Oh Boy, Packers & the Police

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Maybe even if the gun was legal. But the one he had wasnt and that sets off the warning light. What did he do to these guys if he felt he needed a gat to protect himself from them? Usually stolen guns are bought with the idea that your gonna blast someone and throw it away.

Where do you get the idea the gun wasn't legal? From what I read in the papers down there, it seemed that he was charged with a misdemeanor for unlawful discharge of a weapon (shooting into the air in the city), and there is a possible charge for it being concealed. Apparently in Texas, a permit is not needed as long as the weapon is in the open and visible. Since it may have been in the seat pocket of the car it may have violated that law. Sitting on the seat, it would be legal.

I haven't heard anything about it being stolen, or anything like that at all.

from what i saw, i looked up texas gun laws. the only laws are that you need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, like you said. and you have to be 18. and thats pretty much it

i lived down just off the boarder of texas 15 years ago, and everyone had a gun, it was nuts

check this site out, i'm not sure how credible it is. but it talks about the gun laws in texas and explains them

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=tx

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe even if the gun was legal. But the one he had wasnt and that sets off the warning light. What did he do to these guys if he felt he needed a gat to protect himself from them? Usually stolen guns are bought with the idea that your gonna blast someone and throw it away.

Where do you get the idea the gun wasn't legal? From what I read in the papers down there, it seemed that he was charged with a misdemeanor for unlawful discharge of a weapon (shooting into the air in the city), and there is a possible charge for it being concealed. Apparently in Texas, a permit is not needed as long as the weapon is in the open and visible. Since it may have been in the seat pocket of the car it may have violated that law. Sitting on the seat, it would be legal.

I haven't heard anything about it being stolen, or anything like that at all.

Maybe I read it wrong then. Here in CA, Rodgers could have been charged with the 10-20-life law. 10 years if you use a gun during a crime. 20 years if you shoot it during a crime, and life if you hit someone with a bullet. Thats even if the gun was yours, if not there are enhancements that will add even more time. Them Tex laws are pretty nice to gun lovers! Maybe I should move.

[GrnBay007]

I think Y'all better start agreeing with TexasPackerBacker's views!!


Wheww....wonder how many guns he owns?

[Patler]

Maybe I read it wrong then. Here in CA, Rodgers could have been charged with the 10-20-life law. 10 years if you use a gun during a crime. 20 years if you shoot it during a crime, and life if you hit someone with a bullet. Thats even if the gun was yours, if not there are enhancements that will add even more time. Them Tex laws are pretty nice to gun lovers! Maybe I should move.

But Rodgers wasn't committing a crime. Your 10-20-life law presupposes that the individual is committing another crime, a crime he could be charged with even if he hadn't had a gun. Rodgers committed no such crime that I have heard of.

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe I read it wrong then. Here in CA, Rodgers could have been charged with the 10-20-life law. 10 years if you use a gun during a crime. 20 years if you shoot it during a crime, and life if you hit someone with a bullet. Thats even if the gun was yours, if not there are enhancements that will add even more time. Them Tex laws are pretty nice to gun lovers! Maybe I should move.

But Rodgers wasn't committing a crime. Your 10-20-life law presupposes that the individual is committing another crime, a crime he could be charged with even if he hadn't had a gun. Rodgers committed no such crime that I have heard of.

Last I heard shooting a gun in public was illegal. But in his case it wouldnt make the law take effect. I just mentioned the law to reflect how serious gun laws are getting not cuz I think it applies to Rodgers situation.

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I think Y'all better start agreeing with TexasPackerBacker's views!!


Wheww....wonder how many guns he owns?

them fightin words

[Rastak]

Maybe I read it wrong then. Here in CA, Rodgers could have been charged with the 10-20-life law. 10 years if you use a gun during a crime. 20 years if you shoot it during a crime, and life if you hit someone with a bullet. Thats even if the gun was yours, if not there are enhancements that will add even more time. Them Tex laws are pretty nice to gun lovers! Maybe I should move.

But Rodgers wasn't committing a crime. Your 10-20-life law presupposes that the individual is committing another crime, a crime he could be charged with even if he hadn't had a gun. Rodgers committed no such crime that I have heard of.

Last I heard shooting a gun in public was illegal. But in his case it wouldnt make the law take effect. I just mentioned the law to reflect how serious gun laws are getting not cuz I think it applies to Rodgers situation.

yea, I read the gun was illegal also. Not sure if this was 100% reported properly. Also, if the boyz grab some pool cues, you grab one too, you don't pull out your piece. Because one of them might retaliate with one in your chest instead of in the air. I live near a bar that is frequented by gang members. There's been about 10 murders in the area over 15 years or so...hasn't been as bad the last couple. I NEVER go there but am savy enough to know when you pull weapons MOST of the time BAD BAD things happen. Good thing that wasn't the case here.

[MadtownPacker]

yea, I read the gun was illegal also. Not sure if this was 100% reported properly. Also, if the boyz grab some pool cues, you grab one too, you don't pull out your piece. Because one of them might retaliate with one in your chest instead of in the air. I live near a bar that is frequented by gang members. There's been about 10 murders in the area over 15 years or so...hasn't been as bad the last couple. I NEVER go there but am savy enough to know when you pull weapons MOST of the time BAD BAD things happen. Good thing that wasn't the case here.

10 in 15 years? Man that aint bad at all. Especially if most where viking fans! But your right, no need to unleash the steel unless you are really in a jam.

Now if I was strapped at this viking bar you mention......

[Rastak]

yea, I read the gun was illegal also. Not sure if this was 100% reported properly. Also, if the boyz grab some pool cues, you grab one too, you don't pull out your piece. Because one of them might retaliate with one in your chest instead of in the air. I live near a bar that is frequented by gang members. There's been about 10 murders in the area over 15 years or so...hasn't been as bad the last couple. I NEVER go there but am savy enough to know when you pull weapons MOST of the time BAD BAD things happen. Good thing that wasn't the case here.

10 in 15 years? Man that aint bad at all. Especially if most where viking fans! But your right, no need to unleash the steel unless you are really in a jam.

Now if I was strapped at this viking bar you mention......

Yea, I know, it ain't exactly LA or Chicago.....

[the_idle_threat]

A young black man fires a gun in the air when attacked by gang members. He must be a gang-banger and a thug. Couldn't be self-defense, could it?

The assumptions being made here say a lot more about the posters than about Cory Rodgers.

Welcome Idle.

Why pull a gun? Did the "gang members" he was bumping heads with pull a gun? Why was he carrying a hot pistol? I know a lil something about gangs and while I have no proof I have a bad feeling about this one. Had it been legally owned was one thing but the pistol he had could have been used in a murder. Why carrying it?

Thanks for the welcome, Mad. Most of your response has been addressed by other posters by now, but I would add these points to address issues raised by you and/or by others:

- I have seen no indication in any medium that the gun was illegal. It may have been used illegally (carried concealed w/o a permit and discharged within city limits), but it was not a "hot" weapon.

- Both violations were minor. The first was simply the lack of a concealed carry permit, which in Texas is like lacking a fishing license. The second was a violation of a municipal ordinance, just like discharging certain fireworks or having a campfire at the park where it is prohibited. Most cities have an ordinance prohibiting discharge of a weapon within city limits, and they are invoked on a case-by-case basis depending upon whether or not the shots were found to be fired for self defense.
If the police cannot determine whether or not the gun was being carried illegally (concealed w/o permit ... as opposed to retreived from a vehicle where it may haver been kept legally even w/o a permit) and if they determine that the shots in the air were fired for self-defense, then there may be no charges brought at all.

- I don't buy the arguments some are making that he is a thug because he had a gun. I think a thug would have shot at the gangbangers---this guy simply fired a couple rounds into the air to scare away assailants. Sounds like the kind of thing I would have done if faced with gang members making aggressive demands on my time and money, wielding pool cues and who knows what else, and following me outside.

[the_idle_threat]

check this site out, i'm not sure how credible it is. but it talks about the gun laws in texas and explains them

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...tate.php?st=tx

The brady campaign is rabidly anti-gun. The majority of these "common (non)sense" laws don't exist in Texas, just as they say, but also don't exist in most other states, aside from CA and MA.

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check this site out, i'm not sure how credible it is. but it talks about the gun laws in texas and explains them

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...tate.php?st=tx

The brady campaign is rabidly anti-gun. The majority of these "common (non)sense" laws don't exist in Texas, just as they say, but also don't exist in most other states, aside from CA and MA.

thats what i figured, i just punched in texas gun laws and that was the first site. and it helped prove that point that it doesn't take much to legally have a gun in texas

[Guiness]

- I don't buy the arguments some are making that he is a thug because he had a gun. I think a thug would have shot at the gangbangers---this guy simply fired a couple rounds into the air to scare away assailants. Sounds like the kind of thing I would have done if faced with gang members making aggressive demands on my time and money, wielding pool cues and who knows what else, and following me outside.

I hear ya, but I think he's damn lucky things went down as they did. If they were gang members, he's lucky someone (or someones!) didn't pull a piece to match his. Then things would've gotten fugly.

As mentioned above, there could've been returned fire, with one ending up in his chest. By pulling the gun, he raised the stakes tremendously.

Having said all that, with a bit of liquid courage, and some adrenaline, who knows how any of us would react. I guess this is why pro athletes and movie stars travel with a 'posse'. They need that shield to keep things like this from happening.

[Rastak]

A young black man fires a gun in the air when attacked by gang members. He must be a gang-banger and a thug. Couldn't be self-defense, could it?

The assumptions being made here say a lot more about the posters than about Cory Rodgers.

Welcome Idle.

Why pull a gun? Did the "gang members" he was bumping heads with pull a gun? Why was he carrying a hot pistol? I know a lil something about gangs and while I have no proof I have a bad feeling about this one. Had it been legally owned was one thing but the pistol he had could have been used in a murder. Why carrying it?

Thanks for the welcome, Mad. Most of your response has been addressed by other posters by now, but I would add these points to address issues raised by you and/or by others:

- I have seen no indication in any medium that the gun was illegal. It may have been used illegally (carried concealed w/o a permit and discharged within city limits), but it was not a "hot" weapon.

- Both violations were minor. The first was simply the lack of a concealed carry permit, which in Texas is like lacking a fishing license. The second was a violation of a municipal ordinance, just like discharging certain fireworks or having a campfire at the park where it is prohibited. Most cities have an ordinance prohibiting discharge of a weapon within city limits, and they are invoked on a case-by-case basis depending upon whether or not the shots were found to be fired for self defense.
If the police cannot determine whether or not the gun was being carried illegally (concealed w/o permit ... as opposed to retreived from a vehicle where it may haver been kept legally even w/o a permit) and if they determine that the shots in the air were fired for self-defense, then there may be no charges brought at all.

- I don't buy the arguments some are making that he is a thug because he had a gun. I think a thug would have shot at the gangbangers---this guy simply fired a couple rounds into the air to scare away assailants. Sounds like the kind of thing I would have done if faced with gang members making aggressive demands on my time and money, wielding pool cues and who knows what else, and following me outside.

Idle, welcome....what I get from your comments are as follows...
1) Pulling out a loaded pistol and cranking shots into the cieling is like not have a fishing license in Texas....or was it in self defense you can attack the cieiling....

2) When you head down to the corner saloon you pack heat and at sign of trouble are fully prepared to draw like Val Kilmer in Tombstone?

[the_idle_threat]

- I don't buy the arguments some are making that he is a thug because he had a gun. I think a thug would have shot at the gangbangers---this guy simply fired a couple rounds into the air to scare away assailants. Sounds like the kind of thing I would have done if faced with gang members making aggressive demands on my time and money, wielding pool cues and who knows what else, and following me outside.

I hear ya, but I think he's damn lucky things went down as they did. If they were gang members, he's lucky someone (or someones!) didn't pull a piece to match his. Then things would've gotten fugly.

As mentioned above, there could've been returned fire, with one ending up in his chest. By pulling the gun, he raised the stakes tremendously.

Having said all that, with a bit of liquid courage, and some adrenaline, who knows how any of us would react. I guess this is why pro athletes and movie stars travel with a 'posse'. They need that shield to keep things like this from happening.

I agree that things could have been worse and he was lucky it did not turn out that way.