Time for TT to hit a blue chipper

[Partial]

And without him we don't have anything but a borderline team. You owe that guy to go get somebody that can give us a chance to win!!

Now you're reminding me of Adolf Partler playing of peoples fears and emotions. It works though. I can't say I've never been guilty of using the emotion of the public to rally support. Bravo!!

Ummm that is kind of sadistic and no one is playing "fear" at all. Take a good hard look at this team, the schedule they face, etc. and can you honestly go in expecting more than 9 wins A-Rod and Nall as the quarterbacks?

[MJZiggy]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

[Partial]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

Retract my statements about going for Broke and hope that we hit on a super stud with the first three picks.

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

[MJZiggy]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I no longer believe that.

[Partial]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I no longer believe that.

I think Rodgers has the skills and shown that he can be alright, but he has not ever won a game, he hasn't stayed healthy for an entire game, etc. He has the P word but that isn't a sure thing.

Remember, without a strong passing game the running game was abysmal. 2.5 ypc-ish. Will Rodgers be able to provide as good of a passing game as Favre? Highly doubtful. Let's not forget that Favre has one of the best arms in NFL history. That's why he was 2nd in the MVP after 17 seasons.

[twoseven]

Maybe we can just all agree on everything like a bunch of sheep. One guy/gal can post something, then the rest of us can post 'I agree.' That sounds fun.

I take exception to this and so should a lot of people here.

Ok, sure. If you or anyone else want to 'take exception' with a post that DOES NOT have your name on it and DOES NOT point a finger at you, a post that simply remeinds everyone that deabte is healthy and also impossible without disagreement, by all means you go ahead and be offended Justin.

[RashanGary]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I'm very interested to see how this team does when he retires. I like to see the Packers win. I esspecially want to see them win now because it's sort of personal for me. I really believe in the way Ted Thompson goes about his buisness, so him seeing him succeed validates some of the things I believe in. But if he fails and the whole thing falls apart, I'm open to accepting that a lot of my ideas are wrong and either just accpeting I don't know or finding some new theories to test. Bottom line, if they win or lose, I could care less except to test my ideas and I have an ego so I have some stake in validating them too. Right now the idea I have is that opportunistic, value driven decisions backed by good talent evaluation and the wisdom to resist human weakness like desperation lead to good things. After Favre retires I really get to see that in action so I"m kind of looking forward to it. Win, lose or indifferent we're going to learn something and I look forward to that.

[BallHawk]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I no longer believe that.

I think Rodgers has the skills and shown that he can be alright, but he has not ever won a game, he hasn't stayed healthy for an entire game, etc. He has the P word but that isn't a sure thing.

Remember, without a strong passing game the running game was abysmal. 2.5 ypc-ish.

Let's wait until we go through a full season with an established RB until we make verdicts about the running game.

We saw against Dallas that A-Rod has the ability to manage the game and give this team a chance to win games. He's not going to give you the magic that Favre can bring (MNF in Denver is a great example) but then again he's not going to give you the "chuck 'em up" INTs that Favre throws (albeit they became fewer in number last year)

I'm not making the arguement that A-Rod is on the level that Favre is, but to say that we don't have a chance without Favre is foolish. Believe me, if A-Rod is the QB next season, we will win the division, and we will have a legit chance of making the SB.

[RashanGary]

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Ok, sure. If you or anyone else want to 'take exception' with a post that DOES NOT have your name on it and DOES NOT point a finger at you, a post that simply remeinds everyone that deabte is healthy and also impossible without disagreement, by all means you go ahead and be offended Justin.

You must have a lot of happiness in your life

Hahaha, It's all in fun man. I love debate so I felt a little insulted because I was one of the ones leading the antipartial charge and you were defending it in a way that us who disagreed with him were tring to snub out his opinion. Maybe I read it wrong, but I try not to do that so I took offense.

[Partial]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I'm very interested to see how this team does when he retires. I like to see the Packers win. I esspecially want to see them win now because it's sort of personal for me. I really believe in the way Ted Thompson goes about his buisness, so him seeing him succeed validates some of the things I believe in. But if he fails and the whole thing falls apart, I'm open to accepting that a lot of my ideas are wrong and either just accpeting I don't know or finding some new theories to test. Bottom line, if they win or lose, I could care less except to test my ideas and I have an ego so I have some stake in validating them too. Right now the idea I have is that opportunistic, value driven decisions backed by good talent evaluation and the wisdom to resist human weakness like desperation lead to good things. After Favre retires I really get to see that in action so I"m kind of looking forward to it. Win, lose or indifferent we're going to learn something and I look forward to that.

I'm not going to go find the post where you said it, but to call Phil Savage a bad GM is foolish. He is known throughout NFL circles as one of the best in the biz at drafting. He was the architect behind those Baltimore teams.

[Bretsky]

I will say Partial was right last year with his call and he took criticism for singling out Adrian Peterson as the guy worth moving up for. Maybe he'll be right again this year.

For one guy it might have worked. Adrian Peterson. That's yet to be determined. But remember that the knock on Peterson was that he was injury prone, and nothing that happened in year one says that won't be a problem. He got hurt again. He runs violently, so it's a possibility he'll continue to get injured. Also, if we have Peterson, we probably don't have Justin Harrell... wait... Justin Harrell, James Jones (probably would have had to trade that pick), and Ryan Grant (probably don't trade for him).

BTW, you're a damn good Wii bowler.

I still don't own Wiii; I've been discussing it with the other half for a while trying to shift it to being her idea that we should do this for the kids. Then after getting it I'll have to get intoxicated and do some Wiii Bowling practice in case we have a rematch

[MJZiggy]

We just got a wii. They're still really hard to get. But maybe this year I'll take you on...

[Bretsky]

I want to win now with Favre. Obviously, you can't do that long term.

Perhaps you need to read the article on the homepage and tuck a copy under your pillow tonight just to be sure the idea sinks in...

I don't understand what this means; when I read the article the focus I get out of it is nobdy believes Favre will retire and there would be great disappointment if he does.

I see a couple "maybe we'll be OK if he does" suggestions, but if that was suppose to be the focus point I bet several, including myself, would not agree with that point

[b bulldog]

We have a Wii and I really only like to play the WW2 type games and they are really hard to play on it. This is the first game system I've ever owned.

[Bretsky]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

If Favre retires next week we aren't going to the Super Bowl next year; I'd think TT would want to bring in another QB to compete and continue to stock the pot as he has in the past. Maybe even bring in another 11 draft picks and if he goes for a free agent focus on the less established longer term guy who is not as good now but may develop in the next few years.