compete with New York and Dallas by simply raising ticket prices to what people already usually pay to attend Packer games...and eliminate the ridiculous profit season ticket owners grab. If the Packers took in $300 a seat, that is $170M a year in revenue right there...nearly TWICE the stake Green Bay receives from the current TV agreement.

Don't tell me that you couldn't find 70,000 Packer fans willing to pay $300 a seat for season tickets. That is the problem with other small markets...they don't have a famed stadium like Lambeau, and they don't have a 60+ year waiting list for season tickets.

I agree that most small market teams would be in deep trouble if there was no cap. Green Bay is not one of them. They would have to aggressively change their policies to survive...and season ticket holders would have to enjoy the games rather than $2000 a year in scalping profits...but Green Bay could survive.

Ultimately, if TV revenues DID fall, the Packers would be one of the few teams who could establish their own TV contract and demand top dollar...because Green Bay possibly draws more TV viewership than any other NFL franchise.

I remember a few years back when the CBA was on the rocks and the salary cap looked to go away. They posted a list of the teams that generated the most money and GB was in the upper end of the group. They may be located in a small market but they do not generate small revenue.

[twoseven]

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Revenue.html

..looks like we were at 14th in 2007 in revenue generated.

Not sure if Forbes' figures are completely cut and dry or if there are other dollars and incomes not accounted for, not sure about revenue sharing figures, but they at least point the way to who's bringing in the most and the least money.

Vikings at the bottom of the list.

[The Leaper]

..looks like we were at 14th in 2007 in revenue generated.

Green Bay could be much higher than that. Their ticket prices remain fairly low...considering the actual cost tickets go for on the scalper's market. Places like Washington, New England and Dallas already charge considerably more per ticket than Green Bay does...which is why they pull in more revenue.

Green Bay certainly isn't hurting for cash...they have been highly profitable the last 15 years. If they were forced to be more aggressive with their revenue stream, they would be. However, since there is no greedy owner looking to line his/her pockets, the franchise is fine with not pilfering every last dollar they can.

[Patler]

The problem the Packers would have is that they have only the money they earn to spend. They do not have an owner who can funnel his personal wealth or other business interest profits into the team if needed..

[the_idle_threat]

I think I'm agreeing with you if we are both thinking that first, and obviously, Green Bay is poorly set up to be a big player in a salary cap-less NFL.

I disagree.

While Green Bay does not have an owner with deep pockets to spend money, Green Bay does have one of the largest fan bases around. Green Bay could easily compete with New York and Dallas by simply raising ticket prices to what people already usually pay to attend Packer games...and eliminate the ridiculous profit season ticket owners grab. If the Packers took in $300 a seat, that is $170M a year in revenue right there...nearly TWICE the stake Green Bay receives from the current TV agreement.

Don't tell me that you couldn't find 70,000 Packer fans willing to pay $300 a seat for season tickets. That is the problem with other small markets...they don't have a famed stadium like Lambeau, and they don't have a 60+ year waiting list for season tickets.

I agree that most small market teams would be in deep trouble if there was no cap. Green Bay is not one of them. They would have to aggressively change their policies to survive...and season ticket holders would have to enjoy the games rather than $2000 a year in scalping profits...but Green Bay could survive.

Ultimately, if TV revenues DID fall, the Packers would be one of the few teams who could establish their own TV contract and demand top dollar...because Green Bay possibly draws more TV viewership than any other NFL franchise.

Do you remember how much difficulty Bob Harlan had in getting Brown County voters to pay for the stadium renovations about 10 years ago? What do you think the chances would be of getting any further public help the next time if they effectively price the locals out of seeing games?

[The Leaper]

Do you remember how much difficulty Bob Harlan had in getting Brown County voters to pay for the stadium renovations about 10 years ago? What do you think the chances would be of getting any further public help the next time if they effectively price the locals out of seeing games?

People hate taxes being raised. The two items are entirely different things.

When it comes to paying to see Packer games, people fork out $250+ per ticket with no qualms...and currently, the season ticket holders are the ones who see most of the profit.