Harrell Must be a Pro Bowler

[RashanGary]

It's going to set him back, no question, but I don't think it will be a situation where he's as bad as Harrell last year. Jolly is further along in his technique and in all of his strength training. The only similarity is the arm, but Jolly has way more going for him than Harrell had last year IMO.

[Partial]

I think Jolly will be OK. Part of Harrell's problem is that he was a 22 year old kid who was asked to go toe to toe with some of the strongest men in the world who also happen to be perfectionists in their technique and leverage.

Jolly is entering his physical prime. He's had a couple years to work on his technique. Harrell was at the bottom of the strength latter and the lurning curve on top of the injury.


I do think Jolly is going to have to work his butt off rehabbing that shoulder but I think he'll be fine. His legs and core should be strong. His upper body will catch up over the course of TC.

Actually, Harrell was known for his strength. And Jolly has had one more year than him. Not exactly a huge amount of time. You're a fool if you think you can get an effective workout with out an arm. Clearly, you've never spent time doing squats and deads before.

[Guiness]

Kind of like Teabag on Prison Break!!!

[Merlin]

Williams and Harrell aren't comparable as many have said. My largest concern with losing Williams is the inconsistent play of Cole and Jolly's injury. I wouldn't be shocked if the Packers have someone in mind to bring in for less money.

[the_idle_threat]

I do think Jolly is going to have to work his butt off rehabbing that shoulder but I think he'll be fine. His legs and core should be strong. His upper body will catch up over the course of TC.

You're a fool if you think you can get an effective workout with out an arm. Clearly, you've never spent time doing squats and deads before.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

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[MJZiggy]

Williams and Harrell aren't comparable as many have said. My largest concern with losing Williams is the inconsistent play of Cole and Jolly's injury. I wouldn't be shocked if the Packers have someone in mind to bring in for less money.

If there were anyone on their level to bring in, we wouldn't have gotten the trade and Williams' asking price wouldn't have been so high. It's not like Williams is the best player at his position. He simply hit free agency at a young age and when there was a lack of defensive linemen available.

[Patler]

Williams and Harrell aren't comparable as many have said. My largest concern with losing Williams is the inconsistent play of Cole and Jolly's injury. I wouldn't be shocked if the Packers have someone in mind to bring in for less money.

If there were anyone on their level to bring in, we wouldn't have gotten the trade and Williams' asking price wouldn't have been so high. It's not like Williams is the best player at his position. He simply hit free agency at a young age and when there was a lack of defensive linemen available.

We can always hope that TT sees something in someone that many others overlook. Pickett is a good example. While some teams were interested in him, he was not vigorously pursued, and the Packers got him at a reasonable price. He was mired in a line of high draft pick underachievers at St. Louis and many lumped him in with the others, in spite of good statistics.

[Fritz]

Williams made the most of his opportunity, but my sense is that TT just didn't see him as a six million dollar a year player. Good, but not worth that kind of cash. So he got what he could, which is a lot, I think.

Two second rounders now, in a deep draft. I like it. I only cringe to think of all the writers and posters who will clamore for TT to trade it all away so he can move up to the top ten or something...

I'd rather see TT trade down out of the first round, if he's going to do anything.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I'd rather see TT trade down out of the first round, if he's going to do anything.

Me to. I would never want to put my whole draft on just one pick. Also, people think that we don't have many needs, but I still see a lot of holes that need filling. We need two CB's for the future, one TE, one OG, one T for the future, one DE, one DT (depth), and one OLB.

[Brohm]

I could see TT trading out of the first (#30) and picking up another 2 + a second day pick. Then maybe trading a 2 for a 3 + 4/5. I think we'll have ~10 draftees again :P

Think about it...Kampman, Jolly, Williams, KGB...where all 5-6 rounders

[Carolina_Packer]

Williams and Harrell aren't comparable as many have said. My largest concern with losing Williams is the inconsistent play of Cole and Jolly's injury. I wouldn't be shocked if the Packers have someone in mind to bring in for less money.

That's what I was thinking too. They now need another person for depth, even though they have Harrell. If they had to field a D-line today (and assuming all players were healthy enough to go) it would be:

Starters
DE Kampman
DT Jolly
DT Pickett
DE Jenkins

Backups
DE KGB, Montgomery
DT Harrell, Bolton
DT Cole, Muir, Malone
DE Hunter

3rd Down
DE Kampman
DL Jenkins
DL Pickett or Harrell
DE KGB

That's not too shabby, IMO. Another DE for depth and development would be killer.

[Patler]

If they had to field a D-line today (and assuming all players were healthy enough to go) it would be:

...
3rd Down
DE Kampman
DL Jenkins
DL Pickett or Harrell
DE KGB

That part bothers me a little.
In a clear passing situation, it won't be Pickett, and Harrell didn't show much last year. Jolly at least showed awareness of passing lanes and blocked a few passes. He might be the better 3rd down choice, unless Harrell shows something.

[Fritz]

One of the arguments for moving up is that you are more likely to get a player who is NFL-ready. But at what position do the Packers "need" someone who can step in and start immediately?

Guard, maybe? And of all the positions that are most difficult to step into immediately, isn't guard one of the most difficult?

I don't see the need to move up, unless TT and the scouting department are convinced that some guy sitting around #17 or so is a superstar-in-waiting.

I'm hoping TT will take advantage of the depth of the draft, and pick up some guys in the second round and beyond who can develop into excellent players.This team has the luxury of allowing young players to develop now. There is no need to panic and move up, or sign a high-priced free agent just because.

Last year we all almored for Marshawn Lynch, who of course went at #12, I think, to the Bills. Was Lynch demonstrably better than Ryan Grant, who was worth a sixth round pick?

[Patler]

There is no reason not to expect Harrell, Muir and even Jolly to be better players than they were last year. Unfortunately, there is no assurance that they will. The same can be said for the half-dozen guard candidates on the team

[Scott Campbell]

Last year we all almored for Marshawn Lynch, who of course went at #12, I think, to the Bills. Was Lynch demonstrably better than Ryan Grant, who was worth a sixth round pick?

No, he was not.


Wait, was that a rhetorical question?